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Journeyman Geek

12:12 AM

@DragonLord They are always flooded actually ;p

They literally keep topping them off.

the mod queue on the other hand is generally empty.

Also, remember what I said about burnout? This is how people get burnt out.

Journeyman Geek

1:19 AM

@Bob tamponade sounds like a Small Spanish Snack

(Autocorrect capitalised small and spanish so....)

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek no, tamponade sounds like.... a drink consisting of water with whatever additives that leach out upon soaking tampon(s) in the water

Journeyman Geek

1:42 AM

eww

sploid.gizmodo.com/…

Bob

1:57 AM

And another "WTF, Java?":

(Note: the second option has a return type of Collection<SVNDirEntry> - but for some reason the compiler won't pick that one automatically based on the type to assign to...)

Pretty sure this is because Java's generics are broken.

Hm. Wait, never mind :P

Tom Wijsman

2:21 AM

@Bob:

Makes me think "null" is neither a handler or a collection.

Other than that, it looks somewhat weird that the property names are missing.

Let alone some actual documentation.

This IDE / library / ... makes it more like a guessing game instead of helping. :)

Michael Frank

2:34 AM

What are the solid performing SSDs at the moment? I need to upgrade my system drive, but not sure what to get...

computerlounge.co.nz/components/…

^ is probably where I'll be buying from

Michael Frank

2:47 AM

I'm thinking maybe 160GB?

Bob

3:09 AM

@TomWijsman Ya, I figured as much. The IDE suggestion threw me off.

@MichaelFrank Bah, too small :P

allquixotic

@MichaelFrank hard to recommend anything other than the Samsung 850 Pro (if you can afford it) or EVO (if you can't)

DragonLord

3:27 AM

I have the 850 PRO, and it is outstanding in every way

Tad pricy, though

Michael Frank

@allquixotic @DragonLord Yea, was thinking about the 850 actually.

128GB should be enough as well. It'll only be for OS + certain apps. Games are on the other SSD and my libraries are on a regular HDD.

Journeyman Geek

3:53 AM

ditto. 840s arn't half bad if you don't mind older ones

Journeyman Geek

4:09 AM

(but I'm planning on upgrading to a 850 pro, and dropping the regular 840 down to my laptop)

Bob

5:32 AM

@allquixotic Yay, now I get to dig into Pascal code!

... ... ... :S

I wonder what's next. COBOL? AGL? FORTRAN?

Journeyman Geek

5:57 AM

Probably

Isn't there a more modern pascal varient?

allquixotic

6:18 AM

@Bob yuck!

Bob

@JourneymanGeek There's a couple.

This particular one is technically Delphi, I guess (based on Pascal).

@allquixotic I seem to be going back in time here :P

Journeyman Geek

Delphi is nearly modern!

^^ ~2 more weeks to my first proper paycheck

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Still makes my eyes bleed.

Gah. github.com/jrsoftware/issrc/issues/145

Journeyman Geek

;p

allquixotic

apparently there are still people who hack on serious Delphi applications; unfortunately the only major compiler and toolchain and libs vendor is Borland, and they charge a ton for their products

Journeyman Geek

6:23 AM

@allquixotic IIRC my ffmpeg front end of choice was written in delphi

Bob

@allquixotic InnoSetup is a major one.

And the one I'm currently trying to work with.

Journeyman Geek

Radiostation at work goes from listenable to OOOH to horrid ._.

Bob

...radio station?

>

Larry Osterman - 07-28-2004 2:22 AM

We actually built a version of NT with alignment exceptions turned on for x86 (you can do that as Skywing mentioned).

We quickly turned it off, because of the number of apps that broke :)

Journeyman Geek

oh, there's a internet stream of a local radio station playing ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek But... at work?

You mean on speakers?

Or are you privately playing it on your headphones?

Journeyman Geek

6:27 AM

Ya ;p
On speakers

Bob

o.O

Journeyman Geek

Its background noise really, but I'm here over lunch cause everyone went out, and I had lunch at the little office cafeteria thing

Bob

@JourneymanGeek What time is it?

Oh, 2:30

Journeyman Geek

2.30? ;p

Bob

Three hours ahead here :P

aka hometime

Journeyman Geek

6:30 AM

Lunch is later here cause we start at 10 ;p

and I can also hear the boss' headphones 2 desks away

Bob

o.O

That's a lot of leakage. Or deafness. Or both.

Probably both.

Journeyman Geek

well he left them on his desk, so definately the former

Bob

Ah.

Journeyman Geek

hm I need to edit in the link and rename this http://superuser.com/questions/63790/non-microsoft-windows-update

(just so I can search it when I get home ;p)

Boris_yo

6:50 AM

►

Nice voiceovers...

Journeyman Geek

7:44 AM

woof.
The problem with scaling and big videos is.... that's completely blocked out the tiny bossmoded chat window I have in a corner ;p

XKCD

8:05 AM

"Technically that sentence started with 'well', so--" "Ooh, a rock with a fossil in it!"

HackToHell

11:26 AM

This guy seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/…

Journeyman Geek

11:53 AM

Ugh. Critical thing at work went weird 5 main before our usual time to leave. I'm nearly an hour late to get home

Bob

12:13 PM

o.O

Journeyman Geek

1:14 PM

hmm

Oliver Salzburg

1:26 PM

Okay, someone with more nix knowledge needs to explain something to me. I'm in an experimental VM, so nothing of value will be lost. Out of rage, I quit vim with wq!!!, this resulted in a files named !! being created. How do you delete that file?

Pretty amazing things happen when you interact with it, due to the special meaning of !! in bash :D

HackToHell

ooh gonna try it

Oliver Salzburg

One way is starting a non-bash shell. But that's too easy :P

Journeyman Geek

ugh

Sathya

1:43 PM

@OliverSalzburg rm -- !!?

Oliver Salzburg

@Sathya Nope, that's exactly the scary thing I tried firs ;D

Sathya

hehe

Oliver Salzburg

Luckily, my previous command was l

Bob

@OliverSalzburg You got annoyed enough to interact with it like a human? :P

@OliverSalzburg rm -- '!!'?

rm -- \!\!?

I really need to keep a Linux VM handier.

@OliverSalzburg The quotes should work.

bob@phoebe:~$ echo !!
echo ls
ls
bob@phoebe:~$ echo '!!'
!!

Or rm -- './!!' to be sure.

Make sure you use single quotes!

Oliver Salzburg

2:05 PM

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Q: How do you interact with a file named "!!"?

Out of rage, I quit vim by using :wq!!!. This created a file named !!. Given that !! references the previous command, attempting to interact with it yields interesting results. I tried rm ./!! and rm -- !!. Both would pull in the previous command (as it should). An easy solution is to simply s...

bash

@Bob I already got the answer, but, yeah, you were right :)

Bob

2:27 PM

@allquixotic I'm now wondering about what my next phone might be. Hm.

No concrete plans yet, but I'm already two "major" Android versions behind.

Ideally something open/moddable (damn efuse/knox on Samsung), but then there's the whole MicroSD and softkey thing :\

I suppose Nexus and OnePlus are the common choices for open Android.

Journeyman Geek

is softkey good or bad?

Bob

2:53 PM

@JourneymanGeek I prefer the Samsung layout of softkeys separate from the screen and a physical home button.

The softkeys are more important than the button.

DragonLord

Am I posting too few answers?

I'm very picky with the questions I answer because I'm not an expert in a lot of subjects...

300 answers doesn't sound like a lot

I'm very serious about the quality of my content, but I feel that this is holding me back

Bob

@DragonLord There's nothing wrong with that!

I stepped back from the main site a while ago. I don't go hunting for questions so much now.

Sathya

I haven't posted an answer in a million years

Bob

If it's a question I know I can answer well, I'll do so. Or if I'm interested in researching for it.

But I won't force an answer just for the sake of writing an answer, if I have zero interest in the question. That probably won't turn out well.

DragonLord

What seems to separate the top users from the rest is the sheer volume of answers they post

But a lot of them don't do the moderation work the chat regulars and I do

Bob

2:59 PM

@DragonLord Uh... I actually do very little moderation work too :P

The review queues... disagree with me.

Might have to try them again sometime.

DragonLord

@Bob, I'm very surprised

Bob

@DragonLord I'm mostly active on chat, somewhat active on meta, and occasionally answer on main.

Not much editing/closing going on.

I do drop quite a few comments, though.

When I stopped pushing answers, my comment rate went up a fair bit.

DragonLord

I tend to post two or three answers a week, watching them closely for responses, and maintaining them as required.

Bob

Maybe it's more of a shift. Only answer if I'm reasonably sure, leaving comments for suggestions.

DragonLord

I tend to put much more time into maintaining answers than posting them.

Bob

3:01 PM

^ that, but I probably average one a week now, if that :\

@Sathya TIL a million years == five days :P

Sathya

@Bob well, that's barely an answer :p

Bob

@DragonLord I feel like it's a fairly common pattern for new users to push a lot of answers out, maybe for more rep. Then it slows down as the novelty wears off a bit.

Some, like @JourneymanGeek, maintain the high answer rate. But he's kinda in the minority :P

Even that seems to be slowing down a bit now he's working full-time.

DragonLord

Just going through /review right now

I'm hoping to ramp things up to 5-10 answers a week

My odd graduate class schedule allows that

...without sacrificing the work I do on /review, /tools, or elsewhere

Sathya

@DragonLord good luck with that.

Bob

Just browsing through recent questions, I see nothing that interests me :\

DragonLord

3:10 PM

Just went through 40 close votes.

DragonLord

3:28 PM

I don't "fire and forget" answers. I stand by every post I write.

Bob

@allquixotic How's Star Citizen going?

I just found out about Elite: Dangerous, and it sounds nice.

DragonLord

[windows-7] or [windows-8] or [windows-8.1] or [cpu] or [gpu] answers:..1 closed:0 score:0.. hasaccepted:0

Hopefully, I can find questions that interest me

superuser.com/help/searching

Ahmed Daou

4:15 PM

any IIS expert over here

Bob

@AhmedDaou Just go ahead and ask your question.

If anyone knows the answer, they'll answer.

Ahmed Daou

@Bob IIS is not able to serve pages

Bob

That said, I'm going to sleep. I'll be back in ~7 hours if no-one else is here.

Ahmed Daou

HTTP Error 500.0 - Internal Server Error

The page cannot be displayed because an internal server error has occurred.

Bob

@AhmedDaou Going to need to be more specific than that.

Is it a static page?

Dynamic? CGI? ASP.NET?

Ahmed Daou

4:25 PM

Most likely causes: •IIS received the request; however, an internal error occurred during the processing of the request. The root cause of this error depends on which module handles the request and what was happening in the worker process when this error occurred.

•IIS was not able to access the web.config file for the Web site or application. This can occur if the NTFS permissions are set incorrectly.
•IIS was not able to process configuration for the Web site or application.
•The authenticated user does not have permission to use this DLL.

Bob

What was the last change you made before this started?

Ahmed Daou

this is a new server I set up

I cannot even get the html page to work

something is not configured right

Bob

@AhmedDaou What have you done so far?

Ahmed Daou

but error is not relevant

Bob

Just enabled IIS from Programs & Features?

Have you done anything further?

Ahmed Daou

4:26 PM

google.com/…

I searched for troubleshooting IIS

vairous ressourcce show how to enable tracing which I did

Bob

First, describe step-by-step how you set up this new server.

Don't worry about troubleshooting or tracing just yet. Figure out what you've done so far.

Ahmed Daou

I am trying to mirror a physical server to Virtual

so I installed IIS from scratch

Bob

@AhmedDaou See, that's an important detail.

Ahmed Daou

imported the shared configuration

and moved the files

Bob

@AhmedDaou So, first: did the plain installation work, before importing anything?

Next: do the two IIS versions match exactly?

Ahmed Daou

4:29 PM

Im not sure, Once installed I tried to move the file and get it to work

yeah 7.5

Bob

And: Did you have any extensions or other components installed on the previous server?

@AhmedDaou Check the minor version too, and any appropriate updates.

Ahmed Daou

I installed the same features and role

7.5.7600.16385

yup the same

Bob

Also: Have you tried turning it off and on again? :P

(a restart is sometimes required after installing IIS)

2 mins ago, by Bob

And: Did you have any extensions or other components installed on the previous server?

^ that's probably the key here

Ahmed Daou

I installed PHP

but this is not what Im testing

I did not move PHP to this server

Restarted? I rebooted the server many times

Bob

Also, error logs. First one of interest would be in %SystemRoot%\System32\LogFiles\HTTPERR. There's also event logs. See if you can find anything relevant in there.

@AhmedDaou I asked before - what type of site is this? ASP.NET?

Ahmed Daou

4:34 PM

@Bob Yea I have a bunch of site, classic Asp, asp.net, PHP

Bob

@AhmedDaou That might be a problem, depending on what importing the config involved. If it expects a component that it can't find...

Ahmed Daou

but for the sake of testing I want to get localhost to work at least

really

even for default website with a simple html page

Bob

@AhmedDaou something in the config is obviously broken, if we make the assumption that it worked before you imported it

Ahmed Daou

how do I find missing components

iis is not telling me that

Bob

2 mins ago, by Bob

Also, error logs. First one of interest would be in %SystemRoot%\System32\LogFiles\HTTPERR. There's also event logs. See if you can find anything relevant in there.

I would suspect that you have a filter of some sort that tries to send all requests through a missing component.

Ahmed Daou

4:39 PM

Im looking up Timer_ConnectionIdle right now

Bob

@AhmedDaou They're harmless.

> Timer_ConnectionIdle, happens in normal HTTP protocol usage, where the client decides not to disconnect from the server because there is a good chance that it will have another request for the server either in the process of loading a page or because a client will probably click a link on a web page that will go back to the same server. By default the server will close the connection and reclaim those resources after 2 minutes of inactivity. This is nothing to worry about, it's just an informational type of entry.

Ahmed Daou

damn

Bob

Try the application event log.

Event Viewer => Windows Logs => Application

I don't think failed-request-tracing will help much here... that's ASP.NET-specific AFAICT.

You could also try deleting all defined sites and just setting up the default one again. See if you can get that working.

I'll be back in... about 6 hours.

Ahmed Daou

Ok thanks for your time bob

event viewer did not show

I will be around

thanks again

Matt Эллен

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Hennes

6:06 PM

@Bob aye. It does sound nice. Once there is a single player version of it I might actually buy it.

ekaj

6:21 PM

Was pretty close to 100 days on a few sites and lost it

DragonLord

7:24 PM

Planned NAS setup:

8 hot-swappable 3.5-inch SATA/SAS bays and one SSD for the system

Server-class Xeon E3-1200 v3 series processor and at least 4 GB of ECC memory

SATA/SAS HBA card capable of handling at least 8 drives (RAID will be done in software, SSD is connected to motherboard)

Suggestions?

Start with 4 drives in RAID 6

4 TB WD Re SAS enterprise hard drives

I know this kind of setup sounds really expensive for a home-use NAS but reliability is paramount to me

Anyone?

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236353 x4

...or should I ditch the extra SSD and store the whole system on the array?

Michael Frank

8:37 PM

@DragonLord Looks solid enough.

Bob

10:26 PM

@allquixotic Urk - it's literally a one-char change to fix this Delphi program for my needs, but I can't compile it :(

Ahmed Daou

10:40 PM

@Bob more than 6 hours later Im still in trouble :O

boss loosing faith :-/

DragonLord

I feel like a bunch of 2.5mm 15mm z-height drives might be better

Bob

6 hours ago, by Bob

You could also try deleting all defined sites and just setting up the default one again. See if you can get that working.

Ahmed Daou

that did help Bob

I can get it to work from scratch

but I have 300 websites

Bob

:S

DragonLord

Start with four 2 TB WD Green drives in RAID 6, then replace and expand with Seagate Enterprise Capacity 2.5 HDDs as needed

Bob

10:46 PM

@AhmedDaou How did you transfer the config?

DragonLord

Actually meant these

Not for laptops—2.5-inch, 15mm z-height for storage density, most typically found in datacenters

Ahmed Daou

@Bob I used shared config

iis.net/learn/manage/managing-your-configuration-settings/…

DragonLord

Probably shouldn't be using WD Green drives in any sort of RAID environment

Bob

@AhmedDaou Consider using a proper migration tool.

DragonLord

In any case, is there a good reason to choose 2.5-inch hard drives over 3.5-inch hard drives for a storage server?

Home use, but I want it to be enterprise-spec for maximum reliability

Bob

10:52 PM

For example, Web Deploy allows you to list dependencies.

Ahmed Daou

@Bob yeah I heard about MS deploy

I will give a try

also this article

microsoftpro.nl/2011/01/27/…

it uses command lines

Bob

I get the impression that a shared config is not designed for your use case.

You're probably expected to keep all components synchronised manually.

See also: iis.net/learn/publish/using-web-deploy/…

DragonLord

4Kn drives are preferred for future-proofing

Ahmed Daou

so it uses PHP?

intersesting

Bob

@AhmedDaou If your site uses PHP, you'll also need to install it as a dependency.

DragonLord

10:59 PM

@Bob, it's just so hard to navigate the enterprise storage environment

What are my best choices?

Should I go cheap and scale as needed, or build enterprise-spec from the start?

Intended application: Multipurpose home-use storage server for backups, photos, and other important data

I just can't get over this whole NAS issue

Bob

@DragonLord Proper enterprise setups typically pick one vendor and stick with them, rather than hunting for bargains.

Of course, it's usually cheaper to mix-n-match, but you invest more time worrying about compatibility too.

DragonLord

@Bob I'm trying to select one vendor and one drive model, and it seems WD Re seems to be the best solution

Bob

@DragonLord When I say proper enterprise setups, I mean the entire system from the ground up.

DragonLord

@Bob So is it best to choose a dedicated NAS appliance (e.g. WD Sentinel)?

I don't want to deal with vendor lock-in.

I want my data readable even if the drives need to be moved to another machine.

Bob

@DragonLord That's not very enterprisey.

You're better off picking a platform (incl. RAID card, etc.) and then picking disks to work in it.

DragonLord

11:09 PM

So should I just build my own storage server? What should I pick?

Bob

Don't worry about it being enterprisey or not. You probably don't want to pay the premium for that.

DragonLord

@Bob I just want to get an SAS HBA capable of handling at least 8 disks

No hardware RAID, don't want to deal with the hassles

Would prefer mdadm

If it's just an HBA, I can just replace the card should it fail—even with a different model from a different vendor—without worrying about compatibility

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118112

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118182 (this is newer)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: most proper enterprise storage setups are huge pre-built and expensive

(I have to swap a disk on one today, yay!)

DragonLord

@JourneymanGeek Is SAS worth the extra hassles?

Journeyman Geek

@DragonLord: I've not used it at home

But for a storage drive, not really I suspect

'Proper' SAS drives are small, fast 10/15K drives

If you go for capacity, they're essentially mechanically the same as a good consumer drive (AKA nearline SAS)

I'd rather save the 200 quid and get another drive or two ;p

DragonLord

11:25 PM

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236350 is SATA

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236353 is SAS

10% premium

Journeyman Geek

at 4tb?

exactly the same drive with a different controller

DragonLord

It's US$250 vs US$275

Journeyman Geek

Also, anecdotally, HGST's drives are suppposed to be the most reliable drives you can find ;p

@DragonLord: and you need a SAS controller for them

DragonLord

@JourneymanGeek I intend to scale to up to 8 drives, and will probably use an LSA SAS HBA in any case.

Journeyman Geek

I'm not gonna tell you how to build your system but if you look at most 'commercial' NAS builds they're based on Atom class systems.

You could probably get away with a J1800 (and IIRC asrock has a version of those with lots of sata ports)

When I build mine, I'm probably going with a pentium

DragonLord

11:28 PM

@JourneymanGeek Perhaps I'll choose a Pentium, use a low-power server board, and fit it with at least 4 GB of ECC memory

I was just about to say

Journeyman Geek

why ECC?

DragonLord

@JourneymanGeek Data integrity

I know it's expensive, but I just want it specced for reliability

Journeyman Geek

I'm not really sure there's a huge advantage in day to day use.

DragonLord

Maybe even use redundant power supplies if possible

Journeyman Geek

(As someone who's had consumer systems hit years of uptime, and no real issues)

DragonLord

11:29 PM

One hooked up to a UPS, the other to mains

Journeyman Geek

Are you absolutely going to need access to data when the power goes out? ;p

DragonLord

Again, a matter of reliability

Yes, today's file systems are very resistant to file corruption in the event of power failure, but I just want maximum reliability

Journeyman Geek

Well, you're talking nuclear power plant level reliability ;p

DragonLord

(At least the best that can be achieved in a residential environment)

Journeyman Geek

(No worries about this. I tend to try to pare down my builds for sensibility after overspeccing. I nearly had 32 gb and water cooling in my system ;p)

I might still. The reason I wanted water cooling is actually still pretty valid ;p

I'd want to go with more ram here for performance reasons.

Linux will tend to cache if you have heavy IO, and that would be nice for performance.

DragonLord

11:35 PM

How CPU-heavy is mdadm?

Should I use a purpose-designed NAS OS, or is it fine to stick with openSUSE?

Journeyman Geek

I don't think its very cpu-heavy

What filesystem will you be using?

DragonLord

@JourneymanGeek Haven't decided, but ext4 likely

I don't want to go cutting-edge here

ext4 is stable and proven for production use

Journeyman Geek

ahh ok

(openSUSE has some shiny stuff for btrfs)

Which I may go with on my build

in that case though, unless you want a webui, probably shouldn't matter

DragonLord

If I recall, the openSUSE YaST partitioning utility handles mdadm well

Let me log into my Linode server to check...

I probably won't be building this storage server until a few years down the line when I have a bigger space to set up the requisite hardware

Journeyman Geek

lol

As someone who built a system over ... 2 years or so...

I'd say parts are going to change a lot in that time

DragonLord

11:39 PM

Yeah, there's built-in mdadm support

Journeyman Geek

We've suddenly got a growth spurt in HDD sizes for example

I still kinda want to go with a pair of 8tb drives for my eventual storage system. Prolly 4 gb of ram (maybe 8), pentium of some flavour

Not sure if I would go the low end SSD or USB boot route.

and probably 'just' use MHDDFS for storage concatanation or use rsync or something for replication

(I consider my storage box essentially disposable though, I've reformatted mine 3-4 times in the past year)

DragonLord

11:55 PM

Does the LSI 9207-8i support staggered startup?

It's not exactly great for all disks to spin up all at the same time, especially when that array grows up to eight disks

Perhaps I can get each of the disks to spin up one second apart from the others?

Bob

@DragonLord Sounds like you're splashing on the hardware and skimping on the software :P

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