Root Access

12:01 AM

@Psycogeek crossover cables are obsolete ;p

12:16 AM

How stuff works , computer.howstuffworks.com/power-network3.htm check out how powerline networking works :-) "A parallel cable is plugged into the wall device and into the parallel port of the computer. The power-line network must be the last item connected to the parallel port. For this reason, if you have anything else connected to the parallel port, such as a scanner or Zip drive, it must have a pass-through for the parallel port. "

Aka how stuff worked 13 years ago, as the article is dated 2001.

allquixotic

12:46 AM

@MichaelFrank you playing now? :P

Michael Frank

@allquixotic I've just been playing for the past couple hours, but we're going out now.

allquixotic

@MichaelFrank good job! you carried :D

@MichaelFrank F. I'm just starting :/

Michael Frank

I'm sure we'll play again!

@allquixotic I also jungled one game and we ended up winning. 100% Hunter win rate FTW! :D

allquixotic

I'm not good at jungling; I'm just good at working WITH junglers

Michael Frank

Yea, I was told to jungle even though I said I knew nothing about it.

allquixotic

12:53 AM

see jungler roaming my way -> engage -> pull enemy -> get kill or assist

Journeyman Geek

1:08 AM

@Psycogeek there's something wrong there

powerline networks are a VERY recent thing

oh dear me

THAT ARTICLE BELONGS IN A MUSEUM

Psycogeek

1:23 AM

@JourneymanGeek that is what i thought too, although i have had and used parellel port networking, at that time i had never heard anything about piping it through the powerlines.

technology changes so fast, to retain the knowlege of the past, would be to strain the brain. Damn the history on with progress :-)

(which just leaves the slight issue of all the new bugs , that eventually will be fixed, prior to obselecence)

HackToHell

1:59 AM

> Where can I use my Virtual Card?

You can use your Virtual Card at all merchant websites in India that accept VISA/ MasterCard Debit Cards as a payment option (payment in Indian Rupee). However, sites such as the adult entertainment-sites, gambling-sites, etc, have been prohibited.

Journeyman Geek

2:10 AM

lol

You're not intending to, right?

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek H2H likes him some adult entertainment

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek no, I'm trying pay the damn frantech invoice ;p

@allquixotic Well there's free stuff

Michael Frank

3:08 AM

@allquixotic fancy a game or two?

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic hentai@home? ;p

allquixotic

3:33 AM

@MichaelFrank sure!

I just won. I got the maximum possible rating (rolled 511) and got... Cerulean as my reward -_-

THE FIRST HERO I EVER UNLOCKED. AS A REWARD.

GEE THX GAME. >_____<

Michael Frank

@allquixotic about 10 mins more in this game

allquixotic

that "Crafting Currency" was a Cerulean card for a second until it transformed into that

Michael Frank

yay, winner!

allquixotic

you won too?

Michael Frank

yep! At level 12 no less :P

they surrendered haha

allquixotic

3:37 AM

nice

are you xandora?

Michael Frank

Yea

played as Ashabel :D

allquixotic

we still get rewards when we play grouped, but we don't advance on the global leaderboard... /shrug I don't have enough time to play to compete on the leaderboard anyway

even though I'm on a fairly long winning streak here

Michael Frank

Been using the guides from here: theshapersguild.com/dawngate-guides/shaper-quick-guides

And they've been very helpful!

allquixotic

dang, no one wants to play us

or rather, the system can't find us anybody

HackToHell

wow finance.yahoo.com/news/…

Bob

3:51 AM

> Samsung Galaxy TabPRO 10.1″ 16GB 4G Tablet $729

!!no

might as well get a Surface Pro...

Journeyman Geek

lol

@allquixotic like curling? They need to have a channel just for that. SUCH a civilised game.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ...that was my first thought :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

@Bob: this is what happens when you spend a lot of time around the same people ;p

Psycogeek

@allquixotic this hero has a "flipping the bird" logo on his armor :-)

the second picture, he has seriously ODed on power (or extasy)

Michael Frank

4:21 AM

Michael Frank

5:30 AM

@allquixotic had fun!

allquixotic

yep

Michael Frank

5:52 AM

Uhh... so the wife decided to say "We're going now" then proceeds to start applying her makeup.

Journeyman Geek

ugh

superuser.com/questions/764759/… is it september already?

Michael Frank

"Pinging SERVERBOX [fe80::9045:221e:23f:e9ad%3] with 32 bytes of data:"

What's with the stuff between the []s?

Journeyman Geek

6:39 AM

lol

ipv6 address

and the [] may be needed for some applications

Bob

wtf

Mouthfeel

Mouthfeel is a product's physical and chemical interaction in the mouth, an aspect of food rheology. It is a concept used in many areas related to the testing and evaluating of foodstuffs, such as wine-tasting and rheology. It is evaluated from initial perception on the palate, to first bite, through mastication to swallowing and aftertaste. In wine-tasting, for example, mouthfeel is usually used with a modifier (big, sweet, tannic, chewy, etc.) to the general sensation of the wine in the mouth. Some people, however, use the traditional term texture. Mouthfeel is often related to a prod...

> Some people, however, use the traditional term texture.

@Michael @Journeyman also, the prevent sign:

35

Q: Why is there a percent sign '%' in the IPv6 address?

I am using the .NET Framework classes to get the IP addresses for my machine. Dns.GetHostAddresses(Dns.GetHostName()) I have a VirtualBox adapter which has both an IPv4 and IPv6 address. Using the .NET code I am getting the IPv6 address as fe80::71a3:2b00:ddd3:753f%16 Notice the %16 at the ...

ipv6

Journeyman Geek

ahh, I suspected the link local part

Bob

8:05 AM

Courtesy of the Oglaf webcomic (Warning: a lot of them are NSFW)

Andrew

Does a extended partition counts as if it is a primary partition?

Bob

@Andrew No.

Andrew

@Bob I want to make a primary partition, I have 3 primary, and 1 extended. And it says I can't have more than 4?

Bob

@Andrew MBR only allows four partitions, max.

As far as it's concerned, there's no such thing as primary or extended, only a partition ID.

Extended partitions are technically a type of partition, as far as the MBR is concerned.

Journeyman Geek

audiostream.com/content/usb-cable-shootout Google now just linked me this

Bob

8:16 AM

But they're also treated as something distinct from a normal primary partition by most OSes.

@Andrew Extended partitions are basically a hack to get around the hard limit of 4 partitions.

Nowadays, you should be using GPT if at all possible.

Andrew

what are GPT

Bob

You can easily have over a hundred partitions with GPT.

@Andrew New disk format, designed to replace MBR.

Just be warned that converting an existing disk could potentially be data destructive.

And Windows will only boot from a GPT disk in UEFI mode, not in BIOS mode.

MBR is simpler, older, and more limited.

Andrew

Than How can I replace the Master Boot Recorder with GPT?

Bob

@Andrew Why do you want another primary partition anyway? It's likely possible to work around it with MBR if you really want to. Though GPT is definitely the cleaner solution.

Andrew

@Bob than how do I get it?

Bob

8:19 AM

@Andrew Depends on your OS, or whichever partitioning tool you want to use. But back up the data first because if something goes wrong you can lose your data.

Andrew

@Bob take a look

Bob

Urgh. Here's the thing.

Windows will not boot from GPT unless you install it as UEFI.

It's theoretically possible to convert an existing installation, but it's... potentially problematic.

This is the kind of thing you should do when you build the system, not convert to later.

So... why do you want another primary partition? There might be another way around it.

Just... the next time you build a system, look up UEFI and GPT first.

Andrew

I only have sutff on SDA2

Bob

@JourneymanGeek oh good lord.

Andrew

SDA1 is the OEM's tools

Bob

8:22 AM

@Andrew If you can back up all your data to a different disk and wipe this one, you can start fresh and use GPT more easily.

Andrew

Okay I know How to back it up.

Than what.

Bob

@Andrew linux.com/learn/tutorials/…

@Andrew technet.microsoft.com/en-au/library/dn336946.aspx

If you want dual boot, usually easier to install Windows first.

Andrew

I use mostly Linux, but my ISP for my internet only gives Windows instrictions so...

Bob

As for actually installing Windows: technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh825112.aspx

@Andrew You can always run it in a virtual machine. I'm not even sure why an ISP's instructions would be OS-specific.

Andrew

Thanks

Bob

8:26 AM

If you're talking about tools like ping, they're available on Linux too.

If you're talking modem config, it should be a web page.

Andrew

Internet Provter

Journeyman Geek

@Bob and it recommended another USB cable comparison...... Damn this would be creepy if it were not so laughably wrong

Bob

8:49 AM

@Andrew Yes yes, but that should have nothing to do with your OS

My ISP goes as far as my modem. A cable or fibre ISP would go to the router, maybe.

Anything beyond that? Not their problem, not their business.

Andrew

16

Q: How can I change/convert a Ubuntu MBR drive to a GPT, and make Ubuntu boot from EFI?

I recently have upgraded my PC, my new Motherboard (ASUS M5A99X EVO) uses UEFi instead of the regular MBR option. I have a Ubuntu 11.10 installation that I did when I had my previous hardware (MSI MS 7267) , Ubuntu alone boots fine, and so does Windows 7, however Windows 7 is using UEFI (GPT) bo...

11.10 grub2 uefi grub-efi gpt

Bob

@Andrew Oh yea, converting to GPT is easier if you aren't trying to boot.

It's the conversion to UEFI boot that's annoying.

Andrew

How it that annoying?

Bob

Because you have to eff around with the bootloader. In fact, you need to install a different bootloader.

Andrew

I use GRUB

for Unix like Operating Systems

Bob

8:51 AM

The binaries used by UEFI and BIOS are not the same.

GRUB would need different binaries for (U)EFI and BIOS boot.

Much like Windows' BOOTMGR.

Andrew

What does that mean, I have to much around with the BIOS? Not only the settings in their but change it?

Bob

@Andrew You need to change the bootloader.

The UEFI or the BIOS are what go before the bootloader.

They each expect the bootloader to be in a specific location and format.

Andrew

Oh I don't need to do nothing to the BIOS, not even change settings?

And have you done it?

Journeyman Geek

bleh

the fibre installer guys are not here

Bob

9:06 AM

@JourneymanGeek I gave up waiting for them half a year ago. Oh wait...

Journeyman Geek

lol

they were supposed to be here 1-4

its 5

Bob

@Andrew You'll need to turn off CSM mode (compatibility support module)

That's assuming your hardware actually is UEFI

if it's BIOS hardware you're outta luck

@JourneymanGeek I'm off to go read that USB cable page now

Journeyman Geek

lol wear a helmet

Andrew

My Firmware on my computer is BIOS

Bob

> I feel that significant differences in sound do exist with these three audiophile cables when compared to my Belkin Gold USB cable.

Journeyman Geek

9:08 AM

;p

Bob

@Andrew No. Look it up properly. Or check your motherboard model number.

Or the year or purchase.

Don't mix up BIOS and UEFI

> Apparently I’m not alone in this belief.

Too bad, really.

Andrew

I have a Dell Inspraion 17R N7110

Bob

2011. Almost definitely UEFI.

Whether they force CSM on and lock the toggle is a different matter. Laptops are iffy in this way.

Andrew

I hate laptops!!!!

Bob

Looks like that particular one is UEFI hardawre but locked with CSM/BIOS mode on: en.community.dell.com/support-forums/software-os/f/3525/t/…

So... you're outta luck there.

Now, I believe it might still be able to boot Linux from a GPT disk.

But you won't be able to native boot Windows from GPT without UEFI mode.

Andrew

9:13 AM

Yes I'm in luck...

NO windows

Bob

@JourneymanGeek

> All of these cables support the USB Audio Class 2 High Speed specification standard

ahem I don't believe that's a standard

it's a class of USB devices, but that doesn't change the cable hardware in any way :P

Andrew

Keep in mine I use Coreboot as not the BIOS and the stock one.

Bob

...Sorry, I have no idea there :p

See if you have a CSM or compatibility mode option somewhere.

Look where you select the boot device. Maybe in that area.

Andrew

coreboot.org/Welcome_to_coreboot

Bob

Might also include the word "legacy"

Andrew

9:15 AM

I was just joking

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Ok, what the what?

> The patented Dielectric Bias System with a battery providing 72 volts that is applied to the Solid High Density Polyethylene insulation resulting in minimization of energy storage in the insulation and multiple nonlinear time-delays that degrade cable performance. Audioquest states that the battery will last for years since the negative terminal of the battery is connected to a center cable and the positive to the bias shield with no closed circuit.

I don't...

Journeyman Geek

;p

Bob

It's like a buzzword factory exploded...

"High Density Polyethylene" => HDPE => shopping bags are also made of this stuff

sooo special

Journeyman Geek

;p

Bob

> The connectors have direct silver plating.

...doesn't silver, y'know, tarnish?

Journeyman Geek

9:18 AM

;p

Bob

For the record, that's bad for connectors.

Journeyman Geek

i know. right?

Bob

Wow. They've found a way to make a cable worse than standard ones for >100x the price

Sometimes, you've gotta wonder what these people are smoking.

How do they function in society?

Do they just make up their own language where all this actually makes some sense?

Or is it an "ooh, big words, it must be good!"?

> improves frequency extension with enhanced detail

...?

I give up. That's enough for today.

@JourneymanGeek The comments make me sadder...

Oh look a smart one

>

It's very hard to be subjective when reviewing things like USB cables. Unless the cable is out of spec, there are probably few differences to be heard.

That's where imagination and creativity has to come into play.

I quit reading a certain audio magazine after they reviewed an ethernet cable and said it made a difference in a busy rack. The crooks should have bothered to study TCP/IP a bit first.

...then the reply

>
I think your implications are from being uneducated on USB audio
Submitted by tbrads on April 22, 2013 - 6:47am

USB cables definitely sound different, based on their architecture and quality of materials. You see, in delivering a Microsft Word document across USB there is no penalty for timing errors or noise on the line (from the 5V often used by DACs); for realtime audio that is another thing all together. If you don't hear USB cable differences your system is not up to task.

Journeyman Geek

XD

Bob

At this point, I'm no longer sure if they're just being sarcastic or actually serious.

Journeyman Geek

9:22 AM

or massive placebo effect

Bob

Poe's law.

Journeyman Geek

scary thing is some of these guys probably ARE serious as hell

Bob

@JourneymanGeek No.

I refuse to believe this one is serious.

He actually mentioned MS Word by name.

...and a Word document is far more susceptible to bit errors than audio.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: There's a certain amount of... cognitive malfunction to believe shit like that

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Those mobile phone towers probably got to them. Dangerous things, those.

Radiaaaatioooon

(/s)

Psycogeek

9:40 AM

i donna get it, if they make better audio DATA cables , why wouldnt they also make better video DATA cables, and why wouldnt a person observe when a single pixel was faulty in a high definition video than when a digital audio wave was off by a minor ammount. Or even latencies, or borked packets. compressed digital video data can go to hell in a handbasket when a single bit is screwed up within the compression.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: these folks have no idea about fundamental things like error correction and 'digital signals'

;p

Psycogeek

A full uncompressed audio stream could be off here and there and there are not human ears whom could discern the differances. so if a person could hear the difference, then couldnt it also be very easily seen by using the same cables to do something really tough ?

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: unless you're completely nuts, most music is compressed ;p

question is whether its lossily, or losslessly.

We do not consider those fellas who insist on uncompressed wav files ;p

Psycogeek

ahh uncompressed audio is easy, try doing an uncompressed full HD video :-)

Which in reality is being done all the time, because it has to get de-compressed to show, convert , re-code, re-size and all that other stuff (usually).

It was bad enough when reviewers would "avoid the truth" to keep the free shit comming in, but now they are what making up stuff , in competition to create falsehoods ?

They sound like they are discussing a Picasso, which still looks like a monkey painted it :-)

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: it isn't necessary

heck flac is probably overkill outside archival purposes

Bob

9:56 AM

@JourneymanGeek raises hand :P

though that was for a specific application

Psycogeek

So what is next, maybe we could get in on the market? AudioNAS, the only high-fidelity Network storage box that Has tranquil trebble, with booming bass, and cloud crisp highs that accent even the worst music into a crecendo of perfectally timed audio data

Bob

that only accepted 16-bit uncompressed PCM

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: wav makes sense for simplicity

not quality

Bob

ya

(it was for a game plugin, so makes sense they'd want to save power for the actual 3D rendering and physics)

Journeyman Geek

yup

There's audiophile music players that ONLY do WAV

Bob

9:57 AM

@Psycogeek ya, but saving a full uncompressed video, especially something like 1920x1080@60fps, takes a fuckton of space

@Psycogeek accessories available include pebbles you can place on top to increase frequencies!

Psycogeek

Western Digital Blues Hard drives, For only $400 you get 1T of space with firmware designed specifically to reproduce the sounds of a trumpet.

2

Bob

(yes, yes, I know "increase frequencies" is meaningless at best and should mean more distortion)

Journeyman Geek

techcrunch.com/2011/06/15/…

400? YOU NEED TO THINK BIGGER!

MOAR WOOD! MORE BRASS! STORAGE? WHO NEEDS STORAGE!

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I'm disappointed. I expected fully wood. FALSE ADVERTISING

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: here's the scary part

no mention of how much storage it has

oh wait. It takes micro sd cards

Bob

10:02 AM

@JourneymanGeek three cards per song?

Journeyman Geek

;p

It should hold at least a cd's worth, right?

Psycogeek

They certannly are going to need to buy into our new kickstarter project , Flash4Music, working with Sandisk we will create flashchips that work on the octave level (instead of block). Digital audio data will be seperated by octave and stored seperate, so the octaves do not collide with eachother and propegate.

Journeyman Geek

oh, and pono

but least he's using flac

(honestly the standalone mp3 player is dead)

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek Aye, everyone uses their phones

Though it's kinda stupid considering the Android phones battery

/me wants a dedicated audio unit like the one in Nexus 5 in all Android phones

Psycogeek

fucton of space :-)

problem is try and back all that stuff up.

When working with audio and video mixing it and adjusting it and processing it and all, i try and keep it at least "less compressed" right before i compress the hell out of it for distribution.

Zirak

10:48 AM

@allquixotic Poll results, in case you care: gist.github.com/Zirak/f1883eedd560bff51107 (scroll down to bottom).

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell I'm pondering a dedicated external sound card

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek You already have a Asus Xonar right ?

Journeyman Geek

nope

I use a m-audio fastrack with a SMSL sApII for music

HackToHell

Isn't that equivalent to a Sound Card ? :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

kinda sorta

but the one I'm looking at works with android phones

both through a cable, and wirelessly

HackToHell

10:54 AM

Oh, what card ? linky please

Journeyman Geek

I can't really justify a dedicated sound card on my PC without new speakers ;p

Boris_yo

13 hours ago, by Michael Frank

@Boris_yo I am not.

Journeyman Geek

sg.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-e3 , there's also the BTless version here sg.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-e1

and damn, they should have thrown on a little screen for notifications, would have been a super useful feature

Boris_yo

@MichaelFrank If you could quote my message first, that'd be great...

Michael Frank

If you click the little arrow on the left, it takes you to the message I replied to.

rsz

10:57 AM

hi all

Michael Frank

hi

rsz

i have some problems on my virtual server which is running ubuntu precise, lately i have somehow broken my python3 install or something like that and a lot of things it's not working

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell: if I got a xonar (or more likely) one of the new creatives, It would be the same time I upgrade to monitors or something

rsz

i have a lot of errors, i don't know if someone here could help if i link the pastebin apt-get -f install output maybe

i am trying to fix this for a couple of days with no success so i have no ideas left just these, to ask some a lot more experienced users about it

Journeyman Geek

@rsz: what're you running?

In *some*cases it might just make sense to do a poor man's backup, wipe it, and reinstall

rsz

11:03 AM

pastebin.com/8q02DPAM here you see the error messages i am running ubuntu precise

till now who i asked noone could really help me, i'm stuck at this point

Journeyman Geek

@rsz: what did you do to screw up your system that badly o0

"lsb-release" being missing is ODD

rsz

that is the other problem, i have no idea by now

it's not missing btw, it is just not setup

or something like that

Journeyman Geek

its been removed

Honestly, save your time serverfault.com/a/540888/33193 backup, reinstall, and get it running again

rsz

yes, that was my planb

if i can't save this

Journeyman Geek

You could try installing the blocking package manually

but you'd need to grab it off somewhere

rsz

11:12 AM

:D i think i will leave it alone, maybe it will take less time to reinstall all the things i need as to mess with this

Journeyman Geek

it will ;p

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek cool

Oliver Salzburg

11:56 AM

Jesus christ my internet connection is shitty today

Oliver Salzburg

12:15 PM

People need to get off the internet!

Journeyman Geek

lol. and stop clogging your tubes?

Oliver Salzburg

Right

My ISP is horrible. They openly admitted that they have more customers than they have bandwidth and that their whole network is quite unstable

But I could order a new 100Mbit hookup right now and they would install it

Out of my 100 Mbit, I can usually use 5-30. I only get 30 after like 1am though

I miss my old ISP :(

Simon Sheehan

1:06 PM

@OliverSalzburg Wow... you'd figure they would have some sort of regulations for this stuff...

HackToHell

Me thinks 5 Mbps is a great speed :P

Simon Sheehan

They improved the upload a LOT... used to be like 1 mb/s

Oliver Salzburg

1:53 PM

@HackToHell It's also combined with lots of timeouts though :(

And it's not a great speed if you're being charged for 100 :P

Simon Sheehan

My XBOX's Wifi connection is really bugging me

Works fantastically, then suddenly bam, it dies out of nowhere

can't really figure out a good cause yet

HackToHell

2:48 PM

@OliverSalzburg Yew

Random timeouts are the worst

Braiam

4:08 PM

!!meta

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Michael Kjörling

Hoping someone here is willing to comment... my PC has been acting oddly recently. A week or so ago, it unexpectedly turned on from being powered off. Last night, it shut down (it's on a UPS, and nothing in the logs to indicate any sort of shutdown, it apparently just died). Not really much to go on for a full question, or for searching. Likely early signs of PSU failure?

Braiam

@MichaelKjörling do you have one to spare?

Michael Kjörling

@Braiam Unfortunately not.

I can live with getting a new PSU if that's likely it, just looking for a bit of a second opinion I guess. Since both events were totally unplanned, I can't really do much of anything to isolate and reproduce the problem.

Braiam

"I can't really do much of anything to isolate and reproduce the problem." sounds like hardware problem... I would start replacing the PSU (since is cheaper and easier to replace) and from there move to the mobo

Michael Kjörling

4:14 PM

Motherboard replacement almost certainly means new CPU and possibly new RAM; I don't recall off hand what socket this thing is but it's 2½ years old by now.

And it wasn't bleeding edge when I bought it either.

The thing is that both times when this has happened was when I was away from the computer. The time when it powered on on its own accord I was out with the dogs, and when it powered off last night I was asleep. Neither time was there anything in any logs to indicate what had happened aside from what I could observe myself.

Oliver Salzburg

5:18 PM

Boris_yo

6:34 PM

@OliverSalzburg Why do low RAM?

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo 32bit Windows

Wow, monitor.us offers an automated vulnerability scan of a server. This is the example report: dashboard.monitis.com/sample-report.pdf

The service costs $50!

user58869

hi

user58869

@OliverSalzburg where did you get that screenshot?

Michael Kjörling

@OliverSalzburg "Image not found"?

Oliver Salzburg

@Alex reddit

user58869

6:38 PM

@OliverSalzburg what is it?

user58869

looks nice

Oliver Salzburg

@MichaelKjörling Works here :P i.imgur.com/DI7IzfL.jpg

@Alex What is reddit?

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg Yes

BigHomie

FYI folks

Michael Kjörling

@OliverSalzburg That link works, onebox doesn't (for me at least).

Oliver Salzburg

6:42 PM

@MichaelKjörling Yeah, happens for me as well sometimes

BigHomie

just booted @Alex from Comms for trolling

Oliver Salzburg

Maybe he's just high on shrooms

Michael Kjörling

@OliverSalzburg I don't suppose you have any input on my PSU question a screenful or two up? (No obligation!)

Oliver Salzburg

I dunno, I don't think I would worry too much about it right now

I never had a computer turning on by itself due to a broken PSU

And there are no log entries for both events? What OS are you running?

Michael Kjörling

@OliverSalzburg Me neither (and that might have had something to do with an interaction between the UPS and the PC being set to power on after a power loss situation), but the unexpected shutdown last night is a little more troubling.

Oliver Salzburg

6:50 PM

I agree

Michael Kjörling

@OliverSalzburg None. Debian Wheezy.

The logs from tonight just show the system coming back up this morning when I powered it on. I did look specifically for anything that might explain the shutdown but nothing. Like someone just pressed and held the power button.

Oliver Salzburg

@MichaelKjörling So syslog just at some point has fresh timestamps from the boot and above that is the usual fluff?

Yeah, I know that :P

Boris_yo

@BigHomie Who's gonna build our bridge now?

Oliver Salzburg

Well, given that you already have a UPS, and I'm assuming it's working fine, the PSU is really the first part to fail :\

If it was my rig, I'd wait for at least another failure before replacing it though

Checking all cables and connectors can't hurt btw ;D

Michael Kjörling

@OliverSalzburg Right. There's a rsnapshot entry saying completed successfully at 02:42 (that's my nightly backup job), a bunch of smartd log entries through 07:24, and then the next entry is from when I restarted the system kernel: imklog 5.8.11, log source = /proc/kmsg started.

The smartd entries are definitely fluff.

user58869

6:56 PM

@OliverSalzburg i dont know

Michael Kjörling

@OliverSalzburg At least, I have no reason to believe the UPS is having problems. It's pretty new, too, and last I looked closely at its status reports nothing stood out as out of the ordinary.

Oliver Salzburg

@MichaelKjörling Pull out the power cord and see how long the battery actually lasts ;D

user58869

@BigHomie you acuse me of trolling on my birthday, is that some kind of gift?

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Michael Kjörling

@OliverSalzburg I actually had a bona fide power outage back in February when the system ran on battery power for 40 minutes until the AC mains came back.

I've added another HDD since then but that's like a 5% increase in actual power use, tops.

Oliver Salzburg

@MichaelKjörling Ah, I see

Michael Kjörling

6:58 PM

So I'm pretty sure the UPS battery is OK :)

(And even if it wasn't, it's supposed to handle a UPS low battery condition better than a hard shutdown.)

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