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Bob
12:02 AM
Generating DH parameters, 4096 bit long safe prime, generator 2
This is going to take a long time
@allquixotic They keep the server up to date, at least... though the config probably hasn't been modified in about a decade :P
 
@JourneymanGeek Pretty sure Postbox and maybe Thunderbird detect that kind of stuff and prompt you on it when you hit send.
 
Outlook? Nope. They don't care if you look like an idiot.
 
I've done that before
In other news
that's niiice
wonder how he did the baffles
 
> I pretty impressed. Still a small amount of reverb, but it is barely noticeable. It cost about £100 to do that entire area using tiles ordered from Amazon. I stuck them up using Carpet adhesive as they wouldn't stay up with anything else.. so keep that in mind!
^ Comment from his Reddit thread.
 
12:39 AM
ahh
and eh. Looking through the ikea catalogue for my new desk plans. Undecided on the size or whether I want partial under-desk storage ._.
and wire management. I don't particularly want to drill holes in my tabletop
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Trying to figure out ZNC... so many options :S
 
lol
I actually don't remember what options I picked
my config just gets copied across... er...
I'm at 4 different systems its run on now?
 
Bob
12:58 AM
@JourneymanGeek ChatZilla doesn't seem to play nice with ZNC :S
 
Bob
> Network (irc.mozilla.org) doesn't exist.
hmmmmm
oh need to add networks first
 
Haven't used IRC seriously in years! :o
I remember having a macro once that shouted "GODLESS KILLING MACHINES!" whenever someone mentions 'bears'. Someone caught on and create the inverse and kicked it off while I was AFK. Good times.
 
Bob
> Disconnected from IRC (Can't resolve server hostname). Reconnecting...
grr
 
Bob
1:22 AM
gurk
ok time to try hexchat
@JourneymanGeek I might go quassel after all, at this rate
 
Bob
1:32 AM
annnnnd hexchat crashes on connect
why is all this crap so useless
 
Oo
32 or 64 bit?
64 bit crashes if you have any non connectable servers.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek ... :S
(turns out it was because I enabled python on install and that's borked, but I'll keep that in mind)
@JourneymanGeek Any suggestions of a good module for ZNC logging?
Ideally I'd have a full searchable history.
 
 
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3:30 AM
ahh, I just end up grepiing stuff if I must
 
Hmm... I just remembered that my copy of Metal Gear Ac!d 2 came with one of these:
I wonder if I can use it for my phone! :o
 
 
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Bob
7:29 AM
o.O
@JourneymanGeek quick question... what should I do if I accidentally created a channel? (connected to the wrong server)
 
Bob
Does it disappear when there's no one on it?
 
if the channel is not registered, there's no bot, and there's no one in it, its gone.
 
Bob
cool
now I just need to figure out how to get znc to quit :P
oh, looks like /part was enough
 
7:48 AM
lol
Once again, I don't remember. I just move my znc config over and/or restart it ;p
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek this has nothing to do with my znc config... accidentally connected with hexchat without specifying a network, so I ended up opening a channel on the wrong network
 
@Bob: I don't remember if /quit has an effect with znc ;p that's probably aliased to part tho. I've not quit an irc channel in quite a while.
 
anyone running a synology nas with VPN?
let's say there is a security-bug for all synology systems. Would a potential attacker easily find out that my vpn is run by synology?
 
8:16 AM
@JourneymanGeek the old 'unlimited data' lie. always seems like telecoms companies don't allow much freedom over in east asia though so i bet it'll be popular.
 
@allquixotic I've moved over everything on puppy over to my dedi. If you want to, you can probably nuke the VM. I really appreciate the hosting, but since I can run stuff on my own now (and I got bored at work, and needed to reinstall stuff anyway) ...
@marcusdoesstuff these guys are probably one of the cheapest/fastest telcos around. Also, this is for the trial.
 
@JourneymanGeek good stuff
 
@marcusdoesstuff: I don't really need unlimited data. I'd like to not downgrade too much to upgrade to 4G. Right now I'd drop from 12gb to 2 if I upgraded my plan to 4g
@marcusdoesstuff Phone companies here were fine until they got too comfortable ;p
 
8:39 AM
i just hate it when phone companies use words that are absolute lies
it's never "unlimited"
 
i hate it when wire-internet flatrates become un-unlimited because it works so well for the phone companies
 
i used to be able to tether my laptop to my mobile connection but not any more. actually maybe i could now that i route through a vpn.
i'd much rather they just set a max and put it at 500-1000gb/m (or 10-100gb for 3g i guess) for example.
rather than ridiculous 'fair use' policies and throttling.
ugh throttling is the worst.
 
@marcusdoesstuff none of the local ISPs do usage limiting. Its speed limited.
Mine's the 'worst' since they have different speed for local and non local sites (and advertise the former). OTOH, its good enough and I have ipv6 support natively
 
i used to have am amazing isp over in the uk
 
Andrews and Arnold? ;p
 
8:53 AM
but it was bought up by Sky and went to shit
never dropped below the speed they said and they even dropped the price at one point.
 
er.... I thought it was virgin that borged everything.
 
9:33 AM
@marcusdoesstuff 1 guess: BeThere?
(I felt that pain)
BeThere's products (and their whole raison d'etre) were aimed at tech-savvy people who wanted to either run their own equipment, or at the very least knew what they were doing, and could ask for different ADSL profiles to prioritise speed or reliability.
Along comes Sky, who - and let's be fair to them - have tech approaching tin cans joined with string
 
Aimed at mass-market folks who likely take their "12 months free broadband" package with their TV offerings
 
Most of the local ISPs are like that. And annoyingly have different tradeoffs
 
The pain of trying to get through to someone who knows which ride of a router is up at Sky's tech support is something I don't wish on anyone.
Sky doesn't have any upsides to its tradeoffs :(
 
lol. Last time I used SH's tech support... I got an automated message telling me about the problem I was facing, and that they'd fix it
 
9:39 AM
I'm with someone else now, but to this day I don't consider myself a victim- I'm a survivor.
And did they?
 
hm. My current ISP - relatively slow speeds, very slow to change. BUT ipv6 and the option to have both cable and fibre internet.
yeah. they did
 
Well, could be worse!
 
They also told me fibre didn't have ipv6. Which it did
 
And fair play to them for offering IPv6
Huh, well. Seems strange that it would not if other products do.
 
The other option I'd consider has 2 plans. gigabit, and gigabit low latency. Static IP is optional for a one off payment else its CGN. 50 quid for a static IP is fine.
No Ipv6 tho
 
9:41 AM
(Since you mentioned Virgin... when I was with Virgin, I enquired about IPv6. I was told "oh, we don't need to implement that, we have plenty of spare v4 IPs still allocated to us". gg Virgin)
CGN? ouch
I'd take that 50 quid
 
lol That's the attitude here. I have no clue how starhub... the ISP that disallowed routers for a few years is doing it.
 
> disallowed routers
0.o
As in "how dare you plug any of your filthy equipment into our property?" type thing?
 
(Right before they changed their minds and became the first local ISP to give free routers)
naw. just incredibly clueless.
 
Hah!
 
They were also blocking things like port 80 for 'security' reasons. And refused to release a list of blocked ports.
 
9:45 AM
Oh dear, I bet that made troubleshooting things real fun
 
naw. I knew about that. ;p
(I THINK they lifted the block on ipv6. I was hosting things a while ;p)
 
@allquixotic Interesting pronounciation of some dutch city names.
 
which is great, I can use cloudflare as a 4-6 gateway
 
Bob
sigh
new Pebble watch. scrambled screen issue
perhaps this is a sign...
 
0_0
(incidentally, the ISP that only does gigabit? Is the one I'm hoping to switch to if they do mobiles)
 
9:50 AM
Fingers crossed! (I dream of gigabit and v6 :P)
 
lol. gigabit dosen't make sense in my current place. When I move out, I need to see if I can get proper cabling done
makes a ton of sense for me, and I can actually use that gigabit connection. My Homeplug gear tops out at 300mbps so...
 
Bob
:(
 
@Bob can you RMA/return it?
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek sent pebble an email. will try the retailer tomorrow
but I bought it online so I don't know if the b&m store will replace it
 
Bob
10:01 AM
hmm wondering if percussive maintenance will help
 
gentle percussive maintenance
 
Bob
O_O it worked
wtf
ooooooooookay
 
loose connector?
 
Bob
nup, scrambled again
@JourneymanGeek probably
it worked for a couple screens after I threw it on the floor
(carpeted floor, so relatively soft)
(same process I used to temporarily 'fix' a glitched laptop screen)
but I'd rather get it replaced, since it's effectively DoA
and I don't want to open it for fear of damaging the water seal :\
 
10:23 AM
@bertieb Spot on :( Though BT who I'm currently with is okay. I might use Zen in my next place.
 
@marcusdoesstuff I'm with Zen!
Quite happy, except for the lack of IPv6
 
@bertieb What is the benefit of IPv6?
 
But I send them an email every-so-often enquiring about it, in the hopes that will spur them on
Not having to worry about port forwarding ever again is the main one for me :P
 
@bertieb I think Be said that they just didn't need to go to 6 yet. They seemed to explain why quite well at the time.
 
Ah, youth:
A 13-year-old Syrian refugee: "You just stop the war, we won't want to go to Europe."
 
10:26 AM
@bertieb Hmm, I've only ever encountered that with my router and it's generally something that I touch once or twice a year.
@bertieb The other thing that annoys me in the UK is how many flats are capped out at 8mbit because they're still running on copper wiring from the road. ¬_¬
 
The benefit of IP v6 are:
1) Enough IPs (try getting a /24 cq /c for home, that is hard these day).
2) No broken things like NAT (kick that garbage of the Internet!)
3) The design is cleaner (IP v4 datagrams have a lot of add ons)
 
Ya, if you don't need it that's grand and no big deal, but as Hennes says there are benefits :)
 
@hennes So mostly stuff that's only of use for very tech-savvy people?
 
What annoys me is that we're a small, tightly packed island at the roadmap for infrastructure rollout is "fibre to most" by 2017 :P
 
No, not only.
If I want to help my parents (70 plus people) from here I could just RDP/ssh to them if we both had IP v6.
With IPv4 and NAtting that gets hard
And NAT breaks a lot of things. I is against the design of the Internet.
So lots of harder work or 'i does not worky' complains from non-tech people
 
10:30 AM
Yup. I'd just set up domains for everything too.
@Hennes yeah, who'd ever want to go to europe. people spent centuries trying to get out ;p
 
And Simply having an IP per device (and proper firewall rules) means I could just print to the IP of a printer in any families house]
 
I suppose the question here is... What are the negatives for an ISP to enable IPv6?
 
They need devices whoch grok it (so less than 20 years old hardware)
And they need to train people
 
@marcusdoesstuff: "security" but you'd need to explicitly turn it on, and decvices that are aware of it
@Hennes: heh. Yeah.
 
Ehm, it is often turned on by default. E.g. Telodo on microsoft
 
10:32 AM
But they don't train people much anyway!
 
But why doesn't Zen enable 6 for example?
 
And no trained people -> no firewall rules
 
Teredo is so broken its almost useless.
 
@marcusdoesstuff Teething problems and lack of hardware
 
But mainly: we ran out of IP v4 addresses years ago. We worked around that by RFC1918 IPs and NAT. If you remove that emergency band-aid then IP v4 means lots (half?) the people on this planet loose Internet access
 
10:33 AM
I know we need to ditch 4 sooner or later, considering there are no free IPs left (other than the ones already bought up by ISPs). They do seem to be dragging their feet a bit.
 
And NAT is evil.
 
I mean when was IPv6 agreed upon?
 
@marcusdoesstuff Early 90s
 
hmm... 1998 i see
 
On 12 October 2000 we started using official IPv6 production addresseses at uni
2000!
 
10:34 AM
haha
 
That is 15 years ago
 
Huh, later than I thought
 
still ridiculous really
 
Ahhh, proposals were early 90s
 
yeah
formalised in 1998... see it takes half a decade or more to agree and probably two or more decades to put into place >_<
 
10:36 AM
Plenty of time, anyways :P
 
 
worry about it when everything breaks.
 
Bob
> because I still haven't gotten the hang of html imagemaps
heh
 
:P
What's a really popular food that you don't like?: Mushy peas
 
Bob
10:38 AM
I'm actually impressed with the name: google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=the%20dress&gws_rd=ssl
Have you ever been in a plane? "No", Have you ever been skydiving? "Yes"
That seems like the perfect kind of response :P
 
hahaha
so many people are going to play with that
 
Its actually plausible., You could be a planephobic base jumper.
 
with all this data...
is xkcd skynet?
"What word can you never seem to spell on the first try?" clearly have to spell this wrong too
 
Bob
> Which of these words do you know the meaning of?
I'm reasonably sure at least one of those is made up.
 
I respect the sanctity of data gathering and answered honestly :P
 
Bob
10:44 AM
> On a scale of 1 to 5, which number is your favorite?
> Part of a subterranean race of dog people
hmm
 
westies are partially subterranian ;p
 
Please type "cat" here:
"cat" or cat? :P
 
Bob
> "cat" here:
 
haha
@Bob always one step ahead
Half-cat half-person haha
Looking forward to seeing the wacky things people pull from that
 
 
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12:46 PM
That was one wacky survey xD
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek I think I'm all up and running now. Next step: find a channel to join :P
 
Jet
1:07 PM
Hi superusers
@allquixotic good idea :) maybe just do 3 edits?)
 
!!
 
@bertieb That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
Guess who just found out the... wha?
Oh right, Cavil
Anyway, guess who just found out the hard way what crontab -r does when fat-fingering e ?
2
googles "How to restore deleted crontab"
 
Jet
@crl "the laptop is indeed quite hot" - probably (almost surely) that's why HDD started to fail. My friend lost his HDD in the same way. Fans were dusty, CPU was getting too hot, and HDD was getting hot too (because it was near CPU). He lost his HDD with all of his data without backups.
Recomendation: Buy new HDD, and tell them to clear dust every year (if they can't disassemble computer, let them use vacuum cleaner instead but clear more often)
 
1:22 PM
and... errr... backups
 
@bertieb the same way you'd restore any unlink()ed file -- power off the system, fire up an undelete program, and pray
 
@allquixotic Well, I've got that last bit down... ;P
 
@JourneymanGeek No problem. It was fun to be helpful to you. To protect your privacy and free up resources, I'll delete it later today.
 
CCA (instead of pure copper) cat 6 for a network-only (no HDMI / PoE) < 20m run- yea or nay?
(The last batch of cable I bought was described as shielded and arrived as unshielded, so is being returned)
 
Jet
1:48 PM
Just got this question and still can't answer (related to boolean XOR):
"Is it possible to get a, b, c from a⊕b, b⊕c, a⊕c?"
 
@Jet Do you mean if you are given the answers to the three operations, can you work out the operands?
 
Jet
@Paul yes. But operators are not usual; it's ⊕ operator)
 
@Jet Do you mean it looks like XOR but isn't, or that XOR isn't usual?
 
Jet
@Paul that's "usual" xor operation
 
@Jet Damn. Seems to me like the answer is "yes", but I can't prove it - my timezone means sleep now. Please somebody star the answer if it arrives.
 
Bob
2:03 PM
@bertieb If you just want GbE, it really doesn't matter.
If you want 10GbE, I'd ask why you aren't using fibre.
 
Jet
@Paul me too..)
p.s. asked on Puzzling.SE: http://puzzling.stackexchange.com/questions/20825/xor-is-it-possible-to-get-a-b-c-from-a%E2%8A%95b-b%E2%8A%95c-a%E2%8A%95c
 
Because the turning radius on fibre makes bertieb sad :P
But that's good to know re CCA- searching reveals a gamut of opinions from "yeah, go for it" to "KILL IT WITH FIRE"
(well, not so much 'kill with fire', but fire-hazard-if-used-for-PoE)
 
Jet
People does anybody know how to "strikethrough" words in answers??
 
nope Maybe
 
Jet
heh, how?
 
2:06 PM
Oh, answers- I assume it's the same as Ghetto Chat Markdown where it's three dashes (---) either side
But it would seem... not? :-/
 
Bob
@bertieb It's <s>
<s>strike</s>
 
@Bob So it is. Maybe that could be put in the so-called 'Advanced help' ?
Oh, I guess it is:
461
Q: What HTML tags are allowed on Stack Exchange sites?

Jeff AtwoodThe Stack Overflow site engine, as you know, uses Markdown for questions and answers. Per the Markdown specification, you are allowed to freely intermix HTML and Markdown tags. Not all HTML tags are allowed, as that would be an XSS paradise. Which HTML tags have been whitelisted and are allowed ...

goes back to hunting for cable and stops misleading people
 
Jet
I forgot that using "basic HTML" is possible in answers:) thanks @Bob
and @bertieb )
 
Heh, t'were really Bob what done the helping, I was just mashing my hands on the keyboard in comparison :P
 
Bob
@bertieb Huh, <del> is recommended instead? TIL.
> <strike> is not supported in HTML5. The difference between “s” and “del” is that “del” has the meaning of deleted text, and “s” is just rendering.
Why on earth did they deprecate <strike> but not <s>?
scratches head
 
2:15 PM
@Bob Welcome to the topsy-turnvy world of Wonderland WHATWG :p
 
Jet
2:28 PM
What if I meant "strike through" in this way ?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_HzezTbuhs&t=12
.
.
p.s. "CSS Strike Through" - means Counter Strike Source: Strike Through walls XD
@Bob , @bertieb
 
If you meant it in that way, I'd say, "Ow, my poor ears"
:P
 
 
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3:49 PM
weird, Firefox without hardware accel (3d accel disabled in VM settings) is slower than Firefox or Chrome with hardware accel, for Win10 on top of Win7 (both 64-bit) in VMware Workstation 12 Pro, on Sandy Bridge graphics
 
!!/info
 
@DragonLord I awoke on Wed, 02 Sep 2015 00:00:10 GMT (that's about 15 hours ago), got invoked 1 times, learned 100 commands
 
Jet
4:14 PM
@allquixotic "Firefox without hardware accel" is slower than "Firefox with hardware accel" - obvious. What's the point there ?)
 
4:53 PM
hey guys, is an intel nuc viable as a mssql server?
 
5:08 PM
I guess it depends on how much requests you expect.
But it is just a guess, I have zero experience with mssql. Or any DB at all.
 
a CRM system with 2 active users will use the database
I think it should be fine but I might be mistaken
it's more of a mediacentre pc than a server...
 
Jet
@MarcelBurkhard Are you sure 2 will not expand to 200 active users ?
Answer this question and it will be the answer of your question.
If there will be only 2 users then a 25$ Raspberry Pi can do the job.
 
5:24 PM
@Jet I meant that in the reverse way, whoops
 
@Jet MS SQL requires Windows thus x86
@Jet yes they will not expand to more then 2 users
 
@MarcelBurkhard like Jet said, if it's strictly bounded at 2 users, then yes, it will be fine - a NUC has, at bare minimum, a Core i3 or Pentium of a recent CPU generation, which are more powerful than some of the crap people run SQL Server on (e.g. Core 2 era CPUs)
your limiting factor will probably be RAM -- stuff as much RAM into it as you can afford
 
ok thanks all, sounds like what I was thinking
 
4 GB is a lower bound, but really consider putting more if you can afford to do so
 
@allquixotic is MS SQL ram heavy?
 
5:26 PM
@MarcelBurkhard every database is RAM heavy by design
that's what they do
they convert unused RAM into caches of data
 
@allquixotic redis yeah ;D
 
Toshiba Q300 Pro is a 2-bit MLC drive, but it also has an SLC cache (normally reserved for TLC drives) betanews.com/2015/09/02/…
 
@allquixotic but sounds reasonable.. it has 2 slots, do you think it's ok to start with 1x4GB and add another 4GB if it doesn't perform well?
@allquixotic after all the I/O would be from an m.2 ssd if it still needs any I/O
 
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Jet
@MarcelBurkhard as @allquixotic mentioned, databases are ram-heavy,
but their performance also depends on HDD speed (when database is big)
So you can consider SSD as well, or buy a NUC that has SSD inside.
@tereško great, that's a good app, purchase
Seriously, is it a malware?
 
5:40 PM
@Jet I intended to buy the latest i3 Barebone NUC and a Samsung 850 m.2 SSD and 4GB RAM
@Jet I'll just do this now and upgrade ram if needed
 
@Jet no. It is a joke. For now.
 
@tereško If that does become real, it's likely they'll be a lot of backlash.
The only payment is for a subscription to keep a history of recorded video.
 
@DragonLord not if it comes with iPhone9
.. or Playstation5
 
I understand the privacy issues that exist in today's world.
Power is getting concentrated in the hands of the few.
...and this generally leads to abuse.
 
Most of major SO users understand piracy. You are not saying anything new there
 
Jet
5:45 PM
@Marcel, That's OK. It will give you a lot of headroom for more users in the future

@tereško, @DragonLord do you mean iPhone 9 will keep recording history? What?
 
@Jet No, of course not.
@tereško I said privacy.
 
@DragonLord freudian slip :D
I meant to write "privacy"
 
Piracy, privacy. Who cares, it's all bad, bad stuff from the evil hacker 4chan
 
In a world where consumers have less buying power than ever before, paid services that do not require advertising or other monetization mechanisms that have privacy implications are becoming untenable.
The economy just doesn't allow for any alternatives.
 
0
Q: How does this site detects my browser and OS without knowing my useragent?

That Brazilian GuyHow sites like whatbrowser.org and whatsmyua.com are able to tell my browser and OS even when I explicitly set my username as some random string?

 
5:49 PM
What if we were charged a small fee for the Windows 10 upgrade?
...even $0.99?
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy I am actually currently in talks with evil hacker rutracker about the FLAC malevolent file
s
 
Candy Crush Saga is installed as part of the base system for a reason. It can be removed, but asking for users to pay even a dollar for the upgrade isn't exactly palatable.
I would have no problem paying $.99 or other small sum for an upgrade if it did not entail these kinds of compromises, but not everyone with a PC has even a small amount of discretionary income.
 
Jet
@DragonLord
"Power is getting concentrated in the hands of the few."
and they are the people who make
"a world where consumers have less buying power than ever before"
 
Hence the Occupy movement.
Moving up in society is harder than ever before.
Practically speaking, power corrupts 99%+ of the time. There are very few truly powerful people who are still able to lead wisely and benevolently.
It is said that absolute power corrupts absolutely. While I see no basis for making a sweeping generalization that effectively claims that not getting corrupted by absolute power is 100% impossible (which would imply loss of free will on attaining or staying in power), human nature makes it exceptionally difficult in practice to stay benevolent in a position of power.
So if you do manage to move into a position of power (congrats!), you have to be very careful not to wind up with your morals messed up. It's not easy.
 
Jet
@DragonLord sounds great
1) What do you think, what's the point of -> free <- Windows 10 upgrade?
2) Where are they getting enough money to feed their programmers??
(please don't say from Windows Store that has nothing inside)
 
6:01 PM
@Jet Reduce the cost of development. Less fragmentation means less time and money spent on maintaining older branches of Windows.
A firm belief of mine (and I'm adamant about this) is that one can move up in society without becoming corrupt. Human nature doesn't have to get the best of us. If you know what you're doing, you don't have to fall into traps like this.
 
@DragonLord do you remember what happened to "Occupy" and the "progressive stack?
it imploded
 
@Jet Sales of Windows PCs still incur a license cost from the OEM. That's where the majority of the money comes from.
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy username ? user agent. One of them sites says i am using chrome , actually it is Maxthon :-) and the other just said Your using . . . . and never finsihed :-) so neither one of them know thier head from thier ass, because there are sites that know i am using an IE browser even when presenting a weird useragent.
 
Jet
@DragonLord "-Reduce the cost of development..."
That's partially true. Partially because there is also another way of making money

Microsoft changed their privacy to "no privacy at all". Why?
All it's because they get lots of money by selling your personal information to... and ... and .....
That's the way Google, Apple, other great-big companies work. Microsoft joined the party with Windows 10
 
Advertising is key here.
21 mins ago, by DragonLord
In a world where consumers have less buying power than ever before, paid services that do not require advertising or other monetization mechanisms that have privacy implications are becoming untenable.
 
6:16 PM
@Psycogeek Yeah, I meant user agent
 
@DragonLord while that is very true that persons can make money via just hard work, and not being a scumbucket, does the same apply to corporations that the investors expect the workforce to create money from nothing? take for example the many corporations that have no real product at all. Facebook , twitter , really what do they provide a place to dump poop on the floor so people can come across and smell it ? what do they manufacture that anyone can solidly benefit from ?
Take windows if you had a fully functional non crashing system and set of programs, that viably operates for all things people wish to do. Plus recognise that a large percentage of the people just want to get e-mail and wander about the web, and have real jobs.
WTF does windows 10 bring any of them, as any sort of useful sellable product, that they did not presentally already own?
 
Jet
and not only. Apple is known as the Big Brother in providing data to US National Security Agncy. Apple is a known "brother"... others are unknown brothers.

Apple added fingerprinting to iPhone for convenience?
Really, it's not that convenient feature for users. It's just another, better way of collecting information for ...
And I don't want to tell who governs the US, EU and so on... few people but a large worldwide organization...

"Power is getting concentrated in the hands of the few." That's soo true.
 
How is that any different from a Box of corn flakes, it was what it was, it was food, you ate it, it did what it could do, now how do you have a corporate success from a box of corn flakes? 1) assume it is a sucess because well people are happily eating it, and will continue to do so 2) figure out some evil way to actually get your investors more money , by providing less and charging more 3) actually create and manufacture a product that also sells and makes money or is even worth more.
 
Jet
6:35 PM
For example, consider you have fingerprints of a lot of datacenter sysadmins, where there is a two-factor authorization with fingerprinting and a password.
Fingerprints - are from Apple,
passwords* - use algorithms that are standartized, again, by "brother" companies.

That's a great power to get any info you want.
Get any info about somebody - and that's a great power for manipulating/controlling the humanity. From up to down.

*for example, SHA was standartized by US NIST, and
SHA1 was designed by the same National Security.
 
Your listening in on the phone , to see what the terrorist are up to, and you hear that IBM stock is going to drop to 2cents a share, you just heard that by accident while spying on terrorists. how many minutes will it take you to get a call in to your broker and unload the 300 shares of IBM you have? :-)
 
It's a harsh world out there. You really need to work hard and stay competitive.
...but nothing is impossible.
 
Jet
@Psycogeek you are listening to "terrorists" which don't exist in reality, and which are created by "them" for other purposes. For example, for making people afraid and for example, for attacking other countries "for freeing them" from the "terrorists" you created.
 
@Jet Oh come now we know that there are terrorists, because we have been terrorising these people for 60+ years now, and that tends to make them very angry and want to fight back.
 
Anyone know where Windows OEM keys are stored exactly? I tried using RW Everything and some key finding tool, but neither of them gave me anything.
 
Jet
6:48 PM
The only places that have really free cheese without trap are Free Open-Source Software and forums like SE, where people do something for free, for them, for people.
 
I've swapped out the harddisk. I'm not sure if that might be the problem.
 
then we invite them over for a dinner party
 
Jet
@Psycogeek such people exist and they are not few...
They are all over the SE, foss and so on; the people who really think and do for people...
So you can't invite them all to a party ;)
 
@William'MindWorX'Mariager i thought they were saying some windows oem keys for the newer systems are stored like in the machine itself Bios os something? But the general "DigitalProductID" is stroed in the registry. so i guess the first try would be to search that manually in the registry?
"Embedded in your PC’s UEFI firmware: Many newer PCs that come with Windows 8 use a new method. The key for the version of Windows the PC comes with is stored in the computer’s UEFI firmware or BIOS" . That
 
Jet
@William they may be on a hidden partition of the drive. My Windows 8 tablet had a hidden partition where was system image and keys.
Also they may be on TPM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module) which is being loaded by BIOS (as Psycogeek mentioned)
 
6:59 PM
@William'MindWorX'Mariager so the real question is, what is the real problem? what happened, what did you do and what went wrong?
 
Jet
p.s. why do you need it?
 
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