Root Access

12:03 AM

hm

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A: Is there any way to cannibalize a Macbook's screen as a secondary monitor for a (Windows) PC?

Worth mentioning since there's an older question about a non destructive method of doing what you want Depends on what interface it uses. It might be a simple ~40 dollar driver board, or a even simpler adaptor. If it uses LVDS (which is more likely), there's boards consisting of a driver chip, ...

I'm parsing this as both a process question (how do I?), and one that's a hardware rec :(

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek ifixit.com/Guide/…

Step 8 and 9 show where the monitor connects to the motherboard.

Journeyman Geek

Unfortunately my own experience with monitors are with bigger monitors and they use regular sockets

also, its more a question of "should this be closed?"

Psycogeek

so you have a pannel and a backlight, then you get a pannel driver $35 and a backlight driver $15 maybey need $15 of connectors a $45 power supply, and in a hack-a-day you get a monitor worth about $20 ?

(and the right to say it is apple)

Michael Frank

12:19 AM

I remember when we had a clearance sale on one of those old Cinema Displays that Apple used to make. It retailed for something stupid like $1700, and we had it on clearance for <$1000. I had a phone call from a customer that was interested in it and he asked me to put it on hold.

He turns up an hour or two later, and is super excited to know that we still have it. I go out the back and grab it and bring it to the front counter. He then asks if it "...has everything with it, like keyboard and mouse..." as it's a clearance product.

Journeyman Geek

preeeeety much

lol

@MichaelFrank : wierdly the modern day equivilent for that is still something stupid like 1700. And lower res than the dell I'm getting, and TFT and....

ok, 1400. Still 500 sgd more than my display ;p

Michael Frank

Yea, they're absolutely useless. The one we had at work had this terrible screen burn issue...

Journeyman Geek

ahh

apple.com/sg/displays/specs.html

IPS

only QHD tho. There's these korean monitors that retail for about 400USD with the same specs. Could spend the money you save on colour caliberation gear ;p

still, not worth it from a value point of view IMO

(tho we have these at work cathayphoto.com.sg/offers/brand/eizo . Even more ludiciously expensive, but essential)

Psycogeek

for me it might be better/easier to go up a little in res as opposed to 4k, or finnaly get glasses.

Journeyman Geek

annnd my dell promises the same colour caliberation

Michael Frank

12:29 AM

@JourneymanGeek Yea, not much you can do when you need true to life colour on a screen.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank: Its more a matter of near complete consistancy

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek from monitor to monitor?

Journeyman Geek

yup

(movie colours are hardly real)

Michael Frank

True.

You think someone would design a system that would be able to sync multiple monitors together off one calibration file.

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek does something like that use CCT (florescent type) backlighting (still) or RGB led ?

Journeyman Geek

12:32 AM

Day In The Life: Daryn Okada

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@MichaelFrank: naw. There's a (suprisingly cheap) bit of hardware, and a standard caliberation we use across the company

Michael Frank

Just plug the monitor in and attach the associated USB cable. Get the client software installed and then run a command and watch all the monitors adjust their calibrations according to the desired spec.

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: Nothing uses CCFL I think

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek Yea, I guess you need to account for factory variations.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank: there's a physical device that does the caliberation

Newer ones come with that built in

pondering buying one, its only about 200 dollars, but its really a toy for someone like me ;p

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek Yea, but you have to do it one by one. Imagine if you have like 200 monitors that you need to check calibration and verify that monthly/bi-monthly/etc.

Journeyman Geek

12:34 AM

@MichaelFrank One word

Interns

(not the word we use, but that's what they are ;p)

The newer ones can do that automatically

Michael Frank

So you set a baseline once, and as it gets older and drifts from that baseline it can auto correct itself?

Psycogeek

pay that much for a monitor and the color drifts off in time, i would want . . . my money back :-)

phosphor degredation is inevitable.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Automatic interns?

Journeyman Geek

In theory, yes

@Bob: naw

@MichaelFrank Most people don't need perfectly consistant colour.

Maybe 5-10% of people at work?

My monitors at work look nothing alike and I can't be arsed.

Bob

12:57 AM

@JourneymanGeek Heh. Left one's IPS & 1920x1080. Right one's TN & 1680x1050.

allquixotic

Home: Center one's IPS & 1080p60; left one (before it died :() was 24" TN @ 1920x1200; right one (before I gave it to my mom) was 22" TN @ 1680x1050

Work: Center one's TN @ 1280x1024@60; right one's TN @ 1336x768@60, both well under 20" diag

Mobile: only one's 5.5" (IIRC) AMOLED @ 1440p60 (often running at less frames for power savings)

Michael Frank

I have four 22" monitors kicking around at home. Two of them work, and the other two just need caps replaced.

plus 3 Elo 17" touchscreens which I have no idea what to do with.

Psycogeek

Work, sounds like you need to put in for a requisition, that isnt very nice to workers specifically interfacing with it all day.

Michael Frank

@Psycogeek It's not uncommon in large corps.

allquixotic

@Psycogeek I could put in a "requisition" and it would come back "Declined" in 5 years

they had to do a 5 year study to determine that dual monitors was worth having

Michael Frank

1:10 AM

I can count 10+ monitors here that are less than 20" diagonally without leaving my seat.

Bob

At work right now. U2312HM & 2009W

This is quite good compared to most of the others around here.

Michael Frank

We all have 2x Dell P2210s here.

Psycogeek

they have to pay the employees and benefits and work comp and all so much that a proper working machine should be a drop in the bucket. You wouldnt send UPS out in minicoopers :-)

(oh wait, i should remove that before they get the idea to)

Nobody sells bean counter voodoo dolls, guess that wont work.

Journeyman Geek

1:32 AM

I have no idea what my office monitors are, but they're the same model

we have a ton of em spare for some reason so swapping em out for 'new' ones is an option but meh

Prolly going to go 4k + 1600 x 800

And use the second display with the brix too

DragonLord

2:00 AM

computerworld.com/article/2945796/microsoft-windows/…

This is going to be a bit of a concern for me.

I would suspect that it depends on the edition.

If I were to guess, Windows 10 Home would get three years of feature updates while Windows 10 Pro would get 5 years, starting from the date of initial system activation.

Beyond this point, feature updates will be disabled and only security updates will be provided.

Initial system activation means, for OEM systems, the date upon which the base OS was first initialized. This would be about 18 months ago for my laptop.

For full retail copies of Windows, this would be starting from the time the license was first activated.

Journeyman Geek

5 years is reasonable tho

DragonLord

That time period may well be shorter, though.

Microsoft says 2-4 years.

Journeyman Geek

Not to mention feature updates vs security upgrades

Psycogeek

When have they ever added any actually usefull "features" to a OS releace, it is all the useful bug fixing, and patching up for hardware operation.

Journeyman Geek

when's the last time you got a major feature upgrade on an OS?

(windows 8 to 8.1 ;p)

Michael Frank

2:08 AM

That title is misleading. It says upgrades to Windows 10, but then talks about OS updates for Windows 10.

DragonLord

Pro licenses represent a fairly small minority in the consumer PC market.

Psycogeek

I suppose going from WMP 11 to WMP 12 is a feature :-)

DragonLord

Most home users run the Home or Core editions.

For these users, 2-4 years is pretty typical.

A Pro user is likely to be an enthusiast or business user and should get feature updates for longer.

This is why I say 3 years for Home and 5 years for Pro.

Journeyman Geek

IIRC the period of time most companies assume a computer will work is 5 years

and if they're bigger, they likely have SA

Enthusiasts...

I donno. If you had the money, how often would you upgrade your gaming rig? ;p

My 8 year old shared system's been upgraded to windows 7 (granted, from a licence from school), and I'm already starting to upgrade my 3 year old ivy bridge box as finances allow

DragonLord

@JourneymanGeek Incremental hardware upgrades every six months or so, depending on needs. A system would be retired after 3-6 years of service, depending on the system's core components (motherboard, case, PSU) and intended use.

Psycogeek

2:14 AM

I will upgrade more based on the whole freaking hardware set becomming 2X faster , than because an OS said to.

Journeyman Geek

precisely

and one of those incrementals to me is the OS

(and I've upgraded most of my XP boxen to 7 with retail or dreamspark licences)

so 5 years isn't onorus, depending on how much upgrade/retail pricing is

DragonLord

I only hope it's not less than that.

I'd rather not have to buy another license key to extend it.

Journeyman Geek

at 4 years? coast along on security updates until you're ready ;p

For the average user? Its probably longer. I have a r61 I maintain. Still runs XP

Psycogeek

$300 (even) licence fees compared to 2 weeks reinstalling everything and getting it customised and working proper. $800 for 2 weeks labor if one was just cleaning toilets :-)

Journeyman Geek

For non bleeding edge machines, I'd likely be happy with linux

@Psycogeek: My base installs take about 10 minutes

If I did it more often, I'd probably end up automating it

DragonLord

2:18 AM

My laptop currently runs Windows 8.1 Pro and is slated to be upgraded to Windows 10 Pro in early August.

Journeyman Geek

ninite pulls in most of the basics.

DragonLord

The setup of this machine and migration from the old laptop took several days to complete.

Journeyman Geek

Actually

I can't find anything important I install by hand any more

Psycogeek

Heck it takes me that long to re-activate it all :-)

DragonLord

I have a flash drive with installers for the most common programs.

Journeyman Geek

2:21 AM

USED to manually install my PDF reader and codec pacs, but cccp seems supported on ninite, and I switched from pdf xchange to sumatra

DragonLord

Adobe Reader, Notepad++, LibreOffice, Firefox, etc.

Journeyman Geek

ninite.com

grabs the latest version

DragonLord

@JourneymanGeek It's not something I do often enough to require automation.

Journeyman Geek

Only manual steps I see are sublime text, theme tweaks for sumatra, and my whole hacked together hexchat install

@DragonLord why spend time you don't have to? And ninite picks sane defaults (with stuff like java sans tool bars), and pulls in the latest versions

Psycogeek

does it resecure it all with the 27 options too

DragonLord

2:23 AM

My approach is more "handcrafted" than anything else.

I tend not to reinstall from scratch unless a system is retired from its original purpose.

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: Well, I don't install it any more

Quite literally I need java for 2 things

Psycogeek

I install like everything :-) then have to stop it all one at a time.

Journeyman Geek

One's minecraft (which has a self contained java install now, and is moving off java eventually). The other is PDFsam.

Psycogeek

firewall this, block that, turn off this, reconfigure that, customise everything.

I would abandon java and .net commpletly if some of the most critical stuff had not decided to use it :-( ohh poo.

Journeyman Geek

I prefer easily replicable setups. If it MUST be customised, it must be scriptable.

With hexchat, I have a custom theme, but I just copy over files

Psycogeek

2:29 AM

portablizable programs are awesome.

DragonLord

I'd just write a script to automate it if it comes to that.

Journeyman Geek

Well in this case its a problem that you'd be familiar with

I've a non standard setup of hexchat, customised perfectly, that's followed me across 3 different xchat builds, and 3 OS releases.

Psycogeek

how does a script work if the OS is all completly different, as if the MS OS really changes.

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: The base commands are the same. Stuff gets added, rarely removed.

DragonLord

Automation would only be for the more essential programs; many steps will still require manual attention.

Psycogeek

2:35 AM

back when the video card had tv tuner video recorder, time slip , and an endless array of crappy sofftware to install and then try and remove half of it :-) day job already.

Plus I manually trace every piece of software installed, because it is rare like 10% that will remove completly.

Media center makes setting up the tv a lot easier, only takes say 3-4 HOURS to find all the buttons and switches .

Journeyman Geek

@DragonLord manual steps mean your automation isn't good enough ;)

@Psycogeek: Might be a little wasteful but that's why I'm generally prepared to wipe a box if needed, and seperate out roles.

Psycogeek

role playing? :-)

I am only installing once.

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: laptops tend to have minimal software for me. Gaming box has steam (and that's essentially self contained, to the point where I can reinstall, point steam at the storage location, and not need to DL everything again)

Psycogeek

If i was just a wee bit smarter all the computer hardware would be clones , oh i mean if i had a wee bit more money. Then everything in them would be cloned too

Journeyman Geek

My hardware isn't standard

My software's set up so I can pop into any system I have at home, and have things mostly as expected

Psycogeek

2:47 AM

But even steam games, is rather complex, start with the steaming pile, add in ubiplay, windows live, .net updates for the crappy add on stuff, somobody drops in physx , punk buster , and the list goes on endless. make it stop.

Michael Frank

@Psycogeek Yea, but all of that is installed when you launch the game for the first time.

You can keep all your game data safe and sound and just point a new install of Steam that folder.

Psycogeek

But whos watching what happens :-) it must be controlled.

they dont collectivly care that they destroy my machine. (my precious)

Journeyman Geek

Steam games are self contained

I can quite literally yank out my storage drive, stick it into another system, log into steam, and point steam at it, and all is good.

phyx is handled by nvidia experience and other nvidia drivers

Psycogeek

punk buster (like stuff) stay out of my memory, nobody said you could do that.

Journeyman Geek

single, very painless install

Michael Frank

2:51 AM

@JourneymanGeek It'll still run through any DX9/11 installs or any redists it needs.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank: I thought those were pulled in per game for some reason

still, reasonably painless should I need to do a reinstall

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek Not sure what you mean there.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank: each game pulls in its client libraries when you first run it

Michael Frank

Yea, that's what I was saying!

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek i do not see it that way, when i trace the install, the main brunt of the game is on one hole, but then they toss stuff around depending. the registry, the appdata, the user spots.

Journeyman Geek

2:57 AM

so essentially each game is self contained.

@Psycogeek: My games survive past a system refresh

Psycogeek

the games have actually made a way smaller mess in the registry than adobee , quickslime (needed for video editing program), and AMDs wonderous video drivers.

Journeyman Geek

"AMD" - I see your problem right there

Also, its not that it makes a mess. If its always the same mess, meh

Psycogeek

the printers (so simple) can be the most guilty of having 4 times size then the actual mess of doftware trash tossed in.

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek Yea, just because it looks messy to you doesn't mean it's actually a mess. :P

Journeyman Geek

the registry is not supposed to be tweaked by users

The whole point of the registry is to keep the mess in one place

Psycogeek

3:05 AM

And now even intel, goes ahead and puts 27 languages in. they dont even bother asking anymore if you want english , just toss it all in including the pictures of the developers dog.

Journeyman Geek

... and that's a problem why?

I mean the dog thing. Languages don't take up much space, and it simplifies software releases

Psycogeek

Problem is the 50,000 extra files that were not ever used or needed, and about 150,000 regitry entries.

Journeyman Geek

exaggeration

Psycogeek

nope, counted them, when i pulled that many.

which also included things like extra skins, and installers and everything. the average system can do everything it does today with 1/3rd , IF there was any way to controll it all.

meaning most stuff is repeated at least once.

And i am not talking hard links.

Journeyman Geek

You shouldn't need to pull so many.

The things that actually take up space for me are old installers. Nvidia and chrome are pretty horrible about that

Psycogeek

3:14 AM

yea it is stupid to mess with it, comes from back when we ran 200M Xp systems. but i cant resist. if i look in the regitry i can spend the day in there removing things , and unduping stuff.

And simple language files are simple, just that there are so many, plus there can be a registry key set for each one. so they end up with 6 pieces per langauge, then if they did pictures with text , more extra pieces.

Journeyman Geek

You're not running a 256 mb XP system with a 40gb hard drive

Michael Frank

@Psycogeek How much space do you think the registry takes up?

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank: not to mention there's at least two copies of it ;p

Psycogeek

it used to take up little, then thanks to registry abuse they actually had to expand how big it could get.

Michael Frank

The largest user hive I've ever seen was 19mb.

Journeyman Geek

3:19 AM

@MichaelFrank: so... a rounding error's worth of space ;p

or 2-3 heavily compressed music files

Psycogeek

If you want the fastest system in the world, then it will need to be smaller.

all that bouncing around in the registry , this links to that whihk classifies this which links back to that. NanoSEcONDS lost.

Journeyman Geek

meh. I have a fast system. I just built it slightly better than what I needed ;)

Michael Frank

Psycogeek

just step up to my machine, you can feel the speed.

It even chats faster :-)

If your car was full of junk, and you could toss out 1/2 of it , on one fine spring cleaning morning , would ya?

If you loaned it to a friend, and when you get it back, and open the door, old chips and empty beer cans fell out . . .

Well that friendly developer has left my computer like that way more than once.

Just because you dont see it

Journeyman Geek

"I just removed the airbags, hood, and radio. My car goes faster!"

Psycogeek

3:32 AM

hey i drove a metro, if i removed the engine it probably would have gone faster.

54HP had to turn off the airconditioner to get up the hill.

Journeyman Geek

so don't drive a metro.

Drive something reliable

like I donno. A corolla

Psycogeek

used less gas per mile than a hybrid.

you'll all thank me later when the last gallon has to be squeesed out of the ground by hand.

Journeyman Geek

after you removed the doors, or before?

Psycogeek

well i had to put the solar pannels somewhere.

Journeyman Geek

3:51 AM

whoohoo

New monitor delivery confirmed for tommorrrow

Psycogeek

4:04 AM

the elves got thier caffeine

Psycogeek

4:38 AM

here is an example, malwarebytes has 33 language files i do not need 49mb, If somehow everyone did that, 150 programs I have able to run. that is ~4900 files , and 7gig of space. so all this cruff, which is not caused by everyone, is significant only when combined together with everyone elses stuff.

Each program and driver software out there , only seeing themselves , fails to realise they are just a tiny (although important) part of the whole setup a user would have.

So what (they say) if our program has a extra 500m and 140 extra files, it works fine on our test computer here with a browser and e-mail.

But the same people, would desire to sell software, and the whole combined lot of them wants to sell much and much software. The cooler they are with the system, the better thier software will work, the more they sell. it is a win-win.

To bad the best most confined and controlled software is instead free :-)

adobee photoshop help files Not in 33 languages 25meg, if they instead did what others do 825meg , significant.

Psycogeek

5:04 AM

adobee photshop install 294 folders in just one of the locations. given just 15 fat great programs like that 4410 folders. 39k files items.

(at least it is organised)

Psycogeek

5:43 AM

sidelining plug-ins that you do not ever use for programs like video and photo, can speed up the opening of them to 3 Times faster :-O

the SSd sure fixed that with its many times faster small file reading (even when from the hard drive it was defragged to mostly sequential)

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Firealarm has gone off at work

Psycogeek

or was that the UPS :-)

Journeyman Geek

naw, fire alarm. Went off once, told us to stand by, went off again

Everyone is super chill about it ;p

Psycogeek

I would be like running

to get the extinguisher

unless there is insurance :-)

Journeyman Geek

Announcement said to remain calm ;p

Psycogeek

5:56 AM

sure they always say that , get the CEO out first before the pannic starts.

Journeyman Geek

ahh, False alarm

Bob

6:19 AM

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A: How can it be easy to write but "impossible" to extract the private key from a crypto token?

Hardware crypto modules like this are regulated by a set of standards called FIPS 140-2 which specify the ridiculous lengths that the devices must go to in order to protect the private keys inside them. There are four levels of FIPS 140-2, briefly summarized as: Level 1: It does basic crypto-y ...

"It does basic crypto-y things."

Journeyman Geek

I'd be suspecious about crypto devices that didn't even try to pretend to.

Bob

6:46 AM

lol

Journeyman Geek

7:19 AM

15

Q: Can I fly with a Gold bar?

I'll have the certificate that I have been given with it. It's a Good Delivery Gold bar. I have looked on Google and found nothing that suggests it's a prohibited item on an aircraft. It's below the weight I am allowed to carry in person. I'll be taking it to Moscow, flying from Heathrow with BA...

air-travel

Sounds like the plot to a bad movie

Journeyman Geek

7:38 AM

actually that guy's other questions 0_0

Bob

8:05 AM

we don't want to draw attention, I don't want to become a target — User 2 hours ago

proceeds to ask on a public, popular website

somehow I don't think that thinking things through is one of this guy's strengths.

@JourneymanGeek He'll be flying from Heathrow on Ryanair with an extra seat for the gold, wearing a bulletproof vest and praying in the aisle.

Journeyman Geek

9:01 AM

Pretty much :p

Does Ryanair fly to Moscow from London I wonder

Bob

9:47 AM

> Asymmetric heat spreader for stylish heat dissipation

???

Journeyman Geek

o0

Bob

Hmmm do I want to add a 2-year Amazon warranty to a product that already has lifetime warranty? hmmmmmmmm :P

user2284570

10:50 AM

Since Super bluetooth questions need to involve an Intel x86 based machine…

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/89086/…

dedicated site for bluetooth questions.

Bob

@user2284570 I'd say it's too anrrow.

Just about every BT device you can think of fits onto at least one SE site anyway.

(phone? WP, Android and Apple all have their own sites. tablet? Windows tabs on SU, Android and Apple on their own sites. Desktop/laptop? SU.)

Journeyman Geek

much much much too narrow

@Bob: tho, the reason windows tabs are on topic on SU originally is obsolete ;p

and modern windows tabs are PCs

Bob

@JourneymanGeek not by the traditional definition of PC

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: but but, WHAT IF IT BREAKS 2 YEARS AFTER YOU DIE?

Bob

which is a rather blurry line these days anyway

Journeyman Geek

10:58 AM

@Bob: x86, standard platform...

Bob

"PC" and x86 are not the same.

Journeyman Geek

as opposed to the arm/winRT boxen

Bob

@JourneymanGeek IIRC our definition for on-topic basically boiled down to "runs a standard-ish OS that also runs on desktops"

which includes things like RPi

Journeyman Geek

That's what I said

And a semi open platform ;p

buuut a x86 tablet and a mini 'pc' are identical in many respects

Bob

11:10 AM

Goulet wants $70 shipping @_@

Journeyman Geek

@Bob :o0

Yeah, stuff like that is why I used cgw for such a small order ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek problem is I don't know if the price is because int. shipping or because giant box of notebooks

Journeyman Geek

ahh

Bob

Just for kicks, I tried ordering a single one. Third shipping option appeared, much cheaper :P

Journeyman Geek

heh. At some point in the future, I may end up shipping a pair of speakers through them, if they don't ship here.

ahh ;p

Bob

11:15 AM

I wonder what the limit is.

@JourneymanGeek I thought you were gonna ship speakers through Goulet.

"Wait, they sell... oh"

Journeyman Geek

Only one way to find out

naw, CGW + amazon

Its the same speakers @OliverSalzburg has, been eyeing them a whike

but er..

I have a new video card, and some other stuff ahead of it on the pipeline ;p

Bob

Ok, I might be able to split my order into two lots, but it would still cost me about $30 each lot.

Urk.

Journeyman Geek

(I'm still spending about the same a month, + transport + maybe 30 quid for hosting)

On the bright side, I get paid 13 months, so I might be able to treat myself in december :)

Bob

oh wow this is awesome calculatas.com

user2284570

J2ME ? No sites… WebOs ? No sites… Pairing an MP3 player with bluetooth headphones ? No sites…
There are already a bunch of differents sites for a single topic, and a bunch of others to creates for cover it completely.

Journeyman Geek

11:22 AM

So. No one uses it. Depends on OS

Bob

@user2284570 Sure, if you can find enough people that use those and need to ask questions about them.

user2284570

@JourneymanGeek but off topic on SU.

Bob

Why don't I suggest an SE site for discussing HTTP, while we're at it?

(Funnily enough, that would probably get more users than BT...)

user2284570

@Bob because SV cover it

Bob

@user2284570 SV?

user2284570

11:25 AM

SF Sorry

Bob

@user2284570 Nope.

Journeyman Geek

Nah. Specific esoteric languages. Like geylang and lolcat.

Bob

SF is not an appropriate place to discuss any and all questions related to the HTTP protocol.

Many HTTP questions (dev-related) belong on SO.

User-related go on SU, usually, or a phone-specific site.

Very very few might go on SF, but that's vanishingly rare.

It's a similar story with BT.

Only a real monster of a protocol would generate enough discussion for an entire SE site devoted to it.

Point is: BT itself is already very narrow, and when you consider that the vast majority of those questions already have a relevant site the few that are left over simply will not sustain an entire site.

user2284570

@Bob and my proposal exclude programming questions. And generally you don’t pair a device with an another one of the same type.

Bob

You might get five or so questions a month, if you're lucky.

If you want even a chance at getting such a site going, you'd need to broaden it somehow.

@user2284570 Excluding programming questions is even worse.

See above re: 5 Qs per month if you're lucky.

A dead site does not a healthy site make.

(Of course, Qs/month is a very coarse and rather poor metric. But it still can be an issue when it's that low.)

Now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna go count paper.

Journeyman Geek

11:30 AM

Lol

Literally.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I have something like 8 different types of books here -_-

time to figure out excel

and GSM

Journeyman Geek

Lol.

I need to clear my desk up a bit over the weekend.

GSM is simplish :p

user2284570

@Bob Software questions around the bluetooth activities like tethering are welcomes. This makes a site were answerers won’t tell you to just use Wi Fi on your non Wi Fi enabled device (lived frequent case on SU and other stack exchange sites).

Oliver Salzburg

@JourneymanGeek They're still fine btw ;D

Journeyman Geek

@OliverSalzburg do they work on a smps or fixed voltage?

Bob

11:34 AM

@user2284570 You still don't understand. The core issue is your focus on Bluetooth: there simply aren't that many BT-related questions

There's under 1000 bluetooth in the entire existence of SU.

Journeyman Geek

Yeah. My hw recs are awesome even when I don't own the gear in question :p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek well, the name kinda tells you :P

Journeyman Geek

(May order them from Amazon. Kinda worried I'll send up buying something 110v only. Which would suck)

Or maybe get audio engine A2 locally...

Bob

@user2284570 Also, if you wanted to BT-tether where the question itself is on-topic (~> at least one device on-topic, usually), then those are simply bad answers. Doesn't mean they're acceptable for the site. Deal with it, explain why you don't want to/can't do that, downvote it, etc..

If you don't specify that restriction, then it's a perfectly valid answer anyway.

Creating a site that locks out other potential solutions for its own sake is... not the best idea. See XY problem.

(That's also why sites focus on what's a good question and answers can deviate a bit where necessary.)

user2284570

@Bob Yes as the questions which don’t have an SE site don’t exists.

Bob

11:39 AM

sigh I give up. You'll figure it out eventually. Maybe.

GSM	Width (mm)	Width (m)	Height (mm)	Height (m)	SM (sheet)	Sheets	SM (book)	Weight (book)	Count			Weight
80	90	0.09	140	0.14	0.0126	32	0.4032	32.256	1			32.256
80	75	0.075	120	0.12	0.009	24	0.216	17.28	2			34.56
90	85	0.085	120	0.12	0.0102	70	0.714	64.26	2			128.52
90	85	0.085	120	0.12	0.0102	70	0.714	64.26	2			128.52
80	85	0.085	120	0.12	0.0102	80	0.816	65.28	3			195.84
80	85	0.085	120	0.12	0.0102	80	0.816	65.28	2			130.56
80	74	0.074	105	0.105	0.00777	80	0.6216	49.728	4			198.912
80	74	0.074	105	0.105	0.00777	80	0.6216	49.728	1			49.728

@JourneymanGeek ^

1.4kg

Journeyman Geek

Oo

Bob

hm, lemme make that look a tad nicer

GSM	Width (mm)	Height (mm)	Sheets	Weight (book)	Count			Weight
80	90	140	32	32.256	1			32.256
80	75	120	24	17.28	2			34.56
90	85	120	70	64.26	2			128.52
90	85	120	70	64.26	2			128.52
80	85	120	80	65.28	3			195.84
80	85	120	80	65.28	2			130.56
80	74	105	80	49.728	4			198.912
80	74	105	80	49.728	1			49.728
81.4	72	102	36	21.5208576	10			215.208576
81.4	72	102	36	21.5208576	5			107.604288
90	90	140	48	54.432	1			54.432
90	75	120	24	19.44	1			19.44
80	85	120	80	65.28	1			65.28
								1360.860864

urk, still misaligned

excel pls

╔══════╦════════════╦═════════════╦════════╦═══════════════╦═══════╦══╦══╦═════════════╗
║ GSM  ║ Width (mm) ║ Height (mm) ║ Sheets ║ Weight (book) ║ Count ║  ║  ║   Weight    ║
╠══════╬════════════╬═════════════╬════════╬═══════════════╬═══════╬══╬══╬═════════════╣
║ 80   ║         90 ║         140 ║     32 ║ 32.256        ║     1 ║  ║  ║ 32.256      ║
║ 80   ║         75 ║         120 ║     24 ║ 17.28         ║     2 ║  ║  ║ 34.56       ║
║ 90   ║         85 ║         120 ║     70 ║ 64.26         ║     2 ║  ║  ║ 128.52      ║

Yes, there's a couple 81.4GSM books :P

gouletpens.com/product/AP-CD5N

user2284570

Current situation : create an account on WebOS.SE. j2ME keyboard.Se Music.SE EE.SE. Oven.SE fridge.SE. Mouse.SE. networkengineering.SE Android.SE SU.SE Apple.SE WindowsEmbedded.SE… (it includes sites that needs to be created)

Bob

gouletpens.com/Apica-cd7/p/AP-CD7

...*stats*?

...that's a list of measurements for notebooks I'm buying.

I'll be honest: I don't care nearly enough about your A51 proposal to bother arguing about it. I've given reasons it probably won't work. I've suggested why and how you might improve it. If you won't listen, that is really your problem.

user2284570

The only way to improve it you gave is to include programming questions.

Bob

11:55 AM

26 mins ago, by Bob

If you want even a chance at getting such a site going, you'd need to broaden it somehow.

Try reading. It helps.

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