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4:03 PM
@allquixotic heh
@Bob there's never enough cache
 
Bob
@Braiam this isn't more cache, it's taking away from the OS cache
 
@Bob I presume sarcasm can't be read of my statement
 
We just need two of those RAPID and stripe them.
2
 
@Hennes Stop thinking in the 2000s, man! Striping is so outdated. The obvious way forward is to put the RAPID cache on a RAMdisk.
 
Meh, I am too busy with my own predicted stupidity
A pair of 1U servers. Well know that those are custom build.
 
4:10 PM
2U1C? ;-)
 
1U, 1C, Xeon 3323's. (poweredges R300)
 
you missed my reference
 
I know that shit is custom made. And I still try to add different vendor hardware
 
JMG gets it!
 
4:11 PM
Let me google that. It is way to cryptic
 
two members of the gender that the majority of those conversing here are not; one small container commonly used for drinking water.
often abbreviated 2<one character>1C
 
I never head that abbreviated. Well, not until a few minutes ago
 
......
 
@Hennes this xkcd.com/467
 
!!tell 17373218 no
 
@Hennes I recommend against it
 
ESPECIALLY at work
 
!!tell 17373224 yes
 
Not at work, but ...
18:16 local. I've worked from 07:00 til 15:30
 
4:18 PM
I wonder how "mal" the software called "reimage" is... ware.
PCWorld claims to endorse it
I highly doubt it's safe
 
@allquixotic adware?
 
> It's rare that a piece of "miracle" software actually lives up to its developers' claims.
!! s/rare/impossible/
 
@allquixotic It's impossible that a piece of "miracle" software actually lives up to its developers' claims. (source)
 
Bob
ok
tomorrow, there's a decent chance i'll head out to pick up that drive
$150 for a 250 GB SSD isn't too bad
 
nice :)
 
Bob
4:27 PM
it's TLC, though
and I'll be using it for caching, so pretty write-heavy
still, it shouldn't go too badly
it lasted longer than a Kingston MLC drive anyway :P
couple of uncorrectable errors after 300 TB... meh
100 TB would take a good three years at a constant write rate of 1MB/s
 
@Bob If you're installing Windows at 1MB/s, you'll be sleeping for a while... Before you can use it...
 
Bob
and my average rate is lower than that while using it, and I actually go to sleep
@CanadianLuke constant rate over three years... that accounts for spikes juuuuuust fine
and who said anything about installing Windows?
 
:-0 Not OSX! Are you crazy? They'll flame you alive in here!
 
Bob
@CanadianLuke ...it's gonna be a cache drive
 
Ahhhh OK
Acceptable... Carry on... <*runs around*>
 
4:42 PM
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 42 mins ago, by Stijn
Jon Skeet posted an answer pretty similar to mine (which was posted a minute earlier), his got upvoted and mine remains at 0 :(
 
Bob
@allquixotic turns out the drive also has 512 MB of DDR2 cache o.O
 
Cache? Or RAM?
SSD often can use a nice chunk of RAM to store tables in
 
Bob
@Hennes why not both?
 
Because actually caching stuff might means data loss without a supercap
But many SSD use RAM for their OS and to store redirection stables. The last speeds up the SSD, but is not cache
 
Bob
eh, it's labelled as cache on the not-very-technical datasheet
it might be a read cache, which would be safe
 
4:57 PM
Well, my new video card came in. So far it runs much cooler than the previous one, and is a lot quieter too...
Now let's see if it can handle my games...
 
@Braiam The SK Effect...
 
@PearsonArtPhoto what'd you end up getting? I forget
 
Powercolor Radeon HD 6970.
 
Bob
but no microsd :\
 
@PearsonArtPhoto oh, right -- you're the one who shelled out for a VLIW5 :/
 
5:11 PM
What can I say, I'm cheap...
 
I always say, it's better to be current than high-end -- better future-proofing that way
you can get GCN cards for the same price, may not be the top-end but it's better to get the latest gen
especially when GCN is in its prime and VLIW5 is sunsetting
 
It's still a far cry better than what I had...
 
it's like buying a 1995 used car... how long do you expect it to last?
 
Gotta love unsubscribe pages... Filled in the email address as the placeholder text, but clears out the box when I click on it, and the Unsubscribe button doesn't accept it as is, so I need to type it again (link)
 
I think of it more like buying a brand new 2013 car in 2014.
Besides, I only paid $90 for it...
 
5:17 PM
@PearsonArtPhoto except that each year in GPU/CPU advancements is as significant as 10-20 years in car advancements, and the VLIW5 architecture is from somewhere around 2009
so it's like buying a brand new 1974 car in 2014 :)
 
Okay, I'll go with that.
 
enjoy your carburetor flooding is all I can say ;p and lack of airbags, no CD player or bluetooth, horrible MPG, violating the law by not using a catalytic converter, paint that wears off in a year due to acid rain, etc. ;p
 
Understand, @PearsonArtPhoto has a plan to save money
 
Actually, yes, that's exactly my plan...
 
lol
 
Bob
5:19 PM
@allquixotic I'd say more 5-10 :P
older GPUs aren't that bad
 
@Bob depends on how old -- I don't think it's linear; there are a few discontinuities.
 
Besides, the last one I had I used it till it was broken, so...
 
the jump from fixed function to fully programmable is like a 50 year jump in the gradual evolution of cars.
the jump from Kepler to Maxwell? less substantial.
although GCN is the biggest evolution in AMD graphics core design since ~2003
(and the biggest commercial success, to boot)
that actually sounds like a good xkcd comic
a graph plotting the evolution of cars and the relative evolution of GPUs
1910 = Voodoo 3D Accelerator
 
mm... weird, there isn't a list of GCN graphics cards in Wikipedia
 
@Braiam Many (not all) HD 7000, HD 8000 and R7/R9 branded cards are GCN 1.0; some of the latter would be GCN 1.1 while others are rebranded GCN 1.0
if it's too cheap to be true, it's probably VLIW5 (or GCN 1.0 in the case of R7/R9)
This page contains general information about the GPUs and video cards by Advanced Micro Devices (AMD), including those by ATI Technologies before 2006, based on official specifications in table form. == DirectX version note == DirectX version indicates which graphics acceleration operations the card implements. DirectX 6.0 - Multitexturing DirectX 7.0 - Hardware Transformation, Clipping and Lighting (TCL/T&L) DirectX 8.0 - Pixel Shader 1.1 & Vertex Shader 1.1 DirectX 8.1 - Pixel Shader 1.4 & Vertex Shader 1.1 DirectX 9.0 - Shader Model 2.0 DirectX 9.0b - Pixel Shader 2.0b & Vertex Shader ...
> All models up to including HD 76xx based on TeraScale 2 (VLIW5), HD 77xx - 79xx are based on GCN 1.0 (Graphics Core Next) architecture except the HD 7790 which is based on GCN 1.1.
for HD8000:
> All models up to including HD 84xx based on TeraScale 2 (VLIW5), HD 85xx and later are based on Graphics Core Next architecture.
> All models up to including R5 235X based on TeraScale 2 "Evergreen" (VLIW5)
R5 240 and up are based on Graphics Core Next 1.0
The R9 290, R9 290X, R7 260 and R7 260X are based on Graphics Core Next 1.1 and also support TrueAudio.
so even in the very latest branding scheme they're still selling off old VLIW5
 
5:32 PM
My graphics card now gives me the highest rating on my Windows Experience rating. In fact, it caps off at 7.9:-)
 
@PearsonArtPhoto WEI is pretty meaningless... it hasn't been updated in years... yes, you'll get great performance with desktop effects, but games are much more demanding than desktop effects
3dmark score is more important
 
Bob
@allquixotic looks at 7670m
 
@Bob VLIW5. :/
 
Duplicate items in my Android Gallery:
Solution?
 
Bob
@Boris_yo Ctrl+A, Delete
 
5:42 PM
@Bob Thanks
I recently bought Android bluetooth keyboard from DX. Will try it out today.
 
Bob
o.O
Juuuuuuuuuuust in case you took me seriously, I was joking.
Damn, we really need a universal text sarcasm indicator.
 
:D !!! I knew your intent.
 
@Bob I will be millionaire then
 
@Boris_yo Step 1: Don't eat, own an animal, have kids, or live in anything larger than a cardboard box.
 
Bob
5:53 PM
@allquixotic Step 2: ???, Step 3: profit!
 
@Bob :D By writing how you can be millionaire too?
 
I have 2 pets. A cat and a server.
 
@allquixotic How can I not eat and have everything else?
 
The latter is the more expensive veterinarian bills.
 
Anyone watched Elysium?
Step 1: Become a porn star!
Step 2: You are millionaire!
I rather sign death warrant.
 
6:00 PM
Anyone know how I can sort a text file, based on the 3rd column? The text file contains MAC addresses (separated by a dash, and starting with a tilde (~)), then the hash tag, then the DNS name I want to sort it by . This all should be done, hopefully, in the bash shell
 
@CanadianLuke Import into excel but change the delimiter to "-" then use that to sort?
or probably openoffice... sounds like a spreadsheet problem to me either way
 
Might work, but if I could script it on the server, I can just add new MAC addresses once a week or so
The Linux box is CLI only
 
otherwise I would probably bash together a quick script in python
 
something to do with cut and grep I'm thinking
would have to see the actual data (or sanitized) to have any clue of what to do
 
Example Line (anonymized):

~AB-CD-EF-01-23-45 # "DNS-NAME" - Dell Inc
There
Always a space around each variable
 
6:04 PM
you only want to sort it by the thing in quotes?
 
That's what I'd like it sorted by... The MAC address sorting would be easy enough, just using the sort command
 
@allquixotic Depends on the brand, but a new car should last at least 25 years. So from 1995 to 2020. (aka at least 6 more years).
 
@Hennes LOL
 
But each DNS name should be unique, and that would help us determine if the systems in question were setup by the techs, or by people purchasing machines and putting them on the network themselves
 
sorry but that's just not true.. maybe certain make/model of car can last that long, but that's a ridiculously long lifespan for 99% of cars
 
6:05 PM
Many iPhones, Androids, and even a Blackberry
 
if you make a car last that long, you'll be paying about 3x as much on repairs as buying a new car
 
BTW: I drive a car from 27 april 1990 (A golf II)
 
Bob
@CanadianLuke well that's easy enough
 
o_O
 
Bob
sort -t'"' -k 2
 
6:08 PM
My mums car is in a worse condition after only 5-ish years.
But in this case the German quality (VolksWagen) was not a lie
 
@Bob ha, didn't realize it was that simple
 
Bob
might require GNU sort, though
I'm not sure if the -t and -k options are in POSIX/UNIX sort (BSDs, Solaris, etc.)
 
FreeBSD has both -k and -t
 
Bob
better demo:
bob@phoebe:~$ cat stest
 ~fw2AB-CD-EF-01-23-45 # "DNS-NAME" - Dell Inc
000 ~AB-CD-EF-01-23-45 # "DNS-NAME" - Dell Inc
999 ~AB-CD-EF-01-23-45 # "ADNS-NAME" - Dell Inc
bob@phoebe:~$ sort -t'"' -k 2 stest
999 ~AB-CD-EF-01-23-45 # "ADNS-NAME" - Dell Inc
 ~fw2AB-CD-EF-01-23-45 # "DNS-NAME" - Dell Inc
000 ~AB-CD-EF-01-23-45 # "DNS-NAME" - Dell Inc
completely ignores the first few chars
 
@Bob That works perfect for what I need!
 
Bob
6:10 PM
you'd be in trouble if you wanted to sort by two fields, though :\
 
Nope, that's perfect! It'll make it easier when I go to add or check the files for certain names :) Thanks
 
Bob
hm. you might want to use -k 2,2 to force it to sort by only that col
just -k 2 sorts from that col to the end of the line
 
OK, random question: when I run cat /etc/watch-ddhcp/white_list.txt | sort -t'"' -k 2 > ~/newList.txt, it works perfectly. Running that from a script, it outputs a blank file. Am I using it wrong?
 
6:47 PM
How do you implement SFTP in windows server
do you know?
 
@meda run an SFTP server. :)
 
ok but how
please lets be serious
 
@meda I am being serious. You didn't provide any criteria whatsoever for your task. There are hundreds of different SFTP servers. Did you try Google?
 
yes I search I read that its not supported by default
Im not sure the best way to do this
I just need secure ftp thats all no other criteria
 
@meda So? Are you only allowed to run software that's part of the core OS? If you're allowed to install software beyond what comes with the OS, you can have your pick of dozens of viable FTP servers -- some free, some not.
@meda "Secure FTP" and "SFTP" are not the same thing.
SFTP is FTP over SSH. Since Windows and SSH don't get along that well without some kind of emulation layer (the Windows builtin terminal does not make POSIX-compliant commands available), you probably don't want SFTP, unless you know that you have clients that are unable to use FTP over SSL, which is called FTPS (or FTPES).
FTPS is very similar in design to, say, HTTPS... the client and server set up an SSLv3 or TLSv1.x tunnel, then the regular old FTP protocol is used within that (encrypted) tunnel. Since there's no SSH involved, it's fairly well-suited to Windows.
That isn't to say you can't run an SFTP (FTP over SSH) server on Windows. But you'd probably end up using something like Cygwin, or paying out the nose for a commercial package.
I would suggest you start here. You need to figure out what your criteria are. You can't have NO criteria. The range of software available is so vast that you need to narrow down your choices.
 
6:57 PM
very very helpful @allquixotic im going through your suggestions
 
@allquixotic whatever you choose, I'd recommend staying far away from OpenSSH, it has serious security vulnerabilities
 
Also, you didn't mention which version of Windows Server you are running, but if you have IIS 7 or later (which I believe comes with Windows Server 2008 R2), it supports FTP + SSL (FTPES) out of the box, so in that case, you just need to activate the role, you don't have to do anything special.
 
2008 R2
 
That's assuming you really don't need FTP over SSH (because I can tell you that if you have no particular preference of FTP over SSH or FTP over SSL, I think the latter is the better choice.)
> IIS 7.5 was included in Windows 7 (but it must be turned on in the side panel of Programs and Features) and Windows Server 2008 R2. IIS 7.5 improved WebDAV and FTP modules as well as command-line administration in PowerShell. It also introduced TLS 1.1 and TLS 1.2 support and the Best Practices Analyzer tool and process isolation for application pools.
TLS is just a newer and more secure version of SSL, so TLS 1.1/1.2 on top of FTP is FTPS.
@Kate Er, what?
Are you sure you aren't confusing OpenSSH with OpenSSL?
Also, many of the OpenSSL security vulnerabilities are being fixed now that it has gotten huge public exposure by way of Heartbleed, so that won't have many holes for long anyway.
I haven't heard of any major vulnerabilities in OpenSSH lately; it's still the standard SSH daemon on RHEL, Debian, Ubuntu, *BSD, etc.
 
@allquixotic thanks... I did mean OpenSSL :(
I am using OpenSSH as an SFTP server on a Windows Server
 
7:06 PM
@meda You should be able to activate FTPS support and make it required so that all FTP connections must be done over TLS. Check here for multiple ways how to do it (if you prefer GUI-driven, scroll down a few pages until you start seeing the screenshots.)
That'll use IIS as your FTPS server. If you already have IIS running for web hosting, it's probably a good idea.
 
I run IIS
so SFTP was not what I need really right
 
@meda You only need SFTP if you know that your clients (only) support SFTP. Many standard FTP clients support both SFTP and FTPS.
FileZilla for instance supports both, so it doesn't really matter which one you install on the server side, in the case of using FileZilla as your FTP client.
 
my clients said they dont want regualr FTP
they just want the data to be encrypterd
 
@meda what version of IIS?
 
@meda That should do the trick, then. Both approaches encrypt the data, just using different protocols.
@Kate he's got to be running at least version 7.5, since he's on Server 2008 R2.
I don't think it's possible to downgrade.
 
7:10 PM
@allquixotic missed that part
 
Iternet Information Services (version 7.5.7600.1685)
thats the version
@allquixotic
 
@meda I agree with @allquixotic that you should be going for FTPS if the client's requirement was "need encryption". If for whatever reason they specifically want SFTP (as was the case with me) this is a good article on setting up an SFTP server on a Windows Server allthingsmarked.com/2006/08/17/…
 
@meda I already know that. I provided you a link to the Microsoft website where the instructions are for installing the FTP support into IIS and then configuring it. I don't know how else to help you. If you try it and you run into problems, let us know. There's really nothing more I can say except that I think it should work for you.
 
Othanks a lot guys
you made it so clear
I have to do my homework now and let you know the outcome
thanks agin
@Kate
Thanks I will check it now
 
Gotta love having >1000 views, only one upvote... Or >25,000 views, 3 upvotes, on questions.
 
7:20 PM
@CanadianLuke ≈ 1 vote/1K views
 
@allquixotic one more question , my client is using a linux process for uploads
 
@Kate except in very, very rare circumstances :P
 
would that woek
it needs to work with linux
 
@allquixotic that's fairly steep
 
and what will be the port
 
7:21 PM
@meda Not enough information. Linux is just a kernel. It is impossible to know without details of what FTP library or command line software your client is using, whether it will be compatible with FTPS.
 
ok
 
That's like saying "I operate a gas station. My client wants to bring a vehicle in to fill it up with fuel. Will you be able to provide fuel that will run in the vehicle?"
 
what bout the port
 
For instance, if the vehicle happens to be an airplane, and you don't have Jet Fuel in your gas station, it may not work.
 
Yes I see what you mean
 
7:23 PM
@meda The port you select to listen on should not matter. Any FTP client should be able to connect on any port; you'll just have to specify the specific port you choose, if it's not the default, to the client.
 
@meda you don't care what the client OS is, they run a client to connect to your FTPS or SFTP Server
 
The default port for FTPS should be 990. The default port for SFTP -- if you choose to use that instead -- should be 22. The default port for unencrypted FTP would be 21 (but you shouldn't run an FTPS or SFTP server on 21, because that would be confusing.)
 
okay I see that for FTPS it needs some SSL
I need to buy a certificate right?
 
@meda It's not required to buy a certificate. The user's client will get a warning that the default or self-signed certificate is not trusted, but they can skip that warning and continue anyway. It will result in slightly reduced security, but it'll still be encrypted.
 
@meda you can go that route or use the or enable SSL support in the IIS where you will be able to generate your own
 
7:30 PM
If you want it to be 100% as secure, but you don't want to pay any money to a public Certificate Authority (CA), you can generate your own Certificate Authority on your server; then generate a key-pair, and share the public key of both the CA and the server with your client.
Your client could then add the keypairs to their FTPS client, and it wouldn't give them any warnings at all, and would provide very strong assurance that they are connecting to YOUR FTPS server, and not a Man in the Middle.
If you were to purchase a certificate from a public CA, the advantage is that you wouldn't have to provide your public certificates to your client using another method (e.g. email), and they wouldn't receive the warning at all.
This is because the public CAs are already trusted by every SSL implementation in the world. (or, they're supposed to be)
 
This is because the public CAs are already trusted by every SSL implementation in the world. (or, they're supposed to be)
 
@allquixotic your link is very informative, but it is for setting up the ftp for site
in my case its for the hard drive no site invloolved
 
@meda Do you really need to give them access to the entire hard drive? Can't you limit their access to some directory?
You can always set up a dummy "site" that isn't hosted on the WWW, but is basically just a directory where they can upload stuff over FTPS.
 
@meda it seems you need to get familiarized with IIS first... I would suggest that you first setup a basic FTP through IIS then work your way up to make it secure.
@meda create a test folder and make it accessible through FTP
 
7:37 PM
I am familiar with IIS
I use it only to host my sites
 
@meda okay, then create an FTP site iis.net/learn/publish/using-the-ftp-service/…
 
okay
 
@meda you mentioned you have a directory that needs to be accessible through the FTP... keep in mind that an IIS site can reside anywhere on the drive
 
okay that make sense
 
@meda after you setup the basic FTP site follow the instructions in iis.net/configreference/system.applicationhost/sites/site/… "HOW TO CONFIGURE SSL OPTIONS FOR AN FTP SITE" section
 
7:50 PM
I've already exceeded my helping people while at work quota for the day, so I'll be popping out for a while
 
@allquixotic not challenging enough for you ;)
 
@Kate not interesting enough, really
 
Bob
@allquixotic ftps and ftp both use multiple ports
One control and one for each data stream
 
8:06 PM
does anybody know if there is a way to send a failure "status" to a running scheduled task?
on Windows Server 2012
 
I know there is field for status on the right
when its not 0x0 then failure
 
Bob
That seems like a rather odd thing to do.
 
I can end it with the command schtasks /End /tn test1 but I can't figure out how to make it fail
 
@Bob aware, but it listens on the control port for new connections.
 
Bob
Maybe if you forced the process to terminate.
 
8:08 PM
@Bob it's another twisted setup :(
 
my mom made a typo in IM that made me laugh
"automomplete" instead of "autocomplete"
in her case it's appropriate!
 
Bob
@allquixotic the other ports could still have implications for firewall config
So worth mentioning imo
c is nowhere near m!
 
it is when you're wearing a brace on one hand, apparently.
 
Bob
O.o
 
8:37 PM
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Q: Add superuser related words to the "correctly spelled" word list.

jAceWould it be possible to add computer related terminology to the list of correctly spelled words? There seems to be a lot of words that are correct that superuser doesn't recognize. Some of them I ran into today: login, subnet, comodo, IP, DNS, DSL, ISP, Powershell, analytics, and I know there's ...

 
...huh
just by reading the question title I thought that would be another "dam-ree fih-buh-fih net-see" (damryfbfnetsi) post
 
@allquixotic a what?
@Bob my family all have HP laptops. Thanks for the link.
 
@MichaelFrank damryfbfnetsi. declined - a moderator reviewed your flag but found no evidence to support it. it's the name of a user. i can't recall his old name. 'g' something.
gparyani -- that was it
 
oooh, yep yep!
I remember him.
Doesn't he have multiple accounts?
 
@MichaelFrank don't think so
GAAAH I now share this user's RANT about idiots deleting their questions when they get an answer!!!!!
 
8:52 PM
I think it should say "User has deleted this question out of shame."
6
 
@MichaelFrank LOL
 
That question left me a little baffled.
 
@allquixotic You should need to read an explanation on why you shouldn't deleted questions then type "I understand" into a text box before you can delete a question with answers that have >-1 votes.
Wow... @Tyson got rolled:
@Tyson You should make this an answer. — krowe Aug 24 at 2:55
(Then check out Tyson's answer)
 
9:20 PM
krowe is very Dunning-Kruger anyway
 
> This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their ineptitude.
2
Harsh.
 
 
1 hour later…
10:32 PM
Just got a Starbucks loyalty card today, which left me wondering: does anybody think it's a good idea to start a project on GitHub documenting the Starbucks ordering language?
 
Bob
@DragonLord That sounds good, except the whole me not drinking coffee part.
 
@Bob I'm just wondering whether GitHub is an appropriate venue for such a project.
 
Bob
shrug
You could just stick it on your blog, I suppose.
 
10:45 PM
Wikia never ceases to amaze me
 
@DragonLord The layout of pretty much every Wikia site is awful however.
And the mobile version is even worse.
 
Sadly, the last edit was almost three weeks ago
 
Bob
Sadly?
Just how often does that change? o.O
 
tinyurl.com/pizzacoupons is a fairly decent example of crowd sourcing deals.
 
11:08 PM
There really needs to be better documentation (community-maintained or otherwise) for the Starbucks ordering language
It'll ultimately bring customers back to Starbucks asking for more, and customers will get the drinks they truly want
Win-win for everyone
 
Make an app!
 
11:53 PM
morning
 
Bob
'lo
 
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