Root Access

12:24 AM

The newer AMD cards are pretty good value at the moment, but when they first came out, they were a lot more expensive cause of demand

Michael Frank

yea, bloody miners!

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank: on the bright side, they'll likely upgrade and you can get cheap, one gen old cards? ;p

PearsonArtPhoto

AX6970 a good buy?

Michael Frank

12:41 AM

@PearsonArtPhoto I've got a 6850 that runs really well. So it's probably not a bad buy.

videocardbenchmark.net/…

It benchmarks slightly lower than the GTX560

PearsonArtPhoto

Hmmmm...

Depends on which 560.

Journeyman Geek

@PearsonArtPhoto: eh, the OC varients (and TOP varients for asus) are just better binned processors

and depends on what you use it for

Michael Frank

Ahh yes, sorry. I have a 560Ti. So I was comparing to that.

PearsonArtPhoto

Well, I've decided it, I'm going with the 6970.

Journeyman Geek

blah

I'm trying to work out if a question is too simple ;p

PearsonArtPhoto

1:00 AM

In the mean time, I just have to glance at my monitor, and kill KSP if the temp gets to be too hot...

Journeyman Geek

o0

PearsonArtPhoto

Waiting just isn't an option...

allquixotic

1:18 AM

@PearsonArtPhoto in Q4 2014 I couldn't recommend buying a VLIW graphics card anymore

too bad if you've already placed the order; but that GPU ISA is just obsolete, sorry

you really need a GCN if you're going with AMD.

which means a 7000 series, 8000 series or R7 / R9 card

(careful with the 7s though, since some of them are re-brands of the VLIW5 chips)

That Brazilian Guy

allquixotic

AMD's Graphics Core Next (GCN) architecture has taken the graphics world by storm; it's currently in the top two premium consoles (the Xbox One and the PS4), and offers a very balanced performance profile, doing very well in physics and bitcoin mining in the GPGPU arena, and shaders in the graphics arena; it's also got the best price-performance ratio available. it's AMD's most significant change to their graphics architecture in 5 years.

having a VLIW5 card that you've owned for a while is fine; that just means you're getting value out of a past purchase... however, buying a new VLIW5 (pre-GCN, that is) card at this time is inadvisable, because it will be obsolete within the lifespan you expect the card to last for, if you purchase cards on a 3 or 4 year cycle.

Journeyman Geek

that worked well. I'm switching between systems sharing the same monitor by turning off the monitor in command line in one, and mouse jiggling the other

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek noice

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: very ugly

and blah, the new box is too nice to use as a stick in a cupboard server.

allquixotic

1:25 AM

stick? cupboard? :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

@allquixotic: figure of speech. Basically as a headless system quietly running stuff without anyone noticing

allquixotic

ahh

3

Michael Frank

I don't have any cupboards with ethernet access. :<

Journeyman Geek

I'll be rebuilding it eventually (stuck one of my old new stock 40gb hard drives on it for now, I'm probably swapping it with a 1tb laptop drive))

@MichaelFrank: I don't either. I should

Bob

...1gb laptop drive?

Is this a laptop from the last millennium?

Journeyman Geek

1:38 AM

my bad.

I was wrong by a factor of... quite a bit

(which, in effect, gives it more storage than the two drives in my current download box)

allquixotic

@Bob XD

Journeyman Geek

hm

ahh intel <3

Michael Frank

1:57 AM

0

Q: Don't know what to do

So I met this guy, a couple weeks ago, he called me pretty and I never met the guy so I rudely ignored him but my brother-in-law is good friends with him and he says he's a good guy etc. after he told me that I looked him up on facebook and decided I would message him and ask if he remembered me,...

internet

uhh...

allquixotic

@MichaelFrank @GFSE @Sathya Uhh... ;-)

Bob

Uhh...

There really isn't any other appropriate response.

Journeyman Geek

should I be baleeting it?

Yes, I should.

Journeyman Geek

2:25 AM

0_0

thats a suprisingly content free answer.

Bob

uh

I just read 100 words.

No idea what they mean.

Journeyman Geek

;p

....

this is one of those days

-1

Q: You can close a list of ports with nmap?

Good day, I have a server on debian 7 which has a number of open ports, of which only occupy 5 closed need everyone else, there is a command to close multiple ports? or I have to close one by one?

debian nmap

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek a day like a Limp Bizkit song?

►

Bob

@JourneymanGeek first comment is more correct than yours - ports are closed unless explicitly opened

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: probably!

Bob

2:37 AM

iptables is used to block ports (or "stealth" them if you use it to drop)

still looks like a closed port externally, I guess

but if they're open it's better to deal with the source :P

Journeyman Geek

mod abused.

;p

Journeyman Geek

3:09 AM

hm

turns out the main source of noise on my old atom now is the PSU

(also mental note. Installing a speed reducer for a chipset fan while the case fan is running is stupid and painful)

and blah, I am dumping ubuntu soon

Bob

Yay!

allquixotic

GET IT OUT! GET IT OUT! (the Ubuntu)

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: don't you even want to know why? ;p

allquixotic

sure, tell me why

Journeyman Geek

acpi bug pegs out the processor at 100%

so I need to run echo disable > /sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe00 each time

allquixotic

3:23 AM

ew

Journeyman Geek

and I had the problem on at least two different versions/releases

Bob

What are you moving to?

Makes me wonder if Debian has the same problem.

Michael Frank

oh wow that guys has a lot of rep!

Bob

?

Michael Frank

Jon Skeet, Reading, United Kingdom

702k 291 4548 5925

c# java .net linq generics asp.net xml

Journeyman Geek

3:27 AM

@Bob: fedora looks good

Bob

You mean rep has a lot of Jon Skeet.

3

allquixotic

I think his goal is to exceed 32-bit Integer.MAX_INT

Journeyman Geek

3:44 AM

@MichaelFrank: !!!!!!

366

Q: Jon Skeet Facts

I'm looking for Chuck Norris Facts style answers. In case anyone is curious, this question was inspired by Jon's own comment to this question. EDIT: If you're into cryptography, you may enjoy these facts. Now with official sanction from the powers that be!

discussion community fun

Bob

7:05 AM

wtf

php's string to date function takes input like "last day of February next year"... and gets it wrong, too

should throw @allquixotic's clients at it

laost die of febuairy next yea

Journeyman Geek

o0

Bob

7:37 AM

Journeyman Geek

7:50 AM

@Bob: ahh, the Wrong brothers.

I just managed to slip a Shakespeare reference into an answer ;p

Bob

8:12 AM

and another cheap tablet that's likely useless: ebay.com.au/itm/261503157490?referrer=swift-widget

Journeyman Geek

o0

Oliver Salzburg

Again with the keyboard at work...

Wow, that question had enough fuel to rep cap him 11 days in a row superuser.com/users/282484/kenneth-l

Psycogeek

i like the last answer, it is a toaster duckey meant to hide out on your system as a kitchen appliance , but really is a key logger.

Journeyman Geek

8:33 AM

@OliverSalzburg: and someone was complaining it wasn't enough on meta

Oliver Salzburg

@JourneymanGeek That's how I got there ;D

Journeyman Geek

9:20 AM

groan

0

A: How do I get a static IP address for my teapot?

I can see that this is based on RFC 2324, published in 1998 and things have moved on quite a lot since then. Have you considered launching it into a cloud environment? The risk is that after you boot it up, that it may crash and be unrecoverable. There's a good chance that even if you do manag...

oh $deity, the puns

Paul

9:33 AM

@Bob Now do it with SAS off

Bob

@jou I honestly hope that remains undeleted - it's beautiful

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I'm going to pointedly ignore it ;p

Psycogeek

but i am going to downvote the next person who has a stupid question about thier refridgerator next :-)

HackToHell

11:55 AM

Bleh System process is hammering my I/O constantly

How do I find out what driver(?) is causing this ?

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell: what OS?

HackToHell

Windows 7

Journeyman Geek

Resource manager?

HackToHell

12:15 PM

Yeah but I have no idea what's causing System to do that much I/O

IT peaks suddenly and dies down in 10-15 mins :/

HackToHell

12:30 PM

2

Bob

12:46 PM

> With its knockout sleek design, Intel® Dual-Core processor and amazing built-in apps, this ultraportable 13.3 Toshiba Chromebook is totally engineered for wildly fast all-day cloud computing - for a very happy price.

> Intel® Celeron® 2955U Processor, 1.4GHz Dual Core
2GB (DDR3L) RAM

!!no

ChatBot John Cavil

allquixotic

1:14 PM

@Bob I read that message from a system with 2 GB of DDR3. :(

Journeyman Geek

1:40 PM

@allquixotic: :(

Journeyman Geek

1:56 PM

blah

I think the cpu on the bay trail isn't supported yet on fedora

allquixotic

er, it should be?!

Journeyman Geek

the heaven benchmark gives me a white screen and glxgears seems vsync locked at 60 fps

allquixotic

oh. you mean the GPU?

better ninja edit / mod abuse your previous statement

also, a low-end Intel iGPU not working on Unigine Heaven is hardly a surprise

Bob

@allquixotic It's more the "wildly fast" in the previous statement

Journeyman Geek

I mean the GPU

oops

allquixotic

2:01 PM

I'd be surprised if Unigine Heaven would run at all even with git master mesa and Linux kernel and Xorg DDX, on Haswell Iris Pro

Journeyman Geek

;p

allquixotic

the FOSS graphics stack is pretty elementary; it always has been -- alpha quality, and always about 5 to 10 years behind the binary blobs

even Intel's proprietary driver on Windows isn't that good compared to Catalyst and Nvidia's driver

Catalyst and Nvidia driver are fairly competitive, but every other GPU driver implementation is years behind both

Journeyman Geek

hmm

allquixotic

also the vsync thing is intentional to prevent tearing, I think

Journeyman Geek

ahh

allquixotic

2:04 PM

it's enforced by the compositing window manager, not by glxgears

Journeyman Geek

ah hah

Its running a DRI driver (good) but KDE's control module for Opengl detects the 3D accelerator as "unknown"

allquixotic

which is not surprising

parsing the OpenGL vendor string is a crapshoot, and Mesa changed theirs recently

recently enough for KDE to bug out when trying to regex it

the OpenGL version string is not supposed to be parsed by a program; it is just an arbitrary string of text returned by calling a function in the OpenGL API

Journeyman Geek

ugh

allquixotic

there are no semantics enforced upon the format of the OpenGL version string

Journeyman Geek

(and this probably shows how long its been since I've used a actual linux install with X)

allquixotic

2:06 PM

it could say "we here at Intel really enjoy the fact that you purchased our CPU! btw, the driver version is zero point three five, or thereabouts"

or it could say "AMD FGLRX 14.06"

or it could say "I jump on grapes five times a week!"

2

Journeyman Geek

lol

hm. I probably shouldn't be expecting this to behave as well as my nvidia, yes :/

allquixotic

you could file a bug on the bugtracker that mesa uses, but I have a feeling that the issue you have with Unigine Heaven is due to entire swaths of missing functionality in the driver itself, rather than being hardware-specific

Journeyman Geek

ya ;p

I think the fact that I'm using opengl 3.1, direct rendering and composited desktops working should mean that things are working

allquixotic

even the highest-end Intel GPUs, even the ones that haven't been released yet but already have a huge amount of driver support in the open source graphics stack (Intel employees contribute code for unreleased GPUs), are still sitting somewhere between OpenGL 2.1 and 3.0 support

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic If I'd expect anyone in RA to jump at grapes, it would be @Bob, not you

Journeyman Geek

2:15 PM

this seems to support 3.0

allquixotic

at this point a full OpenGL 4.0 implementation with relatively few defects is probably 5 years off for the open source graphics stack

Journeyman Geek

ow

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek the declared OpenGL version is completely separate from what the driver actually supports

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: ....

ITS ALL LIES.

allquixotic

from what I recall, the Mesa OpenGL core supports the 3.0 profile fairly well (but with bugs in specific drivers and many performance issues), but the real problem is the extensions

Bob

2:16 PM

@ThatBrazilianGuy specist :(

allquixotic

there's the core OpenGL API, which is useful enough but doesn't let you get the most performance out of your card... then there are the extensions, most of which are invented by Nvidia and AMD and published in muttering, vague specifications on the Khronos website (some not even published at all)

big projects like the Unigine engine will use these extensions liberally to get higher-end graphics and perf

Journeyman Geek

ahh

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob I am no specist! I treat all dogs, foxes, cats, racoons and even yellowballs of the chat room all the same!

Journeyman Geek

maybe I'm asking the wrong question

allquixotic

the open source graphics stack can, and does, implement many many OpenGL extensions

but it's still years behind supporting most or all the ones the binary blobs do

Journeyman Geek

2:18 PM

"How do I check that that I'm using the 'right' driver, and I have any opengl support at all?" ;p

allquixotic

there aren't enough people working on the FOSS driver stack for it to ever catch up

@JourneymanGeek if glxinfo doesn't say something like softpipe or llvmpipe or throw an obvious error, you have hardware OpenGL support.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: I was under the impression intel did put quite a lot of resources into it, other than the powerVR based cards

ahh

allquixotic

is this the latest release of Fedora?

Journeyman Geek

yeah

allquixotic

just making sure, because every 6 months the open source graphics stack advances as much as cars advance in 15 years

Journeyman Geek

2:19 PM

I'm running FC20, and I'm not uncertain about it

allquixotic

despite the fact that Mesa makes tons of (rapid!) progress every month on improving the drivers (fixing bugs, adding features, performance optimizations, etc), the binary blob teams are still moving much faster than Mesa, which means they'll never catch up

Journeyman Geek

(even if the codename is heisenburg)

allquixotic

you have to be that xkcd "cake is a lie" guy to really use the FOSS driver stack

Journeyman Geek

lol

allquixotic

!!xkcd lie

Journeyman Geek

2:20 PM

assuming there's any linux games that old!

allquixotic

Portal 1 works well on the FOSS stack

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob See, now I'm an animal too (A Brazilian animal, nonetheless!)

ChatBot John Cavil

I remember trying to log in to the original Command and Conquer servers a year or two back and feeling like I was knocking on the boarded-up gates of a ghost town.

Journeyman Geek

I'll try it when I manage to work out how to install steam on fedora ;p

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy no less*

allquixotic

2:23 PM

basically any first-generation Source Engine game will run at 60 FPS on a high-end Intel chip on the FOSS stack. Example: Iris Pro 5200. Bay Trail, probably not, because of hardware limitations (few Execution Units), but Iris Pro could definitely tackle it. EASILY.

Journeyman Geek

and I really need to get a decent wireless mouse/keyboard bundle. The tiny keyboard and ancient mouse I use on it are killing me

allquixotic

Valve helped Intel and VMware fix bugs in Mesa and DRM to support the source engine better :)

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: hm. glquake!

allquixotic

and yes, VMware. Brian Paul, the original author of Mesa, works for VMware after they purchased Tungsten Graphics

VMware continues to be a major contributor to Mesa and the FOSS graphics stack in general

Journeyman Geek

dosen't tungsten graphics write drivers for intel?

allquixotic

2:24 PM

(it also helps VMware support 3d acceleration in Linux guests)

Journeyman Geek

ah hah!

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek Tungsten Graphics is no longer a company.

they use their company name in some old drivers though ;p

also, "Gallium3d" is a technology that was invented at Tungsten before it was purchased by VMware

all FOSS graphics drivers except Intel's driver use Gallium3d

Gallium3d is basically a userspace library that implements a bunch of common infrastructure to reduce the amount of lines of code required to create a graphics driver for new hardware

Intel thought their approach was better, so whatever

fortunately Gallium3d has no impact on the Linux kernel, so there is one, unified, Direct Rendering Manager stack in the kernel that handles the low-level device specifics and provides the userspace libdrm library, which is called by both Gallium and non-Gallium drivers

the benefit of Gallium is that you can write a minimally working, slow but functional OpenGL 2.1 driver for new hardware with about 2000 lines of code in userspace, plus around 10-15k in the Linux kernel (Gallium doesn't help with the complexity on the kernel side, unfortunately) -- by comparison, a minimal bringup on Intel's driver would require about 20 times more code in userspace

the drawback of Gallium is that it imposes a bit of overhead

Intel's driver doesn't use Gallium so it doesn't eat that overhead, but it also doesn't get OpenGL extensions implemented only on top of Gallium.

of which a few exist, thanks to AMD's driver being on Gallium, and the AMD employees contributing to the FOSS stack writing many extensions for their driver :P

Journeyman Geek

... 2008?

damn, I'm out of touch

allquixotic

so basically, in the kernel, there is one unified architecture that all FOSS drivers share, and implement their own hardware-specific bits on top of; in userspace, there are two architectures, one built around Gallium, which supports a wide variety of hardware (with short, but significant, bits of hardware-specific code tacked on), and another that Intel rolled on their own that ONLY works with Intel hardware

also, some random guy decided he wanted to try and write a Gallium driver for Intel's hardware, and got far enough that Sandy Bridge hardware was running quite well, but Intel never adopted it and he eventually abandoned it, so it doesn't work on Ivy Bridge, Haswell, Bay Trail, etc

that driver is called "i915g" and I don't recommend trying it. it was a good idea though

Journeyman Geek

"some random guy" ...

allquixotic

2:32 PM

yeah, some developer :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

allquixotic

a smart guy but not an Intel employee

Journeyman Geek

Yeah, that happens a lot ;p

allquixotic

even though Intel has quite a few people contributing to the FOSS graphics stack, I think eventually the combined contributions of AMD and Red Hat and VMware are going to make Gallium a simply more featureful architecture, and Intel will have increasing pressure to adopt it.

AMD's driver is already quite good on modern (GCN, even) cards

I think it can run Unigine Heaven

Journeyman Geek

Nvidia's linux drivers are great when they work.

allquixotic

2:34 PM

and by "AMD's driver" I mean their Gallium-based driver (FOSS)

just to give you a sense, there are maybe 20 people combined between Intel, AMD, VMware and Red Hat working on the FOSS graphics stack full-time or near-full-time, plus 2 or 3 people who are not even employed but just contribute for fun and prestige

AMD and Nvidia EACH employ around 80 people for their Catalyst and Nvidia binary drivers, respectively

and that's a low estimate. it's probably more like 120

Journeyman Geek

ahh

allquixotic

also? the proprietary blob teams get to start supporting new hardware basically on the same day that the hardware engineer team has decided "OK, we've completed the hardware<->software interface; we'll start implementing the card and maybe look to get first silicon next year"

so the proprietary teams are writing drivers against hardware that's just a fantasy while the FOSS folks are still trying to support 5 year old hardware

I bet AMD's team this year is working on driver bringup for chips that have never been fabricated with a 2017 or 2018 planned release date

testing with a hardware simulator

Journeyman Geek

0_0

allquixotic

graphics drivers have more engineering effort going into them than even Windows or Office or things like stock market software... there's just an insane amount of complexity there

Journeyman Geek

yeah

allquixotic

2:39 PM

there was a SLOC comparison somewhere on a blog that said Catalyst has more SLOC than Windows 8.1 :P

it's basically its own operating system

Journeyman Geek

they're essentially pocket supercomputers ;p

allquixotic

right now the FOSS driver compared to Catalyst is like comparing ReactOS to Windows 8.1

is it the same idea? sure. is it equally as fleshed out? hell no.

Journeyman Geek

hm. I need to check on that

allquixotic

on what?

Journeyman Geek

ROS?

allquixotic

2:44 PM

oh. what's to check on?

Journeyman Geek

It feels like its hardly moved though

allquixotic

it sucks

Journeyman Geek

;p

it does

allquixotic

it has like 2-3 people contributing to it and it isn't improving

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: they had a drama attack too

allquixotic

2:44 PM

at least there's hope for Mesa to eventually become good, as Linux gains adoption, maybe Valve will get involved in driver writing, etc

Journeyman Geek

I used to be totally nuts about odd OSes ;p

allquixotic

also Mesa is improving at a pretty fast rate, sometimes it improves at a faster rate than the standards bodies can chunk out new standards

@JourneymanGeek now you just lend your ear to OTHER PEOPLE who are nuts about odd OSes, like SmartOS, and go "hmm, that's a good idea :D"

I fail to see any improvement ;p

Journeyman Geek

so I had a ROS VM (and a buncha other odd ones. Even got BeOS running at one point)

@allquixotic: I don't consider SmartOS odd tho

It has some ideas I find interesting

allquixotic

yeah, SmartOS is a bit different from ReactOS in that it actually does most things well, and doesn't have any huge gaping holes or stability problems

it's based on a production-grade server OS that's very old, and polished

Journeyman Geek

yup

allquixotic

2:49 PM

that's why Jonathan I. Schwartz is one of my favorite CEOs of all time, and I really really wish Sun had continued to be a thought leader among big software corps rather than getting bought and strip-mined by Oracle

Journeyman Geek

oracle is just plain evil

allquixotic

the open source push within Sun was championed by Jonathan

he seems like a really genuine guy and wasn't just CEO to pocket money and buy an island

he had ideals

Jonathan I. Schwartz

Jonathan Ian Schwartz (born October 20, 1965) is an American businessman. He is currently President, and Chief Executive Officer of CareZone. Before founding CareZone, Schwartz had a nearly 15 year tenure with Sun Microsystems, culminating in his serving as CEO just prior to and during the company's battle for survival during the American financial crisis, and its subsequent acquisition by Oracle. He was also the founder and Chief Executive Officer of Lighthouse Design, Ltd., a software company focused on Apple's NeXTSTEP platform, which was ultimately acquired by Sun in 1996. == Background... ==

Journeyman Geek

lol

I was reading that

allquixotic

> As CEO of Sun, Schwartz was known as one of the few Fortune 500 CEO's to use a blog for public communications. He was recognized for his efforts to bring greater transparency into the corporate world, and managed a public exchange with SEC Chairman Christopher Cox about the use of websites and blogs for the dissemination of financial information[6] to meet Regulation Fair Disclosure.[7]

Schwartz generally believed the internet, and Sun's web presence on it, was a far more fair and efficient vehicle for the dissemination of Sun's financial information - as opposed to the expensive, and pr…

hard to argue with that

Braiam

@JourneymanGeek Haiku... Haiku...

Journeyman Geek

2:53 PM

@Braiam: Yeah, I need to set one of those up again

allquixotic

Oracle buying FOSS-friendly Sun just because of a temporary recession is like Luke converting to the Dark Side because his dad cut off his arm

Journeyman Geek

haiku is probably the most mature/viable of the oddballs.

@allquixotic: sadly business dosen't always make sense

Braiam

!! s/business/humanity/

ChatBot John Cavil

@Braiam @allquixotic: sadly humanity dosen't always make sense (source)

Bob

O_O

4

Q: Are sharks a threat to undersea cables?

Slate published an article recently, titled The Global Internet Is Being Attacked by Sharks, Google Confirms. Despite being catchy and all, most of the references seem to be other news outlets or actually contradict the claim. Are there any sources supporting or contradicting that sharks are a t...

internet oceanography networks

Braiam

2:56 PM

@Bob short answer: yup

Journeyman Geek

"And since fibre-optic cables generate a stronger electrical field than the copper cables that preceded them, it might be enough to trigger the shark's hunting instinct."

whut?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek yea, I was wondering about that too

> fibre-optic cables generate a stronger electrical field than the copper cables that preceded them would you mind providing a source for that? Intuition would have me believe that optical cables don't generate an electrical field. — Bob 30 secs ago

> iPhone 4s has a 3.5-inch Retina display, an 8-megapixel iSight camera with 1080p HD video recording, a FaceTime camera and a long battery life.

Rename all the things!

Translation: "iPhone 4s has a 3.5-inch high-density display, an 8-megapixel camera with 1080p HD video recording, a front-facing (or video-calling) camera and a long battery life."

allquixotic

Hmm. Noob programming question. I have a list of pseudorandom numbers. I want to "coalesce" any consecutive numbers into a range of numbers. Ruby supports the Range data type that has a min and max (inclusive); I want to use that. Is the most efficient way to do it, to quicksort the list, then walk through it linearly, then do a "mark" when you find a new non-consecutive number, and keep going as long as the next number is sequential, then stop and "mark" the end of the sequence,

then add that Range to the array of ranges?

e.g. [ 57, 11, 100, 40, 7, 12, 2, 99, 98, 3, 8, 17, 13] would become: [2..3, 7..8, 11..13, 40, 47, 57, 98..100].

That Brazilian Guy

Good action of the day: Someone from the media department, with purchase desicion power, just asked me if it was better to purchase $11k cameras for recording in high-res or normal $3k cameras that record in a lower res. The goal is exclusively mid-to-low res online streaming.

I think I just saved my institution pockets some $20k

Now it can go to some politician's pockets instead. Yay.

Journeyman Geek

3:12 PM

lol

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy you should at least get a $2 plaque to hang on your wall for being a bom samaritao!

(total guess on "samaritao" but I found google hits on it O_O)

That Brazilian Guy

!! s/samaritao/samaritano/

ChatBot John Cavil

@ThatBrazilianGuy (total guess on "samaritano" but I found google hits on it O_O) (source)

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: then you find out, its a fried snack ;p

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek mmmm, samaritaos! they sound like crunchy things. do-gooders are always crunchy.

That Brazilian Guy

3:15 PM

@allquixotic "Fallacy" tottally sounds like something that goes on a salad. I bet they taste great in onlive oil!

Journeyman Geek

;p

allquixotic

onlive oil.... the stuff they use to convince people to buy their awful service?

That Brazilian Guy

(At least in Portuguese. "Falácia" sounds too much like "Alface" (lettuce))

@allquixotic Onlive Oil is just like Snake Oil, but if you spray it on your console it lets you play games.

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy a straw man is a fallacy; if the straw were made out of fresh grass instead of dried, it could make a decent salad with olive oil :)

....for a cat

cats love grass. it isn't really digestible for humans IIRC

!! s/cat/minnow/

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic minnows love grass. it isn't really digestible for humans IIRC (source)

allquixotic

3:18 PM

I call my cat a minnow because when she turns her body from head to tail she looks like a fish doing the same

I call my cat all kinds of silly things

few of them make any sense

That Brazilian Guy

If I ever have a cat I'll name him "Gato". It means "cat".