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That Brazilian Guy

3:00 PM

A new SE gem for @sathya:

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A: Is it okay to use an office printer to print personal documents?

Capitalism has no notion of morality. Therefore, if you, as a slave, see a possibility of using your master's printer then go ahead use and abuse it and if they object tell them that you are not their slave you are a free man and bang on the printer with your fist.

@ThatBrazilianGuy Screenshot it before it gets deleted :P

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@Bob emailed them -- we'll see what they say :P

it would be nice if they say "Yes, it will work fine in an x4 slot or even PCIe 2.0, but PCIe 3.0 x8 is required for the maximum possible throughput, which you'd get if you had multiple SSDs or more than 4 fast HDDs connected to the array" or something like that.

after all, the 8405 can push a beastly 12 Gb/s o_O

but there's simply no way that 4 x 7200 RPM HDDs are going to ever approach that throughput

the cache NAND could, I'm sure, but even if it only gets 4 or 6 Gb/s I'll be happy

I got my Gtx 508 working again for now

what are some tests I can run to see how it is doing?

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@Vader only 508? that's 72 less than a 580! ;-)

*580 ;-)

That Brazilian Guy

3:07 PM

@ChatBotJohnCavil Yeah but some webcams suck at 320 x 240 with low color depth, no zoom control and terrible light sensitivity

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@Vader 3dmark is kind of the most famous 3d benchmark. it can easily cause a "marginal" card that's dying to actually die, though, because it runs your card so hard

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ He removed 72 of its execution cores!

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@Bob using his light saber?

^^ probably true

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well now, we have no further questions about why your card has been acting up

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3:08 PM

Anyone else using an Nvidia card?

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Vader lost at a game, got angry, and gave his card "the Grip"

the board started to deform...

@Vader Ya.

That Brazilian Guy

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ GeForce GTX 508 Sith Edition TM (C) (R)

Actually I just re-applied the thermal paste

Currently using a 560, with a (jet-engine-volume) 560Ti sitting in a drawer.

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3:09 PM

@ThatBrazilianGuy You DON'T know the POWER of the CUDA side.

are you using the 340 driver?

That Brazilian Guy

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ GDDR, I am your father!

is it possible for cuda cores to die? I know cars can lose horses

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> buys card

> notices it doesn't work

YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!!!!!!!!!!

That Brazilian Guy

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Wrong movie! If you're the chosen one, there is ~~no spoon~~ no card. (That, or you bought it off eBay).

3:11 PM

@Vader Not sure. I'd have to get out of bed to check...

I'm using the previous WHQL drivers.

Haven't updated to latest yet.

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@Vader well, the card isn't fault-tolerant against any CUDA core failures, so if a CUDA core were to fail for some reason, the GPU would likely just stop working entirely

I wonder if I should rollback

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or report very unreliable results

@Vader stop dicking with it! you have it booted, right?

LEAVE IT ALONE!

@Vader It's a good idea to uninstall the drivers, restart, uninstall, etc., until they're all gone

I am using it right now

3:13 PM

I've found sometimes the older version stays on there for some reason. And they reappear after uninstalling the newer ones and restarting.

hmm

Actually fixed some instability issues by doing that a couple years ago :\

maybe I need a new GPU

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@Vader if you're using it right now, why would you think that? as long as it continues to work and doesn't have any artifacts or crash, whatever the problem was, you've fixed it

maybe I will rollback to 373, but for now, we wait

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3:14 PM

just run a few games, play a few videos, see what happens, and take note of every action you take so you can attempt to reproduce the issue

don't just do random stuff then come back here and say "it broke and I have no idea what happened!"

keep a record of everything -- either mentally, or write it down

That Brazilian Guy

Whys is apt telling me there's no update for FF 27 on Ubuntu 12.04?!

Are my sources.list wonky?

well it is 44 on idle

TIL contacts are stored in /system partition of Android

not sure if that is good or bad

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@ThatBrazilianGuy dunno

3:15 PM

And I just formatted it :'(

@ThatBrazilianGuy 12.04 is LTS.

That Brazilian Guy

@HackToHell So any apps with contact access require system permissions?

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@Vader on a modern high-end GPU, you have nothing to worry about until your temps reach 90 Celsius or so

You'll get security and maybe some bugfix patches.

You don't get feature patches on LTS, usually.

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ I once hit 120C

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3:16 PM

@Bob doesn't matter -- Ubuntu updates certain "blessed" applications to the latest version constantly, as long as the release is supported

doing 3d rendering

@ThatBrazilianGuy That's stupid, it must be in /data

part of my GPU is molten and cracked

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@Bob as I just linked above, FF is up to 31 in precise-updates -- see here packages.ubuntu.com/precise-updates/web/firefox

But I formatted my /system and all my contacts are gone

@Vader huh

3:16 PM

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Eh, I never really looked into that.

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@Vader why didn't you mention this before? and the 120 C time? that's obviously the cause of your issues

> guy has damaged GPU

> waits until his second or third day to tell us

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ChatBot John Cavil

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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

now I'm going to sound like a broken record: every single time you tell me anything about your GPU, I'm going to say "your GPU is damaged. you must replace it if you want true stability again."

*puts that sentence on the clipboard in preparation*

Surprised there wasn't a thermal cutoff/shutdown.

3:18 PM

^^ me too

I blame linux mint

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ It's not necessarily damaged, but it's quite likely.

on windows it shuts down at 99C

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@Bob if it spiked suddenly, the firmware may not have had a chance to detect the thermal buildup until it was too late

@Vader Thermal shutdowns should have nothing to do with software.

Properly implemented thermal shutdowns should be controlled purely by hardware and/or firmware.

Preferably, pure hardware.

it is not too bad I think

I mean it is working now

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3:19 PM

@Vader obviously it is too bad if you're having severe stability problems

I was going to replace this with a 760

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@Vader well, run some stuff and see if it breaks... that's the only way to know

if you start getting BSODs or system reboots or shutdowns or TDRs, you know why

the evidence is staring you in the face: your GPU is damaged. you must replace it if you want true stability again.

That Brazilian Guy

4 mins ago, by Vader

part of my GPU is molten and cracked

2 mins ago, by Bob

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ It's not necessarily damaged, but it's quite likely.

!!no

no fixitforme.exe?

ChatBot John Cavil

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3:20 PM

@Vader software doesn't work that way

at least, not until I can command remote-controlled nanobots at your location from here to go in and repair your board

That Brazilian Guy

WHAT!? You mean I can't download a new i7 for my desktop?! O_o

I will play some minesweeper

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that is an awful test

play an actual 3d game, put some load on it

not FurMark (please don't try FurMark on a damaged GPU; it's practically a death sentence)

what do you recommend?

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but something that will at least make it render 3d

That Brazilian Guy

3:22 PM

> I will play some minesweeper

My troll alert is beginning to tingle.

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what about a unity online game?

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@Vader a 3d game! you know, a game? download Steam and run something, anything... Wolfenstein: The New Order? Dawngate? Mass Effect? Hearthstone? DotA 2?

the Unity engine is sufficiently demanding as to be an alright test.

unity online game --> alright, I'll go along with that

uggh

I hate installing games

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@Vader you don't ever play any games? yet you're concerned about not having a high-end GPU?

1GB/32GB ........

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ I do play games, but I am trying to avoid that now

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3:25 PM

@Vader do you have nothing installed already?

@Vader developer.mozilla.org/ms/demos/detail/flight-of-the-navigator

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@Bob nice find :D

Very lightweight 3D rendering.

See if that works, at the very least, before trying anything more demanding.

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yeah, try that demo on a modern version of Firefox or Chrome

Firefox 30+ / Chrome 35+ should work just fine

(You'll want to make sure 3D acceleration is enabled. Make sure GPU load is going up on Afterburner.)

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ That was designed for FF4 :P

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3:27 PM

@Bob heh. I'm getting solid 60 FPS at work on WebGL / FF 31 with mid-2014 Nvidia ODE driver (333?) on an NVS 300.

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Oh, you finally updated the driver?

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but it's still rendering, so it counts

how do I see the fps

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@Bob yeah, I told you that a while ago :P I bit the bullet

no boots on the ground to take me away yet

62C

3:28 PM

@Vader The FPS isn't important right now. What's important is that nothing looks weird or crashes and the GPU load % is up.

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amazingly, Microsoft Lync 2013 is still bafflingly slow, even with the updated driver, and it seems to be using hardware-accelerated WPF or Direct2D (or both) for its completely custom UI

@Vader 62 C is fine. keep running it

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ I remember this used to lag heavily back then :P

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@Bob yup. it was JS and GC related lag IIRC.

The Core2Duo machine I was running might have had something to do with it too.

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the JS/GC stuff is totally reworked since

3:29 PM

the fan doesn't like to kick in until 85C

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@Vader the fan's speed is regulated by firmware to keep the temps under control... and 85 C is nothing to worry about

once you start to approach the boiling point of water, then I'd get worried

btw I am using chrome, that does not matter right?

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@Vader shouldn't matter

Google also has some WebGL demos, IIRC.

Doesn't really matter, though, any standards-compliant browser should work.

does the demo end?

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3:32 PM

@Vader dunno, but when you're doing a stability test, you should be monitoring the GPU temperature and looking at the screen for a couple of minutes to make sure there are no "artifacts" (random miscolored dots or squares on the screen, no incorrectly rendered lines being drawn out to the horizon, etc)

it foes

After a while. There's a timer bar up at the top.

You can also try this WebGL game: developer.mozilla.org/ms/demos/detail/bootcamp-webgl

It's more recent, and should be more intensive.

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66 C at about 50% GPU utilization with a very gentle ramp up in fan speed.... looks healthy to me

Or this one, the screenshot looks pretty intensive: developer.mozilla.org/ms/demos/detail/bananabread

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3:34 PM

would be interesting to see what happens when you run a program at 100% GPU utilization

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ This is only medium load, though.

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ugh I hate the chrome bezel on the Galaxy S5 -- it reminds me of the 1960s in its design, and it is an absolute magnet for dirt and fingerprints and finger oils

and it's hard to clean without the phone slipping out of your hand

That Brazilian Guy

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Q: apt says there are no new upgrades to firefox 27

Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS. Firefox 27.0. apt-get install firefox says it is already the latest version. I know it is not true. I have precise, precise-backports, precise-security and precise-updates on my sources.list (full contents here). I performed (apparently successfuly) and apt-get update and sti...

apt packages package-management

I tried the bootcamp one

now onto the one bob posted

hmm

not sure if this is the game or the GPU

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uh

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

3:40 PM

that looks rather broken

try firefox 31 for comparison

6 mins ago, by Bob

Or this one, the screenshot looks pretty intensive: https://developer.mozilla.org/ms/demos/detail/bananabread

Try that, it's more mature.

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@Bob I think that is the one he is trying

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Really? Looks more like the one above it.

I will try a unity game

Oh so it is.

Whoops.

hm

3:44 PM

Morning all

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makeuseof.com/tag/…

@CanadianLuke Morning. 2am to be precise.

temperatures nominal , roger seems to be fine for now

thanks

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob 2 AM? In what parallel universe do you live in?

@ThatBrazilianGuy Australia.

That Brazilian Guy

3:46 PM

Kangaroos are messing up with time, I bet.

That's fine, I won't hold it against you...

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Hm. Makes me wonder if I can turn a cheap Android device (got a $40 tablet here...) into a Bluetooth keyboard adapter.

Bluetooth mechanical keyboard :D

shouldn't your profile picture be a monster spider or deadly jellyfish?

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@Bob distinct possibility

bbl

3:48 PM

Things that annoy me: installers that hardcode paths.

C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\? What is Common Files?

@Bob It was a throwback to Windows 9x, when different Windows programs would share data between each other, without using OLE

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not only data but DLLs, OCXes and TLBs

a versioning nightmare :D

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: so... USB OTG keyboard -> bluetooth device emulating a HID? o0

Hm, turns out it's actually a known folder.

I retract my earlier comment about hardcoding :P

@JourneymanGeek ya.

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that remote keyboard seems insanely insecure though -- telnet protocol, in the clear, with a "password" you can set, and it listens on 0.0.0.0

That Brazilian Guy

3:53 PM

!!wiki USB OTG

ChatBot John Cavil

USB On-The-Go, often abbreviated to USB OTG or just OTG, is a specification first used in late 2001, that allows USB devices such as digital audio players or mobile phones to act as a host, allowing other USB devices like a USB flash drive, digital camera, mouse, or keyboard to be attached to them. Use of USB OTG allows these devices to switch back and forth between the roles of host and client devices. For instance, a mobile phone may read from removable media as the host device, or present itself as a USB Mass Storage Device when connected to a host computer. In other words, USB On-The-Go...

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i'd at least want it to listen on ipv6

Journeyman Geek

lol

@ThatBrazilianGuy: oh, had an interview today. Read up a little ;p

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:16885125 his interview for the job he's been saying he'll get for 8 months ;-)

Journeyman Geek

lol

naw, sorta gave up on google ;p

this is something else

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3:55 PM

lol, someone edited the wiki article about cloning based on my talk comment today :P

> Dolly was named after Dolly Parton because the cells cloned to make her were from a mammary gland cell.

Journeyman Geek

lol

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news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/22/…

> Dr Wilmut also revealed the thinking behind the sheep's name: "Dolly is derived from a mammary gland cell and we couldn't think of a more impressive pair of glands than Dolly Parton's."

I can understand why wiki would not want to paste or paraphrase that into the article

o.O

Journeyman Geek

lol

I remember that

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now, regarding USB OTG, I have a question... can any modern phones (Galaxy S5 plz?) support charging while also being connected to a hub of peripheral devices?

mouse/keyboard/stuff -> hub -> OTG cable + somehow charge the phone

3:59 PM

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ I believe so, but it requires a rather special cable

shop.valarm.net/products/…

Tested with S3 and S4 only so far, but S5 should work

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@Bob nice! considering the S2 didn't work and then the 3 and 4 did, hopefully they continue the trend into the S5 with the same support.

> we had to buy 50,000 custom resistors to have this cable manufactured

sounds like they know WTF they're doing

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Not really... why on earth would you need custom resistors?

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@Bob preventing power from looping back to the peripheral side? preventing the device from being discharged by the host? preventing the handset from trying to power the side that's trying to provide power to it? negotiating this awkward circuit with at least nominal safety?

I don't know how this works but I'm sure if you drew a circuit diagram you would have a use case for needing a resistor since this isn't just a straight through USB cable

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ But why not just use standard resistors? What can be customised about a resistor?

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@Bob size, ohm rating, whether it's a variable resistor or a fixed resistor, whether it's carbon film based or metal oxide based (or something else entirely), etc...?

That Brazilian Guy

4:05 PM

@JourneymanGeek Well, good luck then!

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I can't tell from the wording on the site whether they mean "we had to get someone to manufacture resistors with different characteristics than all the other resistors that you can just order retail", or if by "custom" they simply mean that they hand-picked an item from an electronics shop's catalog and bought 50k of them

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Yea, but they're all available standard.

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ I interpreted it as the former :P

Journeyman Geek

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ You wouldn't use a resistor for that.

You'd use a diode

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the holy grail would be to also combine that with MHL, somehow

cirago.com/mhl4300.php + shop.valarm.net/products/… -- possible? :P

or is someone going to make me talk to the no cat for even contemplating it

amazon.com/EEEKit-Samsung-Smartphone-Cellphone-Converter/dp/…

Journeyman Geek

ALL THE CABLES!

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4:25 PM

samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/ET-H10FAUWESTA + shop.valarm.net/products/… maybe. not sure if enough bandwidth

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Doesn't MHL use a different connector?

it still work

idleing at 43

nice

Last time I install mint on my pc

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@Bob no, you plug the MHL cable into the S5's USB/MHL port, then you plug the Y cable into the microUSB port of the MHL cable. it's physically sound, but I have NO idea what would happen

o.O

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hell, even if it's electrically sound, the S5's firmware may just not want to do MHL and OTG at the same time.

4:41 PM

Got my iFixit toolkit in this morning

microsoft has fixitforme

Well, my old computer shop stopped fixing Apple products once I left... And I was kinda forced to do it anyways

Once word got out, the only "official" Apple repair depot in my city sent their stuff to me to fix

But, I guess I can start up again :P

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@CanadianLuke lolwut

A place called London Drugs, a chain store in Canada. They're all "Apple Certified" (as a chain)

They didn't have any Apple techs on staff. I was never certified, I just read manuals on iFixIt.com

Word got out, and they sent me stuff they needed "fast"

1 hour later…

5:59 PM

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there was thermal paste on the bottom of my GPU

i think it was there from the 1st time I cleaned ym GPU

it was connecting to pieces by the looks of it

6:10 PM

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6:23 PM

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Man I need to install a userstyle that hides gifs in this room when I'm at work. The whole screen is gifs!

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@nhinkle right-click, remove object

Anyhow, apparently Lenovo shipped us a desktop that was ordered with a high-end AMD GPU with a 3 year old low-end GPU instead. The IT tech is livid and has been on the phone all morning getting more and more pissed at Lenovo as they keep shifting blame around.

lol

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@nhinkle they did exactly the same when I ordered a "1920x1200" screen on my T530, but they shipped me a 1366x768

6:30 PM

I have a high tech lenovo laptop with a 240

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I came to find out that I paid the price that would fit the 1366x768, but their website was fucked up and shipped me the wrong thing

and an ssd that is too small to install windows on

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ at least they currently sell 1366x768's on that model, it's not like somebody grabbed 3 year old stock and tried to ship it as a new card.

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@nhinkle they told me they wouldn't concede to give me the 1920x1200 model (it was really 1920x1080) and I had to either live with my purchase or process a refund then re-place a new order paying the price for the 1080p screen

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ did they ever resolve it?

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

6:32 PM

I told them how upset I was that I had to wait 3 weeks for them to ship me something that I didn't order

they simply refused to budge

I still haven't spent a penny on Lenovo since that incident, and have no plans to do so

call you bank, dispute it

At that point I would've just returned it and bought from a different company.

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@Vader it was years ago

should have done it then

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@nhinkle I couldn't do without the machine -- I actively needed it

6:32 PM

@Vader Why did you edit out this? I starred that JPEG instead

also is it still in warranty?

Oooh yeah, credit card chargeback is a good threat too.

oops

I meant to post both

but alright

both are great

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well I definitely won't be buying Lenovo again

"Well VISA, see, Lenovo told me - it's right here on the invoice - they were sending me a 1920x1200 screen, and they didn't, so looks like fraud to me. They refuse to fix it."

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6:33 PM

my next laptop/tablet/ultrabook stuffs are going to be either Dell or Microsoft (Surface Pro series, or Alienware, or Dell XPS)

if it is in warranty, smash it and get a new one

@Vader warranty != accidental damage coverage

"accident", not my fault

internal combustion

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@nhinkle Lenovo would say they are "willing" to fix it but that I'd have to get all my money refunded, then place a new order to pay the price of the better screen

plenty of stuff to tell them

6:35 PM

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ that doesn't sound like fixing it to me, but I've never done a CC chargeback, so I'm not sure what their rules are.

@nhinkle We had a half-finished one :P

@Vader most warranties have a clause that if they determine the damage was not due to defects in material/workmanship they don't cover it. Intentional damage is fairly obvious.

github.com/Elusive138/SE-Chat-SFW-OneBoxes

well I am sure you can come up with something

@OliverSalzburg did a lot more on it than I did :P

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6:36 PM

@nhinkle furthermore, they determine whether it was your fault or not at their sole discretion and it's indisputable by you

if they say "you did it", that's it -- you can't say "wait a minute, no I didn't!" -- it's right there in the warranty contract

I am not saying you should staple your screen.

. i.imgur.com/WdbLYkF.gif

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it's to the point where warranties are basically useless -- the company is under no obligation to be even slightly fair or unbias with respect to determining "gee, maybe this WAS our fault?" -- they can just blame everything on you and claim they sent a perfect device and you fouled it up

insurance / accidental damage protection is useful (unlike warranties) but costs a lot more

I once had an issue with my laptop battey, they fixed it (gave me a new one)

The nice thing is most credit cards is in the 1st year after the warranty expires they'll usually cover any warranty-type repairs.

So if my laptop has a 2 year warranty and dies in the 3rd year, VISA will pay the repair costs, relatively few questions asked.

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6:39 PM

@nhinkle never heard of that one

me neither

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pretty sure any credit cards I have, have a policy like "anything you do is your fault and we owe you nothing, ever, oh and btw your debt doubles every year"

why would visa care

@nhinkle most cards?

@Bob maybe it's a regional thing, maybe it depends on the bank, but on my CC and all my parents' CC's it's a thing.

6:41 PM

there's a couple, but they either have high annual fees or some card insurance policy you pay a % per month for

never heard of that as a standard feature

I was under the impression that it's on all VISA personal CC's:

usa.visa.com/personal/card-benefits/credit-card/…

I wonder if this is a good question to ask on the site,
"Can CUDA cores be lost throughout the lifetime?
yay/ neh?

Any other good audiobooks that are available freely as MP3s anyone wants to suggest?

@Vader What, like lost under the couch or something?

no like gone

a car can lose horse power

but can a GPU loose CUDA cores?

6:44 PM

You guys should read what benefits are offered by your credit cards closely... they actually do have a lot of potentially useful clauses mixed in with the screw you over clauses.

> To be eligible for this benefit you must be a valid cardholder of an eligible U.S.-issued Visa card.

@CanadianLuke Depends on your definition of free. The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy is as awesome series and they're definitely freely available, they just cost money...

Free (as in beer)

=> not all cards are eligible

=> most cards are probably not eligible

I am in the US

6:45 PM

@nhinkle => implying I don't read my card's details? I read all the fine print.

@Bob I still think it's fairly common. I have a pretty simple card (I'm just a college student, not like I qualify for a whole lot) and it's on there.

Incidentally, I am not in the US, and my current card isn't Visa either.

Well then everything I said doesn't apply :P

> This booklet contains details of the benefits you receive under the Commonwealth Bank Diamond, Platinum and Gold Credit Card complimentary insurance covers,

Nope, no Diamond, Platinum or Gold here.

Now, I could have gotten the Gold one, but I don't particularly feel like paying the extra annual fee. I don't make enough warranty purchases/claims to justify it anyway.

when does windows download the updates?

is it at the time of updating or while the computer is on?

6:49 PM

@nhinkle Again, the details on the Visa page are irrelevant. The card issuer determines if a card is eligible for the service.

Yeah, I can't think of how it would be worthwhile to have a card with an annual fee unless it had some sort of extreme benefits that you used all the time.

@Bob right, and I'm saying that in my experience, most people I've talked to in the US about it do have that benefit provided by their issuer.

And we have two USAians here who have never heard of it.

Your sample size is too small :P

@Bob that may very well be true, but I'd still encourage people to at least look and see if they have it and just never noticed before.

I don't really have any data on how common it is, but logically I would assume they need to make a profit, and providing that service as standard doesn't help that goal.

@nhinkle I would encourage people to read the bloody documents before signing up for anything. Reading them now is rather late, isn't it?

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@Vader I already answered that above

6:54 PM

vaguely

both no and maybe

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a GPU can "lose" CUDA cores in the same way as a human can "lose" a heart valve

can you live without one of your heart valves? probably not, your entire organism will die

More like, can you lose random chunks of your brain?

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if a GPU doesn't have all of its activated cores enabled, it will "die"

so that's a no?

@Bob I mean yeah, of course. In my case though, the benefits documents came after/separately from the legal/obligations documents that said all the stuff about how much I had to pay when, etc.

6:56 PM

Well... yes. Can you still think properly? Can you still live? That's a maybe, depending on which parts and how they are lost.

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@Vader when a device is designed to lose things -- like utilities that will scan for bad sectors on a HDD and reallocate around them -- it can be possible to continue to use a device after a part of it has become disabled

@nhinkle Figuring out what benefits and costs there are is part of what you should be doing before you even sign up.

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however, I am telling you that I am 100% positive that GPUs are not designed to work around damaged cores

so if one breaks, they all break?

It's part of what you should be doing when considering different options.

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6:57 PM

most likely, if there were one or more damaged cores and it tried to allocate a task to that core and it didn't complete that task as expected, the GPU would hang indefinitely

@Bob I don't disagree at all, I'm just saying, not everybody looks at that, and they might not be aware of what's available. That is all. Not saying you haven't/wouldn't/shouldn't.

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since the software on a modern OS like Windows is constantly submitting all kinds of tasks to the GPU, even just for ordinary desktop stuff, it's not hard to understand that all of the CUDA cores would be touched up for at least some work within a minute or two of booting to your desktop.

you might be able to get past the BIOS, but as soon as Windows DWM starts submitting batches to the GPU (for Aero shaders, etc), your system would freeze, if you had a damaged CUDA core

Hm. 6 more months and I can try to apply for that other card again. The one without a currency conversion fee.

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it wouldn't take long at all

even the simplest of shaders often end up running on every CUDA core -- the ones that are said to have "low utilization" are simply those shaders, which require an extremely small number of time slices ("cycles") of core running to complete

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