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12:29 AM
so true ;p
 
12:57 AM
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Q: Limit the number of retagged questions shown on the front page to five per hour per retagging user

DragonLordAs part of tag cleanup, it is often necessary to retag many questions in a short time span. However, this bumps all of the retagged questions onto the main page, which can be disruptive as it fills the main page with old content. I propose that if a user retags more than five questions in any on...

 
1:42 AM
@Kate I agree!
 
 
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Q: Should I add more memory for Dragon NaturallySpeaking & Xactimate?

DANIELI have an HP p7-1003 x64 AMD II X4 650 processor 3200 MHz 4 core, 4 logical processors, currently running 8GB of RAM. this computer is really only used for doing my work, and has music on it as well... My work involves using basically only 4 SW APPs. From what I understand they are all resourc...

@JourneymanGeek finnaly can read that ^
I think after questions written like that, the editor should get a point for any upvote, as the original writer does not deserve them all :-)
 
lol
Other editor fixed the ALLCAPS.
All I did was line breaks
getting up is hard to do
 
I think? What he needs at this moment, is a view to the paging quantity occuring. All the ways to use the memory the biggest slowdown will be if it goes to disk.
 
Bob
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Q: Has this ever been considered?: Upvoting/Downvoting edits

TryTryAgainI scoured meta and have not found any discussion on this topic. I thought about it when I very much appreciated an edit someone made http://askubuntu.com/revisions/146161/2 which greatly clarified my original title http://askubuntu.com/posts/146161/revisions And then realized I often would have...

 
In the resource monitor in the DISK section, all disk activity is shown including to the paging file. But it seems impractical to view it there that way, as a needle in a haystack.
Surely someone has a way to isolate just activity written to that file, if only to temporarily test A) am i paging B) a Lot C) and when.
Because my paging is not on my system disk, although there are other things on that disk too, anything that shows that disks activity alone simply provides that clue.
@Bob The low-rep users get 2 points for herassing us with stupid edits :-) the high rep people get nothing for editing correctally :-) Anything added just adds another layer of complexity or possible abuse, so really it is fine.
 
5:25 AM
For "do i need more memory" a person can try and read and comprehend the many posts that all sound like this one superuser.com/a/359365/98855 Figure out the commit and watch pagefaulting. But not only is this haveing to have a good understanding of a glob of programming done back inside there, it really does not answer the "well do I or not?" because it varies on how it was used still.
The Do i need more memory is most directally answered by , well is it slow ass disk based psudo memory , that is the problem. Most quickly answered by "is it paging a lot of stuff"
It was not until I ignored this high-tech method of Proper analisis , and started looking only at the one thing that mattered to me, that I found times when windows systems would page for no reason at all. Like when XP paged out programs things, just because the program was minimised.
With something like adobee photoshops own memory paging file location called scratch disks, it was basically the same thing. Back in 32bit the thing would start writing to disk because they ran out of thier allowed spaces , what like 2Gig or something.
It matered not that ram spaces were available, Just that Why the fluck is it so slow. and in that case, why not make up a 2nd ram space on the side via a 2nd 32bit access. sure you only get 2g, but who says you cant have 2 of em :-)
So back then even with limited available memory space , a scratch disk could be placed on a ramdisk. But just do not talk about how well that worked, because the Book says it would be bad.
 
6:16 AM
Hire a hacker, they never needed to see your screen before :-)
 
 
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Bob
8:22 AM
@JourneymanGeek remember this? bestbuy.com/site/…
:P
> The Direct-Silver-plated HDMI connectors provide a simple connection and durability.
Except... silver tarnishes.
 
;p
nickel. If you want fancy, gold over that ;p
silver anything electrical is just stupid
 
Bob
8:49 AM
@JourneymanGeek Not really, considering silver has better conductivity than copper.
That could be significant in some areas.
For running a wire, though? Bah.
 
oh, I meant connectors
@Bob: but it tarnishes and is massively expensive
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Again, you might prefer silver, say, in the middle of a CPU or something.
 
@Bob: possibly
 
Bob
(I wouldn't know exactly where, but in some areas its better conductivity could beat out copper, if weight/cross-sectional-area is an issue.)
97 more days to go for 1000 consecutive :D
 
well I suppose if you could cover it in something, or used it as wire, and silver only surface tarnished...
 
Bob
8:56 AM
@JourneymanGeek Tarnish is defined as surface corrosion :P
And silver only tarnishes on contact with hydrogen sulphide
 
ahh
My chemistry is rusty
and nearly everything here tarnishes or corrodes ;p
lives near the sea
 
Why Facebook enforcing their messenger app? NSA?
Great idea. Why won't we just split our core app and its chat component so users will have to install additional app and switch between both?
 
Facebook friends settings.
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ hey... I can install GateOne on my readynas! :o
@Boris_yo The messenger app is amazing.
 
9:55 AM
@Hennes nice fix
 
10:41 AM
@MichaelFrank What's so amazing?
 
@Boris_yo Have you tried Chat heads?
 
10:57 AM
@Boris_yo If you do not split the app, how will you show everything in the one app?
. . And still take up 2/3rds of the space in the app for advertising
 
(name censored) has connected his visual studio to a Microsoft LiveID, but I do not get the archivements I expected...

"Silver OCD award: Clicked 'Close All But this' 25 times!"
"Golden Backspace: You cnat splel wroth a dmna!"
"Compiler King: You have made 10 successive code changes that compiled right away!"
"Master of Obfuscation: You managed to confuse autocompletion 20 times in a row!"
 
11:34 AM
Don't play with your DNA: Give a name to this hybrid.
 
12:23 PM
is a question asking if a selection of components is well suited, i.e. everything matches and I will not have surprises (such as "damn, the CPU cooler does not fit in the case") when assembling, on topic for this SE?
 
@Federico that's probably more a chat topic.
 
@JourneymanGeek this room or another?
 
1:10 PM
@MichaelFrank .... ok? :P
@Federico this room would be fine
 
Bob
1:21 PM
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Heh, I still need to install it sometime. Or find an alternative.
 
@Bob there are no good alternatives that I know of
and it's not terribly hard to install (on a modern Linux; fairly harder on ancient distros or on SmartOS as I learned)
o_O
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ leaving for a meeting, but in the meanwhile, you can have at it
 
@Federico I can?! Oh, I'm so excited for the privilege! /sarc
 
@Federico:The tricky thing here might be the ram
 
selection criteria:
- heavy gamer
- will upgrade in ~1 year with second graphics card and possibly doubling the ram
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ :P
@JourneymanGeek why? because of size?
 
1:35 PM
yup
THIS cooler should be ok
 
that's why I piked that cooler
 
*picked
 
Planning on overclocking?
 
"heavy gaming" --> 250 GB will get you your operating system plus about 3 games at the rate they're going these days (25 - 50GB per game)
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1:36 PM
lol
 
@JourneymanGeek not really
 
there's that
 
and you don't want to run an SSD up against its storage limit either
you get severely degraded performance when it's full or near full
 
Then forget the gaming ram
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ SSD is only for OS, I already have 2Tb for installing games
 
1:37 PM
meh, then you suffer from long game load times
 
(Not much performance difference and you can put the money elsewhere)
 
seems you have money to spend, I'd consider at least two disks in RAID (RAID0 is fine with two, RAID10 if four)
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: eh, my 3tb drive's ok.
 
and a good RAID card, not software RAID
 
(eh, bewarned we occationally have philosophical differences. This is why hardware is better on chat)
 
1:39 PM
@JourneymanGeek any specific suggesion? it would change the motherboard as well, as I tried to pair the RAM speed
 
regarding the monitor: IPS is good, but two things: the size is smaller than I would expect for a gaming monitor, and the resolution is at an odd 16:10 aspect ratio, which can really confuse certain games -- either they won't support that res at all, or you'll get weird-looking scaling, or you'll get black bars
 
@Federico: I went with kingston personally
just go for the most/cheapest I'd say
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ not an issue for me, but thanks for pointing out
 
16:9 is really the aspect ratio to shoot for these days, both for gaming and video
also, the 3820 is Sandy-E. why go with a previous-generation CPU? Ivy-E is out, and Haswell-E is well on its way (Q4 2014 IIRC)
I can't think of any reason at all to buy a previous-generation CPU if you are going enthusiast-grade
it's like buying a race car from 1970 (assuming you're not histrionic)
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ CPU is mostly price, with the linked set-up I already went slightly beyond the allotted budget
 
1:41 PM
@Federico: in which case why not drop down to a LGA 1150 system?
 
...yeah...but...
^
 
@JourneymanGeek 1150? not 1155?
 
Broadwells are 1150 IIRC
 
actually... the i7-4770K, the Haswell mainstream high-end i7, is cheaper and significantly faster than the 3820
"enthusiast" my ass ;p that's what a few generations will get you
 
and at least initially, I'd suggest giving the stock heatsink a shot if you use one of those.
 
1:43 PM
usually, everything on the enthusiast side (the motherboard, the CPU, the RAM, etc) will be extremely overpriced, and much much lower value in terms of money spent than the mainstream stuff
 
thank you all!
 
if you're fine with that, then you would ideally go for the highest available CPU in that grade, rather than get absolutely horrible value with a less-than-tops CPU on the enthusiast platform
 
will update my selection with your input, will come back bothering you soon! :D
 
Glad to be of assistance, other than itching to build something again ;p
 
like, I can't even think of a reasonable use case for going enthusiast without getting the "X" series CPU which has, like, 6 cores on Ivy-E, and 8 on Haswell-E
 
1:45 PM
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: in which case, you might start looking at xeons too?
 
@JourneymanGeek except Xeon --> ECC --> memory bandwidth--
 
someone in here pointed out those were cheaper.
 
also, Xeons are even more expensive than the enthusiast grade procs, with no real benefits for a gamer
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: not necessary to use ECC though
 
@JourneymanGeek isn't ECC required on Xeons?
 
1:46 PM
er. No.
lemme check. I bountied that question for someone
 
anyway, you're probably right, but considering this system already breaks his budget...
can't fathom he'd be able to put out for a Xeon, nor that he'd particularly need it
the only xeons worth your time are the E5/E7 ones which are heinously expensive -- E3s are just rebranded Core i7 mainstream procs
 
ahh
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Q: Xeons with IMC (Integrated Memory Controller) -- does ECC support depend on the chipset also?

Ben VoigtIntel has released Ivy Bridge Xeon processors with PCIe 3.0, ECC, and VT-d support. However, there aren't yet any PCIe 3.0 + USB 3.0 C21x (Panther Point) boards available, while B75 and Z77 desktop motherboards are widely available with a huge range of features. Since the northbridge logic / me...

this was an e3
meh, I don't see the points of EEs at all personally
I'd rather spend the money on better... everything else.
 
@JourneymanGeek the point of the enthusiast platform is for people with tons of money to throw away, to go ahead and throw it away, in Intel's direction
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: ;p
(I'd rather spend the extra money on nice IO devices)
 
it can also net you some really nice performance, true, but gamers simply don't need that, since game devs are still catering to the lowest common denominator
 
1:49 PM
yup
 
it's a rare game that can't run at least decently on a mid-grade GPU from the previous generation (or even two generations old)
 
(but meh, I have a 720P screen. I render anything renderable renderably!)
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: eh, until recently the baseline was the what... 8 year old gforce 8800?
 
@JourneymanGeek would you go for a higher watt PSU for a guy planning to stick another 780 in there next year?
he's put up 750W, I dunno about that
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: personally? No. I do prefer to have spares so...
(its a concequence of buying bargain basement PSUs for years)
oh, I didn't think of checking that
 
I guess it depends on how much he plans to stick on the I/O and USB buses for additional power draw, as well as whether he plans to overclock anything, but personally, 750W makes me rather uncomfortable
I would be fine 750W on a single-GPU design, but dual, especially the 780, I would be thinking 1 kW
 
1:52 PM
@Federico: You might want to run your build through a power supply calculator, just to make sure you have a big enough PSU
 
don't want to redline the poor thing
not only does it get hot and make it die sooner than expected, but redlining makes it more inefficient
 
Yeah, then it'll go all Clarkson on you.
80% is the sweet spot, isn't it?
 
yeah, 80% under load
and it's just whatever under idle, because with all the power saving tech these days, sitting at your desktop with no background programs running can probably get you under 100 W
 
eh
I do wonder if it would make sense to build a two stage power supply
one super efficient low power design, which is backed up by a higher power stage which kicks in as needed
 
@JourneymanGeek once you start looking at two stage power supply, you could also start thinking about running the whole system on a little ARM SoC when you're just in web browsing mode :P that's still "a thing" on ultrabook designs apparently, but it's not really propagated to the desktop
it would be at least interesting to think about, if not extremely practical
 
1:55 PM
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: actually thats essentially what a BMC is.
(and eh, thanks to the SF guys, I'm looking at HP microservers)
 
if it were me, I'd have some kind of a HDMI chip-on-a-stick that runs Android with a decent SoC for web browsing, and only boot up the desktop when gaming
my current compromise is to plug the Surface Pro 1 into the DisplayPort to HDMI cable and move my USB hub from being plugged into my desktop, to being plugged into the Surface Pro sitting on my desk
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: I'm toying with getting a chromebook with one of the linux options set up if I get the job I'm applying for as a 'work' system
(or grabbing an old laptop, upgrading the shit out of it, and using that)
 
usually, during the week, I shut down my desktop and just use my Surface Pro, because (1) it can play Dawngate just fine at 1080p, and (2) I am usually too tired to game anyway
 
on the weekends I fire up the desktop and leave it on all weekend, to play Wolfenstein The New Order or whatever other high-end game
 
1:57 PM
My desktop's my primary. My laptop's for bed or IRC
 
the one device I've really been neglecting, especially since I got my Galaxy S5, is my New Nexus 7
 
eheh...
 
the S5's size and performance has pushed out my need for a tablet
 
My tablet's mainly used to show mom stuff
it hasn't gotten much love since I got a moto G
 
if I'm in the "laying on my back and surfing / listening to ballgame" mode, I don't need the tablet to do that
 
1:58 PM
I need proper keyboards :/
Bigger the better.
Not quite used to chicklet keys yet. They arn't too paw-friendly
(but the next laptop, whatever it is will have them :()
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ most games do support 16:10 now, from what I've seen. video is different.
@JourneymanGeek note: iDRAC BMCs are stupid
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Android web browsers are... lacking
 
Core i7-4790K: http://ark.intel.com/products/80807/Intel-Core-i7-4790K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_40-GHz
Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1600 16GB kit: http://www.corsair.com/en-us/vengeance-16gb-dual-channel-ddr3-memory-kit-cmz16gx3m4a1600c9
Corsair HX850: http://www.corsair.com/en/hx-series-hx850-power-supply-850-watt-80-plus-gold-certified-modular-psu
2 x R9-280X: http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/desktop/r9#4
At least 250 GB Samsung 850 Pro SSD: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/global/html/ssd850pro/overview.html
that's what I'd get if I were pricing out a nice gaming system right now -- high-end, but not laughably overpriced like the Enthusiast platform. cc @Federico
the specifics would always depend on your budget, as always, but if budget is even a factor at all in your buying decisions, I would avoid the Enthusiast platform like the plague
 
Bob
Any game that has issues with an i7-4790 is poorly optimised and has no business outside of beta.
 
2:14 PM
@Bob true :P
@Bob although, keeping CPU under control can be a serious challenge in simulation games, even stuff like Tropico, The Sims, KSP... the problem is that you get so many objects on screen to draw that your CPU gets bottlenecked just submitting *commands* to the GPU
if it's not a simulation game, then the designers can design the plot or whatever to keep the complexity under control so you never hit those conditions
even Skyrim can hit against CPU or memory bandwidth limitations
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Yea, any unbounded game I suppose you can push past any given hardware's capabilities.
Even then, that CPU should be able to handle the typical case with no trouble.
 
Minecraft...
 
Bob
If a Xeon is required for the typical case to work smoothly, well...
 
when you basically let the user control the complexity of the game world, with no hard limits, you may need quad Xeons to get acceptable FPS... either that, or live with reduced complexity, which can really kill immersion
although to be quite honest, until game devs start making their engines 64-bit (yay KSP!), you'll hit OOVAS situations long before your CPU is hopelessly swamped
 
2:18 PM
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: I'd go with nvida, but... once again philosophical differences
 
@JourneymanGeek yeah, I'd say the philosophy of intentionally buying hardware that is weaker on both power efficiency and performance per dollar is certainly different from mine :P
(not to mention, hardware whose manufacturer is in bed with far fewer game devs than the competition these days)
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: Nvidia stuff tends to have had better gaming performance when I'm getting them
 
@JourneymanGeek when was the last time you owned a Radeon?
 
never? ;p
 
OK then! you have no experience to compare it with :P
 
2:21 PM
Lets see, video cards I have owned...
Matrox Millennium II, Gforce 3 (replaced with a gforce FX 5200, which sucked), Gforce 8800, Gforce 8300(of borking fame, though I did not buy that POS) gforce 450 DDR3, and gforce 660 (factory overclocked version)
 
@Psycogeek Just like Facebook now has chat within app?
 
I was slightly tempted to get a R290 3gb, but I want new speakers more; p
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ I'm currently using two (one mobile, one at work), and I can say that I'd stay away just because CCC sucks.
 
I owned the GeForce 8800GTX, and the GTX 280, so I've used Nvidia "recently" -- but I've also had the Radeon HD5970, now I have two basically "7970"s (one a re-brand)
 
@JourneymanGeek Hello! If I want to connect Sennheiser RS170 wireless headphones to my HDTV, would it work with "Optical digital audio" slot?
 
2:24 PM
@Bob CLOSED WORKSFORME
 
Bob
Never had nearly as many problems with the Nvidia control panel.
 
the last time I had issues with Catalyst was running Windows Server 2008 R2 (couldn't afford a license of Windows 7 Pro/Ultimate, so I went Dreamspark on my desktop) in like 2011-2012
 
.... I can't remember off hand what its supposed to be called.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek TOSLINK?
 
yeah
@Boris_yo: your headphones don't seem to have toslink optical, so no
 
2:25 PM
@Bob I can understand CCC sucking on mobile -- not forgiving AMD, but saying yeah, considering the custom stuff they have to put under the hood to get a laptop mobile GPU working, that's no surprise (but it still sucks) -- no clue why you seem to have problems with it at work
CCC has been basically perfect for me since about Q4 2012, on Windows 7 and Windows 8/8.1
 
@JourneymanGeek If I input into "Headphone" jack then TV sound will be off?
 
slow, but bug-free
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Don't ask me shrug
 
@Boris_yo: yes.
Usually that is the case
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Well... I think the one at work was last updated around then :P
 
2:26 PM
Why not try it to be sure?
 
> problems with X
 
Bob
Perhaps I should update it sometime.
 
> hasn't updated X since 2012
okay.png
 
I think I have RCA on digital encoder but there are 2 rows with yellow, white and red:

1st row: TV (variable)
2nd row: VCR (fixed)

Idea what this means?
 
Bob
2:27 PM
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Hey, the Nvidia control panel on my desktop was that old up till a couple months ago, with no problems.
 
Bob
And my laptop one is up to date, still has issues.
 
yellow = video. Red and white for audio.
dude.
 
Bob
So, in comparison, CCC still sucks as far as I've experienced.
 
@Bob the nvidia control panel also doesn't do anything :P the one I have here (with the latest ODE driver) lets me change color balance stuff, toggle monitors on/off, screen res, refresh rate, shows me the driver version, and that's about it
 
Bob
2:27 PM
I might revise that opinion if I get a chance to update.
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Does more than I've ever used CCC for.
 
by comparison, AMD Overdrive is a built-in overclocking/temp monitor/fan monitor app
 
@JourneymanGeek I know. I don't know what is variable and fixed.
 
Bob
You think I'm gonna overclock at work? Or on mobile?
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: Most card makers come with something similar
 
it also shows your GPU load (utilization) right in CCC
 
2:28 PM
@Boris_yo: neither do I
 
@Psycogeek That's not real.
 
@Bob no, but it's nice to know if your GPU is running hotter than it should, or if some background program is OpenCLing you to 100% utilization or some shit (obv you would expect it to be at 100% if you have a 3d game going, ...)
and I usually use it to underclock, anyway :P (certain games push the GPUs so hard that the older one needs to be underclocked)
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Still, never needed nor used that functionality.
It's the basic functionality that's buggy anyway.
 
Like that?
 
Bob
Specifically, change resolution => crash (?!)
 
2:29 PM
I don't even know what some of those graphs are
 
@Bob OK, well, all I can say is we've had two completely polar opposite experiences with CCC
and it hasn't crashed on me in over two years despite doing all kinds of shit with it (re-arranging the relative positioning of monitors, trying out Eyefinity, etc)
 
Bob
shrug perhaps it's just some weird quirk of the hardware there
 
@JourneymanGeek GPU tweak crashes my computer
 
Bob
I never claimed to know why
 
Only AfterBurner works with my GPU
 
Bob
2:30 PM
It's just my experience with it.
 
@HackToHell: AMD? ;p
 
@HackToHell it does for me too :O
 
@JourneymanGeek yep
 
I don't use Afterburner tho, I just use CCC itself
 
2:30 PM
Clearly something is broken
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ OC in CCC works only for high end GPUs
Wait I think you told me that
2
 
Bob
lol
> PHP 5.5 5.5.x most notable additions were Generators and finally keyword.
They added finally in 2013??
wtf
 
@Bob PHP 6.0's most notable addition was the addition of Ruby Alternate Syntax Mode (RASM) where the PHP interpreter can interpret Ruby code instead, making for a much easier user experience.
plz can I has D:
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Did you see the argument over PHP.next's naming?
 
Bob
2:35 PM
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ They wanted to add Unicode support to core in 2010. Dropped the idea, incorporated new features into 5.x. Now they want a new version, and there's a pretty stupid argument over whether it should be named PHP 6.0 or PHP 7.0.
 
@Bob lol i just read on reddit that they canceled the voting for the next php version name :D
 
Bob
In fact, they settled that argument yesterday: news.php.net/php.internals/76254
 
"let's have a vote!"
"no, let's cancel it!"
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ ^
 
WAIT WHAT???
> , so the voting for this RFC has started (again). It shall end on 2014-07-30 (next Wednesday, a week’s time) and it won’t be cancelled this time.
> The vote has ended. By 58 votes to 24, the next major release of PHP, to succeed the 5.x series, shall be named PHP 7.
> Date: Tue Jul 29 18:43:30 2014
 
Bob
2:37 PM
> Date: Tue Jul 29 18:43:30 2014
 
Bob
Must be using PHP to check the date.
 
or maybe as soon as it's July 30 in any timezone the vote is over :P
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ As I said, must be using PHP to check the date.
I don't even understand the argument. Here's one guy arguing in favour of 6: philsturgeon.uk/blog/2014/07/…
I just wonder: what's the problem with skipping a version number?
Then again, .NET's version numbering (purely marketing) is confusing as fuck :P
 
2:42 PM
@Bob and Java's is somewhat weird where the major version number is still 1 (since forever), but it's advertised as 6, 7, 8, etc
and then there's the whole "J2SE" thing...
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ I'd put money on the major version staying for backwards compatibility :P
 
@Bob it makes sense when you think about it... at least Sun was consistent in that matter
the solaris kernel version is still 2.x since forever
Linux made a completely meaningless 3.x declaration even though the ABI is still true through 2.6 to 3.x... what they should have done is made 2.6 the 3.0, and we'd still be on the 3.x series
(since 2.4 is not the same ABI)
 
Does sound quality suffer when using RCA output vs. Headphone output? @JourneymanGeek
 
although technically if you want to go by graphics drivers breaking their user<->kernel interface, Linux should be up to major version 180 or so by now
 
Bob
Yea, all things considered, stuffing with version numbers happens all the time.
But I still don't think reusing a previously-publicised number is that great of an idea.
There's a reason many projects have codenames pre-release that change on release.
 
2:46 PM
@Bob so if someone published an O'Reilly book talking about ".NET 5", Microsoft would have to make the Windows 9 release of .NET ".NET 6"?
 
@Boris_yo: not as far as I can tell.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Wrong person.
 
@Bob heh. your name doesn't even end in "_yo"! how could he get you confused?
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Well, that would be quite odd unless it was based on some official word from MS.
 
he must have been using my javascript random RA-based name generator ;-)
 
2:47 PM
@JourneymanGeek No Stereo vs. Mono difference?
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ tabbing-shenanigans
 
@HackToHell :D
 
Bob
@HackToHell Did... did he turn off power to the room?
 
2:48 PM
actually, I use both on my amp, its more of a convenience thing
 
Bob
The lights went out...
 
@Bob the whole argument for not using PHP 6 was that a couple irresponsible authors wrote PHP 6 books about the unicode project before it was even released, without any official word that PHP 6 had hit GA
 
@Bob OLED perhaps
 
Bob
Hm. I wonder why TOSLINK is still so common.
 
@HackToHell LOL
 
2:48 PM
@Boris_yo You are in Isreal right ?
 
Bob
HDMI is better than it in just about every way except perhaps distance.
@HackToHell What's OLED got to do with it?
 
@HackToHell No. I am in Israel
 
!!s/real/rael/g
 
@jokerdino @Boris_yo You are in Israel right ? (source)
 
2:49 PM
@Bob: TOSLINK (and its co-axial equivalent) are sound only
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ I haven't been following PHP very closely, but weren't they publicly discussing the new version number back then?
@JourneymanGeek So?
 
HDMI is also a lot more complex I suspect
why would you need HDMI in a purely audio device?
 
@Boris_yo What's happening there with all the bombings and stuff
 
Bob
No reason you can't run just audio through an HDMI cable.
 
@Bob public discussion does not indicate a definite release, and it's irresponsible to publish books -- which are supposed to stand the test of time for at least a year or two -- about something that's not confirmed to be shipping yet
 
2:50 PM
@Bob: licence fees? ;p
 
@HackToHell A lot of shitstorm internet-wide of media-biased dumbasses not knowing what they are talking about.
 
Bob
And they can both use the same codecs, I believe. I wonder if the stream is bit-compatible... probably not :\
 
we have been talking about PhantomJS "2.0" for a year, but it's not out yet, it's just a project being hacked on by a few people on github
wouldn't make sense to write a book about it either
 
@Boris_yo So what's happening !
 
ahh, I was thinking S/PDIF
 
2:52 PM
@HackToHell people shooting each other, killing kids (on both sides) and blaming each other that "he started it!" etc
the same thing as since the beginning of time
people disagree and fight and neither one admits they're wrong or backs down, "we're just defending ourselves!"
 
@HackToHell I am not in a hot zone but those who are experience less, yet occasional rockets.
 
well you both can "defend" yourselves until the entire region is one big crater
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Which is also compatible with the HDMI stream, IIRC.
 
(and eh, reading the article, it sucks)
 
@Boris_yo Scary
 
2:54 PM
@Bob: toslink and SPDIF are the same. Toslink is optical only, SPDIF has a co-ax varient
toslink does have the advantage of being immune to ground loops though
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ In Israel's case, enemy are not defending themselves - rather killing their own in the name of zealotry to eliminate Israel.
 
also there's a bunch of older audio gear that still supports it
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: eh, Hamas could be bringing in food and materials instead of rockets. And this is much more complex. The current crisis started after egypt closed their borders IIRC>
 
@Boris_yo we just need the Xindi to come to Earth with their laser drills, cut out the entire region including Israel, Palestine, Iran, Iraq, etc. and use a tractor beam to pull it out from the earth and send it into outer space :D (after evacuating all the innocents, of course) -- bam, no more territory to fight over, just a big chasm :D
 
But as always, why can't we be friends?
 
Bob
Hm. There's a Video Production. I wonder if there's an audio equivalent.
 
2:55 PM
yeah, there is
 
Asnwer: Because governments set us against each other for their own gains.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Can't seem to find it :\
 
Anyone saw Elysium? That's their ultimate agenda.
 
lol
I read a scary article about how my government was using big data and pervasive surveillence to try to predict what will happen next earlier today
 
2:59 PM
@JourneymanGeek why do they need big data? what happens next is obvious to me
small dogs take over the world
humans are subjugated to manual labor
failure to comply == ankle biting
 
Bob
Hm. Turns out S/PDIF and HDMI are not bit-compatible. Ah well.
 

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