Root Access

MRGMGLRLRLRLRLRRRR

turn 2, me: Mind if I roll need?

your turn

turn 2: I hope you like my invention! Draws card

oh, your turn?

turn 3: GGGGGGGHHHH! *taunt sound*
...and "aughhhh!!!" *splash* (leper gnome -> novice engineer)
...and "aieee!" (loot hoarder -> murloc)

your turn

Oh wow... That's impressive.

4:05 AM

@allquixotic I work for the School District, as a tech (non-union). The teachers are going on strike, because they don't like their deal with the government. So, since I'm not a union member, and I'm not a manager, I get to be the go-to between them, since principals and VPs won't be allowed to talk to teachers, and vice versa. Plus, I get to do supervision at a random school before classes, during lunch, and after school! But, who cares about my IT-related responsibilities, they don't matter!

The light shall burn you!

@CanadianLuke are these strikes common, and are they just a "nothing personal, just doing business" kinda thing, or do the administration resent the teachers for going on strike?

@CanadianLuke That seems like something super out of your scope.

@allquixotic @MichaelFrank It seems common, it happens every few years, as the contract comes up. The government is pushing for a 10 year contract so they can't strike till it's done, and the teachers are just wanting to work... At least up here. But they're one big union throughout the entire province, so whatever the majority decide (even out of town), that's what everyone has to do

I've heard both you and @ThatBrazilianGuy talk about strikes, and that makes me feel odd, because strikes and labor unions were how workers fought to get decent benefits and pay in the United States, and we kinda led the rest of the world into mimicing that, but these days almost no one in the US (except rich movie/TV writers and baseball players) goes on strike

Basically, all voluntary services are discontinuing, supervision isn't in their contract so they won't do it, no talking to the administration (without going through a mediator), and they also can't be on school property an hour before, or an hour after, their classes

Oh, and no meetings on School Property of any sort for them

I don't get why it works though

4:08 AM

but they still teach?

If I was the boss, I'd tell them to strike all they want, and get parents in who WANT to be there, don't mind getting paid less, and just be happy

Yup, they teach... We're in "stage 1"

most unusual

We're a fucked-up province. I won't be the first to admit it, nor the last

I teach children 3 nights a week, but I don't have a teaching certificate... And the kids listen and respect me

can anyone help with php question?

If it wasn't a union issue, I'd be teaching if asked

4:10 AM

the U.S. law and policy has shifted so strongly towards preventing workers from organizing, maybe even making it criminal to organize, or causing it to be a condition to get you fired. these days, companies can rape their employees' benefits and the employees either have to go elsewhere (where the benefits will also suck), or stay and deal with it

@allquixotic That sucks balls

that's been the general trend in the US with the ultra-conservatism that's come into politics

"de-regulate everything! let corporations do whatever the royal fuck they want to, because profit!"

I haven't been part of a good, proper union yet. They either protect all the crappy workers who do the minimum and know their rights, or the hinder those who want to do well, and get rewarded for it. The other type that I was part of (!) was they would charge us union dues, but not do anything on our behalf

and then "if they're mistreating you, go to their competitor!"

But, that's commercialism. If they keep it up, and people don't like the work conditions and they quit, they'll import people to do the job at a fraction of the cost

The government needs to set some ground rules, and companies should be expected to abide by them

The good companies will offer better than what's required

4:12 AM

it's not only employees, it's also in things like customer service and charging reasonable fees

That pays for the employees :P

for instance, over here, all the wireless carriers have exactly the same data caps and exactly the same monthly costs for getting more data... price fixing... LEGAL price fixing

the "go to their competitor if it sucks" argument doesn't apply because there is no competitor that is any better

Yea, that's not "officially" allowed her, but happens anyways

Minimum for a data plan in Canada on contract is $50/mo. 100MB. 200 minutes

I only pay $28/mo, but that's cause I negotiate :)

@CanadianLuke That is... really fuckin' bad!

Canada has been rated the worst in the world for cell phone usage

4:14 AM

the actual data amounts are better here, but it's still not usable with all the fucking updates Android pushes

You get updates? You bastard!

The CRTC (Canadian version of FCC) does nothing for consumers

@Saladin If you got a question, just post it... We tend to have long "conversations" in here

the FCC is almost completely succumbed to regulatory capture, but sometimes it accidentally helps consumers slightly

What do they do, cross an I to make it a T somewhere?

fuck:(

well, for one thing, the current FCC chairman seems to have a grudge against his former company (Comcast), so he's trying to screw them over by giving pro-consumer things to Comcast customers

4:16 AM

Good way to enter a room...

Nice

I heard ComCast was being horrible to their customers though

Your take?

they are

Comcast is a scummy company. I don't have their service. but then almost all ISPs (wired and wireless) in the US are, except Google

the only non-scummy service you can get is hideously expensive (like $400/mo for 1.5 Mbps)

I'm currently enjoying a loophole in Verizon Wireless's data plans to have no landlines at all (no phone, no cable, no fiber, no nothing; but if I could get fiber I'd have it in a heartbeat; anyway I digress)

Oh wow... I pay $30/mo for 1 year right now, no contract, to get 25Mbps down, 5Mbps up

After the year, it goes up to $60 and stays there

The companies are bringing in more fiber to the area, but only in big cities... And they're still just as slow as copper

Q: Capturing client request headers (complete) along with IP address information?

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I want to write client request to a file with two things/information headers ip address The code I'm testing on free hosting service.Code is <? $headers= apache_request_headers(); foreach ($headers as $header => value) { echo "4header: $ value </br >\n"; } ?> Above, work for headers; but ...

php

when Verizon Wireless first introduced their 4G LTE service, they let people have unlimited data for a short time, presumably because they had so few customers that they were overflowing with spare capacity

@CanadianLuke see the question please

4:19 AM

those of us who have been consistent subscribers since then have been able to keep our unlimited data so far

Verizon could technically cancel it any time they like, but if they did, we'd have the option to just walk away, no early termination fee (the law prohibits them from charging an ETF if they change their contract)

they're afraid of losing our business entirely and not even making a going-away present to the tune of $250, so they haven't canceled any unlimited data plans yet

now granted, the alternatives to Verizon Wireless in my area aren't better than Verizon Wireless, but if I lost my unlimited data plan, I'd move to a competitor just to spite Verizon, and never give that company another cent of my money in my entire life

AT&T's limited data plans aren't worse than Verizon's, they're just different

six of one, half dozen of the other

and no data cap

it's like $90-$100/month once you add up all the myriad fees, but the quality is worth it

meh, the gov here is planing to have national fiber, they are wasting millions on that, but I highly doubt our submarine cable can cope with it

@Saladin Sorry, that's over my head... But SO has some great people who should be able to help. You'll need to wait more than an hour though

its okay @CanadianLuke

That's damn good for a cell phone!

@Braiam will have to remove the Atlantic Ocean and replace it with solid fiber

4:26 AM

I get 100MBps (yes, BYTES) down and up at work

here if you know spanish

No comprendo, senor!

@Braiam yep, I understand Spanish :) (no Google Translate, either)

"banda ancha"? broadband?

But honestly, I could never go back to the old 15Mbps service I used to have. Never, ever, ever!

I'm kinda lazy, and don't want to make dinner...

@allquixotic yup

literal translation

4:31 AM

so the initial deployment only covers 6.67% of the country?

yeah

haha "esta red 'dorsal'" ... I knew dorsal from English, a loanword, meaning back.... backbone :D

I really don't understand the article, since later talks about 80% in 5 years (absurd)

> from Latin dorsum 'back'

@Braiam no, it's even funnier, because it says 6.67% in 5 years, then 80% in 3 years! unless they mean the first 5 years will accomplish 6.67% including the most densely-populated areas, and then it'll only take them an additional 3 years to reach the 80% of the suburbs/rural areas

I could see it taking longer to build out in a big, crowded city

@allquixotic I presume is 80% in 3 years out the 6.67% of the initial phase

63M USD is way too cheap

4:35 AM

oh wow

that's even worse then!

"internet for everyone!*" (*: everyone = people who live in densely populated cities only)

LOL WHAT

the DR newspaper talks about Miguel Cabrera? :P

that's interesting... I mean he only plays the game against American and Canadian teams

?

Miguel Cabrera

José Miguel Cabrera Torres (born April 18, 1983), commonly known as Miguel Cabrera and nicknamed "Miggy", is a Venezuelan professional baseball first baseman with the Detroit Tigers of Major League Baseball (MLB). He bats and throws right-handed. He formerly played left field, right field and for most of his career, third base and now plays first base. Cabrera is an eight-time All-Star, having been selected to both the National League and American League All-Star Teams. Cabrera has started at least 100 games at first base, third base, left field and right field. He progressed through ...

@allquixotic did you expect the "related articles" be "related" at all? :P

also, he's Venezuelan, not Dominican

wait, it says he's dominican?

4:40 AM

no. but I assumed maybe the DL was covering him because he was Dominican

but then wikipedia says he is Venezuelan

is covering him because he's a MLB player, most people here don't know what nationality he is

MLB is a big deal in Dominican Republic?

Here's a real Super User question for y'all

Why does burnt cheese taste so good?

we have most MLB players per KM2 than most nations of the world

@CanadianLuke obviously, because God wanted to encourage people to pull on the disgusting utters of large herd animals, extract milk, let it go bad until it turns solid, then rub two sticks together, make heat, and put the gross bad milk from the gross "moo" thing in the fire

then eat it

that answer was given totally tongue in cheek btw

4:45 AM

Mmmmm!

unrelated crosspost

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 2 hours ago, by jadarnel27

I just did the longest phone interview I've ever done.

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in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 2 hours ago, by jadarnel27

These were all somewhat open-ended questions, or questions asking for specific experiences I've had in my development career.

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 2 mins ago, by Shog9

@jadarnel27 should've just closed them all as "too opinion-based".

You know, as a mod, I'm seeing some weird sh*t all over the SE network...

I can see why they started that "Gems from StackExchange" blog

@CanadianLuke you don't hang out in the TL?

4:53 AM

I do, when I'm at work. When I'm home, I relax

RA is my relax :)

5:09 AM

Anyone else play Simpsons: Tapped Out? I need more friends on there :P

5:59 AM

so...

I've been asked to spec a machine for web browsing and video watching.

Tempted to recommend a Celeron or Pentium.

Any thoughts, @allquixotic? You have more experience with the lower-end chips...

Heck, 4 GB of RAM is probably enough -_-

Google Camera works only with 4.4 >.<

Y U do dis google

6:42 AM

@allquixotic So... did you see the Fireside Gatherings announcement for Hearthstone?

7:04 AM

slideshare.net/ricardovice/spotify-p2p-music-streaming

Apparently it's faster to network stream than open a track from the Hard Disk

7:35 AM

hi

i am looking for a laptop budget under $1000. any recommend

@vzhen What will you use it for?

7:55 AM

@bob high quality movie, browser, and some normal gaming

@bob r u therE?

@vzhen Back now.

@vzhen Define "gaming".

What games?

warcraft dota only

@vzhen Warcraft III? Original dota?

ya. no dota 2, no wow, no LoL, no any other new high quality game

Hm.

8:03 AM

Yannow, the Dota community will shift to D2 eventually

You'd be fine with integrated graphics.

@vzhen Battery life requirements?

Dota 2 works well with HD 3000

Portability (weight)?

Any preferred screen size?

no battery life requirements, 14 inch at least,

@vzhen So you're fine with a bulky beast? :P

8:08 AM

no.

don't over 2.5kg

@vzhen Ehhh... to be honest, with your requirements, just about any laptop will do.

Do you have a brand preference?

shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/y-series/y510p

emm, the requirement is at lease 1920 x 1080 or higher

That one already far exceeds your requirements.

not sure if i can get within $1k

Hm. What's your location? What's the general ratio of tech prices for you, compared to US prices?

8:15 AM

Malaysia and $1 = RM3.3

@vzhen I mean, if something costs 100 USD in America, how much would it cost where you are?

330

@vzhen Lemme rephrase - I'm not asking for the price in your local currency, I'm asking how much extra you'd have to pay in taxes, import duties, etc., or how much more expensive your local shops are - ignoring currency exchange.

Assuming your budget is 1000 USD, anyway. If it's only ~ 300 USD, then you're far more limited in choices.

If something costs 1000 USD in the US, but more for you locally, then that wouldn't fit within your budget - which means I'd have to look for something cheaper.

Also, do you have a current machine? How does it perform? How much better do you expect a new one to perform?

no taxes here. i mean the maximum price is 3500 which approximate $1000 in USD

@vzhen Then what do you mean by not sure if you can get that one within 1000 USD?

8:21 AM

make it simple. the price not over $1k in USD

The prices on their online store for the 1080p model is only $879.

i meant not sure if i can get 1920 x 1080 within $1k laptop

ya, i saw it

@vzhen Alternatively, you could just look in local stores.

the laptop u suggest not bad. but can lenovo ideapad can be trust?
i heard "internet" says only thinkpad is still under IBM team

so i actually trust IBM not lenovo

These days, it's best to have at least 8 GB of RAM.

@vzhen ThinkPads are also Lenovo now, IIRC.

Or do you mean the original IBM staff who may have moved to Lenovo?

8:25 AM

ya

I'm not too sure about that.

Unfortunately, those might be a bit out of your price range for the 1080p models.

so sad IBM sold laptop to lenovo. Though I'm chinese but i don't trust china product. hahahah

@bob do you familiar network issue?

@vzhen Some...

@vzhen Heh. Not many of us do :P

@vzhen If you want to look in local stores, basically: you don't need a dedicated graphics card, as long as you get an i3 or better (Intel) or APU (AMD). You should go for >= 8GB of RAM. You can make your own decision on HDD vs SSD, really depends if you need more storage.

If you move the laptop around more, that's a point in favour of SSD.

Watching videos, web browsing... not a problem on most/all laptops. Especially in the >$600 range.

yup, i prefer ssd because i don't need much storage

If you do gaming (Warcraft III is nothing, DoTA 2 is pretty low too), video editing, 3D rendering... then you might need something higher-specced, but that wanders into desktop territory.

Your web browser probably needs higher specs than Warcraft III :P

8:40 AM

lol, ya.

> 8 MB 3D video card (TNT, i810, Voodoo 3, Rage 128 equivalent or better) with DirectX® 8.1 support

Good lord.

Voodoo? haven't heard that in a looooong time.

DX8.1 came out with the original XP release - 2001!

Over a decade now...

> 400 MHz Pentium II or equivalent

My phone probably beats that.

And it requires less RAM than Windows itself :P

Yea, no problem at all.

9:03 AM

@Bob lol

9:20 AM

Just finished the first season of Brooklyn 99. That show is amazing!

11:56 AM

@allquixotic You have a relatively recent (CPU) Linux box, right? Could you try openssl speed rc4 and openssl speed aes?

12:15 PM

@Bob yeah, I have my Haswell i3 NUC, but I need to leave for work, I don't have enough time to bench it right now

if you remind me, I'll do it tonight (in about 12 hours) or this weekend

@Bob to be honest, the biggest limiting factor of my Yoga 2 (low-end as hell!) is the goddamn slow 5400rpm disk drive, which also seems to have next to no cache; combine that with only 4 GB of RAM and the significant swapping is annoying.

@allquixotic Thanks!

I know JimmyHoffa (who kinda disappeared :/) had a desktop-grade Ivy Bridge Pentium-branded chip, and said it was plenty fast... it's probably just slightly cut down from an i3... as far as processor, if price is important, I'd outright recommend one of the things. but Bay Trail Pentiums may be a bit TOO slow XD

Hm. It's a pain to figure out if openssl is even using AES-NI.

@allquixotic Yea, I recommended an i3 more for the GPU.

also, there's a significant difference in performance between the Ivy Bridge Pentiums and the Bay Trail Pentiums... the latter are lower voltage and cheaper and more cut-down

Do the Pentium chips use the same GPU?

@vzhen ^

12:20 PM

@Bob as far as I'm aware, Ivy Bridge and Haswell Pentiums use the same GPU core, but with fewer execution units... so, lower shader perf

Hm. Would've suggested an APU, but the CPU performance is pitiful :P

the Bay Trail one is even more cut-down on the execution units

but just to put it in perspective, Hearthstone is a 2013 casual game running on the Unity engine, and I get like 50 FPS on my Bay Trail-M

so it's not worthless

it's just not awesome

Celeron, however, is just crap -- always has been, always will be

even the very latest-gen Celerons are terrible. avoid.

@allquixotic Hm? In what way?

a desktop Ivy Bridge Pentium is enough to satisfy an enthusiast (JimmyHoffa) though

I've been considering a cheap Celeron replacement for an old P4 for a while now.

12:23 PM

@Bob well, if you can imagine an i7, cut down to an i5, cut down to an i3, cut down to a Pentium, cut down once more, that's a Celeron

I'm not sure an IVB/HAS Celeron would outperform a P4

@allquixotic Still beats the P4! :P

Not that that's a particularly high bar.

@allquixotic Benchmark-wise, it absolutely smashes it.

To put things into perspective, I'm pretty sure my first-gen Atom (N270) can (nearly?) match that P4.

oh yea, I forgot... P4 was a royal failure for Intel, one of their worst chips ever

something about its design, I forget the specifics, but that was around when AMD could rightly say "our CPUs are better; yours suck"

@allquixotic Ya, the one time AMD CPUs were actually good.

@allquixotic Extra-long pipelines.

gotta push that mhz higher, screw actual performance!

recent arches have pretty long pipelines too, but probably counterbalanced by # of cores

gotta go to work, back in you know... not long :P half hour mb

@allquixotic Better branch prediction?

> 20-stage instruction pipeline within the Willamette core

> The Prescott core has a 31-stage pipeline.

> The Penryn pipeline is 12–14 stages long

> Nehalem has 14 pipeline stages.

Sandy Bridge:

> A 14- to 19-stage instruction pipeline, depending on the micro-operation cache hit or miss.

Same for Ivy.

Same for Haswell:

> A 14- to 19-stage instruction pipeline, depending on the micro-operation cache hit or miss (has been working that way since the introduction of Sandy Bridge CPUs).

And the Pentium III had a 10-stage pipeline.

Hmm... other factors...

> Core's execution unit is 4 issues wide, compared to the 3-issue cores of P6, Pentium M, and 2-issue cores of NetBurst microarchitectures.

I have no idea what that means.

Something to do with instruction reordering/out-of-order execution?

12:43 PM

@Bob Is this good? westcoastshaving.com/…

@Boris_yo I dunno. Ask @JourneymanGeek :P

I've never used a Platinum.

Lamy is the only non-cheap FP I have.

@Boris_yo fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/…

The Balance is the PGB-3000, the Cool is the PGB-3000a, apparently.

@Boris_yo inknouveau.com/2013/08/platinum-cool-review.html

@Boris_yo fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/…

@Boris_yo fpgeeks.com/2013/04/platinum-cool-fountain-pen

According to that, it's just a clear version of the Balance.

So you should be able to look at PGB-3000 reviews too.

@Boris_yo penaddict.com/blog/2013/5/9/platinum-balance-fountain-pen-f-nib

Apparently a good nib.

1:25 PM

@Bob I was thinking the same thing :P

@Bob pleasantly surprised to read that Haswell's pipeline depth hasn't ballooned to Prescott levels

on the other hand, recent ARM SoCs have been trying to increase performance by lengthening their pipeline

1:55 PM

@allquixotic I wonder if they'll make the same mistake Intel did :P

jokerdino

2:18 PM

oh nice to know 2years and 2 months is roughly 800 days

@Braiam It actually compiles extensions for Firefox and Chrome/Opera as well

@OliverSalzburg so, it automagically converts my chrome extension into a firefox/opera addon?

@Braiam No, it builds everything from the userscript

I'm at a party right now. So my answers may be slightly delayed ;)

jokerdino

Ubuntu release party? I knew it.

2014.revision-party.net actually

2:29 PM

Weeellllll... opensslrampage.org/post/83007010531/…

Now would be a great time to just throw OpenSSL in the trash and start fresh.

@Bob at this point I have half a mind to try and resurrect that Fedora developer's work on supporting the OpenSSL API on top of NSS

won't help for crypto algorithms that certain programs may need which NSS doesn't even implement, but for TLS, it should actually work

as far as NSS security, I know it has had a few moderate-severity vulns reported over the years, but nothing quite as stupid as heartbleed or that one

I hope it's under enough scrutiny that it's actually somewhat sane in its implementation

and if the performance is slower, I don't give a flying fuck

it could have an O(N^N^N^3) procedure within it; whatever; I just want it to be secure

apparently OpenSSL's mission is "provide a blazingly fast library that implements standards-compliant crypto algorithms in the most insecure way possible, while taking great pains to not inform users of how insecure it is"

@allquixotic Let's not forget support nonexistent hardware: opensslrampage.org/post/83031733755/…

3:04 PM

@Bob but... but! what if Intel's next processor is big endian so that the host-to-network-order functions are no-ops?

4:46 PM

This one has good reputation where I live: cnet.com/products/tp-link-tl-wr941nd-wireless-n-router

!!stats

ChatBot John Cavil

@HackToHell User 16796 not found

6:46 PM

ugh, I have so much accrued technical debt in this one program I run weekly at work (C#+XML+REST+WinForms). I really need to set aside a block of time and scratch some of the itches that are bugging me... code duplication, not quite good enough abstractions, layering violations, little UI oddities, poor error handling...

it fundamentally works but it's awful and I'm a bad person... the good news is, no one else ever runs the program unless I'm out of office, so I'm the only one who has to live with the consequences (usually)

7:10 PM

@allquixotic Hi
What is better fluorescent bulb for reading?

7:43 PM

@Boris_yo huh?

@allquixotic Warm white, cool white, daylight?

A: How to configure raid on Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3

I don't use fluorescent bulbs anymore, I use LEDs

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presds 2 LD define menu and change assignement

what did you know, rodo? what did you know???

he had to register on SU specifically to tell us that?

his answer reads like he was typing it on his phone in a jail cell in a country known for human rights violations, and the corrections "officer" came back as he was typing it in so he had to hurry

we should be thankful he was able to capitalize LD

38k yay

8:02 PM

@OliverSalzburg Yee. \o/

Q: Are databases more expensive to host and serve than files?

8:21 PM

-1

I've observed a large percentage of hosts have very harsh limits on database space but generous limits on disk space. 100GB disk / 2 GB database seems quite common. To me, this makes little sense for the end user. I tend to think that most user-generated content would end up in the database, an...

database disk-space web-hosting

@OliverSalzburg ^^ should that be closed? what's your take? mega comment thread on the Q, btw

or @slhck if you're here

seems like a borderline Q to me, not sure whether to leave open... +1/-2 on the votes, 2 VTCs, 2 answers, lotsa comments

@allquixotic Sorry, I'm pretty drunk right now

8:50 PM

holly cow

that question has been open for what an hour and there are already 20+ comments...wow.

I don't usually do too much commenting but it's such a borderline question that I had to think about it a bit... I've actually gone back and forth between wanting to close it and wanting to keep it open several times ;p

it could just end up being one of those extremely rare questions that has a negative vote total but never gets closed... not a good fit, but allowed to exist

in practice there's a ridiculous amount of overlap between downvotes and questions that get closed and eventually deleted, but once in a blue moon you get... The Twilight Zone.... downvoted questions that remain open

Here is how I see it. There really isn't a technical reason beyond the memory implications of having a huge database I suppose. I think my comments expressed my feelings, the less space a database can have, the more databases can exist on the system.

@Ramhound I don't see it as a problem of space, but more of a problem about the fact that having things in a database, almost by default, broadcasts your intentions to expend non-trivial amounts of CPU power processing that data, whereas files laying around on a filesystem are statistically less likely to get processed with any frequency, and will probably just be copied verbatim over HTTP or FTP

so it's almost like they're limiting DB size to protect their CPU usage (which leads to, as you said, greater DB density) -- but I wouldn't peg the problem as one of capacity (either of RAM or disk space)

Its not about space its about memory usage and cpu usage your right.

I am so tempted to purchase that new linksys router :$

which? the revised WRT54G?

8:57 PM

Aye :-)

My e4200 v1 is ticking me off

can't seem to get a stable wireless connection ever since I upgraded the kernel on it.

But heard it contains an older linux kernel. There was a known issue with the previous version of the firmware I was using with forwarding ports, so now on top of the wireless stability issue, sort of willing to pull the trigger on it

even though i dont have a single 802.11ac device ;

> This is not an answer, but this system does not allow me to comment any other way.

Oh, people. When will you learn? "I have the same problem" is not a useful answer (or even a useful comment, for that matter, which is why you're not allowed to comment).

I slap myself everytime i see an answer like that

9:18 PM

On another note. I need to pull the bullet on my Surface Pro 2. My current plan purchase it through my Windows XP VM for the discount :-)

Wonder if they will also give me a student discount :$

I have a Pro 1; I'm skipping 2 and will see if it's worth upgrading to the 3 whenever it comes out

if the 3 has a Broadwell CPU, I'm buying it

if not, maybe I won't buy it

I need it for school only reason I am getting it. My current laptop is from 2004 ;-)

ouch!