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3:00 PM
well
 
it may not be powered on / consuming voltage but it does consume part of the die
 
i just want to save energy :D
its a thing like "if i can choose between burn it and leave it" i take the latter
 
@Megge saving energy is mostly incompatible with transcoding; while you're transcoding, you're going to be using a lot of energy no matter what, or your transcoding won't be able to keep up if the CPU is too weak
 
or "as much as possible" at least
 
but if your transcoding isn't 24/7, then you should use ivy bridge
 
3:00 PM
jeah i know
 
because ivy will use veeeeeeeery low energy when no transcoding
and very high energy when transcoding
 
transcoding will like once a day
that's my problem
 
Yeah but any new-core processor whatever the load is going to be better power consumption than an older gen running at 99% load. Aslong as it's not AMD lol
 
@allquixotic: The i5-2550K also doesn't have a GPU, but it's not 3rd generation.
 
@HaydnWVN exactly; newer gen (especially Intel) are huge on power efficiency, the CPU saves every watt it can
 
3:01 PM
95% of the time idle around at < 5% and the other 5% of the time i'll be good over 50%
 
the clock rate changes so frequently on my CPU that the applet that shows the CPU freq can't keep up
it changes like 20 times a second
CPU goes into deep sleep for a whole 2 ms
 
@HaydnWVN that's why I'm buying new stuff :D
 
I had an old Tbred B 1ghtz running as a home server. It used loads more power than my Q6600 gaming rig with high powered GPU etc
 
jeah, we even currently have a second (P4!!) running only for the mailserver
 
in general, smaller die size + more power management hardware (like Ivy's on-CPU voltage regulator) == better compute per watt
 
3:03 PM
And all it did was share files and idle 99.9% of it's life
 
that's why i want to consolidate that all into a new small machine
 
peefaw's are my favourites
 
compute per watt doesn't imply low energy consumption, though: if you have an excellent compute per watt ratio and a supercomputer, you're using more energy than your town
 
Sony VAIO Duo 11 to come in the mail today! Unfortunately, today is the day that I have Tai Chi after work, so I probably won't be getting home until around 9:30.
 
for keeping warm? ;)
 
3:03 PM
@allquixotic: Hm, not sure. Disabled is the word Wikipedia used. But there's no i5-3350, i5-3350K or anything else except the i5-3350P.
 
so your ONLY solution for not using much power is simply to stop computing
which would mean refrain from transcoding entirely
 
jeah that's for sure
 
@JourneymanGeek Nooo thats' the Athlons... My old server ~65 degrees idle
 
I'm prolly throwing some of my personal stuff onto the raspberry pi... prolly including my IRC server ;p
 
and thats celceus
 
3:04 PM
@HaydnWVN: oh they just catch fire
 
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@JourneymanGeek My crowning achievement was o/cing a tbred B 1.0 to 1.4 and keeping it stable
 
I don't overclock
 
admittedly it wasn't much under 90 degrees, but it was stable
 
@allquixotic This transcoding is just something I can't stop because its not me transcoding, I just provide the enviornment and want to make the best of it
 
3:05 PM
(i burnt out 3)
 
anyone try to overclock one of the "extreme" edition Pentium 4 Dual Core chips? if you've ever done that, you'd know, you can melt steel by touching it to the top of the CPU package
 
lol
@jokerdino: how could he have asked questions before and have.. 1 rep?
 
Show any current gen processor 90 degrees and you're looking at 'blue smoke event (tm)'
 
Bob
@allquixotic My first gen Atom netbook runs at like 10W when not doing anything intensive
 
3:07 PM
so jeah basically i can wrap my question up as: take a cheap i5 and a fitting board
 
Bob
still would be more than enough for a small mailserver; I would not count that as intensive :P
 
@Bob: I think SB and IB reach that levels of efficiencies or better
 
@Megge For any kind of virtualisation, newer the better
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Yea, but if you're splitting it up an Atom is not bad
 
jep
 
3:07 PM
@Megge: ya. and consider MATX
 
any recommondations concerning PSU and ram?
 
Bob
may actually reduce energy usage compared to virtualisation
 
@JourneymanGeek no idea. maybe he had a throwaway account?
 
what makes matx better compared to atx? less consumption?
 
3:08 PM
@Megge: at least 4, but as much as you can
 
@Megge The more money and better name you buy PSU wise the more energy/heat savings
 
PSUs, go for an 80+ PSU - they're more efficient
 
jup that's for sure
I meant any specific brands :)
 
I'm a huge Corsair PSU fan
 
Bob
also, keep your PSU above power requirements but don't overshoot by too much
They're typically most efficient when poewr usage is about 80% of their capacity
 
3:09 PM
ram i'll go for 4 gigs and upgrade to 8 if needed
 
Corsair PSUs are the most expensive but they have amazing build quality
I sometimes want to lick my Corsair PSU (when it's not powered on) just to appreciate how awesome it is
 
Bob
RAM is probably one of the cheapest components, both in terms of price and power consumption :P
 
lol
@allquixotic: I love their cases ;)
 
also, when looking at your HDD storage, you should take care to analyze the power vs performance tradeoff of your HDDs/tapes
HDDs in general consume a fair bit of energy, surprisingly
 
western digital red
 
3:10 PM
higher RPM consume more energy
 
Heh
 
they are built specifically for 24x7 usage :)
 
SSDs are very low power though aren't they?
 
Enermax every time for servers
 
jeah but storing hd films on ssd is crap :D
 
3:10 PM
When I game on my desktop in a particularly resource-intensive game, it's almost like sitting next to a space heater. The airflow is even particularly well that I can feel the hot air blowing up from under my desk. :P
 
lol
its prolly the graphics cards ;)
 
@sidran32 Radeon HD7970 + Einstein@home (BOINC) in GPU mode = discover the universe and fend off the winter
 
@Megge For storage why tape? You're probably better looking at some online backup solution and using idle time as your backup 'upload'
 
@allquixotic: ya
@allquixotic: he has 2 cards in crossfire
 
Einstein@home can crank up the 7970 to 100% utilization
 
3:11 PM
Well, it's that plus the fact that my heatsink/fan on my CPU is a beast and basically pipes the air straight out from my CPU and case.
 
the only single-card that's hotter is the GTX 680
 
uh well tape more or less cause i found a tape drive here ^^
 
It's definitely not my hard drives. :P They're Hybrid HDDs, and run cool as hell. :P
 
@sidran32 Which cooler and case?
@Megge Tape 'because' can be a problem... I've got loads of old DAT drives and tapes around... And don't use any of them
 
@HaydnWVN Cooler Master Storm Stryker for the case, and the CPU cooler/heatsink is the Cooler Master V8
I'm quite happy with Cooler Master
 
3:13 PM
the problem is we got really critical data here
erm
 
Ooooh V8's are good
 
sec i dont know the english word for that
ah jeah well "bookkeeping"
of a small company
 
love CM too, use their fans but currecnt setup is an old Lianli case with an Aero 7
 
and losing that data would suck!
 
@Megge how large is the very critical data?
 
3:14 PM
@HaydnWVN Most definitely. And I love how I have something that looks like a car engine, and is massive, sitting under the window of my case :P
 
i would back it up to a secure online cloud storage if it's that critical and not too big
Amazon S3 maybe
 
@Megge Tape doesn't mean you won't lose anything
 
jeah
 
or Glacier
 
but it's better than nothing :)
well as i said
 
3:14 PM
@HaydnWVN Ah, very cool.
 
tape was more or less just an idea
online backup is probably the way to go
 
I actually am also using a CM gaming mouse and keyboard. They're both very nice, as well.
 
@Megge Better than tape and 'better than nothing' is a USB disk you hook up once a week
 
Aside from the weirdo driver apps they have.
 
only thing is i really really don't want to lose my music (around 250 gb, growing) and thats a bit bigger
 
3:15 PM
Amazon Glacier has a very high data retention claim (low probability of losing anything) but if you have to read from the backups frequently, bad solution, then use S3 instead
@Megge Amazon Glacier is 1 US cent per gigabyte :D
per month
 
jeah okay
affordable .D
 
$2.50 USD per month for 250 GB of data
 
jeah? German?
 
@Megge Better than tape and 'better than nothing' is a USB disk you hook up once a week
 
i'm running raid 5 or raid 10 anyway so losing data isn't that critical
 
3:16 PM
jejejejeje
 
jajajaja Spanish
 
Bob
@HaydnWVN you said that twice :P
 
but jeah that's probably what i gonna do
 
@Bob Connection problems :P retry / cancel
 
weekly backup to a seperate device
and maybe to be really safe the core stuff to an online service
i guess the database would even fit inside dropbox
(encrypted, ofc)
 
3:18 PM
@allquixotic but jeah is german right?
 
ah one thing left: why choose matx over atx?
 
@Megge Throw it on a gold DVDR, archive, sorted
faster than tape/online
 
I'll think about it
good thing about online is, it is 100% automated
thanks for the hints :)
 
Very true, then again it doesn't take much to setup a scheduled batch file ;)
 
@Megge: lower cost if you don't need the PCI-e sockets and such
 
3:20 PM
ah ok
jeah thats a point
 
I was considering this when specing out the computer I wanted to build ;p
 
@allquixotic why no SETI@Home
 
cya guys, gotta do some math here :)
 
@Megge cya
 
3:23 PM
@HackToHell SETI not on GPU
 
I'm looking up some user images of the V8 on Amazon and all I can say about this one is Oh God, why?
 
@allquixotic oh, that sucks
 
Oh, nevermind. I thought that was a mini-ITX :P
 
@HackToHell SETI's data isn't a good fit for a SIMD GPGPU
 
3:24 PM
matx
almost as bad
@sidran32: worse, PICO ITX
 
@JourneymanGeek Haha
 
@sidran32 Americans hey rolleyes
 
@HaydnWVN I almost want to see what it would look like, now :p
 
NANO ITX!!!!!!!!!!!!! motherboard the size of the head of a pin
 
:P
 
3:26 PM
lol
there are nano and pico ITX boards - via designs mostly
 
755Ghz? Minimum 1000Ghz required? WTF?
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Q: synctoy won't install with intel pentium M 755.2 GHz

William HunterI cannot sync files with synctoy from my laptop because it will not install, presumably because laptop is only 755.2 GH intel pentium m (synctoy says it needs 1000GH computer). Is there a solution (I love my laptop too much to change).

 
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it sounds off if its mhz too
 
yeah
 
This is how my computer looks, now:
 
pentium Ms are at least 1 ghz
 
3:28 PM
x-y problem?
 
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It's hard to take a good photo of this case that represents its beauty. :P
 
Also, I wish lighted fans more often had separate connections for powering the fan and the lights individually
 
I installed 2 extra lighted fans in the case, but I can't control the lights on them individually, like I can the pre-installed fans.
 
3:31 PM
its something that annoys me on my case...
 
Yeah
 
I'm not even visiting this webpage because of the title alone would probably trigger several alarms down the hall, but I do declare that the actual article content is SFW... www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/13/ventblockers
(I've seen it before at home)
@sidran32 this picture reminded me of that article
 
@sidran32 mod mod mod ;)
 
@HaydnWVN I looked. The LEDs are really in there and it'd be more work than it'd be worth it to fix them :P
 
unsolder them and create your own light system :P
(or just buy fans without lol)
 
3:33 PM
@allquixotic I've seen stuff like that in machines I had to clean out. :P Check out reddit.com/r/techsupportgore
I'm so addicted to that subreddit.
@HaydnWVN I'm gonna create my own custom power light setup in the case. Only thing I don't like about it: the power indicator is powered directly off the PSU, so I don't get any sleep state lighting.
 
@sidran32 i love tsgore
 
@sidran32 have you seen a spider-infested desktop? that's gotta be the creepiest thing
 
@sidran32 Straight from the PSU? Not from mobo?
 
@allquixotic not in person. I would just be amused, though. Spiders don't bother me. Now, centipedes, that would freak me out.
 
@sidran32 i call them spikers, and have nightmares where their feet have sharp knife-like spikes on them
 
3:35 PM
@HaydnWVN Yeah. There's a molex that plugs into the front panel that powers all lighting in the case (except the HDD light). The power LED connection off the motherboard isn't used at all.
 
@sidran32 Gah! I'd have that straight out! (i'm a mod freak)
I previously wired CD-ROM, Power and HDD activity LED's into an extension to my keyboard so i didn't have to look under the desk... :P
 
@HaydnWVN I plan on getting an adapter (posted on EE.SE for this, actually) and power a 12V LED spotlight under the front grill for my power light, controlled with the mobo power LED connection.
 
@sidran32 now add motion sensors so that the case lights itself when you open it up to change out a component
 
@sidran32 Pretty sure they're not 12v connections on the mobo so go careful lol
 
@allquixotic I still haven't hooked up my temperature probes. I don't want my case to get that much tangled a wirey mess. It has a window, after all.
@HaydnWVN I know. It's 3.3V. That's why I posted on EE.SE about it. :P Someone on there said he once controlled a halogen lamp off the HDD light indicator.
 
3:39 PM
@sidran32 Nice, pretty easy with an inverter and just use the 3.3V as a signal
actually if its 12V you wouldn't even need to invert it from the PSU
 
@HaydnWVN Precisely. I'll have to probably get some external power to the 12V light so it'll be lit during standby mode, but that shouldn't be too problematic.
Yeah, if only the PSU didn't shut down (mostly) in S3.
 
but would be nice to test it has no other knock-ons to the PSU to suck 12v on and off
I had an older server with an ATX PSU that powered an AT PSU for just fans and lights...
 
I might have an external 12V wall adapter, or (preferably, if possible), get an internal rechargeable 12V battery pack that I could charge off the PSU while the computer is powered on while not in standby.
 
used a light sensor next to the power LED :D
 
Aha :P
For reference, this is what I posted on there:
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Q: Use 3.5V power LED connection on motherboard to control a 12V lighting accessory in a computer case?

sidran32Background for the problem: I rebuilt my computer in a new case where the components fit a bit better. Everything is great, and I have no issues with it. However, because of the way they engineered the front panel LEDs, I don't have an LED indicator of computer sleep status. The power light is p...

The solution seems quite doable. I just have to find time to do it :P
 
3:44 PM
@sidran32 That;s always the way
one of my 5.25" drive bays has a load of holes drilled into it as i started to make my own fanbus as they're so over priced... I fabricated the basic circuit to do it but never built it properly and finished it off
 
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the holes have been there for 5 years now lol
 
"I have illegal language skills because English is not my native."
 
@HaydnWVN On a finished case like that, I don't want to drill anything. I would feel like I was defacing a work of art. :P
 
@r.tanner.f O_o
 
3:57 PM
@r.tanner.f oversmart dumbass
 
If he is in MIT, he a mugger
or he bribed
/he is
 
Yay! Made it to 2k.
 
@sidran32 Lol tell me about it... My current Lianli is a 'PC75'... I bought it 10 years ago and didn't use it for about5 years... Then found out i needed an additional 'adaptor' to mount an ATX PSU correctly... Beautiful case, PITA when needing anything changing
 
congrats :)
 
@HaydnWVN Yeah. Also, while I have no qualms with using power tools, I don't do it enough to feel confident that I might end up messing something up. Given my slight OCD tendencies, even an uneven edge or a slightly offset hole would bug the heck out of me.
 
@HaydnWVN Oh, very nice. Square and low-key :P
 
@sidran32 Yeah and all aluminium so it's really light and fairly strong... I've modded handles into the top, changed the PSU mount at the back and have a side panel with a full window (like the picture - wasn't available when i ordered mine)
@sidran32 Most annoying thing ever are the cheap and crappy BEIGE plastic feet with crappy silver spray-paint on them
 
Aha
 
they're loose, get scratched and make the case unstable on any solid surface :(
 
Bob
4:10 PM
@HackToHell argh! stop linking me there! :P
Cracked.com is another inexplicable browser narcotic.  They could write a list of '17 worst haircuts in the Ottoman Empire' and I'd read through to the end, then click on all the links at the end.
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xkcd is amazing !
 
:D
 
This may cause some issues brushing my teeth. http://t.co/xfoCvv5S
 
Cracked is the same way. Amusingly, I never got that with tvtropes.
 
Would a question about fitting a specific fan in a specific case be on topic here? Not sure if I can fit a Corsair H100 in an Antec 300 case (both are common products)
 
4:14 PM
Wikipedia is that way for me
 
Bob
@sidran32 See the mouseover text :P
 
@BenBrocka Sure, that's on topic for this chat. Not sure about a SU question but definitely the chat
 
@KronoS your cat ?
 
Bob
I do that with just about everything :\
Reddit recently
 
@HackToHell yep
 
4:14 PM
narcotic cracked.com lol
@KronoS cute <3
@Bob Reddit is an endless hole
 
@BenBrocka We've been talking about hardware all morning, anyway
 
@Bob Hah, yes.
 
Bob
@KronoS I suddenly feel a need for a cat :P
 
Well, here's the fan (the dual exhaust fan is the problem, the water block has plenty of room) and here's the case
 
4:16 PM
Damn... I need to learn Ruby
 
The case does have a 2 fan slot but I'm not sure sure
A) the hoses are long enough to reach the front from the MoBo
B) I can fit the fans in front of the hard drive slots
 
this is my case:
There we go
 
This is my computer case
 
@KronoS Is that grill on the side all availible for fan mounting?
 
@BenBrocka yes... comes with a 220mm fan, but you can install 4 100mm if you want
 
4:24 PM
We're thinking I might just have to get a new case. Sounds like the H100 is a big step up from the H80 (which I know will fit, however)
 
The top is built for Liquid Cooling systems
 
Bob
congrats to Vladimir Sinenko for level 4
would need a mod to get him in chat, though :P
 
@KronoS How so?
 
@BenBrocka Just mention him like this: Congratulations, @VladimirSinenko, on level 4!
Should have pinged him.
 
4:26 PM
@KronoS oh, the hydro series doesn't require refilling normally, that I'm aware of
 
Lunchtime, bbl
 
How tragic, Jersey Shore was destroyed by the hurricane /sarcasm
 
@BenBrocka Oh nice! But the top rack is built for the cooling systems
 
@KronoS yeah, that'd fit the fan for sure
 
@KronoS That just looks wrong :D
 
4:28 PM
@BenBrocka mine right now has a 220mm attached on top
 
Just sucks I have to ditch the case already, got it a couple months ago. Even got blue SATA cables for it
@KronoS that a full tower?
 
@BenBrocka yes... but personally if you're willing to purchase a new one I would go with this guy:
It's got more features that are worthwhile IMO
 
@BenBrocka don't ditch it, mail it to me... I could use a new case...
10 mins ago, by Joshua
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Ouch, $180. That's 3x what I paid for the antec
I guess if I'm already getting the new proc and cooler though...
 
@BenBrocka If the antec is in good condition it'd sell well
@BenBrocka Failing that... Mod it to fit! :D
 
4:37 PM
@BenBrocka ya CM cases are spendy... but for a good reason. They are great cases
 
The Antec is in perfect condition (just some cat hair in the filters). I'd just like to get it to fit if I can. I'll try some measurements
@KronoS yeah, I wouldn't need to worry about replacing the case any time soon
 
@BenBrocka Like me with my Lianli... Bought it and didn't use it for 6 years... Now 5 years later on i'm still going to use it for a new setup
 
This is my first desktop for a while, bought it for gaming/recording. Went sort of conservative because I wasn't 100% sure how much I'd use it. Turns out it almsot completely replaced my laptop, so further upgrades might be in order
Wasn't picky with the case or power supply and I probably should have been. Non-modular PSU sucks
 
Hindsight is a great thing most of the time...
 
At least I get a chance to sell the CPU before I get a new one. Figured I could never sell a used, (software) OC'd CPU, but my mom's getting a new PC anyway, so I'm selling it to her and building her rig
 
4:47 PM
I am usually quite pciky with my PSU's after one blew up and took my motherboard, RAM and one of the CPU's with it.
 
@Hennes Youch. It's not a low quality PSU, it just doesn't have modular cabling, which is annoying
 
Mine was not low quality either. :(
It was a while ago though. Back when a dual Athlon MP2200+ was fast.
Ye goodl old days when one socket == one core
 
Was it a surge/dip or what?
 
No dip. The other computers in the room stayed up.
 
I've been meaning to get a UPS for my PC, the wiring in my house is crap
 
4:53 PM
Just a failure. I walked to the server. Down.
This was behind an UPS (APC smartUPS 1500VA)
 
Oh, damn
 
PSU no longer worked. Motherboard (tyan tiger) was dead. DIMM (1x 512MB ECC) was dead. One of the CPU's was dead. NIC (PCI 64bit, 66Mhz, dual copper eithernet) worked fine. PCI card (HW RAID to a shelf with SCSI drives) was also fine. GPU (matrox G200) was fine
 
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A: Windows 8 doesn't boot up, only black screen and cursor

sidran32If you need to restore the Windows boot loader after using GRUB (or something similar) and subsequently deleting its installation, you can use the Windows setup disk. The following refers to the Windows 7 installation media, but Windows 8 should have similar options from the disc. Boot onto the ...

Hope I covered everything well enough.
 
This was 3 years after I got out of uni. I had the money for nice hardware. But not so much I just bought proper prebuild servers
 
@sidran32 Did you break the list formatting on purpose?
 
4:56 PM
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A: If I upgrade windows 7 to 8 in one drive can I copy the installation to another drive?

Jared TritschBecause of the way NTFS partitions work, you would need to ensure that the partition on the old drive is small enough to be replicated onto the SSD. Then you can use something like Clonezilla or some other drive cloning utility to migrate the data onto the new drive. As long as nothing else on ...

can i get two votes on this questions so I can get back into tier 3?
 
Oh well, if you don't like it you'll have to revert my edit now ;D
 

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