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12:02 AM
@MonicaCellio I'd definitely favor a less brilliant background
 
12:46 AM
@caseyr547: You responded to AffableGeek in a comment "our entire word of faith denomination teaches this it is really a core doctrine" -- I'm having difficulty interpreting that statement. Is the core doctrine about (1) being armed or (2) a method of interpreting Scripture? I'm assuming the second...
 
1:04 AM
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Q: whats with all the haters especially against atheists

caseyr547I wrote this question and answer to explain why christians suffer resisting sin and its really received many downvotes and even nearly has 5 votes to close. My question actually received more down votes than a question that was actually calling christianity something other than good. How do Chris...

 
1:21 AM
@RyanFrame sorry i'm not getting updates very quickly for some reason
 
@casey547: Neither am I.
 
our whole denomination is largely republicans from the south and ohio
many of us believe that we should have a weapon of sorts
because of that verse
its something which is activly taught
 
I see.
 
right after that verse ministers will go to genesis
and say even God hunted
because He did
 
 
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4:12 PM
@waxeagle i cant really chat for a few hours but if you would like to type something i'll read it then and respond :)
 
Overall I'm concerned with the tack your taking and how it fits with the idea of an Expert level site. We're not here to answer simple questions and answers, the idea behind this (and all SE sites) is to ask and answer expert level questions. For people who are knowledgeable in the subject are to ask and answer questions.
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One of the most basic protections that we use is to make sure everyone involved in a question is speaking the same language. IE a doctrinal framework or denomination or something to scope it down.
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This is essentially and basically equivalent to indicating the language, framework or algorithm your using on SO or indicating the game system your playing on RPG.
Without details like this questions become fundamentally unanswerable because there is no agreement about what constitutes a right answer.
There is a spectrum of objectivity across SE 2.0 sites. They range from hard science sites (Math, Physics, Chem) where most questions are going to be able to be objectively answerable to softer sites like Programmers and The Workplace.
Religion sites fall in the middle. there are some things that are objectively answerable and there are other things that are inherently subjective.
RPG is the same way. It's a twofold subject, it has rules and group dynamics. Rules questions are generally answerable objectively. Group dynamics questions are much more carefully considered.
Our argument here is that in general we want to focus on objectively answerable questions. Which means we want to focus on doctrines and teachings confined to specific systems.
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More subjective questions do well at times, but often devolve into bickering and arguments. We have found, over time and through much practice and trial and error that the best, most informative questions are the objective ones "what does church x teach about y" or "how does doctrine x interact with doctrine y" or "x said y, how does that interact with z".
My concern is trying to defend questions that don't match up with this. What we're asking when we ask a person to scope their question to a specific doctrine/denomination is really "did you do some research to figure out who cares about this or what aspect of this you actually care about?"
Because we want people who spend a few minutes researching their questions and trying to figure out what aspects they care about. What are they trying to learn. What's the point of their question.
I can ask "Is God Love?" but what do I learn when the answer is "yes" or "no". A much better questions might be "How does the Roman Catholic teaching on the Love of God jive with the Catholic teaching on Purgatory?"
and then show some of my reasearch on the subject and why it seems contradictory or confusing or whatever.
The bar to ask questions should be high.
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anyways @RyanFrame hows you?
 
4:39 PM
I'm doing well. Busy day today.
 
@waxeagle i had a delay so i have a few minutes to respond
I understand your concern at my view of the site
i know se is not a christian site
and the moderators and users are not expected to be christ like
but its frustrating when they are obviously predjudiced
something that isnt even accept in amoung the unbelievers
then when they dismiss those they disagree with or pass judgment on people who are incapable of properly responding
like the newb
or the atheist
i think the moderators encourage behavior that christ would not but your not tasked by christ but the se framework
like i think of the parable of the good samartain
and i see all the downvotes and closers
as people who major on passing on the other side
then sometimes when someone wants to help
the moderators block whatever limited assistance they try to provide
i've heard the word expert so many times in connection to why you do this
but really i doubt that anyone truly qualifies to be an expert in christianity
regardless of their credintials
 
@caseyr547 Before you go too much further, could you unpack that? How are the moderators prejudiced?
 
they are so afraid of confrontation that they remove anything that might be written by someone who isn't a christian or an expert at asking questions about christianity with the se framework
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Q: Are questions from atheists welcome here?

Mad ScientistThere are quite some posts here on meta about questions asked in "bad faith". I get the distinct impression that questions asked from an atheist perspective are not really welcome here. The posts mentioning questions asked in "bad faith" did not cite specific examples, so I am left wondering on w...

 
@caseyr547 Actually this is part of the reason for some specific aspects of the scope. We know this. But we expect that people are experts in aspects of Christianity.
 
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Q: whats with all the haters especially against atheists

caseyr547I wrote this question and answer to explain why christians suffer resisting sin and its really received many downvotes and even nearly has 5 votes to close. My question actually received more down votes than a question that was actually calling christianity something other than good. How do Chris...

@waxeagle most se sites do not expect the askers to be experts in the field
nor do they expect them to have strict forms of asking
 
4:52 PM
@caseyr547 no, and we don't here. But every site does desire a minimum research effort.
 
espcially with the whole idea of truth questions being unwelcome
@waxeagle i asked about LMGTFY questions and no one really cares about them here
 
@caseyr547 what's the right way to write a FOR loop?
 
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Q: Who are "Born again" Christians?

Kyomu"Born again" is a term most often attributed to Christians. Yet what exactly does it mean, and what does the the use of the term encompass? What is a "born again" Christian? Are they of a specific denomination? Where does the term "born again" come from?

that one is highly praised
but when an atheist asks this
Do Christians ever publicly acknowledge that their practical, sociological and political recommendations deriving from an ideology which might just be wrong could be harmful (again, any literature -- I haven't found any)?

To give some examples of possibly wrong-headed social policies:

- insistence on holding people to an impossible standard and then instilling guilt in their minds (sin / confess / repeat) causes psychological distress and prevents some people from reaching their potential in life
they are downvoted and closed
 
@caseyr547 by who? 8 upvotes is hardly highly praised. And that's not a good question.
 
@waxeagle from my perspective its highly upvoted
 
4:55 PM
@caseyr547 Just to note: the question on the main site got closed by non-diamond-moderators. Is your complaint about the entire community?
 
i only have 7 upvotes max
 
@caseyr547 pair of things. 1 votes rarely indicate quality. and 2. 8 upvotes is not high at all. High to me starts at 10, but really doesn't get serious until you're looking at 20
 
@JonEricson no that was just my question i could care less about that
this is the question that was closed by the moderators let me find it
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Q: Do any major Christian traditions have documented ways of dealing with religious doubt?

user4813Many religions claim to be the only true religion, including most branches of Christianity. Among the major Christian traditions, are there any documented statements of faith that include the possibility that their own beliefs might not be the "one true religion"? In other words, is there any li...

 
@caseyr547 But my point is that most of the C.SE community supports the idea of closing "Truth questions".
 
@JonEricson have you polled the community?
sent an email to everyone asking what they think
 
4:58 PM
@caseyr547 hmm closed by 3 users and a moderator, edited by a moderator, reopened by a moderator. What's wrong with that?
 
or is this just what you think comunity believes
 
@caseyr547 that would violate both SE practice and policy very hard.
@caseyr547 it's been heavily vetted on meta.
 
ok vocal people on meta like the idea of filtering truth question
have you considered that to be artifical
 
Becuase meta is where we make site policy decisions. If people choose not to be active there then they don't get to have a voice in site policy
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and to answer you question it was so drastically change that none of the main points which were asked got answered
- insistence on holding people to an impossible standard and then instilling guilt in their minds (sin / confess / repeat) causes psychological distress and prevents some people from reaching their potential in life

- encouragement of the disenfranchised to submit to their oppressors furthers tyranny and delays the improvement of living conditions for billions of victims

- opposition to birth control creates tragedies for unprepared parents and unwanted babies

- opposition to pre/extra-marital sex detract from the quality of life of their victims, while also causing guilt and psychologic
they asked those questions
and i'm trying to be active on meta not supporting the truth question ideas
and really i've been activly shot down
 
5:00 PM
@caseyr547 great. glad to hear it.
 
and encouraged not to continue
 
@caseyr547 you're welcome to continue to air the sentiment. But it's not a popular one and counter to site policy so far.
 
@caseyr547 As a hint, it really helps to make persuasive arguments and to acknowledge the prior discussions. We took a long time to settle on this policy and it's not easy to reverse it.
 
@JonEricson @waxeagle ok my delay has been resolved i have to leave
 
@caseyr547 look forward to continuing this later.
 
5:03 PM
Part of the reason we settled here is because not having the policy made the site a miserable place to visit.
 
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A: Has the Gospel been completely preserved textually and linguistically since the time of Jesus?

fredsbendIt is clear that there is little reason to doubt that the New Testament we have was really close or even exactly what what originally written. There is a way to test the possibility of textual 'perversion' from the original texts. Historians commonly use a method called the bibliographical test....

I was hoping for a little better than -1. Oh well.
 
5:25 PM
@fredsbend there again, that whole question is outside the core skill set of our userbase. Looks like a good bit of research. Who knows who downvoted it...
plus it's not on the front page anymore. that doesn't help you. the only person who probably got notified is the OP
 
5:52 PM
@waxeagle I have a good guess who down voted. It was more of an experiment in making late answers. As I hypothesized, up votes on late answers are not typically upvoted past 1 or 2 despite their quality and effort put in to them.
 
@fredsbend again, keep in mind that you didn't get a bump from that because it was already voted off the front page.
normally a late answer auto bumps and then you get front page billing until the page turns over
in other words, putting a bunch of work into an answer on a -3/-4 question won't be rewarding rep wise
 
6:27 PM
@waxeagle So you are saying that negative score questions are not bumped to the top of the active list when edited or answered?
 
6:37 PM
questions of score -3 or worse are never shown on the homepage.
@fredsbend I'm working on an answer to your meta post. I'm having trouble with generalizations like "most Christians are conservative" and a few others that really only hold in the US
 
@waxeagle Well, I will surely remember that. I will test this again with a different question I have in mind. Isn't there a badge about late answers. Something like 30 days after op if you get the selection?
 
@fredsbend yep
there are a couple of them actually
 
@waxeagle For the record, that is what I am referring to. I really don't know much about Christians outside of the USA.
Affable. I have a question for you.
@AffableGeek ^^
 
@fredsbend K. I'll address it directly in my answer then. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't misinterpreting
 
6:42 PM
btw @fredsbend, I liked what you wrote there, and did +1 it...
 
@AffableGeek You commented on this and I commented with a question for you, but you didn't answer.
 
@waxeagle I'm not even sure that's a useful generalization within the US. (But I'm of the opinion that generalization is not valid when it comes to Christianity at all.)
 
@AffableGeek Thanks. Love that rep. My birthday is in a few weeks. Me thinks rep is a great gift. lol
 
Yeah - so, it wasn't really sarcasm, but when I go back I'm less impressed with the answer
 
@JonEricson it's not. I'm at best a moderate at worst a flaming lib
 
6:45 PM
And so it's agreed, Bounties are great Birthday presents. January 17th, everybody! :)
 
@AffableGeek Ok. You are one of the high rep posters I try to imitate, so when I don't understand if you approved of a post or not I wonder.
 
So, @fredsbend I was trying mostly to encourage somebody who thought to actually do some MSS. research. What I liked was that it really did seek to say, "here are the facts on the ground about the manuscripts we have", ergo the encouragement
(And thanks!)
 
@waxeagle I would bet the demographics support my statement: Most Christians [USA] are in fact politically conservative.
 
When I look at his first sentence, however, I realize that I was missing an altogether off-answer
Because indeed, the Gospels really were written very close to the events
All this to say, don't vote when you have a headache :)
@fredsbend That would be an amazingly good question to ask on Politics. btw.
 
@fredsbend possible. But With population centers being largely liberal areas we'd have to see the actual demographics to know. And both major minority groups are highly Christian and vote liberal
 
6:49 PM
I'm very conservative myself, but more and more I'm finding genuine Christians who are somehow able to vote Democrat. Kind of floored me when I first saw it, but it is true!
 
I'd accept that American White Christians are largely conservative.
 
@waxeagle Yes, definitely this. The minorities and blue collar workers pull it back to the liberal side.
 
@AffableGeek for me, at least, I find most conservatives to be terribly misguided on basic human dignity issues. And i'm finding the two issues that draw Christians to conservatives to be less and less important to me politically.
in part because the way conservatives are approaching those issues are so horribly misguided and dishonest
 
@waxeagle I like to think I'm in a class of its own. I tend libertarian.
 
@fredsbend oh and libertarians horrify me more than regular conservatives :)
 
6:52 PM
@waxeagle I knew you were going to say that.
 
(their politics, not the people)
 
And that's the rub - I'm for state both being moral and acting morally. Abortion and Gay Marriage are wrong, Welfare designed to help people is actually good. In the US, I'm finding it difficult to find a party that does that.
Hence my complete disdain for the Tea Party - no welfare and who cares what immorality people get into it
 
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Q: How should we handle questions about Christian culture?

fredsbendWe have recently received a few questions that were not on doctrine, per se, but actually reflected a curiosity about current Christian culture in a specific geographic area. Here are some examples: Are Christians in the North (USA) less likely to be Republican? What Doctrine Supports The Chr...

 
@AffableGeek Yep. That's why I'm libertarian. If government just stays out of moral issues then the moral issue is no longer a political issue. For me, politics is based on simplifying things.
 
@waxeagle When I tell people I'm communiatrian (high tax and high social laws), they look at me like I've grown a second head
 
6:53 PM
@StackExchange Wow! You're slow!
 
@AffableGeek lol :)
@fredsbend yes.
 
@AffableGeek You want more taxes and more government interference on your personal life?
 
@AffableGeek Or Skeptics. I assume it would be easy to find a notable claim.
 
@AffableGeek My disdain for the tea party is that they all seem to talk too much and rarely listen.
 
6:56 PM
@fredsbend there's that too :) but that's politicians in general
 
@JonEricson Those skeptics hate religious questions. On one had I would post it on Politics but on the other I would post it on Skeptics just to annoy them
 
@fredsbend Even if true, that's not a "useful generalization". The minority groups are too important to sweep under the rug. It's the same reason we can't generalize that Christians are Trinitarian.
 
@waxeagle No, I mean the followers. Loud mouthed jerks is the typical one I meet.
@JonEricson No one is getting swept under the rug. The sub-culture I am referring to is ultra-patriotic, consertative/republican Christians.
 
@fredsbend Seriously - and I say this as a die-hard conservative who really started reading my Bible - I believe that people need help. Grant you, I'd prefer that it would be the church playing the role it did historically in providing for both the welfare of its citizens and encouraging a better society, but in leiu of that, people who are hurting need help/
I've worked in prisons, in food kitchens, and a lot of other places where people desparately need guidance
 
@fredsbend Au contraire. Questions tagged religion are quite common on Skeptics.SE.
 
6:59 PM
@JonEricson Well, I guess they just don't like mine.
It seems to put them on edge.
Religion that is.
 
In our fragmented culture, people don't know their right hand from their left, and so any help is better than nothing. Whoever decided that the "social Gospel" needed to be separated from the "Gospel" wasn't really onto anything...
 
@AffableGeek Do you support a church state?
 
@AffableGeek they might have been on something though
 
:)
A state is supposed to keep order, a church is supposed to foster conditions of life, and the two toegther have too much power to override free will
 
7:01 PM
I'm a big believer in the social gospel. I've seen people come to Christ through social welfare programs. Particularly sustainable ones that help them use their own resources to better their situation.
(this happens to be the work my parents do)
 
But what a state can do is set the conditions whereby people have the information to turn to the church for guidance :)
@waxeagle Yay Your parents!
 
@AffableGeek I sincerely want to help people, too. But just because I want to doesn't mean I have to make my neighbor give up what is his to help anybody. My desire to help people is an introverted issue. There is no biblical reason for me to force someone to be charitable.
 
@AffableGeek my mom has her masters in community development. they're off to Zimbabwe in a couple of weeks here to start their ministry there :)
 
@waxeagle Wow! That's one of the actually few scary places I believe exist. This from a guy who has worked in body armour in Afghanistan and felt quite secure, and lived through Maoist uprsings in Nepal. ZImababwe scares me
@fredsbend I'm not saying the government should compel good works, but I'm kind of sick of this unwritten rule that taxes are always bad.
@waxeagle Once the transitional government is able to prove itself slightly independent of Mugabe, I'd be less scared, but all the power to your parents. They are doing an amazing thing
 
@AffableGeek they'll be in Bulawayo and working with an established church in the city so hopefully they won't be subject to too much turmoil
@AffableGeek yep, they've done the slightly chaotic gov't thing before though on a slightly less crazy scale (Ecuador is unstable but on the South American scale not the African one)
@fredsbend I think of the 3 questions you listed in your meta post one of those could be reopened fairly easily. The other two are likely unsalvagable
 
7:31 PM
@waxeagle I think the last two are on-topic. I agree about the first, but it does show that this sub-culture exists and some of the answers show that doctrines are being made from it.
 
@fredsbend yeah, mixing current conservatism and Christianity has scary results.
I don't have a problem with armed Christians. I do have a problem with Christians claiming they have a biblical mandate to be armed. It's just not there. that said, those folks have a place here and a question about their doctrines is welcome provided i can stay free of the political baggage that comes with it.
there are lots of things I believe to be far worse heresies that are just fine here.
 
True religion never stems from the barrel of a gun (christianity.stackexchange.com/a/12028/1039).
i gotta skiddadle though...
 
7:48 PM
@fredsbend Nonsense. Paying your dues isn't charity. Charity is extra. Paying your dues is ethically necessary.
 
@TRiG ah hello, how are things?
 
@TRiG Affable seems to imply that taxes for the sake of welfare (charity) should be mandated. I was certainly not talking about the taxes that cover road construction, water and electrical, military, etc. I'm talking about the taxes that take money from somebody and give it to another.
 
@fredsbend Yes. So was I.
You do not have a right to that money when someone else needs it. (I say on holiday in Brighton, having just been in France.)
 
@fredsbend I find that government is far better equipped to help those in need than others are. that's not to say the US gov'ts programs don't need to be fixed, but they are in a better position to help all of those who need it than local organizations.
 
@TRiG Scary. I'm afraid you don't have my vote for office.
 
7:53 PM
@waxeagle Went to France for a h2g2 meet-up: train to Rosslaire, ferry to Roscoff, train to Reims. Stayed three days. Great fun. Train to London. Arrived evening, stayed night, met friend following day, then train to Brighton to visit relatives.
@fredsbend Funny how almost every philosophy of ethics ever, including every single Christian one, would agree with me, not you, isn't it?
 
@TRiG I'd guess that he'd prefer the services rendered by gov't vis-a-vis social welfare be rendered by NGO's.
 
@waxeagle The government may be well equipped, however, it tends to be terribly inefficient. It costs the IRS (USA) roughly $0.30 to collect $1. Just to take your money they manage to spend 30% of it.
@TRiG This could turn into a very long debate.
 
@fredsbend And, to be honest, I'm more interested in the ethical than the political dimensions right now.
 
What's scary is not the principle. What is scary is who is deciding when someone needs it and when I don't.
@TRiG Well, on the ethics, we probably agree more than you think. It's the politics that we probably very much disagree.
 
@fredsbend Perhaps. And I'm happy to get into political debates sometimes, but I'm on holiday, y'know?
 
8:00 PM
@TRiG Nice. I just got back from a 6 day in San Diego. Went to Sea World.
 
@fredsbend have you seen the overhead most charities have? United Way isn't dissimilar
 
Anyway, let's have another debate: should hats be worn while praying? (This is actually something Witnesses have a doctrine on.)
 
@TRiG For men or women. ;-)
 
@waxeagle Yes, might be similar. But that is the overhead to collect AND deliver. Last I checked, the IRS only collects.
 
@JonEricson Witness answer: When praying alone it's unimportant. When leading a group (which a woman should do only if no qualified males are present), a woman must wear a head covering and a man must not.
 
8:07 PM
@TRiG Amazing what some people think is actually important to God. I mean, if you were omnipotent, and created the entire universe, and at have full understanding of all that is, would you really care if a person giving you a sincere prayer is wearing a hat or not?
 
However, the question was mainly an excuse to link to a funny article about a very strange Quaker who tried to convert the Pope.
@fredsbend Or what sex the person they're bumping uglies with is?
@fredsbend It's one of the few bits of ritual the Witnesses have, so it seems odd even to them, as they're unused to ritual, but they tend to stick to it.
Got to go.
 
@TRiG That gives me an excuse to pull out a quote from a friend's Facebook status:
> The problem isn't sex, it's marriage. A right and praiseworthy belief about marriage would fix much that is wrong in our attitudes about sex.
And:
> The problem isn't defining marriage, it's about who gets to define marriage. Either marriage is divine and purposeful, or it is mundane and arbitrary.
 
@TRiG Well, now, that's a different case. JK. I think the Bible supports well that if you want to please God, He will help you do just that. God reads the heart. If you, at your core, do not really want to please God, then He knows and waits for you to change your attitude before He acts in your life.
@JonEricson I think I disagree, partly. I think a plain, clear, and reasonable approach to sex would fix our attitudes about sex. I don't think defining marriage better would fix poor thoughts about sex.
 
@fredsbend Not "defining marriage"--understanding it, knowing it, tasting its goodness.
 
8:23 PM
@JonEricson Same thing. I still blame puritan Christianity for almost making sex a bad word. The more I study marriage the more I think sex is a smaller and smaller part of it. Still important, but smaller and smaller.
 
@JonEricson And I've got a line to throw back at that. (A line you may possibly have heard before):
> Words can mean different things in different contexts.
How about we leave the definition of marriage up to the people getting married in each case?
 
@TRiG That's certainly a possibility. There's nothing wrong with mundane and arbitrary. ;-)
 
@JonEricson I just thing that searching for a definition of a social construct is bound to be a fruitless quest. Of course, marriage is also a legal construct, which can be defined, albeit in a long-winded and probably unhelpful manner. And it's also a religious construct, but that doesn't help us much either, as religions will differ and some will have broader, vaguer "definitions" than others.
 
@TRiG How about we just stop caring? You want to live with somebody and call it marriage? Fine with me. You want to share all assets? Simple, notarized kind of affidavit (much like a marriage licence) will work just fine. After that, I don't see how marriage has any part in a political discussion.
 
@fredsbend Doubt it would work.
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Q: Are there any notable Gay Rights groups advocating "Get the Government out of marriage" solution to same-sex marriage?

DVKOne of the main arguments made in favor of US (or non-US :) Government recognizing same-sex marriage is the "equality" one - that heterosexual couples have unequal rights with same-sex couples in that the former can have their marriages recognized by the state and the latter can not, and such rec...

 
8:36 PM
@fredsbend I have two responses. One is if you are married and the other if you are single. (But I think I'll keep both to myself to avoid insulting anyone. ;-)
 
@JonEricson Well, you can't insult me pretty much ever.
 
@TRiG The weird thing is how many cultures have ended up with more or less the same broad (and I suppose, vague) definition. It's likely to be a consequence of biology, however.
 
@TRiG Yeah, it's a bit of a pipe dream. The LGBT community would never go for it. Most of the straight community wouldn't either. It's too big of a change.
 
@JonEricson Depends how you define more (and less). I mean, different societies seem to have seen very different purposes for marriage, and to have very different ideas about how marriage should work, even if they have largely agreed on the constituent parts. Arguably, allowing same-sex marriage would be a far less radical change than what's already happened. (Remind me, how long ago was spousal rape legal?)
 
@TRiG I suppose I should say there are two interconnected definitions.
 
8:43 PM
@fredsbend In theory, I like the idea of getting government out of marriage. In practice, though, there are a thousand reasons why it'd be a bad idea.
 
@TRiG I think the purpose of marriage is pretty uniform: its a social contract to allow women to safely become pregnant and for children to be raised into productive adulthood. Just because the contract fails those goals often does not mean the contract is a bad idea.
 
@JonEricson From a secular perspective, marriage is the result of biology and mostly psychology. There is first the desire to survive. A reliable mate helps that, usually. Then there is the need to procreate. A mate is necessary, but he or she does not need to be reliable in any way except the care of the offspring. Which leads to the real reason marriage exists: Women want the security a man can provide and men want the regular physical affection and intercourse a woman can provide.
They both usually want children because of the aforementioned need, so that does not really apply to why marriage is consistently made monogamous and life long in most cultures.
@TRiG Sigh. You are right. It would be a much longer and much more difficult road.
 
9:01 PM
Brace yourselves, incoming rant.
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A: How should we handle questions about Christian culture?

CalebI think wax_eagle covered a lot of the major concerns I have with these points. However one thing you said in particular stood out to me. Please understand this isn't going to be a personal attack on you. I assume you didn't even intend to trigger this issue, but since it's come up in my mind I'm...

Now back to regularly scheduled programming...
 
9:12 PM
@Caleb Well, I wouldn't call that a rant. You have been much more aggressive in the past.
 
@caseyr547 Excuse me I know I'm jumping in way back in the chat script but I was just catching up and would like to note that our mandate (at least mine) to be "Christ like" isn't like an on off switch that only applies in some venues. I should be (and you are invited to show me my fault when I fail it) exhibit Christ like character at all times.
The issue here is that not all venues are created equal and how we handle issues varies from venue to venue.
As a pastor I will respond differently to somebody in my church trying to teach heresy than I will to someone of another belief that I meet in the public square to discuss.
Similarly what I do with people may vary widely based on my role in a venue. If I work as a teller at a bank and somebody comes to my window and says "hey I'm in a tough spot and I need a few bucks" I'm going to have to tell them that that venue is not going to be able to help them with so much as a dime. I might suggest another venue they could go to, but no matter how much they beg I can't open my drawer and pass out cash there.
Sending them on their way is not a violation of my Christ likeness, it is a fulfillment of my duties to my employer.
Now if I worked at a food bank and somebody came by saying they couldn't feed their family that day, it would be my duty to check their story and see that they got the help they needed.
Those are opposite responses as far as "fielding their issue" but my personal relation to them either way can reflect Christ.
This site, being what it is, is simply not the place to do evangelism or field every kind of question about Christianity. We send people back off to where they can find their answers, but you have to separate the handling of a question for the handling of a person.
Downvotes on a question are not equivalent to judging that person or in any other way treating them unkindly. It isn't hate. The thing being judged is the suitability of the question to the venue. Whether the verdict on that is yea or nay doesn't really say anything about the person.
Now back to some specifics of your chat....
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@caseyr547 Jon asked you to unpack this a little, but I'm pretty sure I came away more confused from your explanation than before. What exactly do you say we are prejudiced over? I don't know about the other guys but "afraid of confrontation" isn't something I usually get accused of. Do you have any idea what my day to day life looks like? Did you know I live in a 99% majority Muslim country as a church planter? I'm not trying to hide from anything that isn't Christian or disagrees with me!
I do have strong notions about how to leverage specific formats for different purposes. Something I might actively work to keep off the main site, I might engage with for hours on end in SE chat (second half)
 
9:38 PM
> "afraid of confrontation" isn't something I usually get accused of
No sir. Caleb comes in and BOOM! Hits it head first like a ram. [This is a compliment]
 
This is an interesting discussion :)
--Makes me think about high- versus low-trust societies, right?
If there weren't psychopaths, we wouldn't need locks (or quite so many everywhere.) And so on.
Ultimately you incur a lot of economic overhead from having to "protect" everything all the time...
Sorry if tangential, just some quick thoughts. Hope everyone's having a peaceful day...
 
@JosephWeissman :) I'm trying to rephrase that in terms of trolls...
 
@JosephWeissman Also relative value of the resource being protected. Chat is a relatively low-value resource. The main site is worth protecting at great cost.
 
@JonEricson The cost of lives? jk
 
@fredsbend There's an economic theory that the only thing of real value is labor. So gold is only worth anything because it takes so much work to get it out of the ground.
So, in a way, yeah. ;-)
 
9:54 PM
@JonEricson Maybe. I think I might have heard that before. I ascribe to the idea that all economies must have transportation and energy in abundance or they will collapse. You could define labor as a hybrid of both.
 
@TRiG That third link is just plain stupid. I wish I could get those two minutes back, exchange them for a minute's worth of common sense, and remind myself that the political links you post are rarely edifying.
 
@fredsbend Ah, abuse. </Marvin>
Sorry. Quoting Hitchhiker's without warning is probably unfair.
 
@TRiG ??? What is <Marvin>
 
In other news, I just upvoted an answer arguing in favour of the Trinity doctrine. What has become of me?
@fredsbend A paranoid android.
 
10:03 PM
@TRiG From what stories or shows?
 
@fredsbend The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
 
@TRiG Oh. Been years ...
 
Also, Louie Gohmert is a hypocrite.
 
@TRiG I don't know anything about him, but from the link you gave, I am far from convinced.
 
@fredsbend Okay. Let's have the what he does conversation rather than the what he is conversation. It's more productive, and I should have started that way. Mea culpa, etc., etc. Louie Gohmert said some hypocritical things.
 
10:11 PM
@TRiG Maybe. I still don't see that in the link you gave.
 
10:57 PM
@TRiG I was surprised when I heard this on national news before I heard it from you. was hoping to find you talking about it in here
 
@waxeagle Which? Exodus, I assume.
 
11:13 PM
@TRiG yeah, none of the other stuff remotely interests me
 

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