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12:35 AM

@Matthew I don't care about this audience of prudent idol worshippers of 3 persons. I am here to share thee TRUTH. This place is just a popularity contest for rep in babylon as I have already shown by my META q's that get no response and by your last comment. This is not a place for Truth. Many hate the truth here. They prefer their reputation over truth because it makes them feel good to be part of the majority.

I often wonder if these people even know Jesus.... They act nothing like him. You are stating that my question is not popular and so it somehow deserves downvotes... you know this is bogus but you can't even call it out yourself... your rep bro.

@curiousdannii Why would ANYONE post questions here? What a joke. This site is far from an academic/scholarly source...

Lets just keep the minority silenced because the majority can't contend their words.

1:01 AM

@ReadLessPrayMore There are lots of non-Trinitarian members of this site, including one mod. At times it certainly feels like there are more non-Trinitarian questions being asked! And some Trinitarian members have also been question-restricted or suspended by the mods. No one is being silenced because of their beliefs. When people aren't allowed to ask questions it's because they persist in posting off-topic questions or they're abusive.

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1:13 AM

@curiousdannii I am not allowed to ask questions. Are you saying I am abusive or posting off topic questions? The minority is the being abused by the minority by silencing them and banning them for no reason stated. I have a meta question asking for clarity of my last ban and no mod would touch the question... hmmmm

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2:52 AM

@ReadLessPrayMore Which meta question? I can't see any meta questions you asked that don't have a response from the mods.

Hold To The Rod

@Conrado I'll echo the praise of Mark's questions--I think they are some of the more interesting (and useful) threads on the site. As evidence that Mark is sincere, consider that he's been known to ask twin questions, giving a realistic opportunity for 2 competing perspectives to make their case. And he's willing to accept well-argued answers from very divergent viewpoints (something most users on this site struggle to do)

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@curiousdannii My mistake... it was in BHSE... hermeneutics.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4055/52004

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Q: Is it against the rules for the OP to ask for clarification of an answer to their question in the comments?

I am fresh off a seven day suspension without warning or clarification as to why. I walk in the light. I do not work in darkness. Therefore I will openly share the correspondence from the mods concerning my suspension. Here it is: Hello, We're writing in reference to your Biblical Hermeneut...

discussion answers comments

I got banned for asking Nigil to clarify his inconsitent answers. I asked for clarification and got none.

Hold To The Rod

E.g. @Matthew and I disagree on many things (but not everything!), yet @Mark has accepted answers Matthew has written that I would certainly disagree with, and he has accepted answers I have written that Matthew would certainly disagree with. There are users on this site who want to drown out competing views (I gather that is one of the things that @ReadLessPrayMore is calling attention to), but Mark is probably the most consistent user on the site for encouraging discussion of multiple views.

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3:09 AM

Thats great... i'm speaking from personal experience...

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Q: Is Sola Scriptura a violation of the rules when asking or answering a question about the bible?

I had a question deleting without any reason given. I've asked but still have not heard a reason by the 5 people who voted against it, including Ken Graham, a mod here. According to Trinitarians, what are God's hands, feet, face, and mouth? I believe the reason this question was voted to be clos...

Notice the -5 voting...lol

These answers by the mods were poor.... basically it comes down to their subjective feeling about the questions I pose.

I've had several good rational questions deleted unilaterally by mods without reason

Hold To The Rod

@ReadLessPrayMore I'm not a mod and I don't know the context of all of the content above, but I hear you. There are users who are rude, misrepresent, mock, etc. people they disagree with (ironic considering the name of the site), and that has a very negative effect on the academic credibility of the site. Which is a shame, because there's a lot of excellent content on the site too.

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the content on this site is controlled by the majority

this site is broken

The behavior of the prudent trinitarians here is shameful

.... from my experience of course

I can't even ask questions now... I'm sure most are happy about that. Silencing the minority.... not a good look for those who claim Jesus as their lord. The majority was bent on silencing him as well.

So who here is actually following him?

Hold To The Rod

@ReadLessPrayMore I'm currently testing a hypothesis that may interest you. My hypothesis is that the site does not have a critical mass of non-trinitarians to vote to close bad/off-topic questions that misrepresent non-trinitarians (when a poor question is asked of trinitarians, the site users are able to close the question very quickly). Unfortunately, this means that poor questions can stay open as long as they make fun of the right people, and the only recourse is if a mod votes to close.

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... thats just 1 of many problems here reiforced by the mods who want to remain mods.

Like I said... this site is broken. Its no longer a viable source for Truth imo.

@HoldToTheRod It's definitely true that very few questions would get closed at all without mods voting to close

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3:24 AM

not mine

Mine are closed because they are good questions

too good

my answers are deleted too

and my comments defending my answers and questions

@HoldToTheRod I think the real issue is with barely on-topic stump-the-chump type questions. There's one particular user who posts many of them who I'm sure you're familiar with, and it's harder to know what to do with them.

@ReadLessPrayMore Which questions of yours do you think were closed because they were good questions?

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'stump the chump'? what is that?

Hold To The Rod

@ReadLessPrayMore It's asking a question not because you want to know the answer, but because you hope you can make people look bad if they can't answer it.

And it's a waste of time to answer those questions.

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I ask questions to challenge others ideas. I also am interested in their answers

my questions are rational.. well phrased and unique which is what this site asks for

@curiousdannii ther are so many...

christianity.stackexchange.com/q/93091/60347

christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/93078/…

christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/96604/…

@ReadLessPrayMore Honestly that might be a stump the chump question. I'm not sure what you personally believe, but Unitarians, binitarians and almost every also believes that God doesn't have a body, and that such passages are anthropomorphisms. There's nothing particular about Trinitarianism.

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3:33 AM

then why won't they simply answer it that way/

Just state.."there is no scripure that says this but we believe it because of this..."

Hold To The Rod

@curiousdannii thanks for the almost. I know I'm in the minority, but I do believe God has a body =).

@ReadLessPrayMore The very first comment says that! Such a question isn't worthy of an in-depth answer when you're not putting in effort to explain why Trinitarians need to defend something shared by all the classical monotheistic religions.

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a comment is not an answer.. this question is rational and unanswered

@HoldToTheRod I wasn't aware of that!

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@curiousdannii I'm pretty sure Jews believe they will see God in the afterlife.

They are classically monotheistic

Many unitarians as well

3:37 AM

@ReadLessPrayMore When even a binitarian can tell you're asking a strawman question, maybe that should tell you that you're question isn't as great as you think. You're asking for an explanation of something that no one believes.

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I'm not saying the NEED to defend anything... just don't delete a question

@curiousdannii "no one believes"... not true

I'm askling why they believe what they do

@ReadLessPrayMore Sure, as my comment said, it could also be a vision.

@ReadLessPrayMore No Trinitarian believes "1person+1person+1person=1person"

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Ok... "it could be'... great now how bout some ansewrs

@curiousdannii Yes that is why I premised it by asking what of God is 1?

1 person, 1 being, 1 essence, 1 nature...

which is it... no one knows and no one agrees

so... lets just delete it before anyone else finds out

@ReadLessPrayMore Whatever you wrote in the premise, the actual question, which you helpfully made bold, is not something Trinitarians believe.

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Ok... then explain how the premise is wrong... that is how to anwer a question

Hold To The Rod

3:42 AM

@curiousdannii yep - see here

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@h

@HoldToTheRod are you mormon?

@ReadLessPrayMore Frame challenge answers can be okay, but there's no requirement that all questions based on misconceptions be given them. And when you act so obstinately, you shouldn't be surprised that people aren't keen to go out of their way.

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Notice i reposted it and it remains... but why did Peter think he could delete it?

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Q: Trinitarian Ontology... What is it? Being vs person vs essence vs _______

I will try to ask this unique question again. How can we answer here without defining simple words used to define God? Premise From Wikipedia: Ontology addresses questions of how entities are grouped into categories and which of these entities exist on the most fundamental level. Ontologists of...

nature-of-god trinity persons-of-the-trinity tetragrammaton

Note also the other comments I wrote:

With your recent edits and your sentence "The 1 God, YHWH, uses the singular masculine personal pronoun to describe Himself. So do the 3 persons of the trinity" I think you have the core of a good question here. But that core really doesn't have anything to do with the mathematical question you're wrapping around it. No Trinitarian ever said "1person+1person+1person=1person". Trinitarians are even extremely reluctant to use any addition or addition related notation when referring to the persons because of the doctrine of Divine Simplicity (God has no p…

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@ReadLessPrayMore I'm a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Sometimes Mormon is used as a nickname for my church. So I'm certainly no stranger to criticism on the site =).

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3:45 AM

Are you, not your church, a mormon? Is that okay to ask? Its like Islam vs Muslim

I even said you had a good core of a question, and gave you advice for how to improve the question so that it could be reopened. But you said "The equation is the crux of the question". So what else could be done? The equation is the crux of your question, but the equation has nothing to do with Trinitarian theology.

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it does though... God created logic and math and numbers. the equation was just a means to an end... to state the problem in plain language of math

still it was unilaterally deleted

Hold To The Rod

@ReadLessPrayMore oh no problem, no offense taken, Mormon is just a nickname because we believe in the Book of Mormon. I don't use the term to refer to myself because I worship Jesus, not Mormon, so I prefer the full name of the church, which includes Jesus' name.

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@HoldToTheRod oh ok.. Thanks for clarifying

thanks dani... i gotta run. I would like to ask questions again... do I need to make a new account?

Hold To The Rod

@ReadLessPrayMore here's a rule of thumb I've used when contemplating questions I might want to ask - if someone were to write an articulate response that addressed the question -- and I disagreed with the response -- would I still be willing to click it as the "accepted" answer? That's not a rule on the site, just my personal rule of thumb. If I'm not willing to accept an answer, no matter how well-constructed, there's a good chance I'm asking a stump-the-chump question.

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3:49 AM

@ReadLessPrayMore That question is okay, because you're actually asking Trinitarians to explain what they believe, rather than asking them explain something they don't believe.

@ReadLessPrayMore Do not make a new account. If you make a new account and we discover it, it will only be deleted, and possibly your main account will be suspended.

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pretty much the same question

I just want to ask a question

I don't care about suspension or rep or any of that babylonian nonsense

I care about the Truth

@ReadLessPrayMore Edit this one, we can undelete and reopen it. It has 0 score so there's no starting from a disadvantage like an old downvoted question. christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/95787/…

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i don't care about downvotes

and yues

I like that question but its not properly scoped

@HoldToTheRod That's a really good way of thinking about it! I was struggling with exactly how to define a stump the chump question. Focussing on your reaction to answers is probably pretty helpful.

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gotta run

3:53 AM

@ReadLessPrayMore You should also be able to write a flag on your own question, asking for it to be undeleted/reopened. But make sure it's an indisputably on-topic and reasonable question. Make sure you've read christianity.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3409/…

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7:08 AM

@HoldToTheRod Thanks for weighing in. I appreciate the positive feedback.

@Mark here's another person putting their hand in the fire for you. I'm glad to hear good reviews of your sincerity.

:)

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8:43 AM

@curiousdannii Look at what passes for a question around here.... smh. what did you call it? ah yes... stump a chump...
https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/95788/my-question-is-for-unitarians-biblical-unitarians-in-what-respect-do-you-know-j/95792#95792

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Q: My question is for Unitarians/Biblical Unitarians. In what respect do you know Jesus Christ?

Obviously the key to salvation is to "know" Jesus, "the Lord" of Matthew 7:21-23 and the master of the house" of Luke 13:25-27. Not everyone who says to Me Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven." Vs22, Many will say to Me on that day,...

unitarianism biblical-unitarian

I answered it regardless because I don't coware from any query of the Truth I am trying to share. Why would anyone run from an opportunity to share the truth if they really have it?

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4:09 PM

@ReadLessPrayMore ...and that, right there, is why you have no success. Methinks you need to read 1 Peter 3:15 again.

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5:19 PM

@Matthew What right there? my rightious rebuke of this place? I am always ready to discuss and defend what I am sharing... always. Like right now...So try to be less vague and actually say something. What exactly do you disagree with in that comment?

I can care less about the if the audience agrees with me. Most don't have ears to hear and few find the way in this age.... My task is to share Truth regardless of popularity. Do you understand this? From your last few comments it appears you are here to make friends and have a friendly audience. Jesus brings the sword of division not unity... not in this age.

5:53 PM

@HoldToTheRod ...and lazy humans prefer to type "Mormon" rather than "a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". I don't think anyone thinks that means you worship "Mormon", any more than any thinks a "Lutheran" worships Luther or a "Calvinist" worships Calvin.

@ReadLessPrayMore I do reject your either-or classification of this SE. However, that wasn't my point, which is that you are not following the instruction of 1 Peter 3:15. And, no, I'm not here to make friends.

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6:21 PM

15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

Who do you think is asking me to give a reason in this place?

no one

but I am ALWAYS prepared to share the truth with gentelness and respect to children who are curious.

I don't think that verse supports what ever vague point you are trying to make.,... sorry

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6:33 PM

Why are you editing my premise?

@Matthew

6:52 PM

@ReadLessPrayMore First, I'm not "editing your premise". Second, I already explained why.

@ReadLessPrayMore "Gentleness" and "respect" are two words I don't think anyone would apply to your discourse.

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