I answered this question:
To what extent can you be forgiven? waxeagel does not like the answer and calls it low quality and threatens me with a delete. I gave a standard answer to what looks like a pretty good question something someone actually faces. Yes my answers do not normally warrant 5 up...
I've noticed twice that the moderators say "I'm not closing this because I think I'm holier than you". I don't think this should be said because the first thing one thinks of is if you are having to constantly defend yourself against charges of being holier than thou maybe it fits to some degree....
@caseyr547: It seems like you are pretty upset with the moderators. I wonder if you'd like to talk about it? (I'm going to be going to bed soonish, but I will be happy to respond tomorrow morning.)
Surah Asr :1. By the essence of all time. 2. Verily, all humankind is in deep loss. 3. Except those who i) believed (in the oneness of Allah) and performed ii)good work and iii)reminded each other of the truth and iv)reminded each other to be patient.
So these are the 4 minimal conditions for salavation in Islam i-iv
Both are pretty simple actually. Islam = be good enough, get into heaven. Christianity = let God himself bring you into heaven by making up for the fact that you never can be good enough.
@Ali No you don't believe that statement. There was nothing in his statement about "for that time", in fact he taught about how the OT Scriptures talked about him and that there would be no other salvation right up until the last Judgement.
@Ali If Muhammad had a problem with the authenticity of the Scriptures, I think he should also mention clearly which verse is wrong and how it should be written.
What do you think?
You know very well that the Scriptures were already there and quit settled before Muhammad came. I still find it hard to accept that the Scriptures are corrupted.
@Ali No, "we" don't make that assumption. In fact people make statements accounting for the future all the time. You just did about your own religion not five minutes ago.
The OT is full of predictions about a Messiah to come, how salvation would be revealed. Jesus explains how these are fulfilled and talks about the future. He talks about how things would be from the time he left earth to go back to his Father in heaven until the time he would come again in judgement.
@Mawia I dont thing there was any objection to the authenticity of the scriptures as Muhammad pbuh himself never read it , so there is no question of objecting it , unless God says so. But many modern scholars have explained how the gospels were in fact really corrupted
@Ali The Temple was the center of Jewish religion. But Qur'an has no mention of it. Probably because Muhammad never saw it because it was not there in his lifetime. The Temple was destroyed in AD 70. FYI
"Anytime you excuse or rationalize your sin, you commit an act of gospel irrationality - why work to excuse what Christ has already forgiven?" - Paul Tripp
@Ali basic concept: Christ's forgiveness is complete which means that it's like the sin never happened from God's perspective (obviously as humans we don't forget like that). Why would you apologize or attempt to excuse something that you didn't do
@waxeagle No, Christ does not have the authority to forgive Sins only Allah has
Christ is the PROPHET sent to the "Jews" to reform them
but they rejected him
@Mawia The torah sees the Messiah to be the ultimate king who would restore the temple services, but yet Jesus's tenure was so small and insignificant to the extent that it find little mention in the subsequent Jewish scriptures. It was the later "Christians" who invented and marketed the "salavation" theory.
Even the disciples of Jesus were unaware of the mission of Jesus
1. Jesus and his gospel are exceedingly radical from any human point of view. The apostles and earliest disciples of Jesus therefore remained uncertain about the nature of the gospel and just what Jesus had accomplished in the world. Nevertheless they were intensely committed to him personally and therefore were exceedingly careful to see that his teachings were perpetuated as accurately as possible. In this they were carefully shepherded by the Holy Spirit. We have as a result a true repository of his words in the gospels, from which it is possible to recover both Jesus and his true gospel.
@Ali that doesn't answer my question...at all. Not sure how an attack on Paul fits with a question about Acts. (except in so far as the book of Acts does contain a great deal on Paul, but it also follows quite closely what's going on with Peter and several other disciples).
And to be honest, history does not support those claims. at all.
That said, the grass isn't going to mow itself. I've got stuff to do today.
I understand that the site should not be a substitute for counseling, and I am gaining respect for the policy about Truth questions.
But when a new person asks a very basic question, is it helpful to assert as waxeagle did here,
Generally we suggest that questions be scoped to a particular d...
So A few days ago I hit every stage of grief. I was on vacation and outside of my routine. I was in denial that I missed visiting the site on Tuesday after over 110 consecutive visits. After finding that I did miss it I was very angry. I later fell into a slight depression that over 110 days of work was lost. I then began to bargain that I could post a feature request on MSO that would show all the days that I have visited.
I have now accepted this loss seeing that a feature like that already exists.
@JonEricson First I noticed it was today. Click on the days you've been a member and a little calendar pops down and shows all the days you have visited in green.
I thought to myself that I don't need to care once I got the gold badge, but then I though I might like to be a mod one day and having proof that you visit the site daily is a good draw I think.
I understand that the site should not be a substitute for counseling, and I am gaining respect for the policy about Truth questions.
But when a new person asks a very basic question, is it helpful to assert as waxeagle did here,
Generally we suggest that questions be scoped to a particular d...
