@curiousdannii Well if no one understands my question I guess I need to make a fairly drastic edit, or scrap the whole thing and ask a new one. How should I do this? I can make the edit and see what you think, but your answer is in limbo either way.

I think the misunderstanding is in that you are focusing on the "sacrifices" part when I never said that. In fact, the scapegoat is not sacrificed. The emphasis was on the details of the feasts, which I perhaps confused by focusing on the lamb and goats. I have a draft of an edit ready if I should edit. Otherwise I'd almost like the whole thing to be deleted and I'll come at it from a different direction.

However, I maintain that people DO speak about feasts in this way, more so now than ever, and my request for historical resources was for the very purpose of viewing such current writings through a historical context. Are questions of Historical Theology not on topic then? I can't find a tag to express it.

@Joshua I know one person who thinks that the feasts are actually the central structure of the Bible. He reads every other passage according to some kind of chiastic feast structure. That's pretty bizarre!

But people definitely do focus on the feasts yes.

@Joshua Well you didn't particularly ask about the scapegoat. You mentioned it, but the actual question is "Are there any Protestant/Reformed, or older, writings that deal with Jesus fulfilling the prophetic nature of Passover and Yom Kippur?"

@Joshua And in a way the scapegoat is still sacrificed, just not by the priests. It's left for God to deal with himself directly

@Joshua Go ahead with the draft

The question can't be phrased in just the title, to read the title outside the context of the rest of the question is unreasonable.

@Joshua That's the body of the question, second last paragraph.

What are you wanting to know? My best understanding is that you want to know if anyone who says that the fall feasts will only be fulfilled at the second coming think that any partial aspects were fulfilled at his first coming?

@curiousdannii Yes, I know, and even that is framed by the earlier paragraphs. Anyway, check the edit.

@curiousdannii Yes that is very close.

@Joshua If that's the case then I'd want to rephrase it completely. Don't mention protestantism or reformed theology. Give a short summary of that interpretative position (does it have a name?) Note that many/most Christians do see aspects of the fall feasts being fulfilled during the first coming. Then what the group think about those aspects

@curiousdannii I've sort of gone that way yes, though I hadn't dropped the Protestantism or Reformed tags yet. I didn't want to get accused of being broad with what was already a wide net (any works...) But maybe you're right.

@curiousdannii But I am really looking for historical writings on it. I don't want new or even current perspectives. The point is to get old ones. Is that not Resource-request?

@Joshua It's clearly framed then it will be fine.

@Joshua I'd normally only use the resource request when you're asking for something specific. Where can i get a copy of so-and-so's book called X

@Joshua You can ask for published writings. Normally we don't want answers with new interpretations anyway

@Joshua But an arbitrary historical cutoff date would seem just that - arbitrary

@curiousdannii I see, is there a better term or phrase? In my current edit I'm saying "reference and synopsis of historical theological writings"

@Joshua If you want historical writings, then the best thing to do is to very clearly identify which historical movement believed that all the fall feasts would only be fulfilled at the second coming

though that should just be "historic"...

@curiousdannii hah thats just it, I don't know of a historic movement beyond a bunch of current books and websites

@Joshua Then what do you want to know? How current people deal with the issue? Or if there were any historical precursors? Those are two completely different questions

@curiousdannii I want to know if there were similar writings in the past that would confirm or disagree with opinions of the current movement. They don't have to be precursors, just relevant to the topic.

Hmm, does C.SE support spoiler? Wanted to use it to hide a bunch of links...

@Joshua Okay, that would be a good question to ask, but it would have to be separate from the question of how much they think was fulfilled at the first coming

@curiousdannii updated title: Does Jesus' first coming fulfill the Spring Feasts and Yom Kippur in any Historic Theology?

@Joshua From the title alone I would expect that my answer would be a good answer for that.

I would think that confirm/deny/partial would all be covered

@Joshua Then that would be way too broad

@curiousdannii Except you don't quote any historic theological writings.

@Joshua I quote the NT explicitly saying that Jesus' first coming fulfilled those things

@curiousdannii ....right. But everyone is working off that. You can't claim that to be historic church writing. Historic theological writings are the writings that are interpreting scripture. Not the scripture itself

@Joshua You didn't explicitly ask for historic church writing

Whatever.

@curiousdannii well we'd have to go to BHSE for that, cause I actually disagree. You yourself noted its speaking of his role as high priest

If that's your title it sounds like you're still trying to do way too much in one question

You're trying to get clarity on the current still-unnamed movement, find out about historic similarities/precusors, and resolve a seeming conflict about whether Jesus did fulfil or not during his first coming

@curiousdannii well if you can find so many historical writings that speak directly to this topic that it would make it broad...please refer them to me.

@Joshua Any commentary on Leviticus or the gospels in all of history would be relevant

@curiousdannii I'm mostly doing the middle one. the last part is just the context, the first is the introduction

Please try to break it down into small clear questions based on very clearly identified positions/movements/denominations

@curiousdannii If I had all those answers why would I be asking a question?

@Joshua You want to know about historical precursors to a modern movement right? So you must know something about the modern movement

@Joshua You don't have to know anything about the historic precursors, but you must be clear about what the movement itself is

I'd recommend completely cutting out the conflict on whether Jesus did fulfil anything in his first coming if you are really wanting to know about the historic precursors

I've got to go. Good luck on the editing :)

@curiousdannii Thanks, and please don't mistake any frustration on my part as ingratitude to your own effort and patience with this.

@curiousdannii Not necessarily enough to scope the question. Could be something @Joshua heard of a long time ago or something. If that's the case though, it might be good to first ask a question to simply identify the modern movement.

I haven't tracked the whole conversation, so I don't know if that's something you guys already covered or not.

@Mr.Bultitude I was thinking about doing just that after our conversation last night. But all it would do is cut out one paragraph of describing the concept. Not sure it's absolutely necessary to give it a label when I can describe it in one paragraph.

@Joshua What it would accomplish is 1) clarify exactly the group you're talking about, which would 2) ease readers' ability to research the group to give answers or constructive comments, and possibly even 3) reveal to readers a fundamental misunderstanding about the nature of the group.

It might not be, strictly speaking, necessary, but I think it would be extremely useful.