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BMitch

11:05 AM

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Tester101

12:05 PM

@Aaron Is your ladder review, ready for publishing?

The Evil Greebo

1:04 PM

i'm rapidly coming to love FluentAssertions

results.Should()
.OnlyContain(b=>b.WorkflowStatusID == (int)WorkflowStatusType.Active)
.And.OnlyContain(b=>b.Distributions
.Any(d=>d.WorkflowStatusID == (int)WorkflowStatusType.Delayed
|| d.WorkflowStatusID == (int)WorkflowStatusType.SecondDelay));

Niall C.

2:15 PM

Is this a shopping or a homebrew electrical question? diy.stackexchange.com/questions/18374/…

The Evil Greebo

good q

Niall C.

@TheEvilGreebo His or mine?

The Evil Greebo

yours

yawn

i don't run my integration tests every time ... thankfully

Aaron

2:38 PM

I never get tired of those "Downfall" parodies

@Tester101 Almost, just need to swap in one of the pictures and copy-edit it

The Evil Greebo

its official - my current project now has > 2000 tests

Niall C.

Congratulations

You should get Kent Beck to visit and give you an award.

wax eagle

our entire >million LOC web app -> 0 tests :)

BMitch

2:57 PM

@TheEvilGreebo That explains why you have time to hang out in chat rooms :)

'Are you stealing those LCDs?' 'Yeah, but I'm doing it while my code compiles.'

The Evil Greebo

@BMitch love :D

BMitch

s/Compiling/Testing/

The Evil Greebo

that or my machine is slow as molassas

molasses?

whatever

ArgentoSapiens

I have begun to build the paint locker

The Evil Greebo

@ArgentoSapiens Cue dramatic "dun dun dunnnnnnn" music!

ArgentoSapiens

3:04 PM

Precisely right.

The Evil Greebo

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ArgentoSapiens

It is going to cost as much as a lot of new paint. But it's too late now.

The die is cast.

The Evil Greebo

In Soviet Union, Rat chases Cat!

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and on that note : /afk for a few hours (bike ride time)

ArgentoSapiens

Wow.

Chris Cudmore

3:21 PM

@waxeagle Tests are for the weak. Real programmers do it right the first time.

wax eagle

@ChrisCudmore real programmers also break production regularly :P

Niall C.

That which does not kill production only makes it stronger

The Evil Greebo

5:01 PM

Having nearly killed production one too many times, I'll take the tests. Releases that don't break production are better for raises. ;)

Aaron

5:28 PM

Can one of you mods just kill this chat line?

The Evil Greebo

can't you edit/delete it?

wax eagle

@Aaron gone

@TheEvilGreebo should have been able to

Aaron

@TheEvilGreebo I waited too long

The Evil Greebo

ah

wax eagle

@Aaron do you need me to delete the quote of it too?

Aaron

5:32 PM

@waxeagle yeah I suppose, if you don't mind

wax eagle

@Aaron there is a flag option there for the future, but I'm not sure how it works (and I don't want to accidentally hand out a half our suspension)

Aaron

@waxeagle yeah, but that RINGS THE ALARM BELL

I wasn't that pressed about it

wax eagle

@Aaron lol yes :)

Aaron

don't need to call in all the blues

@Tester101 the Werner ladder post is ready for review

The Evil Greebo

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A: TV mounting with long reach

I've had good experience with large articulating mounts from monoprice.com. And they're pretty inexpensive.

I'm almost tempted to call that spam

except he's not a n00b

Electric heat is 100% efficient, all the electricity consumed is converted to heat. — Tester101 55 mins ago

@Tester101 Don't make me go to skeptics again! ;)

wax eagle

5:46 PM

@TheEvilGreebo actually can't electric heat be >100% efficient?

(there was something about this in my thermo course and I'm forgetting)

BMitch

@waxeagle It can when it lights your house on fire.

wax eagle

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A: How efficient is an electric heater?

The efficiency is 100%, which is considered a poor heating efficiency. It is 100% because all light, motion, etc produced by the heater at some point becomes dissipated to heat. Same heating efficiency have all other completely-in-door devices: heating with a TV set is as efficient as an electr...

is the effect I'm remembering

Aaron

heating with a TV set is as efficient as an electric heater.

Light is energy too, is it not?

wax eagle

@Aaron That's a bad example IMO.

Chris Cudmore

@waxeagle An electric heat pump can have >100% efficiency if you define efficiency as Heat output (in joules) over Electrical input in joules. This only seems to violate the laws of thermodynamics. What's really happening is electricity is being used to MOVE heat. That is, the point of a heat pump isn't to convert electrical energy to heat energy. We're taking heat energy that already exists, and are delivering it to where we want it.

But, if you're talking about a conversion source of heat, then no. You can't get more joules out than you put in.

The Evil Greebo

6:00 PM

Sheesh. I just wanted to rib Tester about his love of the Skeptics site.

BMitch

@TheEvilGreebo we've each got our loves. On an unrelated note, did I mention I have more balls being delivered? I'm getting them before they go under.

The Evil Greebo

@BMitch I'm drawing a blank - have I been party to prior discussions of your balls?

wax eagle

@ChrisCudmore right, that's what I was remembering from my thermo course :)

The Evil Greebo

And @Tester101 doesn't exactly love the skeptics site - that was my little joke

wax eagle

@TheEvilGreebo a certain now contraban kind of balls

The Evil Greebo

6:03 PM

Oh, please, enlighten me about @BMitch 's balls

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BMitch

I think the starred entries sum it up nicely

Aaron

Niall C.

@BMitch What are you going to do when the magnetic field from your "collection" starts wiping your credit cards, causing homing pigeons to crash into your house, etc.

BMitch

@NiallC. declare victory!

The Evil Greebo

wait you don't mean buckyballs do you?

BMitch

6:04 PM

@TheEvilGreebo yup, I'm loading up on cheap buckyballs

The Evil Greebo

Contraband??!?!?

I got me some bucky cubes - how can they be contraband?!

Chris Cudmore

foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/09/24/…

BMitch

direct from the manufacturer, from what I can tell, I'm guessing it's a going out of business sale

last week was 5 orders of the 125 ball sets for $5 each plus $6 flat rate shipping

The Evil Greebo

@BMitch preeze to rink me to zis sale!

BMitch

half day sale, all over

The Evil Greebo

6:07 PM

@BMitch Now i haz a sad

Aaron

Is buckyballs really going out of business?

I saw a bunch of ads in the paper that they put out saying 'yes, we know they're not toys, so DONT GIVE THEM TO YOUR KIDS'

BMitch

don't know, but they were selling a lot of cheap balls for the past few weeks and showing lots of stuff out of stuck

woah, deja vu. I think there's a glitch in the matrix

Aaron

Oh whoops I forgot I posted it last night in here

BMitch

what has been seen cannot be unsceen

The Evil Greebo

@BMitch but what has been misspelled can be corrected

anyway it can to be unseen. Look - aaron's picture is gone - he unseen it.

BMitch

6:14 PM

@TheEvilGreebo There's no hiding from the blues

Aaron

Some of these physics questions are a little off the wall

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Q: Why doesn't air freeze?

I am in no way experienced in the Physics field so this question may seem a bit silly but i'd appreciate an answer :) Why doesn't air freeze?

temperature

The Evil Greebo

Chris Cudmore

@TheEvilGreebo We're on a mission from God.

The Evil Greebo

@Aaron air can freeze. it just doesn't get cold enough

Chris Cudmore

It's funny. BB2K was such a crappy movie, but so good musically.

The Evil Greebo

6:17 PM

crap i launched all my tests not just my unit tests

oh well better safe than sorry

/me wanders off for 10 minutes

"Compiling!"

Aaron

I recommend xkcd's what-if feed, if you don't already have it

what-if.xkcd.com

BMitch

I lol'ed at the "just kidding" part

Aaron

Those wickedlasers are serious lazerz

Tester101

@TheEvilGreebo No need for skeptics. Electric heaters really are 100% efficient (not counting heat pumps, which can be greater than 100%).

The Evil Greebo

@Tester101 You ruin my fun, you know, when you don't pick up on the mocking...

Tester101

6:29 PM

@TheEvilGreebo Should I ask the question on Skeptics, and use my comment as a source?

The Evil Greebo

You have fun with that ;)

speaking of laser pointers, I found out (quite accidentally) that if I use a UV laser pointer on my glasses they trigger the transitions

at first I thought I'd ruined my glasses cause the beam hit a lens and suddenly there was this black line on my glasses

Tester101

Joule heating

Joule heating, also known as ohmic heating and resistive heating, is the process by which the passage of an electric current through a conductor releases heat. It was first studied by James Prescott Joule in 1841. Joule immersed a length of wire in a fixed mass of water and measured the temperature rise due to a known current flowing through the wire for a 30 minute period. By varying the current and the length of the wire he deduced that the heat produced was proportional to the square of the current multiplied by the electrical resistance of the wire. :Q \propto I^2 \cdot R This relat...

@TheEvilGreebo Does that mean you can't burn your retinas out with a laser pointer (as long as you're wearing your glasses)?

The Evil Greebo

@Tester101 Somehow I don't think so. I didn't point it at my eyes, of course.

it was during a D&D game - we project the map on a screen and use the pointers a lot

anyway I got a little creative - after a particularly dick move by the DM I looked at him with my glasses reading "**** YOU"

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Q: Clothing rails, how to fit into plasterboard to hold adequate weight

I am converting hallway storage into a wardrobe. The dimensions are h 234cm W 132cm D 45cm I would like to put up two rails for clothing and some shelving for lose items My question is how would I fit the rails into plasterboard style walls so they can support the weight of potentially many ...

drywall

what's the fitting called that you ca mount on the wall and drop a rail into ?

wax eagle

@TheEvilGreebo that's kind of awesome

The Evil Greebo

@waxeagle The party enjoyed it. :)

Tester101

6:41 PM

STOP HANGING S**T FROM FRIGGIN' DRYWALL!

wax eagle

(our last session was an attempt (and failure) to TPK us, I'm not a fan of the DM right now)

@Tester101 find your God**** studs

The Evil Greebo

@Aaron 's in trouble with @Tester101

Aaron

Where am I supposed to put my pictures?

Tester101

@Aaron What pictures?

Chris Cudmore

OH NOES!!!

ottawasun.com/2012/09/25/…

wax eagle

6:48 PM

@ChrisCudmore bacon prices have been on the rise lately :(

Aaron

@Tester101 whatever pictures I want to hang on the wall

Chris Cudmore

My farmer/butcher hasn't raised his yet.

Home, dry maple cured bacon. $4.00 a pound.

wax eagle

however boston butts have been pretty cheap this summer (~2/lb)

@ChrisCudmore that's pretty close to the store prices for off brand stuff

Chris Cudmore

Is that what we'd typically call Pork Butts?

Yeah, but it's much tastier.

About the same price as a wet cured brand name.

wax eagle

@ChrisCudmore probably, butt portion of the shoulder (large rectangle of meat :P)

Chris Cudmore

6:50 PM

With a flat "blade" bone in it?

Tester101

@Aaron On a freestanding shelf, a shelf secured to studs, a nail/screw in a stud, a picture rail (attached to studs).

Chris Cudmore

We get them on special at 99c/lb several times a year.

wax eagle

@ChrisCudmore yep cooking.blogoverflow.com/2012/09/…

Chris Cudmore

Bookmarked!!!!

wax eagle

@ChrisCudmore cheapest I've gotten one this year was $1.30/lb and that was a serious special

@ChrisCudmore thanks :)

@EvilG integrated your comment, thanks!

Chris Cudmore

6:55 PM

@waxeagle This is an awesome picture. Nicely done

wax eagle

@ChrisCudmore thanks. wish my yard was in slightly better shape (the weeds sticking up in the back bother me :P) :)

Niall C.

@TheEvilGreebo Are you talking about a French cleat?

The Evil Greebo

possibly

no

more like a grommet with an open top you can drop a clothing rail into

Chris Cudmore

Or even just a board mounted between two studs that you can screw to.

wax eagle

@ChrisCudmore That's what I was thinking of

I've definitely seen that before

The Evil Greebo

7:05 PM

yeah - me too - and i've seen it where that board is notched to hold the clothing bar

but i've also seen drop in kind of slots that hold the bar... though that may have been more of a shower curtain context

wax eagle

@TheEvilGreebo with one on each side?

The Evil Greebo

yeah or 1 notched side and one drilled out side

wax eagle

@TheEvilGreebo makes sense

Chris Cudmore

I've got some in an old closet like that. One side is drilled, and the other is notched to drop the other end in. The notch is at a 45 degree angle, sloping down from the back of the closet so that when you tug on the hangers it won't pop out.

The Evil Greebo

@ChrisCudmore smart

Tester101

7:22 PM

Aaron

@waxeagle what are studs measured at in metric countries, though?

Chris Cudmore

Same Idea, but drilled into a 1" thick board mounted to the studs.

Aaron

I mean his A has 16" to 24" centers

wax eagle

@Aaron no idea

Aaron

The drywall anchors at HD, some of them are rated for 50-75lbs per

wax eagle

7:36 PM

@Aaron yeah, but clothes get heavy fast. and even if the anchors are rated for that, is th drywall?

Tester101

@Aaron The problem is, when you go to grab a shirt and it gets hung up on the hanger. You could yank the rail right out of the wall.

Anchors may be rated at 50-75 lbs. But that's probably 50-75 lbs. when the anchors completely ripped out of the wall. Not to mention it was in brand new drywall, which was installed correctly.

wax eagle

@Aaron whats YMMV in metric :P

Aaron

@waxeagle - naturally

Tester101

@Aaron Not sure, but I'd guess 400 / 600 mm.

Aaron

If you have toggle bolts in drywall behind a hanging rail support like that, and you pull hard enough to yank the rail out of the wall, I must not be using hangars correctly

Tester101

7:47 PM

@Aaron All I'm saying is if you do it right, you'll be able to train a gymnast in the closet and never have to repair loose rails.

Aaron

next project: installing banister rails

we took them off when we painted and never reinstalled

Tester101

@Aaron Attach them to studs!

If programmers use rubber ducking to work through problems, builders should use Mike Holmes-ing.

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Tell that face you want to use drywall anchors for your banisters.

Aaron

I need a better stud finder that works for plaster though

Tester101

Me too. I've not found one yet that works 100% of the time.

I usually use a finish nail and tack hammer. Then just patch the small holes and touch up the paint.

BMitch

9:40 PM

Sometimes you can make an educated guess. Studs would be next to any light switches or outlets on the wall, and hopefully 16" OC from that point. You may find nail holes in trim which should be on the studs. And one side of each wall should be on a stud. That said, much of that is the case with drywall so you may have less luck with older homes and plaster walls.

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