@Althis Simply hoping that the Disney way of "getting ideas" from anime and old videogames make them incorporate some Cap. Harlock or Gundam in the new SW movie ...
Actually, I was kinda hoping that the whole Disney+Square thing crashes at a certain point and then KH was rebooted with just Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger and Equestria.
@Althis While I don't really see it as a problem - Square just need to remember how many other lost franchises it owns and fill the holes, let's just change the plan then.
You know... since we are at it... Just for fun... Am I the only one who still believes that FF7 was originally intended as FF6-2 and then rewritten after the whole "we move on ps" incident?
@Althis well. We know that Squaresoft was working on a game for the gamecube at the time. They then moved to PS and made FF7.
Before that they had some strange tech demo images
of a 3d version of some ff6 scenes.
see this for example
let's make some reasoning then:
FF4 had a war that somehow destroyed magic and the element balance, then FF5 had the whole crystal go boom thing.
FF6 has no magic, and the summons actually went to an alternate plane. During the game we see some sort of tech that draws energy from the planet and power the magitek armors, allowing them to perform magic
there is even a part in the game where you steal some magitek that were recharging connected to a strange power plant like structure that glows with blue light
then you have magicite... Summons that turns themselves into "stones" that gives you magic and power? where did I saw that?
Let's talk about the characters then.
Anyone notices how ff7 char are very similar to some ff6 ones?
While is pretty proven and even confirmed that at a point of the development process Aerith died in the crater (there are actual dialogues in the game up to that point)
it was also admitted that Tifa was a sort of last minute add
basically they are telling me that they added Tifa to please eastern audience (seem that Aerith was too Japanese?) while the whole story center on the Cloud-Zack incident, making her fundamental to the plot?
I have always had the idea that the game originally was intended to have you discover that Cloud was Zack all the time and Tifa didn't even exist.
then they changed it.
If even before the game was started from an idea of continuing FF6 story directly I will never know.
@Sandwich Nor does the secret Nibelheim scene you can get in CD 2
@Sandwich the only one without a number. I don't even think Cloud was an actual clone, much more of a side effect of mako poisoning after the incident in Nibelheim
That's is true, but that would have been a pretty small change to do. Gone from "you are Zack" to "wait, you don't have parent because you where a clone" seem something easily doable.
Have you seen the flashback in Nibelheim?
Tell me: if Cloud goes blank soon after he and Zack are attacked on their way to Midgard, and Zack dies soon after while trying to drag Shinra away...
why the report you found there seem to indicate the opposite?
Can't remember how it was actually worded originally, but it claimed something like "we got one easily killed after he felt off but the other one escaped us"
(*anyway, not really trying to convince anyone here, so please bear with me... just wondering if anyone else thinks that part of the game felt somehow strange)
You're trying to extrapolate that the plot in FF7 WAS originally intended to be a sequel to FF6, but I don't really see a lot of evidence to support that theory
@Sandwich Ah, ok, no sorry. That is an headcannon of mine since the original ff up to 7 seemed somehow to follow the story of a same planet. At least the progression of magic seem to make sense. But that I am the first to say I don't have actual proof other than feelings
that said, I wasn't trying to advocate that and I apologize if in my rant I gave that impression.
@Sandwich probably you are right. But just to end the discussion for now (since I fear I will have to leave for a while) the only thing I actually was claiming is that I believe that FF7 was heavily rewritten in hope to fit the Europe-us audience more, and that I believe it because in the original game some parts seemed to me quite quickly thrown in
I don't really believe that Squaresoft had a reason to rewrite FF7 for american audiences, considering at that point 95% of their revenue was coming from Japanese sources, Final Fantasy I, II, and III ( I, IV, and VI ) were the only ones at that point actually released in America and Europe at the time
Final Fantasy 7 actually made it to the US two years before Final Fantasy V was ported to the west
Most good games in the US were actually limited to the SNES, and the Playstation 1 and 2
People really didn't understand the fundamentals of game design
And Triple A developers right now are forgetting the fundamentals as well
By releasing games with far too many bugs and then after tons of people buy the game eventually releasing a patch 4 months later after the buzz has died
after all until ff6 the games where more light hearted. Remember the whole "It is not thief, it is Treasure hunter" from Loke or ff5 Galuf trying to understand if Faris was a guy or a girl near the beginning of the game?
@BESW since you like reading, have you ever read anything about the long term mechanical differences between squares with diagonals and hexes for movement?
I have a personal preference for hexes over squares - the latter present some problems in terms of diagonal movement, and aliasing for certain area effects, that are just handled better with hexes.
So for systems like D&D 3.5 and 4e, and also less popular ones like FASA Star Trek, which use squa...
@Althis This is the sort of topic where scholarly research is scarce, but it's pretty easy to find lots of informal discussion and debate among the community. If your professor and assignment are amenable, analysing the community discourse about the problem --rather than analysing the problem itself-- may be more fruitful.
I need a better term than "gamer ADD" for having a hard time sticking with one system/campaign/etc. because I noticed a new shiny. I have crossed the line of "not comfortable appropriating that term for something trivial".
@SevenSidedDie I don't actually know it from anywhere. The words connected in my head, and I tried Googling around for it, only finding some ill-defined usage in cancer biology circles.
@Grubermensch Thomas Kuhn wrote some fascinating stuff about the emotional nature of scientific progress causing it to be a paradigm shift that most scientists fail to cross. (Fortunately for science, scientists die off and they take their stubborn clinging to old paradigms with them.)
Though, the bad bout may actually be a good sign: I've been lately determined to settle down and run just one system for a solid while, so it may actually be just an extinction burst.
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