I wonder if this is too specific a question: [dnd-4e] "The rest of my party wants me to build a Leader and they're all using the Frostcheese combo. How should I build a Leader to best support them?"
@Soulrift oh that's actually quite a good question if you include some basic details: can they get the frost stuff off on their own, do they have good basic attacks, what is the rest of your party comp, etc
most likely, any attack granting leader will be quite powerful if they have good to decent basic attakcs
we want specific questions, and that's not too localized by any stretch
@waxeagle I suppose the details would be that there are a group of 4 just entering paragon path and 2 new players joining with quick-build level 11 characters (3 items + gold as per PHB). The four existing are archer ranger, dagger-tossing rogue, bastard-sword wielding avenger, and spear-and-shield fighter.
It includes odd houserule that lets any character with an at-will melee attack that uses something other than strength to use that ability modifier for their basic melee attack (eg: rogue and avenger in this party can use dex and wis for MBA).
Oh, right, by quick build I mean that they get 3 items (level +1, level, level -1) and gold equal to level -1. By not quick build I suppose I would mean that they get no items or that items are provided in some convoluted manner that attempts to parse the treasure parcels, determine which items are not already assigned, and assigning those to them.
@BrianBallsun-Stanton And they can chose specific frost-cheese gear, should there be a Leader capable of making a particularly interesting exploit of such gear.
So I know that, for example, Valor Bards can make interesting exploits of Thunder damage, but I don't know if there are any Leaders that can make interesting use of Cold.
I guess that was the source of my question. Not "what is the best Leader for that specific party" but rather "can any leaders take advantage of frostcheese"?
But the ranger is definitely going frost, and the ranger is the rogue's husband so she'll probably end up going frost once he can alter her character sheet, but the warrior and avenger are very independently-minded!
And the rogue will never, if ever possible, get into melee range, because she's scared of the spider miniatures and she doesn't want her mini to be too close to them.
The ranger is probably the closest to a power gamer in terms of trying to do anything, like he picked up hobbling strike and vicious advantage to get CA in heroic tier.
Note that the DM has a habit of randomly relocating and/or adding monsters to keep players on their toes, so I've found position-based builds can be unreliable.
Though this was originally done to ambush the peeking-out-from-behind-corner rogue.
you can also check out some of the killswitch variants that use different classes, like flameswitch, lightswitch, and thoughtswitch: linkage
though now that @BrianBallsun-Stanton has reminded me of ardents, nothing is more hilarious than Death's Gatekeeper if you're high enough level for it to work
Ally "Ok, i'm bloodied, so can you heal me?" You "No, i'll wait" Ally "I've got 3 hp left, with 10 ongoing damage, NOW will you heal me?" You "No, i'll wait" Ally ", now i'm at -15 and unconcious, your a really crappy team player" You "Your still concious " Ally "What?" You "Are you within 5 squares of me?" Ally "Yes" You "Then your still concious" Ally "....." GM "Roll your Death save" Ally "2, so i fail" You "+9" Ally "What? You "You get +9 to death saves" Ally "...." You "" Ally "...." You "I rolled a 15, so 20 vs reflex"
It was probably mentioned here, actually, but there's this one time a western Russian town was going to be invaded by foreigners. So the inhabitants just said "ok," packed their bags and left. The foreigners invaded and settled the town during winter. The invaders couldn't to survive there well, so they went home, then the Russian people who left moved back in and continued living in peace. Victory!
I was really surprised there wasn't like... some big thing in the site's header, like the cyborgs wearing party hats and shooting confetti, with something saying "We're having a contest! Click here for details!"
A Summary: What to do
Have a meta-discussion to decide on what wording to use for step 2 before amending our FAQ.
Add a section to our FAQ defining what is on topic or off topic.
My second draft of the wording (that I'm still not completely satisfied with):
Question about a general real-wo...
Step 2: What is the fundamental failure in the sequence. Your question has been closed as off-topic
Therefore, your question should be about: How do I bring my language question back on topic?
@Leezard I would be happy to talk with you about this topic on chat, if it's determined inappropriate for an SE post.
If I may be so bold, the fundamental disconnect and the reason the question was closed was that you failed to say anything about RPGs; if you'd made it clear that you wanted to know how to simulate the appearance of the interconnectedness of language, it would've been a much happier question.
But your phrasing made it sound like you were asking how to... um, basically be Tolkien.
Tolkien didn't make it seem like he'd invented languages and their evolution; he actually made up the languages first, from as close to scratch as makes no difference, and then made up a world to explain how they were related and the evolution they'd gone though.
There's a big difference between "I want to understand the theory of languages" and "I want tips on how to make my RPG setting's languages seem dynamic and interactive."
It seems like I should only ask such a question if I already have an idea of the answer is. I want to ask for new ideas not just rehash the ones I have already had.
As far as I can tell, you're not trying to make a believable language system. You're trying to provide players with the experience of many different natural languages.
Therefore, this has to be framed, if we're in the right category, in the context of player-experience during game.
Creating slang and dialect is an art, not a science, and there are two basic strategies: invent it, or steal it.
If you invent dialect, don't invent words
Berk, from Berkeley Hunt or a rhyming insult.
Cutter, definition 11.
Barmy, Etymology 2, from balmy.
and chant is just a description of ora...
@Ravn that first time is always a charge. Then you get hooked on those little 10 point reputation gains, and before you know it you're celebrating your first thousand. Then it's all downhill from there. :) It would be wrong to say that the first upvote is free...
A Summary: What to do
Have a meta-discussion to decide on what wording to use for step 2 before amending our FAQ.
Add a section to our FAQ defining what is on topic or off topic.
My second draft of the wording (that I'm still not completely satisfied with):
Question about a general real-wo...
Creating slang and dialect is an art, not a science, and there are two basic strategies: invent it, or steal it.
If you invent dialect, don't invent words
Berk, from Berkeley Hunt or a rhyming insult.
Cutter, definition 11.
Barmy, Etymology 2, from balmy.
and chant is just a description of ora...
