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hbtpoprock

Nov 13, 2018 18:02

l'm going to bed now, it's 1am here in Thailand. You can leave me messages, and l'll online again tmr. Ty :)

hbtpoprock

Nov 13, 2018 18:00

@KannE Can we still omit the "who" in the Clare sentence then?

hbtpoprock

Nov 13, 2018 08:32

@Mitch

hbtpoprock

Nov 13, 2018 08:32

@KannE How is it going? Are there many mistakes in the post?

hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 16:53

@KannE Ty, I'm very glad that you're here :)

hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 08:21

Q: Omissions of relative pronouns

We can omit relative pronoun when: The relative clause is non-defining clause, and the pronoun is the subject of the relative clause with a "be" verb (NOT verb to be). My mother, who is an excellent cook, is thinking of opening a restaurant. My mother, an excellent cook, is th...

hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 07:59

@KannE now I'm following your advice for editing my post.

hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 07:36

@KannE lol I just saw the messages you sent to @Mitch by mistake.

hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 07:31

@Mitch You can help me correct them by answering the post, so I can give you some up-vote in return :)

hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 07:27

@KannE Thank you very much :) I'm preparing for an ielts exam, that's why I need to cover them more precisely.

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 19:49

@Mitch ..

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 19:49

A: Omissions of relative pronouns

What's the name of the girl who was winning the tennis tournament? It can also be omitted into: What's the name of the girl winning the tennis tournament? I disagree. The last sentence means, "What's the name of the girl who is currently winning the tennis tournament?" In other words...

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 19:48

@KannE If two of you could take a look at my summary in the post, it would be very appreciated :)

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 09:06

Can anyone tell me whether we can omit this sentence please?
"Clare, **who is** working with me, is doing the London marathon this year."
Could it be "Clare, working with me, is doing the London marathon this year." instead?

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hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 13:49

It seems more I know more complex it becomes LOL

hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 13:10

The last instance is similar to our case

hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 13:09

Rule 5. Use commas to set off nonessential words, clauses, and phrases (see Who, That, Which, Rule 2b).

Incorrect: Jill who is my sister shut the door.
Correct: Jill, who is my sister, shut the door.

Incorrect: The man knowing it was late hurried home.
Correct: The man, knowing it was late, hurried home.

hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 13:08

As you stated, it’s acceptable :) grammarbook.com/punctuation/commas.asp

hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 13:06

@user178049 Yes, it does. Thanks for the information :)

hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 08:19

How about "Clare, who is sleeping in the couch, is Mike's son"?

hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 08:19

"James, a doctor, is my friend"

hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 08:19

@user178049 By the way, omitting "who is" in such a sentence "James, who is a doctor, is my friend" is fine, because the verb "is" is a "be" verb (not a verb-to-be).

hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 08:13

"Clare sleeping in the couch is Mike's son"

hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 08:13

"Clare, sleeping in the couch, is Mike's son"

hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 08:13

And what if we can literally omit "who is" from the Clare sentence. Would it be with commas or without any commas?

hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 08:12

I don't know I'm not a native, but that's from what I have read. Do you have any advice for me?

hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 08:11

That means you cant omit "who is" in the relative clause that adds additional information which is not important for identifying the person.

hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 08:08

Since I noticed "Non-restrictive relative clauses can be reduced in one way." from writingcenter.unc.edu/relative-clauses

hbtpoprock

Nov 12, 2018 08:07

@user178049 So we can omit "who is" in both cases?

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 10:04

But it's on another platform, ELL.

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 10:04

Q: Omissions of relative pronouns

We can omit relative pronoun when: The relative clause is non-defining clause, and the pronoun is the subject of the relative clause with the verb "be" (NOT verb to be). My mother, who is an excellent cook, is thinking of opening a restaurant. My mother, an excellent cook, is t...

relative-clauses relative-pronouns

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 10:04

And l'm trying to summarise all these rules in this post.

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 10:02

writingcenter.unc.edu/relative-clauses

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 10:02

esl.fis.edu/grammar/rules/relative.htm

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 10:02

Here is my references.

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 09:59

And from what I've read, it says we can't omit the pronoun of the non-defining clause, except when the pronoun comes with a verb "be".

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 09:56

What I really mean here is those relative clauses in both Clare sentence and The baby sentence are not that equivalent.

"Clare, who is sleeping in the couch, is Mike's son." needs commas since its relative clause is a non-defining clause.

BUT

"The baby who is sleeping in the couch is Mike's son." doesn't need a comma since its relative clause is a defining clause.

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 09:54

The sentence now would initially be "Clare, who is sleeping in the couch, is Mike's son." instead of "The baby who is sleeping in the couch is Mike's son.".

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 09:52

Again, about the question; what if I change "the baby" into a name, Clare, would it still be correct when omitting the pronoun?

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 09:47

Forget about those above. LOL

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 09:46

Sorry, I think it would be the other way around.

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 09:31

"The baby, who is sleeping in the couch, is Mike's son."

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 09:31

And do you think if "The baby who is sleeping in the couch is Mike's son." may need commas?

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 09:25

The sentence now would initially be "Clare who is sleeping in the couch is Mike's son." instead of "The baby who is sleeping in the couch is Mike's son.".

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 09:21

Again, about the question; what if I change "the baby" into a name, Clare, would it still be correct when omitting the pronoun?

hbtpoprock

Nov 10, 2018 09:15

I already marked your answer as a correct one :)