Jo King

@UnrelatedString you have to do something like add 1, subtract 2, add 3, subtract 4 etc. until it hits zero

i've seen it in a few 2D langs, but i haven't seen a lang where something like (1+2)2 = 32

@ATaco wait, you mean it isn't that every digit is an instruction that multiplies the previous calculation by 10 and adds itself? weird

@Bubbler spoiled good or spoiled bad

sɪmk: find a language that outputs something coherent with the above code

apparently you can only set the python recursion limit as low as 4 without it complaining. I wonder if that breaks any of the builtins

@Simd what sort of question is it that it would be relevant on multiple sites?

Recursion errors are usually recursion errors, and so forth

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer You say that, but you did the exact thing a month ago on this question and of your last 6 answers, half of them are loophole abuse

you've been warned about this a lot on previous answers, but i guess it needs to be explicitly stated

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer Regarding your recent comments on the CSS question, if your answer is extremely trivial because you've abused some unstated loophole (or a stated one for that matter), then while it may not technically be an invalid answer, it's an extremely boring and unlikeable answer that is going to be downvoted. In the end, it's not smart or fun to answer against the spirit of a challenge

f probably explicitly indicates it's a float

isn't the e for the exponent

@Simd oh no, A006577 has nonn, did i miss something?

was it in Sandbox, sometimes people might write an answer early

it'd be like if a solar system mnemonic had an extra planet for some reason

just seems like a bad learning tool if it teachs you something wrong if you take it at face value

@mousetail i never really understood these. why is multiplication higher precedence than division/addition higher than subtraction? wouldn't that mean something like 2/3*4 = 2/12 rather than 8/3?

e.g. the code could just be empty lmao

i mean, i didn't upvote it either, since the flags don't seem necessary and it feels like you're trying to make it underhanded rather than actually golfing it

@PlaceReporter99 i didn't downvote that one though

instead, they're "i saved a byte or two by moving them into the flags, haha"

it just seems like most of these are set up as against the spirit of "these are all different languages", when they're not at all treated like that.

@TheThonnu 23/5/8 and one i don't know what this means

you can have an entirely different set of instructions in your flags that don't have to follow the same rules as your main code

the old system still gave you a "discount" on moving code into the flags you know

like, the sum builtin is S as well, you're literally moving code into the command line

but flags for stuff you already have builtins are totally okay??

i see, your language must lack a sum builtin then

like, surely your language has a flatten builtin, why do you need a flag for it

oh, and i guess i downvoted a couple of thunno posts too, sorry @TheThonnu

my totally objective list ends up at 16 almost guaranteed to be abused, 14 abusable, and 18 whatevers

hence the downvotes (with some upvotes sprinkled in)

like, a flag that pushes 100 at the start of the program can only be abused. There's almost no reason that you can't just do that in within the actual program

though the way they're used still don't feel in the spirit of the flag decision

i finally took a look at Vyxal's flag list, and it turns out that not all of them are actually that abusive

the flags actually

@RydwolfPrograms that's actually what i ended up doing if you check out the python code

i mean, x also ends up as the absolute value of n*2 if you need it

with whatever value on cell zero, with some clear cells to either side (-1 through 2)

@NumberBasher yes, either the pointer is on cell zero for negative, or cell -1 for positive

given it only adds/subtracts positive values, it should work in unbounded signed int bf

there, i edited the python code of the algorithm to output the sign

with that code, i'm assuming the input is already on the tape

what's confusing

x=0
while n:
 x+=1
 n-=x
 if n==0: print('pos'); break
 x+=1
 n+=x
else:
 print('neg')

without testing, something like [>+[>+<<->-]>+<<[>]>[<+<+>>-]<<] ?

use another cell to store a counter, alternate between add, subtract, subtract, add, increment counter, repeat until that hits zero at some point

related, have you read Scott Alexander's Meditations on Moloch?

@DannyuNDos i have yet to find a self-consistent definition of "gods". also lol at the guy insisting that people are gods