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Caleb

Jan 14, 2020 06:41

No not directly (although they may have had to occasionally sit on their personal opinions for work reasons), but both of them are the sort that don't put up with too much nonsense and will speak out when something starts really not adding up. Even if they didn't have qualms about some modern approaches to gender issues I could see them speaking out against the way things were getting out of hand. I have to think they could see the collateral damage that was being sustained.

Caleb

Jan 14, 2020 06:35

@curiousdannii This can't be about needing to downsize. Their own explanation is that they want to "grow in 2020" and "ensure that they have a seat at the table". Whatever the specifics of the two CMs cases may be — SE is both feet into identity politics and that's driving some large portion of their decisions.

Caleb

Oct 25, 2019 07:14

@curiousdannii ...and a couple handfuls of them since.

Caleb

Oct 24, 2019 06:21

@El'endiaStarman This is not the first instance of this this week. Even if Cesar didn't know how to use the flag tools and to get rid of the flags first before deleting if you don't want to validate the splashy red ones, he should have learned it after the first couple mistakes.

Caleb

Oct 24, 2019 06:19

@PeterTurner Yes you did. I didn't agree with it completely, but it wasn't a terrible post.

Caleb

Oct 23, 2019 16:48

I could understand it being deleted from their new FAQ chain that they don't want to use for discussion, but this is on the discussion post, and it's not just deleted it deleted by validating (his or somebody elses) spam/abusive flag.

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Oct 23, 2019 16:46

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Oct 23, 2019 15:17

Wow. They are still making a train wreck out of this. A contrarian but also not at all inflammatory post on the update faq discussion thread has been deleted as spam/rude/abusive.

Caleb

Oct 12, 2019 06:57

@curiousdannii Yes, actually I would mind, I was trying to make a point with the language more customary of a bygone era where "man" meant "mankind". I think i even explain in the post or comments why I think cluttering in with PC speak would only dull its point.

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 20:08

@Mr.Bultitude I've had two working theories as to the urgency and secrecy. Today I've kind of warmed up to a third. None of them workout great for this site.

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 19:33

@Nathaniel twitter.com/SaraJChipps/status/1182650441882058752

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 19:09

Minor questions like "what if I make a mistake" and "what if I don't speak English" get answered asap, flat out objections get dismissed and deleted, and thoughtful detailed objections get stonewalled. No official acknowledgement that we're even saying anything.

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 19:03

124.

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Oct 11, 2019 19:02

That's one of several, where several means many.

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Oct 11, 2019 19:01

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Oct 11, 2019 18:59

@Nathaniel Ya in spite of the negative reaction almost every time that's been suggested, I'm guessing that's the next bandaid on this heart attack.

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Oct 11, 2019 18:58

@Nathaniel So I see. If it disagrees with your agenda delete first, ask questions later. If it agrees, who cares a little vitriol slips in here and there.

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 18:53

@Teemu it's a very imperfect solution - and a temporary one. For now, yes. We're in the process of implementing a suggestion from another MSE post so we don't need to have that anymore. — Cesar M ♦ 3 mins ago

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 18:53

@CesarM Stating one's pronouns in a question, comment or ansewer violates so many established rules we have had for years, those rules should also be changed? — Teemu 8 mins ago

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 18:52

Here we go...

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 18:50

@Nathaniel I opted to to flag anything there. I did see the most egregious comment (where he actually pretty much equated me with a terrorist) got deleted so I assume that happened automatically because of N flags. What's left is mostly where he goes on to defend his initial position.

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 16:11

@Nathaniel Ya that retweet has been around since the day after the first flopped apology. It wasn't the only tactless Twitter post from that quarter either. Most of them have since been removed. The original in that case is still live and a raging dumpster fire.

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 13:36

@curiousdannii This is going downhill fast. My editor experience is very near to my heart you know. Next thing you'll be telling telling me to get ed from a trustworthy pastor or councilor instead of soliciting the advice of random strangers on the internet whose ideas are less than sublime. I think I should disengage now before someone gets hurt. ;-)

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 13:29

@curiousdannii There are other ways to exit vim besides pulling the plug.

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 13:27

That's with Firenvim in case you are wondering. Just reach out, it can change your life too.

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Oct 11, 2019 13:25

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Oct 11, 2019 13:24

Just for the record, if vimming is a sin then I'm due for a lot of purgatory. Even this chat message is being composed in a full blooded Neovim instance running inside my browser.

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 13:13

As they say, the devil is in the details.

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Oct 11, 2019 13:13

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Oct 11, 2019 13:06

I'm all out of votes but that post deserves a +1 from tomorrow's stock.

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 13:05

Uggg. That sounds familiar. The comment has long since been nuked but I remarked on somebody's answer that was thanking SE for making changes based on feedback that they hadn't actually changed anything of substance, only dressed it up in prettier language.

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 12:29

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Oct 11, 2019 12:29

> Moderators were consulted on various drafts of the CoC amendments and we successfully requested the removal of the compelled speech ("do not avoid using pronouns when requested"). This clause implies that people cannot address people by name or "The OP" if they declare a pronoun. This makes a mockery of how to address them individually among a discussion group of many participants. I thought that we had reached a clear, concise, straightforward wording.
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> I didn't expect the raft of FAQ clauses that followed, and the compelled speech enforced by them. The FAQ is bewildering, confusing, …

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 12:29

Interesting notes from behind the scenes here. It looks like the compelled speech thing came up in TL/Mod discussion earlier this week and they sort of changed the letter of the law (did drop a proposed clause), just not the spirit (as evidenced by the FAQ, staff comments, and enforcement).

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 10:51

@LukeMcGregor I'm pretty sure using nano puts you in the "Go directly to jail, do not pass Go, do not collect $200" category. Sorry mate, I hope you roll doubles.

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 10:32

Also those days were before atom and vscode came along and bungled everything up, confusing a whole generation of programmers about what was an editor and what was a browser. Kids these days.

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 10:31

I miss the days on the internet when we could have flame wars over our respective editors and at the end of the day both parties would get a laugh out of it.

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 10:19

On the 6th day the Benevolent one made vim, and saw that it was good, and so he rested. Some time after that, man got bored with Benevolent knowing what was best for him and started mucking around with things that were above his pay-grade. Thus he beget emacs. After much toil and sorrow he gradually became aware of the error of his ways and is now trying working hard to earn his way into heaven. — Caleb 10 mins ago

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Oct 11, 2019 10:19

Here is a little humor to lighten the mood.

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Oct 11, 2019 10:19

Sorry @Luke those comments are copied here for posterity (since one or the other will likely be nuked soon). Not trying to cheer you up.

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 10:18

Calling people who disagree with you ugly names does not legitimize your argument @Nij. I am not afraid of, nor do I bear any ill will toward, nor do I wish any harm come to members of society that hold a different worldview from myself on issues of sexuality or gender identity. Ergo calling me "transphobic" after directly equating that label with terrorism is itself offensive, an ad hominem attack against my person, and a violation of the old CoC. — Caleb 45 secs ago

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Oct 11, 2019 10:17

They've also from the very start excluded the worldview of white supremacists, misogynists and zealots who promote terrorism. Stop complaining that you can't keep being transphobic. @Caleb — Nij 6 mins ago

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 09:15

@Nathaniel Ağızına sağlık.

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 09:14

@Nathaniel I think what you did is good for now.

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 08:48

I'd like to try to write something for that too ... along the lines of refuting not just the way tho CoC was introduced but that the change in itself is inherently (a change of kind, not just of degree|counterproductive to it's stated goal|hypocritical|myopic|unenforceable|...). And yet, for this week what writing energies I have left need to go into finishing my sermon.

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 08:40

@Nathaniel A variant of your post about why this is a big deal to some might go better under this question that under apaul's.

Caleb

Oct 11, 2019 08:29

Okay I have better things to do today that track and feed trolls (even if there are some real classy ones circling).

:chat!

Vi and Vim chat vi.stackexchange.com

Caleb

Oct 20, 2019 09:38

I actually just started such a thing and called in preservim because I couldn't find such a thing, but if it exists I'm all ears. For starters I have suggested this as a new home for nerdcommenter, nerdtree, and tagabar.

Caleb

Oct 20, 2019 09:38

Does anybody know of any Github orgs or communities that are dedicated to maintaining assorted vim plugins? I know there are lots around specific ecosystems (e.g. vim-pandoc) or by specific authors, but I'm interested in something more diverse and less focused on development than maintenance — which tends to be a problem for oldie-but-goodie vim plugins.