The h Bar

General chat for Physics SE (physics.stackexchange.com). For M...
Feb 8, 2017 20:46
Ill be flooding the forum with political opinions now too. If others do it, why not me.
Dec 10, 2015 18:49
For example, if the pipes are long enough, you might need the tank higher to overcome friction and losses. Something to be aware of....
Dec 10, 2015 18:48
No worries. Also note that friction and flow in pipes (reference) might effect practical considerations.
Dec 10, 2015 18:44
That is how a manometer works
Dec 10, 2015 18:43
^^ What he said. Make the U-Bend higher than the tank
Dec 10, 2015 18:42
If the U-bend were higher than the water basin, water would not flow
Dec 10, 2015 18:42
@PatoSáinz Because the water basin is higher than the rest of the pipe system, hydrostatic pressure causes water to flow.
Dec 10, 2015 18:41
To clarify my answer before: $a(t)$ into bar --> $a(x)$ in the bar at a given value of $a(t)$ until $a$ is constant on all differential mass elements. What is the formal way to write this?
Dec 10, 2015 18:33
@ACuriousMind Noted, will do. Thanks- learning every day.
Dec 10, 2015 18:31
DavidZ is the man!
Dec 10, 2015 18:30
@ACuriousMind He deleted them. They werent bad, just "will you skype", "I dont get it", etc.
Dec 10, 2015 18:28
@DavidZ On a separate note, the comments here are outdated and not useful, as I edited my answer. Not sure how much you wish to micromanage deletion of comments...
Dec 10, 2015 18:24
Cool, thanks DavidZ.
Dec 10, 2015 18:23
@DavidZ Agreed. I thought Id alert you because my answer prevented the normal process from deleting it. I didnt want my name on a crap answer.
Dec 10, 2015 18:19
Thanks, enjoy.
Dec 10, 2015 18:18
I wasnt sure how to formally write it, even though the answer and logic are correct
Dec 10, 2015 18:18
@Ocelo7
Dec 10, 2015 18:17
@DavidZ It was closed and scheduled for deletion until my answer was upvoted, preventing its deletion
Dec 10, 2015 18:17
Within the bar, $a$ is a function of x until it is damped, assuming $a(t)$ does not change again.
Dec 10, 2015 18:15
The acceleration applied to the rod is strictly a function $a(t)$.
Dec 10, 2015 18:14
So the force on the bar is $a(t)$ but when $a$ changes, accelerations in the bar vary until the damping coefficient of the material forces the accelerations to be constant.
Dec 10, 2015 18:09
I wrote the partial $\frac{\partial \;a(x,t)}{\partial x}$ for completeness but in reality, if $a$ changes as a function of time, $a(x)$ will vary. What is the formal way to write this?
 
Sep 22, 2016 11:43
Another quick question if I may? Are the stresses the same in Euler and Timoshenko beams? I know Timoshenko beams include the deflection that Euler beams neglect but I believe the stress states are identical?
Sep 22, 2016 11:42
I have read that cover to cover and think I understand EB beams well.
Sep 22, 2016 11:42
Thanks @Wasabi
Sep 22, 2016 07:06
^vs only 10 quad elements
Sep 22, 2016 07:05
Sep 22, 2016 07:04
**sorry, wrong JPG.. 20 elements
Sep 22, 2016 07:04
^This is the 30 linear elements.
Sep 22, 2016 07:03
Sep 22, 2016 06:58
All plots shown use ANSYS Beam 188 element. All have the same geometry and material. Only the formulation is changed between linear and quad.
Sep 22, 2016 06:57
The quad designates the internal formulation of the shape functions and total DOF for the stiffness matrix
Sep 22, 2016 06:56
No. Im not talking about quadrilateral elements (like Quad 182). Im talking about quadrilateral beam elements (3 nodes, each with 6 DOF).
Sep 22, 2016 06:54
A standard beam stiffness matrix is based on Euler-Bernoulli formulation with 6 DOF per node. The Timoshenko stiffness matrix helps with deep sections where shear deformation becomes a factor.
Sep 22, 2016 06:53
The linear elements are terrible at reflecting the stress state (I get that) but I dont understand why the nodal deflection is different from theory.
Sep 22, 2016 06:52
Sep 22, 2016 06:51
Sep 22, 2016 06:51
Here is the comparison for 2 linear elements vs two quad elements.
Sep 22, 2016 06:50
That is the single Quad.
Sep 22, 2016 06:50
Sep 22, 2016 06:49
If I were to model it with a quadratic element I get very close to the exact solution with only a single element
Sep 22, 2016 06:49
For a slender beam I get the same stress results because it is only a single, linear element.
Sep 22, 2016 06:47
Hi, thanks for your help.
Sep 22, 2016 06:47
@joojaa Thanks. Im not entirely sure what you mean by 'does not rotate' but I will edit the question to reflect your points and better clarify.
Sep 22, 2016 06:47
@joojaa As I understand it: Euler-Bernoulli assumes the cross section is perpendicular to the N.A. (best for slender beams); Timoshenko assumes cross sections remain planar but does not assume they are perpendicular to the N.A.; My knowledge of Mindlin elements is minimal but I dont think they require the cross section be planar. Regardless, the difference between theories is negligible compared to the FE error.
Sep 22, 2016 06:47
@joojaa Thanks for your interest. It is true that ANSYS uses Timoshenko or Mindlin beam elements. While this does account for some error in comparison to Euler-Bernoulli, Im wondering why the result doesnt better reflect solutions obtained analytically. BTW, all beam theories do account for rotation (defined as $ROTZ=\frac{dy}{dx}$ etc.) .
 

 The Skunk Works

To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the...
Dec 22, 2015 04:42
I know open-ended topics arent well received in QA. Alright, thats the topic... fire away, destroy my dreams (if you must)?!
Dec 22, 2015 04:31
This made me wonder if anyone has suggested a means to slowly diffuse its energy (to prevent a catastrophic eruption in the very distant future), with the added bonus of harnessing its energy.
Dec 22, 2015 04:29
I recently read about the massive volcano under Yellowstone National Park.
Dec 22, 2015 04:28
Im posting in chat so y'all cant downvote..;)
2