Ragamalika

A chatroom for rasikas of Indian Classical and Light Music.
Oct 23, 2021 11:50
Life's good! How did you enjoy your time away?
Oct 23, 2021 11:50
Haha, I see!
Sep 23, 2021 07:27
@Malavika This enthusiastic Happy Birthday made me feel that it's really my birthday, haha, so thanks for that!
Sep 23, 2021 07:24
Lol, I'm utterly puzzled. It hasn't been a year since I joined this chatroom (or Sarvalaghu either). Hm…
Sep 23, 2021 07:20
Thank you, but which birthday is this?!
Sep 23, 2021 07:20
@Malavika ???
Sep 15, 2021 02:38
@Malavika Hehe, guilty as charged. I came here, started typing a reply, but that got too long, so I cancelled it and went away.
Sep 12, 2021 00:56
@RakeshJoshi Same here, @Malavika
Sep 12, 2021 00:54
Ah, yes, I still haven't understood it v.v
Let me see if I can find another raga for now…
Sep 12, 2021 00:52
@Malavika Oh I was not suggesting that singer as an answer to your question, just something that you must listen to if you haven't.
Sep 10, 2021 14:07
That reminds me of this unbelievable performance (which you would most probably have heard, if not here, then at least in some movie or cartoon, because it's a somewhat common pop-culture reference too): youtube.com/watch?v=YuBeBjqKSGQ
Sep 10, 2021 14:05
@Malavika Okay, that's good then
Sep 9, 2021 11:25
@Malavika Haven't checked, but the first name that comes to mind is Begum Parveen Sultana.
Aug 18, 2021 05:01
Happy New Year to you too!
Aug 18, 2021 05:01
Aug 18, 2021 04:57
@Malavika Which new year is this?!
Aug 10, 2021 12:28
@Malavika Haha. Hadn't realised that. No, I just went now because it was possible to get a break (sort of) from work only now.
Aug 7, 2021 17:46
@Malavika All good! I'd come to Kerala for a week. Going back tomorrow.
Jul 29, 2021 08:44
@Malavika Good afternoon!
Jul 29, 2021 08:33
@Malavika Thank you, some of these are very interesting!
Jul 29, 2021 08:29
Whereas in Harimuraleeravam, the extended singing and the three-octave sangati immediately after that were done naturally, and, as is probably well-known, deliberately designed by Raveendran to show that Yesudas could still sing like that (because he'd been annoyed by some people's disparaging remarks about Yesudas' voice at the time)
Jul 29, 2021 08:26
@Malavika Yes, I remember that (unlike Harimuraleeravam), this is a case where the audio was edited to make it look like it was done at a stretch. As I recall, Yesudas, in an interview or something, was appealing to contestants in music competitions not to attempt that, or maybe not to feel disappointed at not being able to do that, because it was actually achieved by manipulating the audio recording, and he did not sing it like that in real life
Jul 25, 2021 11:03
@Malavika Hello, and good afternoon!
Jul 23, 2021 08:05
As he explains, there's a special swarakshara prayoga here. Every "ma" in the sahitya (and there are many more than usual) also correspond to the swara M
Jul 23, 2021 08:04
On that note, let me share another special composition of Balamurali with you
Jul 23, 2021 07:58
So I hope you treated him nicely
Jul 23, 2021 07:58
Must be because it's Ramayana Masam
Jul 23, 2021 07:56
@Malavika Haha, I see
Jul 23, 2021 07:49
@Malavika Well, I only really know you and @Pantuvarali here. I've seen @RakeshJoshi around, but haven't conversed directly with him
Jul 23, 2021 07:43
@Malavika Yes, I remember @Pantuvarali mentioned that his computer is away for repairs so he'll be away for a week : (
Jul 23, 2021 07:37
@Malavika Good afternoon!
Jul 23, 2021 07:23
@Malavika All three are ragamalikas, though Sudhamantram is an unusual one compared to the other two. But again, all three are not the usual kind of ragamalika where you just change the raga by changing the scale. These change the raga by staying on the same scale but changing the tonic. So the notes are all the same but the raga is different
Jul 22, 2021 06:52
But even in Bhavayami, he does employ some fast-paced grahabhedam during the swaraprastara, which is still relatively easier compared to Sudhamantram.
Jul 22, 2021 06:52
Bhavayami has the more conventional grahabhedam (and it also uses different ragas in the usual ragamalika form, not via grahabhedam), so it's much easier to sing if your voice is trained enough (of course there are physical difficulties in terms of speed and range, which is a completely different matter, and can even apply to say, Harimulraliravam or Pramadavanam).
Jul 22, 2021 06:48
And this is done in an impossibly fast manner
Jul 22, 2021 06:48
Also, it is different from the usual grahabhedam because the shift is not to a note that's present in the raga. Instead, what he does is shift the shadjam one swara down (i.e., one semitone down), and keep the other notes in place, which gives a new raga that actually cannot be obtained by pure grahabhedam
Jul 22, 2021 06:46
It's there in the first alapana itself (which, when you're hearing it for the first time, sounds like the singer has made a mistake)
Jul 22, 2021 06:46
As to why I consider Sudhamantram more difficult… Normally the grahabhedam is done for a new line, in a composition, or in swaraprastara, again you get some gap to establish the new aadharashadjam, where you can hold it for some time and then shift to it to get the new raga. But in Sudhamantram, the shifts are done in a very short span of time, or in one line of the song itself
Jul 22, 2021 06:43
And there's also his RTP with pallavi Sarigamapadani Padeda, in Natabhairavi, in which during swaraprastara he does grahabhedam and sings all the other possible ragas, the same scales that Shadaj Ne Paya explores (except, starting from Shankarabharanam instead of Natabhairavi)
Jul 22, 2021 06:43
And you must listen to his Thayaragamalika tillana, which is basically in Kalyani, if you look only at the scale, but is actually a ragamalika because it goes into other ragams (Shankarabharanam, Mohanam, Hindolam, Darbari, as far as I can remember) by grahabhedam.
Jul 22, 2021 06:40
Of course, nowadays this has become a common thing, and many Carnatic and Hindustani singers do it during ragalapana or swaraprastara — notably, Balamuralikrishna who used to do this even long ago when it wasn't so popular.
Jul 22, 2021 06:36
@Malavika Ah yes, this is comparable to Sudhamantram and Bhavayami (though I think the former is actually even more difficult, and I'll explain why). The difficulty comes from grahabhedam, which is what all these songs are built on
Jul 21, 2021 02:44
@Malavika Aaah, that's very sad, and it sounds like a very silly reason to me : (
Jul 21, 2021 02:40
@Malavika Oh, Vishwabharati was the name of the house, I studied in Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan (which is probably what you were thinking of anyway). I don't really know about anything like Kalolsavam related to my school, but that's just my general lack of ignorance in these matters. I'm sure something like that exists
 

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A chatroom for discussions on technical aspects of Carnatic mu...
Sep 3, 2021 07:06
@Pantuvarali Thank you, this is excellent! : D
Jul 30, 2021 12:33
@Malavika I have something called "WinCompose" installed that allows me to type Unicode characters using some key combinations (which is most useful for mathematical discussions in chat), so I can easily get this using the combination [Compose] t h (the pronunciation of the letter is close to "th")
Jul 30, 2021 12:31
@Malavika It's the Icelandic letter called "thorn": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(letter)
Jul 30, 2021 08:13
@Malavika Lasts only 27 seconds, sadly : þ
Jul 29, 2021 08:23
@Malavika This reads like a homework question (and I believe the person who added first comment below the question felt the same way).