English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

O0oO0oOO0ooO

03:22

I hate when western medias make bigger deal about suicide news in Korea.

they emphasise those issues and make readers think life in Korea is a hell

Cerberus

The plural is media. One medium, two media.

But I have never seen or heard of these suicide reports.

Aren't you being a bit too sensitive about your country?

I have nothing against it or for it.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

@Cerberus Thanks for the correction

Cerberus

By the way, I was in Korea today, in Geoguesser. I was in Goyang. I found my location on the map within 5 km.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

Hmm I guess yeah, but Youtube always recommend me to watch videos about them and Youtube is the site where I mostly visit

Cerberus

It never recommends anything like that to me.

> Q. Hard to Discuss: I love my girlfriend very much, but there has been a topic that I find it hard to discuss, and it always leaves me upset. When she was 11, she noticed a relative (in her 30s) in a sexual manner who then took advantage of that and engaged in sexual activities with her.

> My girlfriend insists that she was not molested and that she was never really a child and participated willingly. While I reluctantly believe that she is OK with that, I think that woman is a monster for taking advantage of someone so young. My girlfriend doesn't think that her relative is disgusting. She herself isn't a pedophile, but her defense of that woman leaves me angry. I don't know what to think about any of this or how I should feel.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What do you think of this?

Whatever happened, the girl doesn't care. She doesn't have a problem, and all this is creating a problem where none exists. I'm not saying the relative wasn't wrong to do what she did, but, first, apparently it doesn't have to be a problem, and, secondly, the paedophile-witchhunt is causing harm to the girl now.

slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2013/06/…

O0oO0oOO0ooO

03:32

@Cerberus oh, and I think the reason is it's just our culture to be sensitive about our country

Cerberus

What reason?

@O0oO0oOO0ooO Hmm Korea must be a really bad country if people are always sensitive about it!

O0oO0oOO0ooO

nope

anyways, I'm going back to work

Cerberus

@O0oO0oOO0ooO (Joking!)

Okay, bye.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

but people are always serious about "how awesome Korea is" compare to other countries

Cerberus

Some countries are more patriotic than others. I personally find it a bit silly, and sometimes annoying, but most of the time I really couldn't care less. Let people be patriotic if they like.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

03:41

I agree with you that it is patriotism but Koreans try to glorify themselves and call it nationalism

=D which is kind of funny

Cerberus

Nationalism is worse than patriotism...

O0oO0oOO0ooO

hmm really?

Cerberus

Nationalism is almost neutral, but we all know it often derails into fascism or war-mongering; patriotism is a friendly word for the same sentiment.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

Hmm, right.

I even found a news article on it

jie

hi

O0oO0oOO0ooO

04:03

I think I figured out how Midomi website works

nvm

@jie oh hai, but you are gone now

Cerberus

04:56

Who do you think this is?

Fleur Pellerin, French Minister of electronic affairs, born in Korea.

C'est pas mal, eh?

O0oO0oOO0ooO

me? I never knew about her

Cerberus

Now you do.

She's pretty cool.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

yeah, but I can see she looks like a Korean (Asians can identify each other's nationality)

MετάEd

@Cerberus Electronic affairs ... funny euphemism for netsex.

Cerberus

@MετάEd Heh, well, I made it up. She's actually a "Delegate with responsibility for Small and Medium Enterprises, Innovation, and the Digital Economy attached to the Minister for Economic Regeneration".

She said, "you can't just cut off people's internet: it's like water".

We like her. And she looks pretty darn hot!

MετάEd

05:05

"Delegate"? Who's doing the delegating?

Cerberus

Probably Parliament?

No, she's probably a delegate of her minister.

Okay, bed time!

Buh-bai!

Noah

05:59

Hi

@MετάEd What does your name tag mean?

jie

@O0oO0oOO0ooO hi, i'm come back.

Noah

@jie Hi

jie

@Noah hi Noah

Noah

What's up buddy?

jie

06:14

I'm working.

Can you help me learn English?

Noah

Sure.

jie

Thank you.

Noah

Everyone here is to help each other.

jie

Do you know how to learn English is good?

That's nice.

Noah

I am not a teacher. But I think by practicing. You have to study the language, its grammar; read books and practice it with your friends.

It's more like learning piano or any other instrument for that matter.

jie

06:18

I'm Chinese and my friend don't interesting English.

In my country English is not use frequently.

I think if i have some friend who speak english i could learn english better

are you agree me?

O0oO0oOO0ooO

@jie I support your approach to learn English

jie

Thank you. But I don't have friend speak English.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

I was in a exact same situation in past. So I went on a MMORPG called WOW and made number of friends who speak English better than me

jie

If someone like help me,I could teach him Chinese.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

most of them were Singaporeans

jie

06:30

What is MMORPG? I don't sound that before.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

►

jie

World of warcraft in Chinese called "魔兽世界".

O0oO0oOO0ooO

I wish I was able to read them all =D...

jie

Chinese can't access Youtube.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

Rightio, I noticed that from few of other Chinese friends of mine last time

and I forgot about it sorry

jie

06:35

Government blocked networks.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

balls

jie

Do you have friend is Singaporeans?

Introduced me to know.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

sorry? No because I only have a very few friends in general anyway.

jie

That's OK. Thank you very much.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

why would you want to improve your English? What is your goal?

jie

06:43

I want to chat to anyone in the world?

Know the world, every country.

English is a world language, so i want to get it.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

Cool

jie

thank you.

But now my English is very bad, I'm feel sad.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

You should watch Game of Throne season 3 to learn English

this week's episode was great.

jie

I don't like play Game.

But your advice is very good.

Jez

08:25

@JohanLarsson Not seeing anything in that Gist

RegDwighт

08:55

> NurgleGod sent you a whisper on Kongregate.

> What heppened with phantom commando still active?

@robusto @kitfox @Cerberus

Johan Larsson

@Jez What do you mean, no code?

Jez

09:06

yeah

Matt Эллен

09:19

I can't concentrate on work. I just want to work on this haskell.

Robusto

09:34

@RegDwighт That's kinda odd.

RegDwighт

Wasn't he, like, our very first merc?

His metabolism sure is slow.

Jez

@MattЭллен I can't concentrate on work. I just want to play EU3.

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A: How to iteratively generate k elements subsets from a set of size n in java?

Inspired by afsantos's answer :-)... I decided to write a C# .NET implementation to generate all subset combinations of a certain size from a full set. It doesn't need to calc the total number of possible subsets; it detects when it's reached the end. Here it is: public static List<object[]> g...

Johan Larsson

@MattЭллен Can you see the code in the gist?

Jez

this code is blazingly quick. it just generated 300,000 combinations in under a second :-D

Johan Larsson

@Jez How long list and how long subsets?

Matt Эллен

09:46

@JohanLarsson yeah, no problem

Jez

@JohanLarsson list of 27, subsets of size 6

Johan Larsson

subsets of length 6 from list of length 27 resulted in 296010 pcs and took 85,6 ms

Jez

now the real intensive part - checking all those generated combos

RegDwighт

@JohanLarsson That is UNDER 9000 seconds!

Johan Larsson

yes

Matt Эллен

09:51

That's OVER 9000 microseconds

RegDwighт

Nah, 85.6 is well under over 9000.

Matt Эллен

you've removed the units! you've ruined everything

RegDwighт

The units are the same, silly Briton.

Johan Larsson

Sad thing dotTrace trial has expired, always fun to profile stuff

Matt Эллен

@RegDwighт (ms == milliseconds)

Johan Larsson

09:53

Is there a way to use the VS profiler for unit tests?

RegDwighт

@MattЭллен (milli == micro)

Matt Эллен

@RegDwighт I can't tell if you're joking, so I shall assume you are. lol

RegDwighт

One is Italian, the other German. Don't they teach anything in schools anymore.

Matt Эллен

they teach me nothing in school anymore

RegDwighт

I knew it!

Matt Эллен

09:54

:D

Mr_Green

"I am still waiting for your confirmation mail about the cancellation of my registration with your Firm."

Does the above sentence sounds good?

Matt Эллен

yes

Mr_Green

BTW, Hi to all :D

Thanks @MattЭллен

RegDwighт

0

Q: the meaning of english language

The English language, a. language originating in. England but now spoken in all. parts of the British Isles, the. Commonwealth of Nations, the United States of America, and other parts of the world. is spoken here as an unofficial. language and lingua franca. 1. One"s ability to employ the. Engli...

programming

42.

Matt Эллен

@Mr_Green as an aside you should say "does it sound good?" not "does it sounds good?"

Mr_Green

10:03

ohh, okay

David Wallace

I am still waiting for your mail confirming the cancellation of my registration with your firm.

No, not just the small f. I have rearranged the bit in the middle.

Mr_Green

yes I noticed

:)

Thanks

Anyway, I have sent the mail :(

RegDwighт

I've heard of con men, con artists, and con games. But con firms?

Matt Эллен

I'm sure you're trying to forget Con Air

RegDwighт

That's because I am.

Matt Эллен

10:09

glad I could con found

RegDwighт

Thank you for your con tinued interest.

Matt Эллен

It's not voluntary. We're all con scripted.

RegDwighт

All our machines are based on silly con.

BBL meeting.

Matt Эллен

10:27

I'll leave you a con note for your return

KitFox

12:21

@RegDwighт roflcopter

Mitch

12:32

on a survey...

What if you work at a Chai chop as a tea tester?

KitFox

Then you are a skilled worker.

Matt Эллен

what if you farm mobile shoe shop drivers?

Mitch

ok...next...

KitFox

@MattЭллен Then you are an unskilled worker or businessman, depending on whether you own the farm.

@Mitch Illiterate

Matt Эллен

I think they misspelt pug

Mitch

12:35

Like the braille at the drive-up ATM.

KitFox

Hey, my friend uses that!

Mitch

@MattЭллен 'Dog' is the highest form of education.

KitFox

And anyway, don't be silly. They aren't going to make special drive-up models.

Matt Эллен

@Mitch certainly the best trained

Mitch

I close my eyes and try to use the Braille...in Korean!

Matt Эллен

12:40

I close my eyes and ... oh god.

KitFox

giggles

in The Overlook Hotel, 15 secs ago, by KitFox

Chat day!

@MattЭллен I told you that hard made it more fun.

Mitch

@MattЭллен said the bishop to the actress.

Kaching!

ba da bing!

fireworks

Johan Larsson

writing some C# vs Excel, inch by inch

Mitch

explosions

confetti!

Matt Эллен

oh you guys! I was actually traumatised by the images of burning souls, which is why I don't sleep

Mitch

12:46

you... you ... Matt sighs in admiration

Matt Эллен

16

Q: Is the Manhattan distance monotonic when used as heuristic function?

I have a square-based map. Only horizontal and vertical movement is allowed (no diagonals). Movement cost is always 1. I'm implementing an A* algorithm on that map, using the Manhattan distance as a distance heuristic. Is this heuristic consistent? Can I can avoid checking g(node) against nodes ...

tiles path-finding geometry

TIL

Mitch

You're lucky...you get to see burning souls. All I get are little spots.

Matt Эллен

spots on the insides of your eyelids doesn't sound healty.

Mitch

is it healthier if they're also burning? you know, reducing the risk of infection?

What if they spell out messages?

Like 'Train station, locker 239, key behind third men's toilet stall'

KitFox

@MattЭллен What now?

Matt Эллен

12:50

then you should follow the instructions. adventure awaits!

Mitch

also 'poop'

Matt Эллен

poop is important. everybody poops

Mitch

but I can't tell if it is a verb or ... what do you call those things... oh yeah a noun.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox you know, the ones that writhe in agony

Mitch

or an interjection.

Matt Эллен

12:52

if you figure it out, you'll be rich!

KitFox

Will I? I am so confused.

Mitch

Argh...is it the third from the left or third from the right?

Matt Эллен

yes, they'll change your name

KitFox

What happened to you, @Matt?

Mitch

@KitFox Don't worry. It will pass. Like your poop.

KitFox

12:53

Do I need to get the trepanner out?

Matt Эллен

@KitFox what happened about what when?

Mitch

My turn.

KitFox

Why? Why are you doing this to me?

Matt Эллен

because it's Tuesday

Mitch

Which 'this'?

KitFox

12:54

I thought we were friends.

Matt Эллен

Good. poo9

Mitch

@KitFox You're the one who wants to bring out the trepanner.

KitFox

I'm perfectly qualified to use it.

Trust me. I used to be a neuroscientist.

Matt Эллен

mtg. bbl

Mitch

@KitFox define 'perfectly'. I just saw an add for some bio-pharma- something company with a researcher holding a cute little mouse, and all I could think was... autotome.

KitFox

12:57

Hahaha.

Well, none of my patients ever complained.

Mitch

You know, the slicey thing.

KitFox

Yes. I've used them. Microtome.

On mouse brains.

And rat brains.

Mitch

Have you ever... you know, used it... like to....

just to see if it hurt?

KitFox

No. It's fucking sharp.

Mitch

Since we're sharing (I know, we're not really)...

I used to take needles...

I don't know how I ever thought it was possible...

KitFox

13:00

And insert them in your urethra?

Mitch

What? Hell no, I hardly knew her.

KitFox

Ah. Well. Wild guess.

So...was there more to your story?

Mitch

Shoot.. there was another thing I was going to post here, but it's not fun...not like sticking needles under your skin.

Not like piercing at all, just under the topmost layer of skin, probably at a callous.

KitFox

I once jabbed an 18-gauge needle into my finger when I was injecting cow eyeballs with formalin.

That hurt. A lot.

Mitch

I was about to ask about the cow, but I figure the formalin...was that to preserve the eyeball?

KitFox

13:04

@Mitch Not everything you share has to be fun.

@Mitch Yes.

Mitch

OK..carte blanche!

KitFox

We gave cow eyeballs to the med students to dissect.

Mitch

So one time I was waling down the street, and there was nobody around. and so I kept walking.

KitFox

Med students are a bunch of horrible people.

I got a date out of it though, but we weren't remotely compatible.

Mitch

I know MDs who became vegetarian after their first cadaver.

@KitFox 'it', the 'missed-eyeball' incident?

KitFox

13:06

@Mitch Well, the dissection lab that followed.

Mitch

@KitFox I'd hope they'd get more than just an eyeball.

KitFox

I think the guy's name was Paul Foster. I think he was from Alaska. I can't believe I remember that much.

Mitch

Oh

@KitFox googles for it

KitFox

No, I just did the eye lab.

Mitch

Yes, you're right.

KitFox

13:06

!!/google Paul Foster Alaska

Caprica Six

@KitFox names.whitepages.com/alaska/paul/foster ; housemajority.org/nfoster/index.php ; salespider.com/bp-7654746/paul-foster

Mitch

ah...now I remember...

lemire.me/blog/archives/2013/06/03/…

> Back when I attended college, you better had an appointment if you expected to see a professor outside of class. And chances are that the professor would miss your appointment. I once waited outside the office of a professor for an hour while I had dirty chat with his mistress.

That wasn't what I remembered but I need to keep the audience entertained while I find the boring part that interested me.

KitFox

> If I solved a problem in front of them, they could take notes and reproduce my solution. But they often wouldn’t even try coming up with an original solution of their own. They certainly would never look critically at the solution I provided.

Mitch

This was it...

> Carl Zimmer, a famous science writer, complains about how students keep asking him homework questions.

KitFox

I try to engage my sons in problem-solving behavior precisely because I will be extremely disappointed in them if they can't think for themselves.

But teaching strategy is hard.

Mitch

13:11

I know right? But frankly everyone has been telling everyone to ask questions, and this is slapping them down.

If it's all 'figure it our for yourself' then why bother with teaching at all!

KitFox

And that asinine "There are no dumb questions" adage.

There are dumb questions. People ask them all the time.

Mitch

Well it's a first step.

It's like Strunk and White...it's superb for highschool students and starting writers.

KitFox

No. The first step is to fucking think about it.

Don't just open your mouth and let the words spill out.

Mitch

@KitFox haha, like 'What? What do you mean "there's a car coming?" ?'

Or..or...

KitFox

"Are peas vegetables?"

Mitch

13:14

"Do you think their guns could hit us from...?"

KitFox

"Do I need to breathe underwater?"

Mitch

@KitFox Holy shit! Exactly. Wait. Are they?

KitFox

"Is there gravity on the moon?"

@Mitch You tell me.

What makes something a vegetable?

Mitch

Stop it! those are the questions on the inside of my eyelids!

@KitFox Can't answer questions well?

KitFox

What?

Oh. Haha

Mitch

13:16

"What makes something a vegetable? It can't answer questions well."

KitFox

People don't bother to formulate questions. They don't think about things. They are just generally stupid.

Mitch

To be frank those aren't terrible questions. Sometimes a question is figuring out what words mean.

People are usually not so stupid until they open their mouths.

MετάEd

@KitFox Of course not. It's too far away from the earth.

Geez, people. Don't you watch the SciFi channel?

Mitch

H a ha. that was clever, because 'stupid' means 'dumb' and dumb means unable to talk.

KitFox

@Mitch They are terrible questions because they require figuring out what the words mean first. So the questioner should think about it.

Mitch

13:18

@KitFox But what if you don't know exactly what the word means to other people? which is half of what a word means.

KitFox

@MετάEd And here I was last night, tinged with embarrassment because I wasn't sure if I was close enough when I told my son that the moon had about one-sixth the gravity of Earth.

Mitch

@MετάEd exactly...you could be talking about earth's gravity.

KitFox

@Mitch Then you should be asking about the words and the concepts.

Mitch

but an utterance can have so many purposes and uses that you're packing in to them. to separate all into some Spock-like dialog would be exasperating.

KitFox

"How strong is Earth's gravitational field? How far past the Moon's orbit does it extend?"

Mitch

13:20

@KitFox 1/6 sounds right (from memory of course...who really knows the mass of the earth and moon).

@KitFox I know! I know. Me me me. Ask Me!

KitFox

@Mitch True. But it is useless to ask if there is gravity on the moon if you mean to ask something else.

@Mitch OK. I'm interested to know.

Mitch

But half of knowledge is definitions. and you can use the words before you know exactly what they mean. and they may not even mean anything exactly. You know what I mean?

Cerberus

@RegDwighт Aww that's sweet.

hhh

What is train santity or something like it? He says it here.

Mitch

@KitFox In your knwledgeable technical understanding, yes, but not if you don't already know the word.

KitFox

13:23

@Mitch But if you don't know what the word means, then you are asking the wrong question.

Mitch

@hhh what time mark? (I don't want to listen to the whole thing)

hhh

@Mitch 4min 43 seconds, it is in the url

KitFox

@Mitch Train set.

Mitch

@KitFox then nobody would ever talk if they had to know what -you- think the word is supposed to mean.

Cerberus

> train set that he bought

hhh

13:24

What is that?

gym or something else?

Cerberus

A set of trains: a number of toy trains with accessories.

Mitch

> According to Gates, Buffett is now quite adept at web-browsing

Cerberus

@Mitch Seriously?

hhh

@Cerberus that is funny

Mitch

@Cerberus In the comments to the youtube video

Cerberus

13:25

I suppose...

KitFox

@Mitch That's not what I mean. If I don't understand gravity, then what's the point of asking if there is gravity on the moon?

Cerberus

@Mitch Haha.

KitFox

@hhh Is it? We have two or three or so train sets.

Cerberus

The title of another video:

hhh

I cannot understand why he says it like [trein sentity], not like [trein sets]

Cerberus

13:26

> Warren Buffet: the Book that Changed My Life

How naïve do you have to be to have a book change your life?

KitFox

@hhh train set that he...uh, played with when he was young.

Cerberus

@hhh Train set that he

Trainseddaddy...

Mitch

@KitFox the point of asking if there is gravity on the moon -is- trying to figure out what gravity means.

hhh

@Cerberus I see -- the intonation is very interwoven, now understood.

Mitch

@Cerberus depends on how many books you've read.

Cerberus

13:29

@hhh Yeah, and North Americans usually pronounce t between vowels like d or something else.

@Mitch Well, exactly.

KitFox

@Mitch Then ask that.

Mitch

lots of religions rely on one book. and that can really change your life.

Cerberus

I bet it was a self-help book.

@Mitch The same holds there.

Mitch

@KitFox But they did. "Is there gravity on the moon?" is trying to discover how gravity acts.

KitFox

sighs OK, let's just leave it. I don't care enough to argue about it.

Mitch

13:31

I mean really...have you been to the moon lately? Also, the moon has little relevance to our lives...what phase is it in right now?

@KitFox Dude, come on, I'm trying to avoid work!

You're not helping by giving up!

Also, I was winning.

KitFox

Waning crescent. And you only think you were winning.

Cerberus

If you live close to the sea, the moon may be important.

It can cause spring tides.

Mitch

@Cerberus Sure, sure, sure, our cell phone's GPS relies on realtivistic equations to get the position right, but that doesn't mean we have to understand or even come close to knowing of the existence of those ideas.

Cerberus

@Mitch Perhaps not "we" personally.

Mitch

@KitFox OK then...your choice...back to 'poop'?

@Cerberus right...somebody should probably know about it. but, we were discussing individual stupidity.

Cerberus

13:39

I see.

RegDwighт

Cambridge criminal-law exam question time!

Cerberus

@RegDwighт Umm those law people are insane.

But funny.

Mitch

@Cerberus where is that?

Cerberus

Near Eilenburg in Germany.

Reg, are you high and dry?

RegDwighт

I am totally high.

Cerberus

13:52

Interesting.

RegDwighт

I have no idea what the hell is going on there and why.

Cerberus

We don't have any water problems either.

RegDwighт

It's dry as hell here, and sunny, too.

Cerberus

Lots of rain and swelling rivers in central Europe.

RegDwighт

Unlike in 2002, these floods come as a complete surprise to me. And everyone else, for all I know.

Cerberus

13:53

Maybe watch the news sometime.

RegDwighт

Well, people did.

There was no news.

It's out of nowhere.

And unlike East Germany, we had lots of rain here in the last weeks, and then even some river swelling, but for like one day and completely within borders.

KitFox

@RegDwighт Ooh, felony murder.

RegDwighт

It used to be that we had a flood every year. In the nineties. Now I don't even remember when I last saw a puddle.

In East Germany, it's like the other way round.

They seem to get Jahrhundertfluten every couple years.

Cerberus

@RegDwighт But it's been going on for days! How come I knew, then?

RegDwighт

@Cerberus I mean before that, silly.

One day there was not a single drop of water anywhere, the next day dozens of cities were completely underwater.

Cerberus

13:58

Right, well, such things can happens fairly quickly.

Now you're exaggerating.

RegDwighт

If I am exaggerating, then so are the news.

Remember that I am actually talking about the news situation.

I watch the evening news every day.

Cerberus

It took a few days for Passau to drown.

And the wat isn't that high: maybe a metre?

RegDwighт

It took the news exactly that many days to reach a TV station.

xcx

what is the best word for a product costing a lot for nothing (in french 'arnaque') rip off? / swindling / scam ?

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