I mean physical stimulation can be enough to arouse people.

I can't believe you are contesting that.

@Cerberus I'm pretty sure some people are not turned on by simple physical stimulation.

Then I do not know what you mean by gay and straight.

@Cerberus "can be" is not "is".

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Under the right circumstances?

If you (can) get off with members of your own sex, you’re gay, and if not, you’re straight, right?

You can say it the other way if you’d like.

That’s the cultural construct I’m most familiar with.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, sure. There isn't a situation where you are 100 % certain to be aroused. And being touched by the wrong sex is no doubt less arousing than by the right sex. But it is still very well possible.

I certainly don’t remember any straight-boy fumblings when I was a lad.

@tchrist What are you if you can get off with a sex toy?

@tchrist I think it depends. What Cerb is saying is that it's possible to "get off" without there being too much attraction beforehand. Like prison sex != gay.

Yeah.

@Cerberus A cheap date.

I find the idea that anyone would attempt to classify other human beings as “mere” asexual sex-toys highly repugnant.

I know tons of gay guys who used to have sex with girlfriends because you were "supposed" to do that and otherwise it would be weird. And they were (usually) able to. But they would never do it again voluntarily after coming out of the closet.

hmms

@tchrist I mean seriously?

@Cerberus Of course: all my punchlines are seriously delivered.

@Cerberus I wonder whether the opposite ever happens?

I am just pointing out a weak spot in your model "you are what you have sex with".

I’m talking about humans.

You may leave sheep and ponies and lettuces and baseball bats out of the picture: they are immaterial.

@tchrist As I said, yes, especially teenage boys jerk each other off because sex is exciting either way, and they want to experiment, and a warm hand that moves of its own accord is better than a mechanical sex toy. And girls are not available / too scary to approach.

> I know tons of straight guys who used to have sex with boyfriends because you were "supposed" to do that and otherwise it would be weird. And they were (usually) able to. But they would never do it again voluntarily after going into of the closet.

@Cerberus But let's say you're using a sex toy by yourself. Do you not typically at least think of a sexual partner? I mean, if you're looking at porn, you're being aroused by the notion of sex with the person in the photo.

Somehow that doesn’t seem plausible. Why not?

@tchrist The "supposed to" part obviously does not apply. The rest is what I said.

@Cerberus That seems like gay behaviour to me.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Sure sounds like to to me.

A guy who sees , eg, a goat, as a sex toy and humps it is different from a guy who fantasizes about goats.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You may think of a sexual partner, sure. And people do that all the time when having sex with the wrong gender.

That's classic, the gay boyfriend who imagines Brad Pitt while having sex with his girlfriend.

Does that work, even? Weird.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Gay boys are probably more likely to do that, but from what I hear straight boys do it too.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't think those straight boys fantasised about boys! They fantasised about girls while being jerked off by a boy.

@Cerberus So in that case he's performing a straight activity but is only able to do it because he's imagining it as a gay activity. that doesn't make him bi or straight, just because he is mechanically capable of doing it.

They watch straight porn together, talk about girls, then jerk each other off.

So complicated.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Exactly.

@Cerberus Hearsay, or experience?

@tchrist another bad edit! it was better the first time.

I have never done it myself.

Hearsay then.

My friend knows this Italian gay guy who used to give all the straight guys in his village blow jobs.

Nice guy.

@Cerberus But I think in the case of the boys jerking, it is not so simple to define. The notion of one of my male friends grabbing my dick while I'm watching porn is definitely a turn-off.

The gay guy found it arousing, and the straight guys just enjoyed the blow jobs and didn't think the physical stimulus made them gay in any way.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Same here!

@Cerberus He was just testing them for gayness. You can tell by the flavor. :)

@Cerberus more or less of a turn-off than if a female friend did it?

@tchrist what does... oh wait, got it. nm.

So I think this works better for some people than others, and better in certain situations than other (pubescent boys are perhaps the most likely group).

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I...don't know, both would be huge turn-offs if it were a friend.

@MετάEd If you say so...

I think perhaps the best criterion we have so far come up with is this:

If you are aroused by imagining female bodies, you are to some degree straight (so straight or bi).

The only complicating factor is that imagining sex, of any kind, can also be arousing.

@MετάEd Oddly enough, you’re right.

I'm sure many people will find the thought of "ohhh when I get home, I'm going to try my new sex toy" mildly arousing. I mean, people can even be aroused out of nothing!

@Cerberus perhaps they're auto-sexual.

> Macho Types Wanted: Must Dance And Have A Moustache.

from an ad, recruiting for the Village People.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't think so! I rather think everybody is autosexual in addition to interpersonal preferences.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Haha, very macho.

> 'Xiaomi Mi-3 heeft Android 5.0 en Snapdragon 800-soc'

We'll see...

And I bet some people are telephonosexual.

Tell me that doesn't turn you on.

@Cerberus The non-stock firmware is a turn-off :p

my friend just got a Nexus 10. I'm going to play with it tomorrow. Does that mean I'm gay?

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hehe but it's all pink and fluffy! As a straight man, this femininity should attract you!

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't know, is a Nexus male?

@Cerberus I dunno, but my friend is male. I'm going to play with his gadget. Stroke my fingers over its hard surface. Gaze at it longingly. That sort of thing.

Eww.

Don't tell him that.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Only if it’s a muscle-car.

I suddenly realize I have an errand to run.

Okay, I need to buy food before 10 pm.

Wash your hands.

Funny time.

Our stores either close at 9 in winter and 10 in summer, or not at all.

@Cerberus I think I could probably tell him that and he'd just laugh.

Must be summer.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Heh, try it. And don't forget to gaze into his eyes while you reach down.

@Cerberus The one complication is that this will be at a company meeting.

Bad company corrupts good morals.

Under-the-table action is hawt!

@Cerberus how about under-the-tablet? It's a Nexus 10,after all.

There ya go!

Good morels for ya.

Aren’t they exciting?

I think I'd rather be amorel

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Haha yes!

@tchrist Gross.

@Cerberus Why, are you an anti-fungal agent of some sort?

Those are good morels, dude.

God, fungi are gross enough as they are. And these things look even more disgusting than the average mushroom.

@tchrist Yes.

I hate mushrooms.

They aren’t mushrooms, silly.

Try again.

I knew you had a growth opportunity there.

We’ll make HELP WANTED posters for you: only expert mushroom-hunters need apply.

@tchrist must be macho and have a mushroom-stache

I do like the classical red kind. Though only from a distance.

With white spots.

Fly agaric?

That’s Amanita muscaria. Don’t eat it.

Yes.

I know.

I'm not a fly.

But are you an amanito?

There are safer ways to trip.

Do I look like one? Do I have only one head?

Ah, enanitos then.

This is where flying reindeer come from, you know.

Eat the fly agaric, trip heavily.

Okay, shopping time!

Here people only eat silly cybin ones. Rather safer, I gather.

well, I'm off. It's dinner time: homemade bread to go with homemade soup.

bye!

Back.

Front.

"Clean happy" is as bad as "Enjoy better".

@Cerberus Does that have any physical buttons other than power?

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I have no idea! Looks like it doesn't?

sighs, waves goodbye to physical buttons forever

Look at this beauty.

sighs again, buries chat

You can bury that phone and drop it into several feet of water.

You could strap it to an ostrich.

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Haha wtf is that!

Water-resistance is good.

But how about breaking the glass?

@Cerberus You could do that too.

@MετάEd You think so?

I'm not so sure.

@Cerberus He's just not trying.

I seriously wonder how this is possible btw.

I can't believe the glass would really be able to withstand that impact.

But he doesn't seem to be e.g. hitting the nail with the plastic of something.

What do you think?