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Szabolcs

02:29

Can anyone tell me what this kind of women's top is called in English?

Do these sleeveless ones have any special name, other than "top"?

Cerberus

03:08

@Szabolcs Tank top.

tchrist

03:20

Ayup.

Cerberus

03:38

I was the victim of a surprise party tonight.

It was fun.

livresque

@Szabolcs Good evening! The picture looks like a particular kind of tank top that I would call a "halter" because it looks like the straps have a racer-back.

Cerberus

A halter top, right.

livresque

I was a little worried that this could be a case of guys asking a question about a girl thing and the only responses came from other guys.

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Cerberus

Hehe.

And you are...?

livresque

(--Frank Butler: How do you sing that high? --Annie Oakley: I'm a girl!)

(Anything You Can Do)

Cerberus

03:43

So you're a girl?

livresque

I'm a lady.

Cerberus

Cool.

livresque

Well, I'm a bitch.

Cerberus

Ladies > girls.

livresque

Bitches > honest than girls.

Maybe it's just because I have that thinking disease, but part of the condition is refusing treatment for the condition,

@Cerberus, intelligo bene isne puer?

Quam Cerberus, -i?

?Cerbri and ?Ceberè, neither rings like similar syllabic trends in the vocative. worried about paradigms in memory

Repetitio mater memoriae, right?

The thief of time

04:01

Forma vera vocativa Cerby est.

Cerberus

04:14

@Thethiefoftime Haha!

@livresque Verum est, canis masculinus sum.

Vocativus est Cerbere.

livresque

Y? Non potestne? "Y" = barbarbar @Thethiefoftime

Cerberus

Forma iocosa est.

livresque

@Thethiefoftime click Mea maxima maxima culpa...mihi licet dormire breve tempora atque necesse est!

Cerberus

Numquid dormias?

livresque

EST

Cerberus

04:23

Commendo ut dormiscas.

livresque

Etam laborare breve tempora necesse sed non posso dormire. Gratias tibi ago, @Cerberus, volo

Cerberus

Sic vita.

livresque

On dit que vouloir c'est pouvoir, which is a nice thought, but it turns out I'm not special.

Cerberus

Numquam recipimus quod meremur.

livresque

Sic semper Cerberus?

[Search engine query state motto of the Commonwealth of Virginia]

Cerberus

04:31

Hmm what motto?

@livresque It is a nice fairytale.

livresque

[search engine...]

I hate to teach a dog how to fish. Sic semper tyrannus. @Cerberus

Cerberus

I...have no idea what you're talking about.

Nescio de quo loqueris.

livresque

There's a parable about teaching a man to fish as opposed to giving him a fish to eat.

And the state motto of the Commonwealth of VA is Sic semper Tyrannus with Virtus depicted on the state flag.

Cerberus

@livresque I know that...but I have no idea what I am supposed to fish for.

@livresque Okay...

Nescio quid fecerim ut merear de isto titulo.

livresque

My addled thinking was trying to suggest you might research it if so inclined as opposed to hearing it from me.

Cerberus

04:40

Hmm.

livresque

Intelligo in lingua vulgare, "Thus always to tyrants," but I think you might see the same problem I do in that translation.

Until it turns out the be 4th declension AGAIN.

Cerberus

Sic faciam quando illic inclinavero.

MετάEd

Are we exchanging Latin mottos?

livresque

Ita vero.

Cerberus

It just means "so always a Tyrant".

Could mean anything.

MετάEd

04:42

Semper ubi sub ubi.

But besides that I have:

lapsus calami

Cerberus

I wasn't exchanging motti.

livresque

Hmm... wait @MετάEd I love both of those.

MετάEd

Hic labor, hoc opus est.

Cerberus

This is labour, that is (a) work?

MετάEd

Facilis descensus Averni;
Noctes atque dies patet atri janua Ditis;
Sed revocare gradum, superasque evadere ad auras,
Hoc opus, hic labor est.

livresque

04:46

But @Cerberus, it is intended to mean that Virtus will always step on the asp that is a tyrant, and forever thus it shall be.

Cerberus

@MετάEd Ah, clarum est.

MετάEd

per gradus ad ima

Cerberus

@livresque Ah OK, "so a tyrant will always end up"?

@MετάEd Is that book VI or so of the Aeneis?

I could Google it, but...meh.

I know those lines.

livresque

@Cerberus, not the "so" sense of sic, but the "such/thus," also not ergo.

MετάEd

"the gentler Tortures are to be first used unto him et sic per gradus ad ima tenditur"

Cerberus

04:49

And they are hexametric.

@livresque Uhh...

MετάEd

@Cerberus Book VI, line 126

Cerberus

Ah OK.

Glad I remembered.

MετάEd

Tibi ipsi, non mihi.

De mortuis nil nisi bonum.

livresque

Culpa maxima maxima mea @Cerberus, "sic semper tyrannus" intellegendo est allinquanto in lingua moderna...it has to be semantic reduction.

Cerberus

It sort of made sense to me, but then I didn't understand what you were saying about sic.

livresque

05:02

The English language was permanently introduced to North America in Virginia in 1607, so it had been a while since the last native speaker of Latin other than Montaigne had made any sense.

MετάEd

"Ponder the aweful Hippopotamos"

Cerberus

Lingua Latina non tam difficilis est.

livresque

Ah, I just wasn't sure if you may have been thinking of "so," the conjunction.

Ita vero, ecce !

Cerberus

Utinam omnes semper Latine loqueremus!

livresque

MDR I say that ALL THE TIME.

Cerberus

05:05

Quod gaudium! Quae laetitia!

MετάEd

Rotarum timent strepitus et magis ignes, et cum timeantur ab omnibus, gallum timent album.

Cuius genus tripharium dicitur.

livresque

Heee

@MετάEd, please tell me you're on the LATINTEACH listserv.

WMD

@livresque Permanently? That's a bit optimistic.

livresque

@Thethiefoftime, the introduction itself was permanent, non?

WMD

How would it differ from a temporary introduction?

Is that when you forget someone's name immediately after shaking their hand?

MετάEd

05:11

@livresque Ha!

Who was it said "anything well said was said by me".

WMD

I don't know, but I presume they did it well.

livresque

I always thought he or she did it well.

Epitorial

The real revolution.

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livresque

@Epitorial, talk about ninja editing.

MετάEd

I thought that looked like Krishnamurti.

Epitorial

05:14

Yeah.

MετάEd

He was a bit of a prick.

livresque

I hear you can end up under house arrest in such cases; Pol Pot died under house arrest.

@Cerberus, where have you had the great fortune to practice your conversational Latin?

WMD

Yeah, Cerby, where are you hiding your time machine?

MετάEd

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A: Why is "hard water" and "soft water" so called?

Hard water contains >160ppm of minerals (typically calcium compounds) and actually feels harder when drunk than soft water does (<160ppm). The earliest use in OED below would seem to support that origin rather than it being "hard" to form a lather. 14. a. Applied to water holding in soluti...

I know what he means by "actually feels harder when drunk".

WMD

I find most things harder when drunk.

livresque

05:22

The VA DOE offers a three week "Latin Academy" partial immersion program to rising HS seniors, for example, which is a fantastic place to work.

WMD

Virginia Department of Education?

livresque

Yessir.

WMD

Sir?

livresque

Kyrie eleison, I'm still talking like I'm at work.

WMD

"Kyrie" is worse than "Sir".

livresque

05:25

Hmm in what context?

WMD

I must away. Bye all.

livresque

I don't even know which thread to follow, as they say.

MετάEd

@livresque The one Ariadne gave you, obviously.

livresque

Something about an aria, ne, that was out of my range

Said the spider to the fly?

Split the difference?

livresque

05:50

@MετάEd, gratias tibi ago de your punctuation of y'all. How can we spread the word to promote this as opposed to *ya'll? Incidentally, God blessed Texas with his own hands, eh?

MετάEd

@livresque I think there is no hope at all.

livresque

I share that concern. My father speaks a mix of FFNC and FFVA English and refuses to spell the pronoun. He uses it regularly in speech but insists that it is not a written word, and in written correspondence always writes "you all" instead.

Cerberus

@livresque Didici linguam Latina in schola et universitate. Ubi tu?

livresque

Ibid.

Cerberus

@WMD Ebrius sum, sed Latine loqui semper possum!

livresque

05:58

Semper est facile tantoquando, eh?

Cerberus

@WMD O, tu! Nunc novi quis sis. Praesentia tua egui.

livresque

Arbiter bibende esne?

Cerberus

@livresque Tantoquando?

livresque

Would you use something like the French allinquant?

Ffff, disculpa, my Italian keeps activating.

Cerberus

Nescio.

livresque

06:02

Cur?

Cerberus

At tempus somnii advenit.

livresque

MINCE ita vero sic semper.

Cerberus

Spero vesperum tuum bonum esse.

Mince?

Vale!

livresque

Sorry, mince = less offensive word for merde in French as an interjection.

Gratias tibi ago.

Vale et in terra pax ominbus @Cerberus

Cerberus

Pax omnibus!

WMD

10:32

@Cerberus Ego quoque praesentia tibi egui. Excusabo occultationem identitatis mihi, sed causu novisti.

tchrist

14:43

Guess what unexecrate means without looking it up.

Execrable text is not necessarily excrescent text.

Cerberus

@WMD Verum'st, novi. Spero autem terrorem orientis eam ignorare?

tchrist

Execrate has to do with curses. So execrable text is cursèdly bad text, and unexecrating it would mean casting out its daemons. I think. Maybe that is just execrating it.

Cerberus

@tchrist grumbles

tchrist

Is unexecrate redundant? I don’t know.

Cerberus

Why attach un- to a Latin verb that already has a prefix?

tchrist

14:48

That is what I am wondering.

Novice

"His IQ is 136, and he can count to 200 and name every country in the world."

Cerberus

It is like uninstall: an ugly modernism at best.

tchrist

Reminds me of ex- + sacred.

Novice

If only it were so easy.

Cerberus

@Novice Count to 200?? Wow.

@tchrist I believe that is correct.

@Novice Aww he's 3!

Novice

14:50

@Cerberus Yeah, it's a huge number! But in that case, I can count till googolplex. Why the fuck am I not the highest IQ in the world? :-P

tchrist

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There versions of that with better resolution; sorry.

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That is better.

Robusto

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Novice

@tchrist Mickey missed Maldives.

Robusto

@Cerberus Yes. Much simpler just to say stall, no?

tchrist

@Novice That’s not Mickey! It’s Wacko!

Cerberus

14:54

@Novice You win!

Your IQ is infinite.

Novice

@tchrist Well, kids know better about it.

Cerberus

@Robusto Uninstall is a necessary evil, but an evil nonetheless. Unexecrate, however, does not seem necessary.

tchrist

@Novice Why? To steer clear of bad joints?

Robusto

@Cerberus I have never unexecrated anyone. I only execrate.

tchrist

destalls

Cerberus

14:56

You're so kind.

tchrist

forestalls

Cerberus

extolls the virtues of Robusto

Robusto

I see @tchrist likes playing footsie in the stalls.

tchrist

glares

Cerberus

The loo?

That's...unhygienic. And I say that as a European!

tchrist

14:57

It’s bad enough when people keep their kittylitter box in the john.

Robusto

Anyway, you could have saved yourself a letter, @Cerb: extols is better. Why? Well, it's one shorter, innit?

@tchrist Where else are you supposed to put it? The kitchen?

tchrist

In the jakes, of course.

The john is for company.

Robusto

Jakes, john, loo, WC ... same shit, different name.

tchrist

You can’t put it in the water closet. Kitties hate water.

Robusto

Let's gang up on @Kit and make her change her name back. Every time I read KittenCanoodle I fwow up a wittle.

Novice

15:00

Is Kit a she?

tchrist

Seconded.

Novice

Quite a news.

tchrist

Kitza she yeah.

Robusto

@Novice: Are you German?

Novice

@Robusto No.

tchrist

15:01

She’s a just a one step away from bein’ a chia-pet.

Robusto

Well, news is not a count noun. FYI.

tchrist

Germans think information is a count noun.

Cerberus

@Robusto Hmm, is one British and the other American?

tchrist

@Cerberus Yes.

All the -ll verbs are like that.

Robusto

@tchrist Oh, which reminds me. I want to bring out a line of Chia Presidents. You get to grow green "hair" on everyone from Washington to Obama. Eisenhower would be tough, but ...

Cerberus

15:02

Hey, don't gang up on Novice.

Novice

@Robusto thx.

@Cerberus why?

tchrist

@Robusto Didn’t they do that with Lincoln?

Robusto

@tchrist Gawd, are my absurdist notions coming true? I may have a keener sense of unreality than I thought.

Cerberus

@Novice I don't know?

Novice

@Cerberus Why do you not know?

Cerberus

15:04

Why do you ask?

Novice

@Cerberus Because you must know why you don't want people ganging up on me but you must.

Robusto

OPEN LETTER TO @KITTENCANOODLE Who are you and what have you done with our KitFox? We want her back! We will meet any reasonable ransom demands!

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Cerberus

@Novice What if I can only ask questions at the moment?

@Robusto How much is reasonable?

A million? Dollars? Euros? Kisses?

tchrist

@Cerberus Compare appalment, distilment, enrolment, enthralment, extolment, fulfilment, instalment, instilment vs appallment, distillment, enrollment, enthrallment, extollment, fulfillment, installment, instillment.

Robusto

@Cerberus Up to a dollar.

Novice

15:07

@Cerberus Then you proceed with asking rhetorical questions and making everyone feel like you are asking, when you really are not.

Robusto

That is reasonable.

Cerberus

@tchrist Never realised those were regional...so which is which?

tchrist

Sheila who?

@Cerberus We have double-L.

Cerberus

@Robusto Hmm you grade her awfully low.

@Novice Is it not fun?

Robusto

@Cerberus Don't ask how much I would pay to get you back.

Cerberus

15:08

@tchrist I see.

@Robusto Pah. Don't worry.

Novice

@Cerberus No.

Cerberus

Are you sure?

tchrist

@Cerberus Which is odd, because it is (often mischaracterized as) American to use a single-L in compounds. Actually, that is just in inflections, not compounds.

Robusto

Someone please star my open letter so that Kit sees it.

Thx.

Cerberus

Like which inflections?

I always struggle with single and double l's in fulfil.

tchrist

15:11

@Cerberus past

Cerberus

I think I was taught to write fewer l's.

tchrist

signal, level > signalled, levelled

install, extoll > installed, extolled

Cerberus

Yes, I write levelled.

Robusto

@Cerberus Go to L.

tchrist

skilful, skillful

Robusto

15:12

wilful

tchrist

skilled

Cerberus

As to extol and appal, my spelling checker clearly wants single l there, so that's probably what I do.

Robusto

@Cerberus You are a slave to your spellchecker.

Novice

@Robusto Cerberus shall only approach L as per the definition!

Cerberus

Yeah.

tchrist

15:13

@Cerberus Obedient today, aren’t you?

Cerberus

tchrist

shallful

Robusto

@Novice Now, now, this is not Math chat. There are no limits here.

Cerberus

tchrist

We’re illimitable.

Cerberus

15:14

I do what it says unless I know better.

Robusto

We are unbounded.

Novice

@Robusto Ah, I see what you attempted there.

Robusto

@Novice Attempted? Please. Accomplished, rather.

Novice

@Robusto My vocabularly has none limilts.

tchrist

Indeed, one might even say that we were illited.

Robusto

15:15

Limilts?

Novice

@Robusto Yes, my vocabularly and speling has no limilts. Hand me a dicktionary if you want.

tchrist

Too many liminaries here.

Robusto

No vice, eh? I doubt it.

Sudhir

Hi @tchrist

Robusto

I'd like it more if you folded it into a thousand pieces.

Novice

15:17

@Robusto You wouldn't like a small one, would you?

Robusto

a ... there, the first syllable in the dictionary. Have at it.

Sudhir

@Novice: Dictionary is an imperative tool for learning English.

tchrist

@Novice Of what use a small one?

Novice

@tchrist Being laughed at.

Robusto

I think you mean essential, not imperative.

tchrist

15:19

@Robusto readies his strep test

Novice

@Robusto WORD CHOICE HAS NO LIMITS! The Lord has spoken.

Sudhir

@Robusto:Both words means nearly same.

Robusto

@Sudhir Probably you mean mandatory. But essential and imperative are not even close to the same thing.

Anyway, this has been fun, but I must run errands. Ta.

Sudhir

@Robusto:google.co.in/…

@Robusto: I always admire your linguistic competence. No more complaints

@Robusto: Sorry

If you didn't liked it.

Novice

Hmm, can I please correct you in one thing you wrote, @Sudhir? :-)

Sudhir

15:27

Yeah! Ofcourse

Novice

@Sudhir OK, then correction #1: “Both words mean nearly the same.”

Sudhir

I always wonder if anyone could point out in my writing.

Novice

Correction #2: “If you didn't like it.”

Sudhir

Ya! I was about to edit it.

Novice

I am not a linguist, but I thought I might try to help. Thanks :-)

Sudhir

15:29

Ya sure. Being a non-native speaker of English, I always work on English to improve it.

@Novice Thanks. :)

Thanks @Novice

I love the person who points out my mistakes.

Novice

@Sudhir I feel very embarrassed now...

Sudhir

Why so?

Novice

Don't worry, you'd catch up!

Sudhir

@Novice: So you're native speaker of English?

Novice

@Sudhir No, I am not a native speaker. I belong to India.

It is evident that we are fellow countrymen from your name. :-)

Sudhir

15:34

Wow! I also belong to India.

After a long time, I found an Indian.

Novice

@Sudhir Is that so? You find them everywhere!

Sudhir

But barely I found in SE.

So you belong to which state?

Novice

@Sudhir Gurgaon, HR.

Sudhir

That's great!

Working in Company?

Novice

@Sudhir What are you talking about? I am just 13!

Sudhir

15:38

Oh!

I thought you're older.

Novice

@Sudhir Why?

Sudhir

In such small age you have a great competence in English.

That's great.

You're on Facebook?

Novice

Not really — I only enjoy Literature to an extent. I do not study it, nor do I plan to.

@Sudhir Yes.

Sudhir

Can we be friend there?

Novice

@Sudhir Sure! My first name is Parth and I share my last name with a young batsman who is said to be the next captain of India.

Sudhir

15:42

Kohli?

Novice

@Sudhir That is correct.

Sudhir

You're a smart boy.

Novice

@Sudhir I don't think so. :-)

Sudhir

But I'm unable to find you.

There are so many Parth Kohli there

Novice

@Sudhir What is your name?

Sudhir

15:46

I got it.

Bye

Have a good time.

tchrist

@Novice You cannot use “belong” in that way.

Novice

@tchrist I am pretty sure it is legitimate.

Otherwise if I am incorrect, you know your thing well. Thanks though!

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