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4:00 PM

Well, an OEM disc. oo'

Ah. "Systembuilder" was the name

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Q: Does a full, retail license of Windows 8 exist? (Not OEM, not upgrade)

Ever since the days of Windows 95, Microsoft has distinguished between an OEM license, an upgrade, and a full version. Here's the difference as I understand it: Upgrade license: Requires you to own a previous eligible version of Windows. Carried in stores. (Here's a Windows 7 Upgrade.) OEM l...

windows-8 licensing

There are two licences:

Upgrade
You must have a preexisting XP/Vista/7 licence/installation.

System Builder
Can be installed on a clean computer. Split into OEM and Personal Use.

So "System builder - personal use"

@JourneymanGeek i didnt have to use voice, i just hit the keypad

"Seeing as how Windows XP's lifetime is 10+ years, this isn't unreasonable at all." Yeah, right. ^^'

10+ years ^^'

@Ariane I work with a lot of non-native english speakers who struggle with those "-er" and "-est" things all the time

they also have trouble with verb tenses, especially passive voice and preterite

the general consensus is, most non-native speakers get those things wrong rather than actually doing them right, and they never learn the right way

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: made me do voice 3 times, then use a keybad

4:05 PM

I'm sure I'm terrible with Spanish too

BACK TO WORK cracks the whip on himself

@allqui Thanks for the link. You know what? The Microsoft technician (not a customer service person, a real technician) I spoke to for an hour did not know that. Insisted that it was either upgrade or strictly OEM.

I just correct my linkin in profile "open FOR new jobs" to "Open to new jobs" (Dutch. Open VOOR (for) een nieuwe baan

But that opens the question, why don't they sell system builder discs in normal store? Scares people away from Windows 8. "There are only upgrades, eek!"

I guess you need to ask that to the people selling it

As for English... It's very strange that non-native speakers would have trouble with verb tenses in English. It's by far the language with the most simple verb tenses that I know.

4:09 PM

@Ariane but a lot of irregulars

^

Well, there are a few confusing things. Lead. Meat mead (which ea? )

I got that one wrong fist time I ordered it

Quick! Memorize this!

List of English irregular verbs

This is a list of irregular verbs in the English language. The citation form (the infinitive) comes first (with a link to the Wiktionary article on the verb), together with the present tense forms when they are different, then the preterite or simple past, and finally the past participle. The right hand column notes whether they are weak or strong and whether they belong to a subclass, and links to discussions elsewhere. Typical irregularities in weak verbs are the assimilation of dentals (bended → bent) and vowel reduction (*keeped → kept). Some of these verbs are irregular in British or ...

It's what our poor children have to do @_@

Some .ca shops have it... amazon.ca/Windows-System-Builder-DVD-64-Bit/dp/B0094NY3R0/…

Ah, those. Yeah, I guess, but they feel very easy compared to the complexity of other languages. You get to know them rather fast.

@Tanner We do too.

4:10 PM

@Hennes the worst is "lay" and "lie"

Borrow and lend (same word in dutch)

Hire and let (same thing: huren/verhuren)

@Ariane Do the majority of people in Quebec speak English as well?

And Windows, am I the only one who thinks it's weird that those upgrade licenses exist? Sounds like overcomplicating stuff for no reason. It's the same software, since the installer allows to completely format/empty the drive, right? So I think upgrade should just be an option on the system builder disc, and the upgrade alone not exist.

@Ariane I think they just wanted to give a discount to existing customers... you don't want a discount? ):

I mean if you want to pad Ballmer's wallet with more money, by all means

@Ariane Tip of the iceberg: google.com/…

4:13 PM

@allqui I understand, but I think their goal should be to attract non-Windows users rather than keep them, or something, by offering the discount to everyone. I think.

@Ariane you mean make the "full" license the same price as the upgrade currently?

I wouldn't be opposed to that, heh

I still fail to see why anyone with win7 (and no touch screen) would want to upgrade to 8

@allqui Yes. I mean, the upgrade license is just the same as a full license, except that it's more of a pain in the butt, and that non-Windows users can't partake in it. Then why not just offer the discount to everyone and market the OS further?

@Tanner Almost everyone learn it at school. Except people who went to school ages ago. However, mostly, exams are easy and it's possible to end high school without being very functional in English. Use of English varies a lot by region. In mine, faraway and in the North, there are no anglophones, thus a large percentage of people have very poor to arguably below standard English. But in the southern part, more anglophones.

@Ariane this is the philosophy that Valve takes when selling games on Steam

they say that they make much more money (total revenue) when heavily discounting games, so you regularly see them go for 75% off

if Valve's philosophy were applied to Windows and Office, then Windows 8 Pro full license would be $19.99 (no upgrade restriction), and Office 2013 Professional full license would be $29.99 and get randomly discounted to $5.99 on weekend flash sales

And if there are stores where (illegally xD) the clerks won't greet you in French, and/or your neighbour speaks English, and/or you regularly handle anglophones and people from the rest of America in your job, well, English spreads.

@allqui That might be a bit much to ask of Microsoft, but the 39,99 $ discount until January 31 for everyone would've been much better than what they did. Which is still a better move than "get our new OS, only 350 $!"

4:18 PM

I thought the full license of Win8 Pro was only $69.99 or so?

@allqui Uhm no. Look on Newegg.ca. It's a bit over 100 I think

@Hennes you said the diagnostic board would have a 2 digit display, correct, I've come across a couple of 4 digit display boards

@Hennes I personally much prefer 8 to 7. Actually, I was not interested in doing Vista -> 7, and did not hesitate to jump on 8. Well, not going with 7 was mostly fear of the new large task bar, which I gradually got used to through occasionally using others' computers.

@Ariane either the Canadian dollar and the US dollar are very differently valued than they used to be (it used to almost be 1:1), or Newegg way overprices windows 8

Microsoft Store - Win8 Pro full for $69.99 USD

Google search to convert 1 USD to CAD = 1 CAD

@allqui That's surprising, because normally Newegg has excellent prices.

4:22 PM

Whoa, didn't know we were 1:1 now.

I just wish they had worked harder on 8. It looks patchy with pieces that feel very Windows 7-ish and don't fit. And, well, you heard about the many issues it has.

@Tanner We've been for years. Canadian dollar was even about 10-15 cents more than the US one a few years ago.

@allquixotic That's an upgrade.

@Ariane Oh, I noticed when it was higher.

Just didn't know it came back down to 1:1

@Tanner what? then why do the prices differ?

@allqui Indeed, it's an upgrade.

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I got burned by that during the Win 8 contest :P

4:24 PM

what the heck... so they don't give you any indication that it's an upgrade license?

other than that fine print

^_^ Isn't that awesome?

It's written. Just not in the title.

Co-worker got burned by that too. Thought he was buying full version.

ah, I see the difference: the $69.99 is a retail box; the $39.99 is download only

And lol, they don't eve nsell System Builder on their website? >.>

4:25 PM

here's what I did: I bought an upgrade license using the upgrade assistant program on Windows 7. The program queried my system, determined that I had a "Genuine" license of Windows 7 Ultimate, and used that as verification that I was allowed to purchase an upgrade license.

Also, there's so little difference between Windows 8 and Windows 8 Pro I wonder why they even do different editions.

I then obtained my Windows 8 Pro Upgrade license key, and did a clean install (deleting the partition) of Win8 Pro Upgrade without even entering my Win7 license key

@allqui Windows 8 ultimate exists? I thought Pro and Enterprise were pretty much "ultimate".

@Ariane I edited my chat line.

typo

Ah.

4:27 PM

[troll] Will there be a 'windows 9 pen ultimate for Arm x128'?

basically, once you complete the ordering process and you have a Windows 8 Pro Upgrade license key in your hot little hands, Microsoft doesn't care whether you wipe out your existing Windows installation during install time or whether you perform an in-place upgrade.

@allqui Which supports my point. Upgrade licenses are silly because they sell you the full software anyway, just with an additional keyhole on it.

I'm not sure why it isn't working in your case, but the slmgr trick did it for me. I agree that it shouldn't be necessary, but as far as Microsoft is concerned, you're entitled to install it "fresh" as soon as they verify that you have a valid Windows 7-or-earlier license key

@Ariane I did not even notice the size of the taskbar changed.

which is done at purchasing time now

4:29 PM

@Hennes WTF! It got twice larger. How could you? XD

as for the actual value of Windows 8, I find that graphics drivers are more reliable and faster on Windows 8, and the updated Serial ATA and USB system seems to result in faster disk performance. Windows Explorer copies files faster.

I installed Start8 and completely disabled Metro/Modern UI. I have been running it for several months and I never even see the start screen

I suspect it is because on XP I manually dragged it to a larger size, allowing two rows of programs to be displayed.

my Windows 8 Pro desktop with Start8 is, for all intents and purposes, the Windows 7 user interface, with improvements in the underpinnings of the OS (DirectX, WDDM, other drivers, etc.) to be faster and more stable

Also, Windows 8... It's obvious and sad they didn't think it out well for non-touchscreen PCs. Every Modern UI app, although beautiful, has limited functionality and is badly thought out for a mouse. You right click and a menu pops up on the bottom of the screen, which would be awesome to catch the buttons with one's thumb, but is zero practical for a mouse where you move across the screen all the time. A context menu where you clicked would be much better.

@Hennes Maybe.

Besides, it is not large in win7

4:31 PM

@Ariane I completely agree with you

I think that point is pretty much what everyone is saying

And you can't draw a rectangle to select many tiles on the start screen. I realise it's silly on a touch screen, but hey, this is not a touch screen.

the solution is don't use Modern UI

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Just one small bar at the bottom of one of the screens.

@Hennes Good grief. OLD SCHOOL, man. Win98-style UI. wow.

I think Windows 8 is a great design, and the Modern UI too. But it needs adjustments to fit right on a normal PC.

4:32 PM

/me claps

@Hennes It is large.

win98 style? Not on purpose.

Normally it would be just a bit over half that height

And gosh, such an ugly interface. It hurts to see it. :p

Just give me a solid colour background (regardless of OS)

And nice square corners, none of those ugly rounded things.

Windows 8 is very square and solid-coloured. :p

4:34 PM

Win7 had many anoying features which needed to be disabled before I could use it without cursing at it.

I'm happy Microsoft realised that only Mac users want to have small, round buttons.

E.g. open webpage. See add on the right side of it -> drag webpage partially of screeen to block those [moving] adds.

windows would then maximize it and I would curse

Hah. I never had a problem with that. My Web browser is almost always maximised.

I like to have several programs running. If I maximised them I like a dozen monitors

But yeah, half of windows users semi-always maximise, half use windows

@Hennes adblock

4:37 PM

Got that, and a few more

Addblock, flash block (I hate moving things on a webpage), request policy, better privacy, ...

@Ariane is French your native language?

ghostry

Lol. I'm quite a fan of maximised stuff. Less distracting to the eye. And I can zoom in so things are nice and large. I like to alt-tab. Only stuff I don,t maximise is stuff that's really for multitasking. Like Skype, in which I like to see my main task at the same time. And Windows Explorer.

@allquix Mhm.

Andrea Bocelli covered "La Vie en Rose" in virtual duet with Edith Piaf @_@ dunno what kind of music you're into but it is lovely

D'ya have a link?

4:40 PM

I know the lyrics' meaning only by rote memorization of a translation of the lyrics :P

umm... you might be able to find it on youtube? the album has only been out for two days, so it's not really around many places except Spotify and Amazon MP3 and iTunes

Mmh.

@Hennes what is that huge spreadsheet in your desktop image? @_@

I thought it was work at first glance but then it looks very much like a game

A game I am playing (ikariam)

ahhhh. yeah, "pirate fortress" tipped me off

I plan most of my turns a bit in advance

4:43 PM

I'm like, there's no way "pirate fortress" is part of any legitimate work context XD

I'm going to work that phrase into my next meeting with the customer

Gosh, is it really a game if you have to work so hard for it?

Heh, ever played empire?

wolfpackempire.com/infopages/History.html

@Hennes no but I've played several browser based turn based MMOs before

Now that one required planning.

i played... Earth 2169 or something like that

4:44 PM

ooh got a guru badge :D superuser.com/badges/18/guru?userid=71027

@allquix Aah. Nope, not my kind of music. I'm not a fan of music from the time when music had little to no rhythm.

I had lunch with a few good players. Once server setting were announced they would set up a copy. Plan turns and test-run their first dozen turns for optimal performance.

@HackToHell Grats :D

o/

Gosh. That's not even a game. That's what I hate the most. when a game has me think so hard I'm not having fun anymore.

4:46 PM

thinking hard is fun (for me, anyway)

in the shower this morning i got a fantastic idea for a new tool i need to develop for work

With daily updates (or even a few days for the first) turn it helps to plan well

it's going to involve JAXB and XML and SWT and POI

@HackToHell: @allquixotic: Grats :D

That's why I dropped out of strategy games. I'm just trying to have fun, but my opponent is putting awful amounts of thought into his turns, making the game stressful and annoying, because losing is fine, but losing overwhelmed is not.

Good thing @JourneymanGeek is not around :P

4:47 PM

Well, strategy games are fine if they're against an AI. Those aren't too cruel usually, so it's still possible to have fun.

RAM is above and below the CPU sockets (when installed), and it's only 10cm (3.9in) between the inner RAM slots on both sides. Given then the air flow should probably be from back to front or front to back, that leaves... 92mm fans?!

Except if you put it on hard mode and it starts planning turns ahead, which is a pain. D:

@Ariane they're cruel if they cheat, but if they play by the rules they usually suck

Well, I never beat Windows Vista's chess engine on any level other than 1. Past that it starts planning ahead, and planning ahead is not something I want to do when playing a game.

in early strategy games, there wasn't enough CPU power to make a reasonably smart AI, so they basically always cheated

4:50 PM

Capital at (0,0) with extra UW (uncompensated workers) for max gold mining, one sector for iron, rest depending on plan. Turn 2 iron to lcm and hcm (light and heavy contruction materials), build harbour to at least 60%, set harbour build prio, build library to at least 60% Turn three. Build education (use lcms in the library, spike it real high since you now how low population and edu/civ is easy. Build some frigates as scouts (using the harbour and LCM/hcm). Build oil mine.

Turn 4 explore with first two ships, make tech (with gold dust, oil and lcm, Need sufficient edu level), Start enlistment center to crew newest ships, build more ships (even if they will not be ready next turn, but they will start to gather mobility).....

Quite predictable openings.

in Command & Conquer: Red Alert, I remember getting bum rushed by a hundred infantry and engineers would capture and sell my buildings, LOL

When I'm sniping from a hallway in TF2 I already know I will be pyro when they approach the hallway because the hallway is small and after that I will be an engineer to cover the hallway from the other side with my sentry in a spot that's tricky for spies to get into. :D

yay tf2

Unless I'm bored with any of these classes, then a different plan falls together!

@allquixotic Aye. And this is a game from 1980's

4:50 PM

tf2 is the fastest game I have ever played

Set up a game with a 100 players on 1980's hardware. Run massive turn based update...... LLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAGGGGGG

Yeah, you really need to pay attention or the game can turn around.

@TomWijsman spy spiral!

voice chat ftw

If for example a payload car is near the end, I just cloak with my spy to it, make sure I'm out of turret vision; troll the other team. :D

hi guys

4:52 PM

Everyone does that :D

@allquixotic One game yesterday, we had a team of 8 pyros. :D

@Ell Howdy.

@TomWijsman ahaha

i love making numerous teams of 2 heavy-med, they are great for capping... they may be able to stop 1 or 2 ubers, but definitely not 3+

My internet broke after I switched isp * router :/ Sort of. Most of my devices work, but my computer doesn't worked wired and half works wireless - I am confused!

@Ell then don't switch isp * router :) (sorry, natural lazy tech support instinct kicking in; I will help properly now)

4:54 PM

heh :P

and oops I meant &

I can't think of why it won't work :(

"it breaks when I do X!" --> "then don't do X!"

Say, does someone know if/how I can transfer my Start screen layout from my old Windows 8 installation still on another disc to my new installation? It would be nice.

Doctor, it hurts when I do this. :_

exactly how did you switch ISPs? from what to what?

from TalkTalk to BT. And I'm not sure how, my dad did it. All I did was plug in the new router to the power, plugged in the ethernet cables and set the wifi name & pass to the one it was before

4:57 PM

British Telecom? I'm assuming some kind of ADSL?

that is correct

I think :P that's where you put a filter into the phone line, right?

did a technician from BT ever come out and verify that it works?

the WiFi only half-working doesn't surprise me in the slightest; I've already ranted about WiFi 5 or 6 times in the past 48 hours and am not going to do so again. what really concerns me is you saying that ethernet doesn't work

A technician didn't come over no

and it's strange, the ethernet works on 2 of the computers

but not on this one (via wired)

that makes me think it's a problem with this computer, or the cable, or socket. I tested the cable though, and it's fine :/

hmm... my intuition is that one or more of the ethernet ports on the router are bad, which is common if it's a refurb, or rare (but possible) if it's brand new

Fixed IP on the one which does not work?

And DHCP onthe others?

5:00 PM

^good point, lemme check

@Hennes that shouldn't be the default setting anyway

and if it's a modem/router combo, it doesn't have a WAN port, so it's not like it's trying to use his computer as a WAN

although I suppose it could be DMZ'ing one of the ethernet ports. still no idea why that would be the default

Should not be default, but can explain why one computer does not work the same way. And it is easy to check.

I've had ethernet ports go bad on me before

cheap consumer routers are like light bulbs -- they are made cheaply and break often and need to be replaced

Oh wow, YouTube made "Uploads only" the default "Subscriptions" tab. Finally!

Two clicks to get to the subscriptions tab from the YouTube home page was a bit too much...

Hmm. How do I check if I am using dhcp or not?

hahah clippy

that is uber awesome

5:04 PM

@Ell is your box on the same subnet as the other hosts that have access? is your nameserver the same?

I'm sorry I don't know what a subnet is :S

Windows?

run cmd.exe, then ipconfig /all

dual boot win7/linux mint

but yeah

just compare the results of ipconfig /all for your ethernet interface on a computer that works and the one that doesn't, while both are connected to ethernet

the subnet mask should be the same (it's probably 255.255.255.0) and the first N octets of the IP address should be the same, where N is the number of "255"s in the subnet mask

so if the subnet mask is 255.255.255.0 then the first three octets (e.g. 192.168.1) should be the same for both computers

if it's 255.0.0.0 then only the first octet should be the same (e.g. 192)

ipconfig /all also has a flag (over here at least) saying "DHCP enabled", and "Default Gateway" -- both should match on both computers

ditto for DNS Servers

my Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection has DHCP disabled

5:12 PM

@Ell windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Change-TCP-IP-settings

make sure it's set to "Obtain IP address automatically"

hmmm. Network cable is unplugged apparently o.O

@Ell Make sure that's Local Area Connection and not something else

You should have a few adapters

I have local area, vbox and wireless (usb)

Try switching ports?

Aye.

5:15 PM

I'll try that

Try a known working port. If that does not work try a known working port and and known good cable

I think I already tried but I'll go again

@Hennes What he said lol

"Network cable is unplugged" indicates a physical layer problem: the cable, the NIC, or the port, on one or both sides

yeah

I was hoping it wouldn't be my network card

well, integrated one but yeah

5:17 PM

also make sure you're using a modern Cat5e cable and not some abomination crossover cable designed for non-auto-negotiating NICs from the 80s

I have a question about wiring cat5e cables

do you need to follow the correct pattern?

please define 'correct pattern'

as in - you have the brown strip * brown, orange & orange stripe

the standard pattern

@Ell did you terminate your own cat5e cables? is that it?

@allquixotic that isn't it, it's been working fine until the switch of router, I was just wondering

5:27 PM

@Ell cableorganizer.com/learning-center/how-to/…

Is the new router gigabit capable? (and was the old one max 100mbit?)

I'm not entirely sure, it's a bt homehub. I can google for you?

Also I just tried switching ports, didn't work. I'll try switching cables now (on the other end of the house)

or just get its model #

oh joy, BT homehub. Lots of versions. And just about the #1 in complains

I might just plug the old belkin in, that will still work, right?

I have the latest homehub, whichever that is

gonna try another cable now

5:40 PM

Okay, stupid question time! I have five DNS servers configured for my computer. For some reason it's jumping to the fourth on the list despite the first 3 being up. Why?

By the way, I'm really, really pissed off about this. ^_^

It explains a lot of BS that's been happening...

@Tanner maybe they were down and it blacklisted them and cached the result

if your connection to them is even a little spotty, or if they have uptime issues, the OS might figure that they're just no good and stop trying to use them because trying to use them involves waiting for a timeout, which would also frustrate you because you'd hang every HTTP request on "Looking up host...." for 30+ seconds

There shouldn't be any uptime problems. Not that I don't believe your answer, that sounds more than reasonable.

BLARGH

Any idea how I could clear the blacklist or check that's what's happening in Windows? =\

Or even how to Google it? haha

@allquixotic Also if you'd like some free rep: superuser.com/questions/544617/…

@Tanner don't know how to check, but ipconfig /flushdns should flush any decisions or DNS entries

Tried that... Was still hitting up the fourth one. =\

technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc959309.aspx

try ipconfig /displaycache

err /displaydns

5:54 PM

"What differs French from talking over the phone".

Yeah looking at that one... (new one for me =D Thanks) it's not showing anything about why it's asking the fourth server

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A: What are proxies? who stands behind them?

Original use of proxies Web-proxies are a tool for organisations to reduce bandwidth usage. When a browser tries to show you a web page it first needs to download it. If you quit the browser or go to a different web page and later return to the original web page it has to download it again. Thi...

@Tanner when you run nslookup does it give a result from the first server?

I got windows 7 with 3 DNS servers defined. For some reason it was rotating though the DNS servers (round robin?) rather than trying the primary server, falling back to secondary server if the primary failed to respond, etyc etc

is the first server even routable? have you verified it?

5:56 PM

@allquixotic Yes, but that's how it is for Windows anyway. Nslookup will go to the first one regardless.

@Hennes zomg are you serious?

:SLKJDBOINEIL:UR*#(P@JWEOQI:XALJ@#(OJ#@gt93

I'm switching to Linux. :(

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Aye. win7 ultimate. two working DNS servers. One which failed.

Fun to diagnose

Esp. when watching youtube which grabs different parts from different servers

@Tanner social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/winserverPN/thread/…

* pounds head on desk and nadmins the external dns servers off of dhcp *

haha did that get stickied?

a Microsoft employee answered

FLOWCHARTS technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/…

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exactly what you need Tanner

Wow. I'm going to chew on that for a while... Thanks.

"The DNS Client service keeps track of which servers answer name queries more quickly, and it moves servers up or down on the list based on how quickly they reply to name queries."

I hate you Windows. I hate you so much.

6:05 PM

@Tanner that is why, then

feel free to edit my answer with that -- just that one quote is fair use, but pasting the entire article isn't

Ah, so not round robin but time based.

that happens to be the answer, though

Yup.

Ridiculous.

and in my case: with an very slow ISP which sometimes was fast (say at night)

I never use any DNS server aside from 8.8.8.8, and I never even plug in a secondary nameserver

on everything: my phone, my server, my desktop, all of it

just plain old mooching from Google

I used to use OpenDNS but I like Google DNS better

(it's easier to remember)

6:07 PM

Hurrah for StackOverflow Careers! Just been contacted by an employer out headhunting!

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I used to use the uni' DNS servers (131.155.2.3 and 131.155.2.2.7 - still remembered off the top of my head)

Then I moved home. News ISP, dead slow DNS (as in, wait 3 seconds, try again, maybe get an answer, maybe not)

@GrahamWager Anything good?

@Tanner corporate training company in London looking to bring their development work in-house, so brand new team, and C# based which is my first love anyway :)

perfect timing too, seeing as I found out today I didn't get a promotion that I was after at my current place

anybody here got enough spare time to help me dig up a decent pci post diagnostic board I can order

@GrahamWager Nice.

6:17 PM

sorry my internet went down for a while

Hi again

I changed back to my old router, and still get network cable unplugged - that means it's the network card/cable right?

@Ell Most likely.

sweet, found a seller in canada for post cards, 2 day shipping sounds more like it

If you have a premade, known good cable. Just moved the router you are not using the the problem computer. No need to walk around.

PLug a cable in the local routes (no need to connect the router to anything else then the cable and to power), plug in a cable and see if you get a link

If you do then you know the NIC in the computer is probably fine

Hmm. The lights on the NIC that would usually flash aren't flashing :

6:34 PM

Mission critical hyperv box was set to DHCP (no reservation) and had the same screwed up DNS servers. ^______^ Yay for today.

and now that box has lost it's A record O_o

6:46 PM

@JourneymanGeek remember that idea we had last night about turning the temperature turn off in the bios and see what happens, I just checked, there is no "off" feature for it

could not-flashing lights be a useful indicator?

anybody know of good stores online to buy parts that may have a post diagnostic board

@Ell Depends on the LED. Uusally there are LEDs for either 1) Link detected. 2) Link speed (none/10/100/1000mbit) 3) Data transmit/receive

3) should not be happening

7:03 PM

Hmm I'm on my linux laptop now, connected via wifi

I can bridge the connection and it recognises a wired connection

but has no internet o.O

Okay now wireless -> wired bridge works

that rules out NIC doesn't it?

Uhm. Laptop with wireless and wired. Wireless to the router, wired cable between laptop and desktop? Or ... ?

router to laptop via wireless.
laptop to pc via wired

that makes me think it's either the cable to the wall plug, the wall plug, the cable from upstairs to downstairs inside the wall (oh god please please not this!) the wall plug downstairs or the cable from wall plug downstairs to router

7:18 PM

@Hennes We've hit a new result, after I checked a few things in the bios, I let the computer cool down (and rather quickly wit my window open) this time it started up normal as it would after about a second and a half when the hard drive would normally click in (It's disconnected) it just cut out with the power light still on

@Hennes did you ever run into this with your system

I really wish for a spare PSU (both in your and in my case) to test with

aye

I got a friend at work who ran a repair shop, I'll see if he's got a spare I can use to test with

but I feel as it's not the power supply that's the issue

if it is though, then yay we both know what to do

none the less I ordered a pci post diagnostic card anyways

7:48 PM

New user (no other rep on sites). No badges (not even for reading the FAQ) and a question like this. WTF?

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Q: A find the size of address bus

CPU and Memory has 16 bit address bus , and 16 bit data bus CPU and I/o 8 bit data bus and 16 bit address bus. where a word size 2 bytes in size how much addressable location are available for memory ? what is the size of each location? what is the max memory size in bytes? how large is the addre...

size address bus

Can we add a flag option "This post was written when the writer had used something" ?

8:26 PM

Something interesting to say the least

@Hennes Drugs and homework don't mix kiddies!

\o/

/me struggels with setting IFS to ~SE (yes, all line separated by a 3 char set). And i think I outsmarted myself into failure with that.

Oliver Salzburg

blogs.msdn.com/b/bharry/archive/2013/01/30/git-init-vs.aspx

Yay

Also `tail file' hmm, what are tails options ---> "man file". Not sure what I was thinking

8:45 PM

what was that you said about a flag option

@Hennes is there any way to see what's inside a temporary file

Open it in notepad and look at what is in it?

ok, stupid question

although a comment on the psu bit earlier, makes me think, if it is a psu issue, it could explain partly why the issue occurs when the system is cold and not warm, as heat is energy

@Hennes

Bad contact? Heat expands stuff

that to

or rather, energy causes it to expand

study chemistry for few years, learn how to apply it

although if the issue isn't the psu, isn't we should explore other options as well

@Hennes

Applying TNT... :)

The practical way to solve complex problems: Take part of it. Solve it (or see if it works)

8:54 PM

yeah no, I've seen a camera turn itself into molten plastic and a laptop and desktop actuallu light on fire in my time

Ideal situation: Get a fully working second PC

Insert graphical card -> No problems on the second PC? Card probably good

Repeat for each component

have multiple although 5 years of work is preferred to be fixed than tossed aside

oh

that solution still doesn't work that well for me

However, lacking all the stuff needed to build a second PC all we can do is test parts.

A PC should boot with its graphical card missing. So that is easy to test

However, no PSU is not an option

I have a few full functioning towers around, problem is there about 5-10 years older than my current one

and I can't really take all the parts out of this one to test, as a good portion is onboard

perhaps ill find a picture hold on

I got more or less the same problem. I can take out the graphical card (tried it, did not help), or the disk controller card. The rest is all on-board

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