The Comms Room

1:22 PM

@Chopper3 ditto, I've never blown anything.

Ditto.

It's too earlier

@HopelessN00b do you ever sleep dude?

ahh sleep. I could go for some of that right now

@RobM You and me both and I'm out tonight

me too, traditional pre-xmas curry and beer with mates

1:28 PM

Mm, currry

lovely stuff

You're not wrng

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Q: Flipping between databases

I have inherited a tomcat application running on RHEL that connects to a local postgres database. We have a total of 8 servers in multiple states running this. Each server actually has two different postgres databases on it. Each day we switch back and forth from one database to the other and ...

That cant be the best way, surely?

@Cole I try to sleep as often as possible, believe it or not. Think I picked the wrong career for a lot of restful nights, though.

@dan wha....

@Dan Can't imagine it being the best way, no... might help if he told us WTFH he's doing (or trying to do) with that... abomination.

Brent Pabst

1:38 PM

90% of problem in devops can able solve with one of 3 thing: 1) SSD 2) CDN 3) AWS

Tweeted by DEVOPS_BORAT on December 12, 2012 at 1:59 AM

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@RobM http://meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/5498/a-close-vote-is-not-a-super-downvote-please-dont-use-it-as-one

This is kind of what we've been talking about I think

@Dan Yup, the natives are close-happy. I only end up VTCing ~50% now in the close queue, and even some of those 50% are borderline.

@HopelessN00b Yeah, I think it's sort of over encourages

@dan you're not wrong. I actually find myself being a bit more careful what I VTC these days, as I know i've been trigger happy in the past. It's a fine line to walk though, each time a borderline OT question goes past you know someone will use "but that question was allowed" as a justification for stretching things a bit further next time.

@RobM Yeah, and I do we feel we are slightly different in that some of our FAQ is far more black and white than other sites

Like StackOverflow has an absolute huge scope, really - covering any kind of professional and amateur coding

1:53 PM

yeah. I've got less problems with being strict over things being OT and more problems with "DUMB QUESTION WHERE'S THE CLOSE BUTTON" (and like I say, I know I've been guilty of this myself)

Indeed, and I

And it is easy to be swept in with the flow

http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/5/7/95767037-6D75-42FE-AAD4-2BCA48150248/LifeCam3.60.exe

Is that a 404 for anyone else?

downloads for me

Oh, how big is it?

works for me too, 21.6 mb?

not very, about 20 or so meg I think it was

do you need a copy @dan?

1:56 PM

@RobM Please

@RobM You're a star, thanks

Dunno why I can't get to MS

any time, is it working?

Yep, yours is

then i'll remove the link

you're not in a school thats blocked downloads from microsoft? some do

Oh for fucks sake

Still can't install, because the fucking installer needs an internet connection and it's obviously pointing somewhere similar

@RobM Well, that's the odd thing - I'm at a company and I think it's just straight out access

ok then that's just plain old weird

1:59 PM

Ever just want something to work

Like, I'm not here to faff with drivers :D

today's not one of those days huh

Switched to 3G and it's working now. I fear it's going to install Windows Live Essentials

@RobM Well, it's Friday for a start :D

ahhh Fridays... aside from a certain song, there's nothing bad about Fridays

'morning

morning @MDMarra

2:03 PM

@RobM I take back my anger slightly - it gave me a checkbox option about Live Essentials and even checking for updates

ah

even if it was weird about getting there in the first place

Yeah, its working now

I hate webcams

I don't really understand video calling to be honest

Journeyman Geek

Its the future

video calling would be great on a phone. I'm not sold on it on a PC or even a laptop. If you're far away from family and friends and want to see them, then its better than nothing I suppose

@JourneymanGeek It's been next years big thing for like 20 years

Journeyman Geek

2:06 PM

just like flying cars ;p

Windows Live Essentials is one of my "worst software evar" list, behind RealPlayer, Quicktime, and iTunes.

I used to work in a school with a lot of boarding students from Europe and Asia and they used skype quite a lot.

Q: Why am I getting the message "You've failed too many recent review audits"?

I used to like Skype but then I found it was causing my PC to chug a fair bit

Journeyman Geek

I've been using hangouts the last few times I video chatted

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Today I clicked on Review and saw the message below. You've failed too many recent review audits - looks like you might need a break. Come back in in 7 days and try again. Why does this type of message appear? Is there any daily limit to viewing reviews on Stack Overflow?

support review faq-proposed review-audits review-suspension

YES YES YES!

nice

I really don't get the appeal of Skype. It's a god-awful IM client and an "average at best, and I'm being generous" video phone client

2:16 PM

So the SE mascot (yeah...) is called Bubbles.

@tombull89 Bubbles the Oracle

When I hear that name, I think of Bubbles DeVere from Little Britian.

@PeterGrace hooked me up with some swag a while ago (Thanks Pete!) and one of the things was a magic card Bubbles the Oracle

Q: iSCSIcli and setup selecting specific nic ip for connection to targets

2:32 PM

-1

The discussion related to using iSCSIcli as a tool to execute setup seems to have gone cold. I tried using the tool and was successful....or so i thought until I found that the relation between source nic and a specific connection was not static, fixed. after setting up I found that the souce n...

iscsi

Wait.... What?

@JourneymanGeek w00t, w00t.

growse

Anyone ever played with riemann?

(the software, not the dead mathematician)

@growse Oh, in that case, no.

growse

:(

looks to try and solve my 'summarize php exceptions to developers via email' problem

2:54 PM

@RobM - Skype is easy enough to use for most, has a cool name, and great marketing/word of mouth and is free (for the most part). That's the appeal. But I agree with your critique. Personally, I think video chat is still very awkward. Until they manage to put the camera dead center behind the screen somehow you still end up talking to people that aren't quite looking at you.

@RobM Completely agree; but it was there first, and it works enough that it gained critical momentum. I was hoping MS was killing it off, but instead their focusing on it more. =[

Updating firmware on an Equallogic. I feel dirty.

@growse I's the best sun screen I've evr used :)

@ChrisS they spent too much money on it to kill it @TheCleaner yes, that looks very odd... everyone focussing just above each other's head

@Cole My in-laws got Android phones over the weekend. So I set them up with all the stuff I've found over the last year that works really well. It's the same setup I've done for quite a few people now, and with a few tweaks here and there, everyone seems to like it. Well not my mother-in-law. She "got confused" by the digital clock with calendar and weather on the home screen. She wanted a 2x2 Analog Clock tile, with a 2x2 Yahoo Weather tile, and no date information. I still feel dirty.

2:58 PM

@cole if you feel dirty now just wait until it randomly decides not to boot from the upgraded controller. Or you get an email from equallogic support on monday saying "You know that firmware that we emailed you about saying 'FOR GOD'S SAKE upgrade to this right now?' well... 'FOR GOD'S SAKE don't upgrade to it!'". Good times.

Oh great. I haven't used an EQL in about 3 years. FML

LOL @ChrisS

Standing in the data center on my phone.

other than the problems I mentioned above, we have 3 and they've been pretty good. But god knows the problems 'mentioned above' are bad enough.

Anyone else becoming a fan of HP Networking gear? I haven't used their stuff in years but the demo and price points I've been seeing have my interested.

@TheCleaner we're wall-to-wall HP Procurve gear here.

about 30 switches, most of them 8212zl or 5412zl chassis switches

@TheCleaner I've got ProCurve switches (both home and work), and Colubris/ProCurve/HP (It's got all three names on the devices) Wireless. I love'm.

3:07 PM

We are considering their 5820X switches and some 5406zl's. They seem to be so much cheaper than the Cisco gear or even the Juniper gear we currently use.

we've been using 5406 and 5412 (same logic, bigger chassis) quite happily with 1gb, 10gb copper and 10gb fibre without any problems

ProCurve gear, from my experience, has similar CapEx and dramatically lower OpEx than Cisco. I haven't had the chance to play with Juniper ever.

The transferable warranty is a huge plus too; you can buy used gear and it's fully warrantied (with some odd exceptions here and there). Along that same vein, the 54xx switches are pretty popular and you can find refurbish (HP calls it "Renew") equipment around very cheap.

14.5k rep December is one of my best months ever.

nice job Tom...At first I thought you were saying you got 14.5k rep in December already alone. I was prepared to disable my account and walk away with my head hung low.

@TheCleaner haha. no

ewwhite

3:19 PM

@ChrisS HP Renew... I'm all for it.

@TheCleaner I have a new 5406zl sitting at home. IT needs a home

I know some people aren't allowed to buy "refurbished" equipment, but the stuff I've got all looks like new, works like new, warrantied like new, and costs half as much....

3:39 PM

Anyone here uses OMD with the check_mk frontend?

For some reason my VM I'm running nagios on gets like 0.5% packet loss, and nagios randomly reports my hosts as down when they aren't even though I set them to the "WAN" latency setting it comes with.

ewwhite

@ChrisS well, my vendor is presenting to my new company next week...

I mean, the gear is tested, has the same warranty and I've been happy with the cost.

I wonder how @goatmale's interview is going...

4:05 PM

heyy

good morning gents

I think i may have pissed someone off

someone at serverfault

@NickM. - @HopelessN00b does that daily

@NickM. it's easily done

@TheCleaner s/daily// ;)

-75 03:00 reversal Serial upvoting reversed

this is what i find today

dont even know what that means

Did you click someone's profile and upvote them a lot ?

You can upvote a person?

4:15 PM

@NickM. Nope, I upvoted you loads so you could put images into chat

looks like it triggered a recalc

i've never done that

It might be someone doing it to you

Yeah, there.

@NickM. It's not something you did. It's something someone else did

yes, me.

@TomO'Connor SO THIS IS ALL YOUR DOING.. how did i know it was someone from here who was responsible!

4:15 PM

If someone "serial upvotes" your content, it gets reversed. It's detected as voting fraud

Same thing with serial downvotes

I did it so you could post bewbs.

If they were downvotes, you would have gotten all of the rep back

@TomO'Connor looks like you will have to be a little less obvious next time.. but i appreciate you trying!

perhaps you should all get together and upvote me once a day

Yeah, we should game the system just for you :)

@gparent now we are talking

4:19 PM

@gparent @NickM. there are plenty of examples on how to do that around

I don't want to lol.

@gparent We have to find a moderator and pay him off

Man that was a long walk

@Cole please tell me it was not with your ex girlfriend

@NickM. no lol back from payroll

well, too and from payroll. You have to from one building across 3 others.

there's bridges in between

4:21 PM

@Cole As someone who has worked in IT for a company.. I know how dangerous it is to leave the premise of the IT department where you are safe

the second people see you.. for some reason they remember about all the stupid issues you never replied back to

by the time you get to the other end of the company you have an angry mob following you

@NickM. luckily no one really knows me yet...MWAHAHAHAH

@Cole its not too late for you then.. Make sure you create an Alias name that you reply to

and when someone sends you an email directly tell them you will forward it to your colleague who will take care of them and forward it to that account.

@NickM. I won't be here long enough for people to know me.

I've never worked with such unfriendly and unhelpful people in my life.

@TheCleaner I want to throw my HP networking gear through a fan, if that's what you mean... Fucking hate it. Hate it like a hate a luser who needs their account unlocked 3 times a day. It's cheaper, sure, but it's annoying as hell, and having to completely relearn a networking CLI does not make me a happy chappy.

4:42 PM

I hate dumb people.

@HopelessN00b - blasphemy! Kidding...I haven't used their gear in probably 5 years. We are a decent size Juniper and Extreme and Cisco shop. I agree with relearning syntax though.

@HopelessN00b The only problem I have with HP's CLI is that it's similar to Cisco, enough to make you think commands might be the same... then you get "syntax error" and remember you're not on a Cisco device.

That's certainly not a technical problem with the gear though --> PEBKAC

4:59 PM

Quiet today.

voretaq7

@ChrisS "We resemble but are legally distinct from the Lollipop Guild..."

I'm using REDHAT 6.x and I think something went wrong so I'd like to reset EVERYTHING and just redo it, how would one go about it?

Do I dare mention 'sysunconfig' :)

@Hennes I doubt that will reset the selinux like they want

:)

MikeyB

Ugh… web really feels like a tag that should be burninated (cc:@HopelessN00b)

voretaq7

5:06 PM

@MikeyB 250 questions - make it go away :)

MikeyB

@voretaq7 At least a synonym to www or something… maybe…

voretaq7

@MikeyB that's another tag that should probably die...

are they on the bad tags list?

@ChrisS I see it as a design flaw, honestly. Inventing your own standard when the guys with ~100% market share have a completely different one that everyone's used to.

@MikeyB Yeah, I know, but it is one of the top tags, and has no wiki whatsoever...

MikeyB

@HopelessN00b I liked the change, it just made me think 'ew… this tag exists?'

@MikeyB Yeah, take a stroll through the tags list sometime... I'm feeling a lot of that. files comes to mind immediately.

5:30 PM

@HopelessN00b Those guys with way less than 100% market share (though that's a common misconception) have copyrighted, trademarked, and patented their interface to the point where making a duplicate of it is asking to be sued off the planet. In fact, you're probably in violation of some corporate conspiracy laws for even thinking about making a duplicate.

Michael Hampton

@Hennes Leave "format and reinstall" behind...

@ChrisS Well, it was over 90% back in the day... but I hadn't considered that some corporation might copyright show run. Damn legal system.

5:48 PM

Also, for anyone not seriously considering Juniper and HP as contenders:

During the 2011 analyst call, Cisco's CEO John Chambers called out several competitors by name, including Juniper and HP.

A year and a half later, Cisco's stock price still hasn't recovered from that call.

I love my Juniper gear. It's great stuff. I just get frustrated when I call Sprint/AT&T/etc. with router issues and the first thing they ask is what kind of Cisco router I'm using.

Holy Crap this sucks!
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/14/shooting-reported-at-connecticut-elementary-school/

^Another school shooting. Newtown, Connecticut

Michael Hampton

6:04 PM

WTF.

@ChrisS I used to play in soccer tournaments there when I was little

@TheCleaner oh my god

That's so sad.

@TheCleaner Answer with 'My Cisco is a Dell 1234' ?

'Did you reboot? ' -> 'yes'

6:21 PM

Up to 18 children dead an 8 adults

6:33 PM

@Cole Just saw 19 kids and 9 adults.

@ChrisS so senseless.

/rage

I'm not normally an advocate of overreactive security measures; but I can't quite understand why schools still don't have at least one security guard (seems like 1 guard per ~500 kids would make sense). Or metal detector vestibules with auto-locking doors (I've seen some banks installing these recently)