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12:00 AM
@DavidCarlisle Enlightened requires one to be fast in answering. ;-)
OK. "Got to go"... It's already past midnight here. Take care everyone! Thanks for the info and congrats for the work @PauloCereda :)
@ricmarques Good night, buddy! :)
@PauloCereda Thanks! :) Bye (out!)
12:47 AM
@MarcoDaniel I would not link to Google groups, because it’s broken by design, but to the archive of the mailing list: ctan-ann, in this case to mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg05271.html (RSS-feed included).
1:42 AM
because why not?
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2:47 AM
From the reflection I can see that the satellites are not charging themselves. So it's probably a Cylon spy.
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4:42 AM
@DavidCarlisle Thanks, David. The posted solution works for me. I'll try your version too.
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7:59 AM
This looks like a non-answer to me but OP accepted it. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/86838/…
Well, OP just edited and posted code and figure.
@PauloCereda Was this drawn using TeX?
9:02 AM
@FaheemMitha No. :(
9:13 AM
@Gnintendo Is that Kim Jong-un or PSY? :)
9:33 AM
@PauloCereda I figured as much. Now that would be a challenging TikZ question.
@FaheemMitha @percusse has ported a few drawings of mine to pure TikZ. :)
9:46 AM
I have a short question. I've got a program variable name enclosed in \texttt, making it overflow the page. Is there a way to suggest linebreaks to latex, such as \- suggests hyphenation?
@HenningKlevjer try using url package, which contains algorithms for breaking a url among lines at strategic points, and perhaps it can be used with variables too
@JLDiaz good idea, thanks.
If I use hyperref and url, will these variable name-urls be clickable as valid urls?
@HenningKlevjer not sure, but you can prevent it if that is the case, because url package allows you to define url-like commands
@JLDiaz All right, I'll have a look. Thanks again!
:7255535 If you want to do it manually, `\linebreak[0]` is an option. For example: `\fbox{\parbox{1.5cm}{
9:56 AM
Yeah, but it will linebreak anyway, won't it?
Or only if it overflows?
@HenningKlevjer no, the [0] option makes it a weak suggestion
if you try the above example you can see it yourself
@JLDiaz ah, perfect! I'll go with that! However ugly ;)
or \def\sb{\linebreak[0]}
Thanks again!
10:11 AM
Hello guys
@HenningKlevjer Please come back! That chicken looks so cool in the sleigh! ;-)
@StephanLehmke LOL
@ℝaphink Hi! :)
hi @PauloCereda
10:28 AM
Hello! @DavidCarlisle you wanna tell me that I can mess up any improperly-nested-html-tag-made-webpage by putting the RTL utf8 code in some text?
@HenningKlevjer hyperref makes all
\url{} clickable by default, but I expect it can be suppressed.
Maybe selectively, I dunno.
@HenningKlevjer the two packages like each other ;)
@tohecz No I want to tell you that typically (although as seen on the right not always) browsers are much better at handling bidi text than TeX:-) Well not necessarily actually, arguably that is the correct display if you think of "14h ago" as being added at the end of the comment paragraph rather than as a following separate paragraph
@DavidCarlisle yes, as seen on the right, there's some HTML tag missing in the code ;)
@FaheemMitha \DeclareUrlCommand{\variable}{\urlstyle{tt}} and then \variable{foo_bar} ?
10:32 AM
@DavidCarlisle but wouldn't enclosing the post text in the <span> tag be sufficient?
@tohecz inline tags don't (normally) form bidi boundaries, you need paragraph level tags for that. aaa bbb ccc and aaa <<span>bbb</span> ccc should render in the same order the spab doesn't make it three bidi contexts (a p would)
@tohecz no
ok, didn't know
soon, we and with webpages containing more LTR chars than anything else, to prevent Davids Carlisles from doing nasty things.
@tohecz Otherwise every time you were writing a bit of arabic and used <span> or <tt> or something to change the font the word would ping over to the other side of the page
@tohecz Probably more people know how to do that because of xkcd than because of me, so how come I get the blame?
@DavidCarlisle but an Arabic webpage code could simply start by RTL just after the <body> couldn't they?
@tohecz But it's same thing some unicode characters (including most arabic ones) just automatically switch direction. I used a bidi override character which is essentially a zero width space but with a strong RTL property which also overrides the strong LTR property of the following latin characters, but you get essentially the same behaviour just using sensible characters from RTL scripts
10:38 AM
@DavidCarlisle it is always good to have someone to get all the blame, and you were .... democratically elected :p
@tohecz Oh democracy? Can't argue with that.
Guys, don't forget the interview with Ulrike today. :)
@PauloCereda it's in 1 1/4 hours, right?
@tohecz I believe it's 1PM UTC (11AM my time)
@PauloCereda ok, and it seems to be 10:50 UTC just now
10:49 AM
@tohecz Oh. I always get lost with timezones.
@StephanLehmke ha, say when
so if it's on 13:00 UTC, it's in 2 hours
11:06 AM
avatar now rides the sleigh! who's next, santa claus?
@HenningKlevjer Yay! Go chicken go! Anybody got a duck as avatar? We could make a poulrty sledge race :-)
@StephanLehmke I would find a duck avatar but my avatar gets changed every time I delete my email.
@StephanLehmke OMG YES.
@JLDiaz I thought hyperref would have an option of something.
To not make the url clickable.
@PauloCereda The interview is in this channel?
@FaheemMitha No, we have a special room for them: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/1728/textalk-interviews :)
11:29 AM
@FaheemMitha You mean other than the option of putting a % in front of \usepackage{hyperref} ?
@DavidCarlisle Yes
@DavidCarlisle I seem to recall looking for something like that in the hyperref documentation, but not finding anything. So maybe it is not there.
@PauloCereda Thanks
@FaheemMitha The draft option should disable links. AFAICS it is equivalent with the option nolinks. Then there is a NoHyper environment which should disable links within.
@StephanLehmke Ah, so there is an option. Great, thanks. I suck at reading documentation.
11:44 AM
@FaheemMitha I always only read the sources ;-)
@StephanLehmke Heiko's too? :P
@StephanLehmke heh
@egreg Why not? I'm maybe not a top-level programmer, but I'm really good at reading sources ;-)
Also I had a couple of intimate hours with hyperref when making TeXPower ;-)
@StephanLehmke I once tried to read xii.tex. I got traumatized.
12:03 PM
@PauloCereda beers.tex is far less traumatic. ;-)
@egreg Indeed. :)
@PauloCereda Uh. I forgot that @JosephWright has a duck as avatar! We just need a more sledge-friendly version...
@PauloCereda ah but can you sing the result?
@StephanLehmke :)
12:13 PM
@DavidCarlisle here:
!!/eightball Is Psmith here?
@PauloCereda xii.tex was surely not programmed the usual way, but is the result of several iterative "compression steps". So trying to read it from start to end you're not really following its genesis. So better trace than read ;-)
@StephanLehmke ooh! :)
1:00 PM

 TeXtalk - Interviews

Interviews for our community blog.
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4:10 PM
If the original question is not about tikz, but one of the answers uses tikz, should a tikz-pgf tag be added to the question?
in TeXtalk - Interviews, 1 min ago, by Ulrike Fischer
@PauloCereda: Yes ;-) I actually have a mostly finished update of chessfss written with expl3. There are quite a lot goodies in LaTeX3 (like e.g. the list handling) and the documentation is really good. One only has to get used to all the : and _ and the naming convention.
Q: What's the policy on retagging questions based on answers?

Roelof SpijkerI was wondering if a policy exists (and if so, what it is) for retagging questions once they have been answered. To illustrate what I mean, I recently answered Draw small cross at the center of the page. It is currently tagged as technical-drawing, perhaps the positioning tag would have been bet...

@JLDiaz In short: No.
@TorbjørnT. Thank you
4:54 PM
Can you believe it, they have a Wikipedia page dedicated to a number:
36 (thirty-six) is the natural number following 35 and preceding 37. In mathematics 36 is both the square of 6 and a triangular number, making it a square triangular number. It is the smallest square triangular number other than 1, and it is also the only triangular number other than 1 whose square root is also a triangular number. It is also a 13-gonal number. It is the smallest number n with exactly 8 solutions to the equation φ(x) = n. Being the smallest number with exactly 9 divisors, 36 is a highly composite number. Adding up some subsets of its divisors (e.g., 6, 12 ...
@Werner 36 is an odd choice: I'd expect three (what with it being the magic number)
__NOTOC__ 1729 is the natural number following 1728 and preceding 1730. 1729 is known as the Hardy–Ramanujan number after a famous anecdote of the British mathematician G. H. Hardy regarding a visit to the hospital to see the Indian mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujan. In Hardy's words: The two different ways are these: : 1729 = 13 + 123 = 93 + 103 The quotation is sometimes expressed using the term "positive cubes", since allowing negative perfect cubes (the cube of a negative integer) gives the smallest solution as 91 (which is a divisor of 1729): :91 = 63 + (−5)3 = 43 + 33 Of cours...
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6:06 PM
If I have a construct like \box23, can I find out if and what macro name it is assigned to?
6:41 PM
Rep is palindrome in basis 1000. :)
@StephanLehmke You don't, unless you find latex.log (or pdflatex.log) on your system, which tells you \@outputbox=\box23
7:03 PM
any miktex users recognise "pdflatex.exe: the GUI framework cannot be initialized; " ?
@DavidCarlisle I've seen it somewhere; maybe a TeXnicCenter problem
Q: How can I fix the error "GUI framework cannot be initialized" with TeXnicCenter and MiKTeX?

Zev ChonolesI don't know what I've done, but all of a sudden I am unable to compile any document which uses the geometry package. Minimal (non)-working example: \documentclass[11pt]{article} \usepackage{geometry} \begin{document} test \end{document} doesn't produce any output, and this is what I ...

ah do you want to post that or should I?
@DavidCarlisle I've added a comment
7:08 PM
thanks (good job I have your depth of windows experience to call on)
@DavidCarlisle: You're quite the sed wizz, right?
@Werner go on then I fear a regexp question coming
@DavidCarlisle My Windoze experience is next to zero. And I'm so happy about it! :)
@egreg You don't fool me.
@Werner ?
@DavidCarlisle From the log it appears that the OP is using MiKTeX 2.9.
7:16 PM
oh wow where have I been? the CTAN package site updated O.O
@egreg is that bad (I have no idea of miktex numbers, not being a windows expert like yourself)
Q: Who Wants to Win a LaTeX Book?

Marc van DongenI am organising a lottery and Springer have kindly agreed to donate a copy of LaTeX and Friends. Joseph Wright has kindly agreed to act a an independent witness/judge and he knows the winning number. <LEGAL STUFF> The lottery closes when the judges announce the winner. The judges decision...

@PauloCereda ooh I'm sure I'll win
@DavidCarlisle Sorry, I was sucked in somewhere else...
@DavidCarlisle C'mon David, add a valid entry. :)
7:29 PM
@DavidCarlisle: ...I'm trying to find a command-line driven way that I can extract something from one file and update it in another
I know I can use sed to find stuff in a file and replace it.
@PauloCereda Nah I'd only feel bad if I won the book and deprived some starving student of a freebie
@DavidCarlisle: But I'm not sure whether I can find something in a file, store it in a variable, and use that as the replacement contents for another file... all using sed.
@DavidCarlisle pleeease.
@Werner well you could use perl or for two files normally I'd do sed on first file to extract the replacement text and pipe it into a sed on the second to do the updates, depends a bit what kind of updates you need (and whether you need to do lots at one time)
@DavidCarlisle If sed can do it, I'll be interested in it... I'll give you my use case.
I create a large number of figures using LaTeX (mostly [`pstricks`](http://www.ctan.org/pkg/pstricks)), some of which show the progression of some modifications to an object. This progression adds/removed content from
the object, causing it's shape and size to change (from one image to the next). Including these images side-by-side causes them to shift horizontally/vertically since their bounding boxes are not similar.
If I can extract the bounding box from one file and insert it in another, that would be awesome.
So, for FileA.eps I have (say)
    Here is some text
    BoundingBox: 123 456 789 012
    HiresBoundingBox: 123.4567 456.7890 789.0123 012.3456
    Here is some more text
and for FileB.eps I have (say)
    Here is some text
    BoundingBox: 128 450 782 020
    HiresBoundingBox: 128.4567 450.7890 782.0123 020.3456
    Here is some more text
7:37 PM
@Werner Why do you need to use sed?
I want to extract the BoundingBox and HiresBoundingBox in FileB.eps and insert that in the correct spot in FileA.eps (say).
What's wrong with a regular scripting language, for example?
@FaheemMitha Since sed is the thing I've used for file editing from the command line before.
Sure, throw me something else if you can.
I was going to ask a question on Stack Overflow about this, if anyone's interested in gathering an answer...
The main requirement is that it should function from the command line; I'm using it in batch form under Windows 7, so I'm running a script.bat file that does (or should include) this.
...yah, batch files. Super awesome.
@Werner Well, I'd use python, because that's what i know
Pretty trivial to do, I'd say. Just do a match in the first file, and just rewrite the second file in place. Something like that.
You could pass the filenames as command line args. If they have spaces, it gets more annoying
$ new=grep "%%BoundingBox" file1.eps ;for i in *eps; do sed -i -e "s/^%%BoundingBox:.*/$new/" $i; done
@Werner The above replaced BoundingBox from file1.eps into every eps file in the directoory when I troed it (bash grep and sed) but could replace grep by sed if you really want sed
7:46 PM
@DavidCarlisle Ooo, grep and sed could work. What OS are you running on? Windows?
Q: Minimal distance in dotfill

ℝaphinkI'm generating an index with dotfills, such that my idx looks like this (extract): \item\raggedright l\IeC {`e}pre\dotfill \transform{21} \item\raggedright libre arbitre\dotfill \transform{1} \item\raggedright louange\dotfill \transform{245}, \transform{253} In this case, \transform{245} ...

I'm sure one of you has an idea :-)
Surely @egreg :-)
@Werner yes (cygwin though, I never use the windows command line)
@ℝaphink Meanwhile, I humbly fixed the inline code (you forgot one more space). :)
@DavidCarlisle Okay...
thanks @PauloCereda
7:47 PM
I'll try it and get back to you. May only be tomorrow, when I'll refresh your memory. :)
and I fixed the question (I wrote idx instead of ind)
@DavidCarlisle: you better fix your entry in the book contest, or we will add a number for you. :)
thanks @lockstep
:7263120 dotfill is \def\dotfill{%
  \cleaders \hb@xt@ .44em{\hss.\hss}\hfill
@ℝaphink just replace \hfill by \hskip 1cm plus \fill and it will be at least 1cm long
in the index preamble?
7:53 PM
@ℝaphink yes or define a command with a different name globally and use that in the index (or I put a third version in an answer)
8:14 PM
long ago, I remember seeing a question about adding the letter of the alphabet in front of every change of letter in an index
as in
before words beginning with a, typeset a big A
before word beginning with b, typeset a big B
I can't find that question anymore
Q: package makeidx: print first letter for each group of keys

MarianoI've created index with makeidx package. It works. What really need is to print the first letter above every group of keys (i.e. referring to the image I want to print the red letter, that I have manually inserted).

ah, thank you @Werner
@ℝaphink I searched using [indexing] letter (click here).
ah :)
Then it's more manageable.
8:18 PM
8:31 PM
@egreg Great idea, thank you.
8:49 PM
What's your opinion?
@ℝaphink TBH, I think it looks a bit too ragged with the long month names. Is it possible to abbreviate? Otherwise, maybe three columns are even better so that two dates never appear in one line.
two dates never appearing on one line, I could increase the minimal distance in dotfills (thanks again @DavidCarlisle)
as far as abbreviating, it's possible, too
I'm using datetime to display the dates
not sure if it knows about shorten dates in French
ah, there's \shortmonthname :)
Also, it seems when there is a line break between the item and the first date, the item is dragged to the right. So there should be some sort of \hfil before the \dotfill. @DavidCarlisle can surely figure out the correct sequence of glue and penalties.
And the voir items should not break.
I think you could reduce the indent of the second item level.
Why is the agneau de dieu not listed under dieu?
Sorry I'm nitpicking, but you asked for it ;-)
sure :)
trying to see how I can use short months
9:06 PM
@StephanLehmke just got back am i supposed to look at something:)
@DavidCarlisle Look at the omniscience de dieu, it is not in its proper place.
@StephanLehmke shouldn't it just all be set flush right (with the dotfill ensuring the first bit is flush left?)
@DavidCarlisle Yes, but if the \dotfill breaks, the flush left doesn't work. A penalty and some fil seems to belong there, or maybe a plus 1fil in the \rightskip?
@StephanLehmke oh do we have the code? I was just looking at the image
@DavidCarlisle the code is what was in my last question that you answered
all entries are like that
9:16 PM
@ℝaphink yes will look back, I'm trying to see from the image what the intention is though, on the left the continuation dates are flush left but indent, but the second level list under D, are the continuation dates flush right? or do they just look that way ?
Hi all,
I have a small question.
@DavidCarlisle the code in my .ist is
item_0 "\n \\item\\raggedright "
item_1 "\n \\subitem\\raggedleft "
Someone asked me today about running LaTeX from a Java application.
I know very little about Java, but I thought about NTS.
Might that help?
Is NTS downloadable anywhere?
@mbork Unlikely:-)
I know it is more or less dead, but last time I heard about it,
I heard it's TeX-the-engine-compatible
9:18 PM
@mbork Just issue a shell command.
@ℝaphink I'd be tempted to make them all raggedleft (I think)
Well, I would think so, but he told something I did not understand;),
@mbork Don't even think about it.
the result was that he can't due to some security concerns (the application will run on a server).
@StephanLehmke about what?
9:21 PM
@mbork hard to say given that info, but there basically isn't a native Java TeX, so you either need to access TeX via a system call, or in some setups it might be easier to issue a http web request to TeX running on that or a different server.
So this basically means that there is no "native" way, right? (Except for pure formulae, for which I hear there are some solutions.) OK, it's a pity, but thanks anyway.
And I find it quite strange that I couldn't find NTS anywhere. After all, it worked, so someone might need it...
@mbork Perhaps extex.org
Thanks, I'll email him that!
@mbork Using NTS.
@StephanLehmke: why? I heard that it did work - slowly, but correctly. And the application here would be compiling short (1-2 pages) documents, and not too many of them, so the burden shouldn't be too much.
9:33 PM
@DavidCarlisle: that doesn't work when items have no page, only subitems
they get pushed to the right, which is wrong
@mbork Yes Java can be picky because of certification concerns or whatever. I think @PauloCereda is your man, he built ARARA which is Java AFAIK and can call TeX.
Maybe ARARA is the native Java tool you're looking for?
Here's an excerpt of a Java application calling TeX. I don't know Java at all, so I might be quoting the wrong part.
    public void run() throws PublishingException
        	// Aufruf vorbereiten
        	counter = defaultCounterValue;
            String[] command = texCommandBuilder.buildCommand(configuration);
            ProcessBuilder builder = new ProcessBuilder(command);

            	int run = (defaultCounterValue - counter) + 1;
It seems like an incredible amount of work for calling an external process, but we've been discussing Java here before...
@mbork It's like trying to call ATARI TeX. Of course it will work, but I doubt anything productive will result in the end.
@StephanLehmke, is this better?
@ℝaphink Looks more like an index to me. I'd still try three columns for style.
three columns makes them too narrow, I tried
doesn't work because I have two levels in my keys
this will actually mean a patch for Nicola, since datetime didn't have short month names in French yet :-)
@ℝaphink As I said, I would reduce the indent.
9:41 PM
ah right
how do I do that? :-)
The remark about voir still applies. And direction still looks too ragged to me.
what about voir?
that it shouldn't wrap?
@ℝaphink I don't know. I'm just giving destructive criticism here ;-)
no that's nice
the thing is, if voir doesn't go to the next line, it's too close to each other
now for specific entries, the index is not finished yet
@ℝaphink Yep. See bataille spirituelle.
9:44 PM
I'm just setting up a bit before finishing tagging everything
so it will certainly look different once I have tagged everything :-)
@ℝaphink The whole voir entry can go to the next line, there just shouldn't be a line wrap inside.
I kind of agree, but I don't see how I would do that
maybe with a ~ in my \see{} entry
I just came here to vent about questions being closed, and the elitist feeling growing on the site. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/86943/…
let's try that
@Vivi: nobody's elitist, you're just a newbie
Is it necessary to say "this is basic knowledge" or "go read an introductory LaTeX book"? That was the guy's first question!!
9:47 PM
/me -> []
The definition of see seems to be \newcommand*\see[2]{\emph{\seename} #1}. Maybe an \mbox here would help.
Sure, but is this site not for newbies? Is it only for experts?
@Vivi: I'm kidding :-)
@Raphink I know :)
9:48 PM
but I agree
But I am pissed off with this. Why does someone feel that it is necessary to say to a newbie asking his first question on the site that "this is basic knowledge"? Geez, we all had to learn LaTeX one day, we all have different backgrounds.
@StephanLehmke: done
\renewcommand*\see[2]{\mbox{\emph{\seename} #1}}
@Vivi True, but at the same time there is a need to recognise that some very basic questions are best answered with 'start with a LaTeX tutorial'. Needs to be put in the correct way, of course.
@Vivi I agree with everything you say, I just don't see the connection with the question? The OP's problem was solved, the question is still there and can be found by other newbies with the same problem.
My problem is with how people are treating newbies. The guy knows he is a newbie. He is having difficulty. He got help, great, but why the need to tell him that this is a basic question? "Come here when you have learned enough not to ask stupid questions"??
9:52 PM
@ℝaphink Looks better to me. Don't write too long see entries now ;-) But that's be bad style anyway ;-)
@Vivi Why are you reading that into the comments?
Maybe the guy read the book and missed this. Maybe the book didn't have it. Maybe when you are first learning LaTeX everything seems like too much and you don't remember every single thing. The guy might have spent hours trying to figure out what's wrong, and he doesn't need anyone to tell him that this is a stupid question.
@Vivi We're also telling when something is a complicated question. For newbies, it's sometimes hard to tell the difference.
@Vivi They didn't, at least as I read the comments
I think some people are getting elitist. I think the newbie deserved better treatment. I don't think we need to tell anyone that their question is basic, nor to go read an introductory book.
I think the first two statements are mean and unnecessary. I think we need to be nicer with newbies.
*nicer to
@StephanLehmke: thanks for your help :)
9:55 PM
@Vivi The comment says it's a basic question. I'm not a native speaker, but I don't see a similarity with "stupid" at all. What would be a politically correct way of saying "basic knowledge"?
There is no need to say it! No need to rub in his face that the thing he couldn't figure out is basic knowledge.
@ℝaphink got to go...
thanks to you @DavidCarlisle, too
Anyway, I just wanted to vent. I need to do some work now :(
@Vivi Sorry, I can't continue this discussion without saying something rash...
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11:14 PM
@mbork: If you don't need something too complicated, I think ProcessBuilder will help (take a look at the code @StephanLehmke posted, it's a nice intro). The security restrictions Java imposes might be annoying if you try to trigger subshells, but overall it's quite doable. Just remember that it's advisable to use non-interactive commands. :)
@Vivi: I can vouch for Clemens, he's very friendly and kind in helping people here. I think we just got some noise in the signal when translating sentences from our mother tongue to English (it happens to me all the time). I can understand your reasoning and agree that we need to be 100% newbie-friendly, but I'm sure that in this case it was some divergent interpretations. :)
@percusse: sorting algorithm? Ducksort! :)
11:41 PM
@PauloCereda: thanks a lot. As I said, I know next to nothing about Java, but I emailed the link to this discussion to the guy who asked me the question.
@JosephWright @Vivi I agree with Vivi here on this particular question. If the question is "How do I make an unnumbered chapter?" then maybe a gentle pointer to a LaTeX introduction is an appropriate response, but in this case the person has done something wrong and doesn't understand what. The introduction isn't going to solve that problem. I honestly think that the question should be reopened and @ArTourter's comment turned into an answer. I don't see how this is too localized at all.
@mbork Cool. :) I wrote arara in Java and I opted for a nice library from the Apache Commons project named Exec. It might also be worth a try. :)
..continued And since there's been no actual duplicate proposed, having a question like this (which included a nice minimal example) seems quite useful and far from localized. We have plenty of questions in which people made simple errors that they might have caught by reading the documentation, and these aren't closed as too localized.
@AlanMunn: Place your bet here, please: meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/2982/… :)
@PauloCereda I'm with @DavidCarlisle I don't really need the book, so I'll let others add their bets.
11:49 PM
@AlanMunn C'mon, it will be fun. :) There's a lot numbers yet to pick. :)
And don't forget:
@PauloCereda There's even more numbers if you ignore the petty restriction to a finite range.
@AlanMunn It is interesting of you to say that. Am I interpreting correctly that you find it overly harsh on a newbie to say that the function of \chapter* is basic knowledge, but find it quite OK to tell the people spending their private time here to help that you're "pissed off with this"? No need to relativize at all?
@DavidCarlisle I think we should use some sort of Russian roulette:
[ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ] == 0 ] && rm -rf / || echo "Click"
@StephanLehmke I'm agreeing with the "I don't think this should be closed" not the "I'm pissed off part." Vivi might not be approaching the issue in the most delicate manner, but the issue about what criteria we use to close questions is real.
@PauloCereda is that one of the standard arara rules?
11:55 PM
@DavidCarlisle Not yet. I could add it to the official rule set. :)
@PauloCereda Hi can you just give me some advice?
@IceBox 'ello! Me? I'm here for the ducks. :)
Fire away, buddy. :)
@PauloCereda Can i?
@AlanMunn It's only a bit demotivating that 100% expert-friendliness seems to be quite optional.
@IceBox Sure! :)
11:58 PM
@IceBox If he gives you the advice he gave me that involves the letters r m - r f and /, don't follow it.
@DavidCarlisle Hey!
@StephanLehmke I think there's a difference between "How do I do <something simple>?" and "Why does <something simple> not behave the way I expect?". The former might be ok to respond with a gentle RTFM, but the latter less so.
@DavidCarlisle: don't complain, you use Windows. :P
@PauloCereda I am at the starting of my career and currently workinbg as an android developer in a company but a bigger company is offerring me a Quality engineer job (Testing) with a larger package.So I am in a big confusion. What should i do?
@AlanMunn Maybe you could go back to the question for once and reread all the comments and try to pick the most unfriendly one.

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