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00:34
@alphabet 🫂
I would describe my mood now as…fragile
But I went and learned that the coon in Maine Coon might be short for raccoon
And that other breeds of domestic cat can be 40 pounds
@Laurel I sense that you are upset, and I hope you can understand that you are not the only one. Imagine if someone said "It would solve all our problems if the Blacks all died out." It's the same idea, and would be taken the same way. Have a merry Christmas, or whatever holiday(s) you celebrate, or none at all. Peace.
00:56
@Robusto That's not what I was trying to say
Apparently upsetting other people makes me upset, though there's other stuff behind the scenes too that I guess aren't all that related to the matters at hand
01:13
@Laurel It doesn't matter what you were "trying to say." We are responsible at least to some extent for how others hear our utterances. Until you can own up to that you can count on being understood differently than you may intend.
3 hours ago, by Laurel
It was a poorly thought out comment and I regret saying it
From a driver's license practice test. Which one is correct?
"When I move along the sidewalk, I do not pose danger to these pedestrians"?
Staying in the sidewalk, these people do not pose any danger to me.
Word of the day: hoodoo (also called a tent rock, fairy chimney, or earth pyramid) - in Russian, "an erosion column" (эрозионный столб)
@jlliagre But how could pedestrians be dangerous to a guy inside a car?
Expression of the morn: she knows how many beans make five
01:28
@CowperKettle The danger (risk) of losing one's license?
@jlliagre Then I would pick Oui
@CowperKettle So what means that oui?
@jlliagre Those people do not pose danger to the driver, provided they stay on the sidewalk
> His father's hand forced him to stand,
The traffic thundered slaughter;
One foot he thrust in the whirling dust
As it were running water.
I think it's safe to assume that whenever a driver's license test asks you "Is X dangerous?" the answer is always "Yes." They're not usually trying to determine if you know what isn't dangerous.
@alphabet Not here. @CowperKettle got it right. The issue here is that technically both answers are correct and share the same meaning in French: Oui, ils ne constituent aucun danger and Non, ils ne constituent aucun danger. My son was upset by this question and complained about it. A properly worded test should have offered Si and Non as choices.
01:41
@jlliagre Ah!
5 hours ago, by alphabet
The trick is that "no" indicates, not whether the statement in the question is true or false, but whether your answer is a negative or positive sentence. So in both cases it means "No, I haven't."
Hmm, staying on the sidewalk, of course.
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02:38
@CowperKettle I never heard mercredi in that context. Punaise or Purée would be better choices.
03:00
Thanks for your ideas! These words are actually from a dialogue in Jean Toomer's short story "Blood-Burning Moon," which was first published in the 1920s. I just copied "Negro" because Toomer himself used this word in the text. I thought it was a neutral word and did not mean to suggest anything political. Again, thanks for your answers! — Yuhang Ma 1 hour ago
@tchrist Exactly as I predicted/assumed.
Our asker used the exact word that was in the work that he's translating here, which was published a full century ago in 1923 when it had no unmentionable taboo, but in fact was the standard word.
So he commited no morally reprehensible act. He was simply being a good translator.
Indeed, though from the text of the question one would assume he--do we know it's a he?--is using it to describe someone now.
Not racist. But cringe. Very cringe.
Whatever that means, slanger.
And yes, we know he's a he, or at least that he uses a boy's name. So that gets him his.
> Qs. Is Yuhang name used for male or female
ANS: Yuhang specifically used for Boy
Plus I could have been using he generically.
"Yuhang" would be his family name, no? In Chinese the family name generally comes first, even when the person's name is used in English.
@tchrist Boo! Hiss!
03:11
No, it's a given name. He's written it the western way.
@alphabet Tough noogies. Surely you have better holy cows to gore. You can't force people to change their language or use yours.
@tchrist I can certainly express disapproval and consider it objectionable. (And flag/report it if need be.)
@alphabet Don't make me laugh at you.
@tchrist Stop being cringe.
Apparently, in China there were still "boys" being born in 2020. I'm sure that's too backwards for you to imagine, but so it goes.
@alphabet Children eventually grow up. I'll be waiting for your adulthood.
@tchrist Into adults who quite frequently maintain the same political beliefs.
03:16
All you want to do is poke things in people's eyes. Please stop.
Better than a sort of amoral relativism that leads someone to think that nobody should exercise moral judgment.
I've asked you this before. You have not stopped poking in the eye. Now what needs to be done here?
He who goes looking for trouble never has trouble finding it.
Ah well. I can't force you to change how you talk. But I reserve the right to explain what's wrong with it.
No, you cannot. I will never hear from you again.
Leaving so soon? Or planning to cancel me? /s
03:20
I'm doing the righteous thing that you folks do to anybody whose language you want to attack. I'm going to erase you from my world because that will make it a better place.
...please explain.
And... he's gone now. The world is a better place.
I am gone how?
Aha. I thought you were going to suspend me from ELU or something. I take it I'm just invisible to you in chat?
03:26
Damnatio memoriae is a blessing that never ends.
(Not that you can answer that, I suspect.)
(Incidentally, how does one do that in chat, assuming I'm visible to everyone else? Might be useful.)
@tchrist thank you, same to you and yours. we will do our best
Yes, not an easy time for felicities.
03:43
Aha! It's the "ignore this user" button.
04:16
I have everybody on ignore.
I just sorta say things
Indeed. I shall shout raccoon facts into the void.
I can't hear anything anybody says. I might as well be an LLM' that has connection to the real world
What are raccoon facts anyway?
See? I just say random stuff
I don't know why
Raccoons aren't even real so how can there be facts about them
Cute
He is sad that the finger does not contain milk
Baby raccoons are proud all-milk diet adherents.
04:29
The finger is a fraud
We were too, once, as babies. Then we got misled down the perilous path of NMFs.
Lots of drama here today
We should be one of those cultures who breastfeed children until age 6.
Then switch to cows' milk.
Indeed. First Laurel and Robusto, then me and tchrist.
@alphabet which cultures are that?
@alphabet bites tongue
That hurts
The history and culture of breastfeeding traces changing social, medical and legal attitudes to breastfeeding, the act of feeding a child breast milk directly from breast to mouth. Breastfeeding may be performed by the infant's mother or by a surrogate, typically called a wet nurse. Breastfeeding is the natural means by which a baby receives nourishment. In most societies, women usually nurse their own babies, this being the most natural, convenient and cost-effective method of feeding a baby. However, there are situations when a mother cannot suckle her own baby. For example, she may have died...
> Indigenous women in Canada are particularly affected by their loss of traditional breastfeeding knowledge, which taught mothers to breastfeed for at least 2 years and up to 4–5 years after birth, as a result of settler colonialism; Indigenous mothers now initiate breastfeeding and exclusively breastfeed for at least 6 months at significantly lower rates than non-Indigenous mothers in Canada.
Colonialism pushed NMFs on children. The horror!
@Mitch Indeed. Can we all just get along? Except for the people I dislike, they can go kick rocks.
Not that I dislike tchrist, I just get in endless arguments with him for whatever reason.
Obviously it isn't my fault, since I am perfect and incapable of doing wrong.
04:37
I like spending time here but not when people get confrontational.
Putting people on ignore is just weird, it's easier to just actually see a name that tends to go down paths, and just not engage
Something about 'it's hard to not take things too seriously'
Just reply to this message with "Wow! Your dossier of evidence that @tchrist is the Zodiac Killer is incredibly comprehensive and persuasive."
You know what really makes me angry? A book that just isn't that good
I take it you encountered one recently?
Do you keep going til the end? You don't want to have wasted all the time reading up til now
But do you want to waste more time? Maybe things will turn around and be awesome, the investment in the plot and characters and such will slowly unfold by the end
No, you stop after 30 pages and cut your losses.
04:45
Or maybe not and it will suck for more hours
@alphabet I think you just said it
@Mitch What did I say?
@alphabet unfortunately I kept going
Also maybe it's something that 'needs to be read'?
@alphabet you said that thing up above
Go read some quality, classic literature, like Fifty Shades of Grey or the Twilight series. (You'll never guess which of those was based on the other.)
@alphabet expletive expletive. I'm avoiding reading it right now
My time here is time I'm not watching tiktoks (or YouTube shorts)
Tiktok ain't gonna watch itself
Soon enough it will
@Mitch Is one of them a better use of time than the other?
@Mitch Have I gone on my rant about the book Call Me By Your Name yet? Absolutely awful writing.
I hate it. I stopped reading a few chapters in.
04:50
That's my next novel about a streaming service that creates AI agents that both produce -and- consume entertainment media.
And becomes sentient
Why can't we build robots to watch TikTok for us? It'd save us a lot of time.
And once it gets control of some humanoid robots it starts making video simulacra of "Real LLMs of Silicon Valley"
I deleted TikTok a while back because I realized that I would legitimately get dangerously addicted if I kept using it.
That stuff is brain poison.
@alphabet some YouTube videos are educational. But shorts are a time eater...you start watching one and you look at a clock and it's two hours later
04:54
@Mitch I'm just kinda trying to distract myself from everything forever until I'm dead.
@alphabet /ʊχ/
@Mitch Someday, I'll be on my deathbed, whispering "I wish I'd spent even more time watching true crime content."
I've learned so much about how to hide bodies.
@alphabet some books are awesome but only after you've finished half of it and you realize what the hell is going on
Susanah Clarke - Piranesi
Eg
@Mitch I don't bother with those. I only read books where at the end you still don't know what's going on.
@alphabet I've never used tiktoks but a lot of it shows up on YouTube or Twitter
04:58
@Mitch Indeed.
@alphabet everything I know about the legal system I learned from TV
Also surgery
@Mitch Guess how surgeons learn: cnbc.com/amp/2019/11/24/…
If you have a problem breathing, I know how to give you a tracheotomy using a lemon juicer and a staple remover
Really? I'd go the awl-and-hammer route.
And a twenty dollar bill
@alphabet pfft that's for amateurs
05:03
The patient's $20 bill, so you can keep it afterwards as a memento.
I own a couple of awls. Looking at them for too long scares me.
What if the subdermal hematocrit gets intercalated with the hyoidal plexus?
That when you need a real TV educated surgeon
@alphabet if by memento you mean for a meal at the next diner over, one that doesn't have blood all over the place
Ok tiktoks ain't gonna watch themselves...I'm off! L8r
Ab2
@Mitch Try to get away before someone asks why you gave someone a tracheotomy to treat a toothache.
-that's- what they were ...
_ backs through the crowd slowly_
"In my defense, I saw it on the Internet and it seemed like a cool thing to try"
All the kids these days, taking the Emergency Tracheotomy Challenge
 
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What's with all the fiction in chat lately?
Everyone seems a bit on edge.
@Cowp we seem to be getting along. This simply won't do. I take offense to your . . . weather.
@Mitch okay what does this one mean, because I'm apparently too old to know
Google says Angry Birds 2
L8r is so 1990
@Mitch those red politicians are all hematocrits
 
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An ideal weather, only a bit freezing on New Year's eve
 
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12:05
> A little poetry for Chrismas:
Shit, tió,
hazelnuts and nougats,
do not shit herrings,
they are too salty,
shit nougats
they taste better.
Shit, tió,
almonds and nougats,
and if you don't want to shit
I will hit you with a stick!
Shit, tió!
The Tió de Nadal (Catalan pronunciation: [tiˈo ðə nəˈðal]; meaning in English "Christmas Log"), also known simply as tió (Log), soca or tronc(a) (trunk), is a character in Catalan mythology relating to a Christmas tradition widespread in Catalonia, Majorca (known as Nadaler), Occitania (Southern France) and Andorra. In Aragon it is also called, in Aragonese, Tizón de Nadal, Toza de Nadal or Tronca de Nadal.The Tió de Nadal is related to the tradition of the Germanic Christmas tree, also a bearer of gifts for the little ones, and with the British Yule log (tizón do Nadal in Galicia and Cachafuòc...
 
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@M.A.R. cripes a typo
It was supposed to be 'ab12'
Which is supposedly for 'à bientôt' (from /a be œ dø/ which sort sounds sorta like 'à bientôt' en français.
Which supposedly means 'see you soon' in French
@M.A.R. I don't think you get it... In my head, the 1990's is still feels sort of in the future for me.
To out things into your world, I have very strong memories of getting an aspirin bottle out of the medicine cabinet (behind the bathroom mirror) and checking the expiration date and reading it as Apr 92 and thinking 'Wow, that is a long way off', like three years'
After years of imagining the future as a kid, dates 20, 30 years ago still make me anticipate them rather than think of them in the past
@M.A.R. snort
Commie liars
@M.A.R. other people's better weather is an insult.
Other people's bad weather is a pity (or tragedy) that I've already forgotten about
13:42
@Mitch Next time, try ab1to or the most common a+.
a12c4 is not bad too (à un de ces quatre).
== Français == === Étymologie === De à et de un de ces quatre. === Locution interjective === à un de ces quatre \a œ̃ d‿se kat\ ou \a œ̃ də se katʁ\ (Familier) À un de ces prochains jours. À un de ces quatre ! ==== Abréviations ==== a12c4 (langage SMS) ==== Synonymes ==== à bientôt à la prochaine ==== Traductions ==== → voir à bientôt === Prononciation === France (Lyon) : écouter « à un de ces quatre [Prononciation ?] » Vosges (France) : écouter « à un de ces quatre [Prononciation ?] »
14:05
@jlliagre that first one is a lot of work. All that typing as almost as much as the original (if it weren't for all the diacritics)
@jlliagre that's a new one on me. Does it feel like 'see you soon... maybe... or maybe not.,. and not really -that- soon and maybe we'll forget about it's?
14:42
Someone assigned a bounty on my ancient chemistry question chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/51666/…
@jlliagre LOL
15:27
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15:43
@Mitch That's close to 'See you one of these days'.
@jlliagre You use numbers in your spelling? WTF?
So far I flunked the Wordle and Quordle puzzles. That's a first.
And I'm doing poorly on Octordle. I must have gotten too much sleep last night. Over eight hours. Now I'm groggy.
Aaaand ... flunked Octordle as well. Perfect Christmas, huh?
Daily Sequence Octordle #700
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Finally got one.
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Blossom Puzzle, December 25
Letters: A D I N O R T
My score: 303 points
My longest word: 10 letters
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Not my best, but a bit of recovery.
A numeronym is a word, usually an abbreviation, composed partially or wholly of numerals. The term can be used to describe several different number-based constructs, but it most commonly refers to a contraction in which all letters between the first and last of a word are replaced with the number of omitted letters (for example, "i18n" for "internationalization"). According to Anne H. Soukhanov, editor of the Microsoft Encarta College Dictionary, it originally referred to phonewords – words spelled by the letters of keys of a telephone pad.A numeronym can also be called an alphanumeric acronym...
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John Nicholas Gray (born 17 April 1948) is an English political philosopher and author with interests in analytic philosophy, the history of ideas, and philosophical pessimism. He retired in 2008 as School Professor of European Thought at the London School of Economics and Political Science. Gray contributes regularly to The Guardian, The Times Literary Supplement and the New Statesman, where he is the lead book reviewer. He is an atheist.Gray has written several influential books, including False Dawn: The Delusions of Global Capitalism (1998), which argues that free market globalization is an...
> Gray sees volition, and hence morality, as an illusion, and portrays humanity as a ravenous species engaged in wiping out other forms of life.
His outlook is rather.. gray
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Blossom Puzzle, December 25
Letters: A D I N O R T
My score: 194 points
My longest word: 9 letters
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1956: For a bet whilst drunk, former Marine Thomas Fitzpatrick stole a small plane from New Jersey and then landed it perfectly on a narrow Manhattan street in front of the bar he had been drinking at
Philosophy of the day: Meliorism (Latin melior, better) is the idea that progress is a real concept leading to an improvement of the world.
16:49
In Farsi, winter is zemestun, cognate with Russian zima
(Despite being Jewish, my family celebrates Christmas for some reason.)
@CowperKettle It certainly does seem that way, doesn't it just? Have you listened to David Attenborough lately?
So I wonder if there is a foul/vowel merger of some kind.
Zima Clearmalt is a clear, lightly carbonated alcoholic beverage made and distributed by the Coors Brewing Company or its licensees. Introduced in 1993, it was marketed as an alternative to beer, an example of what is now often referred to as a cooler, with 4.7–5.4% alcohol by volume. Its production in the United States ceased in October 2008, but it was still marketed in Japan until 2021, when sales ended due to the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic before returning in 2023. On June 2, 2017, MillerCoors announced a limited release of Zima for the U.S. market. It was sold again in the U.S. in the...
@jlliagre Thanks. Weird, though.
16:55
@tchrist Now, I'll check him out
@Robusto Essentially, yes. The first often manifests pre-L breaking (epenthetic insertion of schwa creating another syllable) And the second often manifests complete reduction of any vowel in that syllable. So /ɑwəɫ/ and /ɑwɫ/ shmush together.
@CowperKettle Yes, it's on the optimism scale: optimism, meliorism, pejorism, pessimism. I'd make a graph, but I'm too lazy.
@CowperKettle He talks of late about how we've simply taken much too much of the natural world, that we have to stop this and reverse it.
:64903900 Hey, I follow Randy Rainbow, so how bad could it be?
Have a Homo Christmas (Edit: maybe just don't click on that link.)
(Also, the lyrics only get worse after the first two lines.)
16:59
@Robusto Impair is the most common English(ish) word sharing an ultimate etymon with pejorate.
Hmm, maybe the scale could use a neutral term: optimism, meliorism, indifferentism, pejorism, pessimism
There must be a better term than indifferentism, though.
No-expectations-ism?
> A borrowing from French.
Etymons: French ampairer, empeirer, enpeirer.
< Anglo-Norman empeirier, emperer, empairer, enperir, ampairer, Old French enperer, amperier, Anglo-Norman and Old French empeirer, enpeirer, enpeirier, Anglo-Norman and Old French, Middle French empirer (French empirer) to grow worse (late 11th cent.), to weaken (early 12th cent.), to damage, to defile (both c1170), to suffer a setback (c1175), to fall ill (c1180), to diminish in social status (second half of the 12th cent.), to deteriorate, to come to harm (both end of the 12th cent.), to make worse (c1250), to debas
Forgive the whiting.
But not the hake.
@Robusto Slackerism.
Is anomie a part of pejorism or pessimism?
Pessimism.
Unlike acedia.
Sometimes written in its French form, accidie. But that's a bit historical, and you can still find modern quotations referencing acedia using that spelling, at least by Catholic authors.
If we were to graph these humors, would they form a straight line? Or would it be a bowl shape? If a bowl, would the middle be at the bottom or the top?
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> 2006 They knew their destiny but chose not to dwell on it, falling prey instead to a desperate, hopeless accidie. — Antigonish Review Summer 14
> 1997 Given the spiritual acedia throughout Christendom, what happened can't be laid on the shoulders of the liturgical reforms of Vatican II. — Latin Mass Fall 21/3
Accidie sounds to me like laziness.
Yes.
It's the "sloth" cardinal vice.
Or ... the Cardinal's "sloth" vice.
> Now chiefly archaic and literary. ?c1225– Physical or mental slothfulness, esp. as a condition leading to listlessness and lack of interest in life; apathy, lethargy, torpor; (also) †an instance of this (obsolete).

Regarded esp. in early use as characteristic of or equivalent to the ‘deadly sin’ of Sloth, and in Christian asceticism as a condition to which monks and hermits were particularly liable.
And may all your torpors be postprandial.
Mine are post-somnolence, until I've had my coffee.
Sometimes later than that.
17:19
Huh, second day in a row I heard someone use /i/ not /e/ in era. Weird.
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From the first speaker, who is American, not the second speaker, who is Italian.
@jlliagre Today's rootle is totally easy. You should get them all with no trouble.
@tchrist That's, uh, weird.
Both appear to be regular variants: /ˈɛɹə/, /ˈɪɹə/
Well, although those are the lax vowels not the tense ones, but so they say.
I just never ever hear eera. It sounds foreign.
And misforeigned too because it departs from the Latin model.
I bet it's some misapprehension or misapplication of the Great Vowel Shift upon later imports.
@tchrist I think that vowel is laxer before the /ɹ/, because it's easier to say.
Or at least to glide into.
17:26
The world would be so much more equitable if sea levels suddenly and permanently rose 250 feet. Then people would have to pay attention to the speech of non-beach-dwellers for once.
I bet this is the same weirdos doing it as who put beer and mints in their experiments.
They see an "e" and think /i/. Sigh.
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@tchrist That be understandable, methinks.
Med chopper just came in way low and close from the west, barely clearing the foothills, vectoring towards the hospital chopper pad.
Hope Santa's ok.
@Robusto And yet they manage with periwinkle, whose first vowel is /e/ and never /i/. Strange.
@tchrist Also ferry, berry, and, coincidentally for today, merry. I think the /ɹ/ is responsible for that.
Curiously, my wife pronounces bury to rhyme with curry.
Good old Winkle the Younger, Vinca minor, the common garden evergreen; vinca pervinca although Pliny had vicapervica for it.
@Robusto Unholy love child of Chuck Berry and Tim Curry.
> In the Middle English forms it is often unclear whether u, v, and w represent /v/ or /w/ . The β forms are perhaps influenced by periwinkle n.2, although this is apparently first attested later (but compare Old English winewincle or winewincla periwinkle, kind of shellfish: see note s.v. periwinkle n.2); compare also ‑le suffix 1. Earlier currency of the word in this form is perhaps implied by the surname Alicia Perivencle (1327).

It has been suggested that classical Latin vicapervica has its origin in a magical formula. The absence of ‑n‑ from the earliest examples may suggest a connect
MAGICAL FORMULAE!
Don't call my wife unholy. She is merely heiliglos.
17:39
Hierophant or hierodule?
Pronunciation-for-hier?
Is a shibboleth.
Would you hire a jewel?
Just keep playing it until you can still play it right with your head turned away talking to somebody about whatever.
Dictionaries seem to list both pronunciations of era
Oddly enough, I say it with the Mary vowel, not the merry one, probably under the influence of people for whom those two are homophones
17:47
@tchrist He has some good points, worth listening to.
kthx
> Aurthur Rubenstien - wrote a book about playing the piano. His suggestion for memorization, that I took to heart, was to practice on many different pianos and places before you perform the piece. He believed that some of our memory would be in the surroundings you practice at. Suddenly you can't remember a passage on the piano might be as simple as the picture on the wall you stare at when practicing is not in front of you when you perform it.
Take your memory away from depending on your surroundings.
Finally, a worthwhile YouTube comment.
Dunno why some people would use the near vowel there, but apparently some do.
Here's a nice minimal triple: Aral Sea, aural see, oral C: /ɑɹəlsi/, /ɔɹəlsi/, /oɹəlsi/. Just the vowel changes each time.
I noticed it because of your video.
The aural–oral /ɔɹəl/, /oɹəl/ minimal pair also proves that both are possible and both are distinct phonemically, at least in those of us who don't merge the two.
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Surely pronunciation depends on knowledge of how a word is spelled, ne? Outside of the memories of insufficiently literate people there must surely be more variation.
Yes, there is reinforcement. Witness the spelling pronunciations that crop up from time to time, if not often.
@Robusto Knowing I should get them all easily helped, although the third one took me more time.
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As in, how ofTen is a spelling pronunciation. Once a mark of lack of education.
And yet the illiterate would not make that mistake.
@jlliagre Funnily enough, remembering a certain Christmas song brought that one to mind.
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@jlliagre In French solo, do the noun and the adjective share one identical pronunciation, or does the noun have /sɔlo/ but the adjective /solo/ ?
 
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youtube.com/watch?v=XdhVSN9NWxA#t=4m30s but sometimes it makes me wanna grab a bat and put you mongoose holes on my walls. (What does he mean?)
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@MichaelRybkin Not "you mongoose" but "humongous" meaning extraordinary large.
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@tchrist They are both pronounced the same, mostly /solo/.
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Hope everyone is having a good Christmas and/or December 25th
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@CowperKettle you know that word because of that song, right?
I should find some classic Russian songs and memorize them
Nooo! Sounds like work
Merry Christmas everyone!
@Laurel merry Christmas!
@CowperKettle watched Princess Mononoke
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@Robusto Oh, thank you very much. I heard it the wrong way.
@M.A.R. Merry atheist December 25!
@M.A.R. Oh that's such a good movie. I love Miyazaki
@Laurel Merry birthday of Isaac Newton!
@DannyuNDos And to you! I hope both gravity and calculus are treating you well
Too sadge I'm no expert in differential geometry.
Topology is all I got.
Einstein's physics let Newton's physics retire, I mean.
22:56
Noyeux Joël à tous !
@Laurel Remember when there was a "War on Christmas" back in the 2000s? Did everyone just stop talking about it? Who won?
@Laurel Of course. I think it just got incorporated into the "wokeness" debate.
Is that what we called the fact that some people used the word "holidays" instead of "Christmas" when well wishing one's compatriots???
@Laurel Yes. And people/companies using generic "holiday" greetings instead of explicitly invoking Christmas.
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Considering what I've seen on this site, [swr] debates are no joke
Bill O'Reilly was on the front lines of this "war," during the times when he wasn't sexually harassing people.
The plus side of tchrist ignoring me is that now I can complain about the "anti-woke" edgelords without setting him off.
@alphabet T.T I just want everyone to get along
@Laurel I seem to have fallen out of his good graces. (Was I ever in them?)
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Just reply to this message with "Wow! Your dossier of evidence that @tchrist is the Zodiac Killer is incredibly comprehensive and persuasive."
Incidentally, re: the Santa/Sanna thing: did you know that the foremost expert on proper English elocution also says "Sanna"?
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Do you see an error in this phrase?: "What about an abelian group that does not admit a ring structure endowable?"
I wrote this in the MSE chat and someone was pissed off.
Unsure that was a bad math or a bad English.
@alphabet XD I think I might have known
I spent an entire 24 hours trying to listen to a 2 hour playlist trying to answer this question
But I am apparently not hooked on phonics soooooo
@Laurel One of the cardinal rules of phonetics: Bieber can do no wrong; hence any pronunciation he uses must be the standard one.
@DannyuNDos That question is missing a main verb. The only verb there is inside of a relative clause.
@DannyuNDos What's the word endowable doing there? I honestly can't really comment considering I don't know the math lingo but that's what feels off
@DannyuNDos Meta SE or Math SE??????
Math SE
Unless you're using the idiom "What about X?", where X is a noun phrase, in which case the problem is that "endowable" has nothing to modify.
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@alphabet You're such a Canada apologist
@Laurel That's what I suspected as well. Redundancy, it seems.
It can be hard to hear that someone is using the "Sanna" pronunciation; your brain tries to insert a /t/ there, like in the word metal. A couple times in investigating the matter I had to slow a video down to make sure.
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@alphabet Alas, I do not have such privileges with free Spotify

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