English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

How would I know? The only time I see flags it's for like the second page of some moved to chat comment chain from some religious site that I'm not a member of

tchrist

Nobody flagged you. Yet.

jlliagre

Laurel

@tchrist what curse word is really long and starts with a 9?

Wow also for some reason I thought that was a screensHot of the page and not a link to it lol

A link to a screenshot I mean

Also there are Gracula birds here

alphabet

12:28 AM

Sunburns are good for you. Prove me wrong

Laurel

@alphabet Don't worry I got another type of burn. Sand burn, like rope burn but from sand

I think it got better tho

I cannot endorse certain water sports, however

12:47 AM

12:58 AM

@tchrist Fixed

alphabet

1:35 AM

@jlliagre There us something hilarious about watching someone explain the word "friggin'"

tchrist

@Laurel Next time shake the sand out of the rug first.

Laurel

@tchrist It was on the beach itself

alphabet

That youtube channel (with English lessons) is wonderful

Laurel

It was an unfortunate accident that anyone but slightly buzzed me could have anticipated

alphabet

Don't drink and sand

tchrist

1:48 AM

Sex on the beach is even worse than sex on the rug.

@jlliagre Thanks.

> On Friday, Russia blocked the websites of the Ria Fan, Politics Today, Economy Today, Neva News and People’s News online media outlets, part of a constellation of online sites that pushed out fake news in support of Prigozhin’s agenda.

Russia block fake news? Impossible!

Laurel

@alphabet The bar is on the sand, next to the paddle boards. While many of my peers might engage in victim blaming, I believe what happened was symptomatic of a systemic problem

alphabet

@Laurel To stop these problems, we really need to raise the bar

Laurel

@tchrist Uh yeah no, it was the middle of the day and I'm here with coworkers (a non sponsored [company] event, as we keep on being reminded of). One of my coworkers was offered the pool for late night skinny dipping and he fortunately declined

tchrist

2:03 AM

My word.

CowperKettle

tchrist

2:39 AM

@jlliagre Reminds me of bow town vs boat hound.

ben

@tchrist are you online?

tchrist

@ben No, only my chatbot is.

Robusto

@alphabet My rejoinder: basal cell carcinoma, squamous cell carcinoma, melanoma. I rest my case.

tchrist

@ben Your two answers were completely written by an AI. We can tell.

ben

@tchrist This is all I could find relating the use of bots:
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Moderator Note: This question being featured is still the best tool we have to announce this policy sitewide. However, people have been using this for protracted debate and discussion. As such, this question is now locked. If you want to discuss this policy further, or suggest other related changes, please Ask a New Question and use the chatgpt tag. Do not comment on the answers instead.

If it is, can I write answers in french?

tchrist

2:45 AM

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Q: Temporary policy: Generative AI (e.g., ChatGPT) is banned

Moderator Note: This question being featured is still the best tool we have to announce this policy sitewide. However, people have been using this for protracted debate and discussion. As such, this question is now locked. If you want to discuss this policy further, or suggest other related chan...

ben

Also, you don't have to act like a discord mod you know. I am willing to comply only if it's not permitted.

tchrist

@ben Sais pas, peux-tu?

ben

@tchrist J'espère que je peux bud, on est pas tous bilingue

tchrist

We have many, many, many reasons for banned generative AI answers.

@ben Suis pas ton bud.

47

A: Is there a word for colloquial forms of address?

Informal forms of address: colloquial vocatives, faux intimates, hailnames What you’re talking about are informal forms of address, colloquial vocatives, faux intimates, or my favorite from William Safire, hailnames. They’re forms of direct address (hence vocatives) used in casual situations as ...

Anyway, you can write answers in French on the French SE site, but not on Stack Overflow. There's a close reason for non-English content.

Please do not post AI-generated text pretending it's yours. It's dishonest and breaks our system. It's plagiarism as well.

Your English is perfectly fine, you know.

ben

@tchrist J'utilise google trad. Est-ce trop avancé pour SO aussi?

tchrist

2:52 AM

Haha.

Ceci n'a rien à faire avec ça, tu sais.

Using an automated spelling checker or grammar checker, even a translator, is fine.

ben

Plus sérieusement, réglont ça comme des grands. Je m'excuse pour la façon dont j'ai parlé. Je vais reformuler mes réponses sans aide & pourrais-je compter sur toi afin de supprimer c'est commentaires néfastes & enlever tes downvotes puisque j'ai testé les réponses et que tous fonctionne?

tchrist

It's still your own creation.

@ben French does not phase me, you know.

ben

Je vais enlever mes commentaires également.

Cerberus

Réglont?

C'est?

tchrist

Smells Canadian. And male.

Robusto

2:54 AM

Cerberus

I feel like GPT being annoying about typoes.

tchrist

What ChatGPT writes is not your text.

Robusto

Not bad for a phone pic.

tchrist

What Google Translate translates from your text, is.

Cerberus

@Robusto Big!

tchrist

2:55 AM

@Robusto No. 3x lens?

Cerberus

What phone do you have now?

Robusto

@tchrist 30x.

tchrist

Is not a phone! :)

Or you have a spotting scope with attachment.

Robusto

Galaxy S23 Ultra.

Cerberus

Is it a potato?

Good to know.

tchrist

2:56 AM

@Robusto That's my phone.

Robusto

@tchrist Is definitely a phone.

tchrist

And it is not 30x lens. Is 3x lens. Is cropped maybe.

Robusto

@tchrist Try it tomorrow when the moon is close to full. You got the June upgrade, right?

tchrist

Forgot how to use subjects.

ben

@Cerberus Désolé d'être dyslexique bro, mais vas-y continue de rigoler si ça peut compenser pour tes manques

tchrist

2:57 AM

@Robusto Yes but didn't look what it did.

Robusto

@tchrist I cropped some empty sky from the right side, that's all.

Cerberus

It is true that phones often don't distinguish between optical magnification and just zooming in on the digital image.

tchrist

@ben Stop calling us faux intimates. It's insulting. How old are you, kid?

ben

@tchrist Pardon Monsieur

Robusto

Seriously, I'm going to try shooting tomorrow to compare the phone with my Nikon.

Cerberus

2:58 AM

@ben My French is not great so I was wondering whether those were typoes or just words/grammar I didn't know.

ben

@Cerberus No problem, Sorry for calling you bro.

Cerberus

It's fine.

Robusto

@tchrist 30x result. Handheld. Unreal.

tchrist

What he said wasn't very nice apropos tes manques.

BUt you knew that.

Cerberus

I knew.

I don't care.

tchrist

3:00 AM

It's ok.

I suppose a 15-year-old boy might try to call a 75-year-old man "bud" or "bro", but it rings false.

Cerberus

I'm not 75 yet.

Robusto

Me neither.

tchrist

I was already 71 when I was 17.

So it works out.

Robusto

@tchrist You and Janis Ian.

tchrist

I had another ursine invader this morning.

Robusto

3:03 AM

Janis Ian - At Seventeen (Audio)

►

tchrist

By daylight. On both sides of the house, no less. My neighbor videoed the bruin in action.

Robusto

@tchrist How did you bear that?

tchrist

It was 7:20; the sun had been up for like 2 hours or something.

@Robusto Not exactly my JHS dance theme song, but I remember.

ben

I didn't realise you were possibly 75. I am truly sorry for conducting myself as such, I was already frustrated from being called a liar and thought you were trying to comment on my spelling issues. I will do better.

tchrist

I understand that it's hard writing in something that's not your first language. Go ahead and write in French comme tu veux but then run it through Google Translate or something. We want your expertise, not the ChatGPT bot's.

alphabet

3:09 AM

@Robusto Melanoma shmelanoma.

Robusto

Bosco almost caught a bird in the back yard this morning, but he leapt too soon. The bird swooped to light on the ground when all of a sudden the black-and-white cat rocketed in on the attack. The bird wheeled on the instant and then was up and away.

tchrist

I'm old. I'm not 75 yet but you would consider me an old man: I have a lot of grey hair, what's left of it. In earlier eras I would have been retired already. In even earlier eras, I'd almost certainly be dead by now.

Robusto

@alphabet It can kill ya, son.

@tchrist In earlier eras you had a good chance of dying before the age of 10.

tchrist

I wouldn't have survived till 2: my weight was the same at 24 months as it had been as 12 months. "Failure to thrive" would have been the diagnosis, and I would have died.

Robusto

See? It isn't always a question of age.

Damn, hard to believe it's July already.

ben

3:13 AM

@tchrist I understand. Thank you for taking your time to provide me info.

@tchrist I just finished editing. It should be good.

tchrist

@ben We're trying to gather information to understand how and why SO users are using ChatGPT without realizing that we don't want them to. I'm especially interested in those who do so for reasons of not being as comfortable writing in English.

ben

@tchrist What do you mean?

For me, if I could get my text translated it would be a huge +. I used GPT because it's the most relevant tool for the job I honestly tought I wasn't in the wrong.

tchrist

We used to have a banner notification that ChatGPT was banned, about 6 months ago. But that only was up for about two weeks. We moderators would like it to be presented to you right above the answer box so that you aren't surprised when we are unhappy that you used generative AI.

ben

@tchrist That would be a good idea.

@tchrist Because I swear I never got a pop up

Or anything for that matter.

tchrist

I know, it was only there for a little while.

I mean, back in December or January.

ben

3:19 AM

@tchrist Oh allright. Yes it's a great idea. But why prevent GPT answers if they are good?

tchrist

People are pasting questions into ChatGPT, perhaps prompting it to create an answer for Stack Overflow. Then they paste it into the answer box and they don't know they've done something bad.

ben

Oh yeah that's bad

Especially if it's wrong.

Because it's wrong a lot of times

tchrist

@ben Lots of reasons. For one thing, this place runs on reputation gained through actual expertise. For another, it makes stuff up and doesn't even know it's doing so. For one more, it's plagiarism. And finally, if people want a chatbot answer, they should go there not here.

So you would be gaining privileges based on people trusting you, because you've given them good answers. But if they aren't yours, that's wrong, and maybe even dangeroius.

These are the privilege levels on Stack Overflow.

ben

Absolutely. Althought I want to point out that I got this answer provided by chat-gpt when asking about plagiarism: If you use the content generated by ChatGPT as a starting point or as a source of inspiration and then modify and expand upon it to create your own unique work, while properly acknowledging the use of AI-generated assistance, it is generally not considered plagiarism. In such cases, it's important to clearly attribute the AI-generated content as a contribution from the language model.

tchrist

It's all about "reputation points", which are like experience points in a game, kind of, but you gain them because voters decide your posts are helpful to them. So they upvote you and you gain more powers.

And of course, I can tell that that was from ChatGPT. You did not write it in French and then run it through Google Translate. Do you know how I can tell?

ben

3:25 AM

@tchrist Yes I understand. Sorry for wasting your time.

alphabet

@Robusto Mortality shmortality.

tchrist

@ben You are NOT wasting my time!! I'm a moderator. I'm here to help the community.

Including you.

The ChatGPT training set biases it towards certain communication styles. These are easy to recognize.

ben

@tchrist How can you tell? Because in my case I will tell everything I did. I first provided chat gpt with the answer in french, then said correct any spelling mistakes, then said rewrite in english like you were posting on stack overflow.

tchrist

I've probably looked at a couple of thousand answers by now that were generated by generative AI. Some are more obvious than others, but you can often just tell. And moderators have access to other metrics in some cases. Like timing.

It's its dry style. And how it summarizes things.

Cerberus

@ben I haven't seen the context, but this chat message looks like something written by GPT?

tchrist

3:29 AM

"It's important to...", "it's essential to...". Des expressions impersonnelles comme celles-ci.

Cerberus

Also just the general blandness.

tchrist

Yeah.

Cerberus

Chat GPT is like...a flavour, or lack thereof.

ben

@Cerberus I replied to 2 answers in english and used AI to help me with formatting and translating.

tchrist

The thing is, I am 100% positive that your original French would NOT have been bland.

Cerberus

3:30 AM

@ben OK then the AI shows. It's not mere translating.

tchrist

Because you've used it here in chat, and it is anything but bland.

Cerberus

Exactly.

ben

It was not a perfect translation per say. It added a whole new block about extra infos for the problem relating to Django.

Robusto

@alphabet I admire your sang froid and hope you can keep joking whatever may come.

ben

Which is now deleted.

@tchrist Do you use Chat GPT often?

Robusto

3:33 AM

@tchrist I would say it lacks personality.

tchrist

His originals were this and this, before he rewrote them in his own words. See how deathly flat those are?

@ben I never do.

@Robusto ColleenV explained that well on our Meta.

ben

I just asked Chat GPT this: why are you adding information relating to a problem when asked to translate a potential answer? And got this answer: As an AI language model, I strive to provide accurate and relevant information based on the given context. Sometimes, in an attempt to provide comprehensive assistance, I may include additional information that I believe could be helpful or related to the topic at hand. However, if you specifically request a translation or a direct answer without any additional details, I will make sure to focus solely on the requested task. Please let me know if …

tchrist

Ah.

ben

This probably explains it.

tchrist

It always pads with empty truisms. Drives us crazy.

8

A: Recognizing generic ChatGPT posts

ColleenV has commented usefully: Isn't it obvious? It's vague, overly verbose and too formal for the context. It reads like a grade school essay instead of an answer by someone who has actual expertise. If you want to take an AI generated answer and make it pass for human-written, you need to ha...

> Isn't it obvious? It's vague, overly verbose and too formal for the context. It reads like a grade school essay instead of an answer by someone who has actual expertise. If you want to take an AI generated answer and make it pass for human-written, you need to have a human who understands the topic write most of it. [link]

> [It's not about] the level of writing, [what's relevant is] the structure. It also somewhat resembles a beauty pageant interview answer... Restate the question, yammer on vaguely to try to answer the question in the most generic inoffensive way possible while trying to avoid being obviously wrong, then summarize with the "takeaway" point that hopefully reminds people what the question was since they're now lost in a fog of verbosity and vagueness. [link]

Robusto

3:36 AM

I would further add that ChatGPT answers are entirely devoid of wit or charm.

CowperKettle

This work will be done by the WitGPT addon, soon to come.

tchrist

@ben Are you from Québec or elsewhere in Canada, or are you from France or Belgium or la Suisse Romande — or Haïti ou bien l'Afrique Francophone? I'm just curious. It's late at night if you're from the Eastern Hemisphere not the Western one.

ben

Yes, it creates blend content

CowperKettle

"bland"?

ben

I am from Québec!

tchrist

3:37 AM

That too. :)

@ben Ah good, that's what I had guessed.

ben

blend? I guess ^^

CowperKettle

It's 08:38 am.

ben

Are you also a fellow Quebecer?

tchrist

Mélange.

ben

Excellent. Je suis également français.

Robusto

3:39 AM

Heaven forbid that we ever get fiction from AI. When I pick up a novel or short story, I always read a few paragraphs, sometimes pages, to see if the author sets forth a convincing and interesting personality in the narration. Absent that, I put it down.

ben

It is understandable that as a reader, you value the presence of a convincing and interesting personality in the narration of a novel or short story. The human touch and creativity in storytelling often make literary works engaging and captivating. While AI-generated fiction has made significant advancements in recent years, it may not always meet the same standards or evoke the same emotional connection as human-written narratives.

** Definitely not made by AI ;) (Honestly, this is depressing)**

CowperKettle

That's prejudice against AI.

Robusto

@CowperKettle Let it litigate that. I'm curious how it will keep the jury awake.

tchrist

@ben No, although I've worked there a few times. I'm from Wisconsin so sound like I'm from Ontario. I live in Colorado now. I've worked in France, Belgium, and Genève long ago, but despite having a college minor in it, my French has largely fallen into désuétude. My only other fluent language is Spanish, although I've studied all the major Romance tongues except for Romanian, and some of the minor ones as well. It takes me a a couple weeks in Brazil or France before it smooths out better.

ben

@tchrist : Wow! Quite a story ! Sure hope to be able to travel as much as you did!

tchrist

3:44 AM

Canada always felt just like home to me; England and Australia much more so than ever the Continent did, even having lived there. South America is ... different, and Asia is bizarrely foreign in all ways.

ben

@tchrist To me, Canada and the US are almost the same. Except you get all the nice beaches, and we get all the not nice snow :p

tchrist

But Australia is a different biome than the Laurasian one. It makes it feel different. England's, and France's, are very close to that of North America, so it doesn't feel alien.

Robusto

@ben Except you have healthcare and no handgun.

ben

@tchrist What is blome?

tchrist

The plants, mostly, but also the animals.

ben

3:49 AM

@Robusto Haha yes! This is good point!

tchrist

Biome

Un biome (du grec βίος / bíos, « vie »), appelé aussi macroécosystème ou aire biotique, est un ensemble d'écosystèmes caractéristique d'une aire biogéographique et nommé à partir de la végétation et des espèces animales qui y prédominent et y sont adaptées. Il est l'expression des conditions écologiques du lieu à l'échelle régionale ou continentale : le climat qui induit le sol, les deux induisant eux-mêmes les conditions écologiques auxquelles vont répondre les communautés des plantes et des animaux du biome en question. Les biomes terrestres sont décrits par la science de la biogéographie. La...

ben

@tchrist Understand. Yes it's the same in french.

CowperKettle

I thought that the French for biome was terroir

ben

Yes Australia is wild!

Cerberus

@ben It lies.

tchrist

3:51 AM

There were at one time two supercontinents: Laurasia in the north and Gondwana in the south. The plants and trees are all different.

Laurasia gave way to North America and Eurasia. Gondwana gave way to South America and India and Africa and Australia.

ben

@tchrist Just learned that. Thanks! Also, terroir is more like a rural region or a region producing a specific agro product.

tchrist

@ben I know. :) Tell the Cowper Kettle guy.

CowperKettle

I was just joking :)

ben

Ohh yes wrong person lol

tchrist

So Australia has all these plants and animals that make no sense to us from Laurasia.

CowperKettle

3:53 AM

"Terroir" is a word I came across some time ago. It was easy to memorize, through the phrase reign of terroir

tchrist

haha

ben

So now I definitely need to go.

CowperKettle

au revoir!

ben

Why did you say that Asia is bizzarely foreign?

Au revoir :)

tchrist

@ben The people more than the biome.

The culture.

The biome is different though as you get into southeast Asia.

But the Wallace Gap separates it from old Laurasia. So do the Himalayas.

Wallace Line

The Wallace line or Wallace's line is a faunal boundary line drawn in 1859 by the British naturalist Alfred Russel Wallace and named by the English biologist T.H. Huxley that separates the biogeographical realms of Asia and 'Wallacea', a transitional zone between Asia and Australia also called the Malay Archipelago and the Indo-Australian Archipelago. To the west of the line are found organisms related to Asiatic species; to the east, a mixture of species of Asian and Australian origins is present. Wallace noticed this clear division in both land mammals and birds during his travels through the...

ben

3:56 AM

@tchrist Oh yes I can imagine. I am planning on visiting South Korea soon.

tchrist

@ben Good!

It's interesting.

ben

Just to be sure, should I also rewrite this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/76593250/… I did the same thing as for the 2 answers I provided.

tchrist

And more laid back and raucous than Japan. Because they have more land so can afford to have their elbows bump more. :)

@ben No, you don't have to. I looked at it and it didn't bug me like the bland answers did.

ben

@tchrist I plan on going to Japan during the same trip. I am an anime & sushi lover!

tchrist

hah

ben

3:58 AM

@tchrist Excellent. Thank's for your input!

tchrist

So this is what you get from being old: you become a library of experiences.

ben

@tchrist That's what they call 'la sagesse' in Québec haha!

tchrist

heh

Wisdom comes from experience. Experience comes from pain. Pain comes from mistakes.

ben

Just be curiosity, you don't have to answer but how old are you? I am 22 personally. Just asking

by*

tchrist

Au revoir.

ben

4:01 AM

@tchrist Yes those are the things only time can provide

Good night tchrist! Pleasure chatting with you!

tchrist

@ben I'm a public figure. My birthday is a matter of public record. I'm sixty.

ben

@tchrist A public figure?

tchrist

Tom Christiansen

Thomas S. "Tom" Christiansen (born February 13, 1963), nicknamed tchrist or occasionally thoth, is a Unix developer and user known for his work with the Perl programming language. Christiansen worked for several years at TSR Hobbies before attending the University of Wisconsin - Madison where he earned B.A.'s in Spanish and Computer Science, and an M.S. in Computer Science. He worked for five years at Convex Computer. In 1993, he established the Tom Christiansen Perl Consultancy, located in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin. In 2010, he joined the Biomedical Text Mining Group at the University of Colorado...

As I said, it's easy to look up my birthday. :)

ben

Omg!! I feel like a piece of **** talking to you like that. I very much respect you and your work. I will call you Monsieur for sure now. Truly sorry once again.

tchrist

Please don't worry about it.

ben

4:04 AM

Good night sir. It really was a pleasure chatting.

Were you saying au revoir to the other person?

tchrist

No, I had thought you had left.

ben

I'm not if you stay. I need to know, is "Only perl can parse Perl" inspired be "Only tex can understand TeX"? Haha!

tchrist

Hah.

No, it isn't.

It's because as with a typedef or a #define in C or C++, the parsing of perl is able to change the syntactic rules of the parser while it's running.

It's not an anything-goes thing, but it can change it.

Just as a type declaration changes the parse in C.

ben

Ohhh I get it! Clever.

Do you mind if I add you on Linkedin?

tchrist

So if you tell perl that a function takes exactly one argument versus many, you can change parses of expressions involving those functions written without parens.

@ben No, I don't mind, but I haven't gone there since you were in diapers. :)

ben

4:15 AM

@tchrist But those rules are static aren't they?

tchrist

@ben But you get to declare new functions. Consider sub func0() { ... }; sub func1($) { .... } sub func_many (@) { .... }.

The first takes no args, the second takes one arg, the last takes as many as you please.

ben

I understand. This is not possible in C++ correct?

tchrist

No, not like that. In C++ you always use parens so it is not ambiguous.

But the formal parameters guide the actual ones, and you can't do the wrong thing.

ben

I have a lot to learn.

You seem very interesting

tchrist

I'm an ogre not a troll. :)

I taught programming for...a long time.

ben

4:21 AM

A really smart and nice ogre!

tchrist

No flirting in this chat. :)

ben

I have a question if you don't mind.

tchrist

Shoot.

ben

@tchrist Sorry haha! I wasn'r flirting I'm just very surprised getting the chance to talk to someone who worked on things we use everyday. My question is: what was your involvment relating to Unix and Pearl? I am looking but cannot find details.

tchrist

It's too long a story.

I started using Perl the same day Larry Wall released it, back in December 1987. I had not been out of grad school a full year yet.

I was involved with USENIX for many years, serving on its elected Board of Directors for 4 years.

ben

4:25 AM

Wow! You knew him personally? How did you get it the same day?

tchrist

He's a close friend of mine.

But not then.

I knew his work because he wrote the patch program that we all still rely upon.

I got it the first day because it came over on the USENET group for source code distributions.

And I knew I needed it.

It took too long to write everything in C.

And shell scripts suck.

ben

They still suck lol!

user 858770

Have you ever considered doing a PhD? @tchrist

:^)

ben

I am still at my last year of my bachelor.

tchrist

@user858770 Yes and no. I deliberately left grad school with a masters when all my cohort were going on to their PhDs. Seemed too much work to me. I come from a family who goes to school too long anyway. Several doctorates in the previous generation to mine, and my brother has one.

ben

4:29 AM

But yes I will do it

How sorry we have a new user. Ididn't check

tchrist

He's not a new user. He just pretends. :)

user 858770

:)

ben

Hahaha! I'll stop asking questions now. But once again thank you for your time. It was a pleasure meeting you! Au revoir!

user 858770

You could pick up where Knuth leaves off, pal.

Cya.

ben

@user858770 Sorry english is not my first language. Who is Knuth?

or what? haha!

tchrist

4:34 AM

@ben Good night. Live long and prosper.

@ben Donald Knuth is our living....I don't know.

Donald Knuth

Donald Ervin Knuth ( kə-NOOTH; born January 10, 1938) is an American computer scientist, mathematician, and professor emeritus at Stanford University. He is the 1974 recipient of the ACM Turing Award, informally considered the Nobel Prize of computer science. Knuth has been called the "father of the analysis of algorithms".He is the author of the multi-volume work The Art of Computer Programming and contributed to the development of the rigorous analysis of the computational complexity of algorithms and systematized formal mathematical techniques for it. In the process, he also popularized the...

And he wrote TeX.

ben

Bring him in the chat!!! Hahahha

tchrist

His books were required reading.

ben

I'm kidding

@tchrist For you? Because I never heard of him.

user 858770

> Knuth has been called the "father of the analysis of algorithms".

tchrist

I took grad classes in computation theory.

So you have to read him.

ben

4:43 AM

Allright. Anyone called the father needs to be read. Haha!

CowperKettle

5:04 AM

Etymology of the day: diencephalon - from Ancient Greek δια- (dia-, “through”) + ἐγκέφαλος (enképhalos, “brain”)

CowperKettle

5:14 AM

/ˌdaɪənˈsɛfəlɒn/

jlliagre

9:18 AM

terroirist

Noun: terroirist (plural terroirists)

A person who believes in the usage of the terroir, especially one whose production or selection of wine is influenced by this concept.

Mitch

11:12 AM

@Robusto and if you add to the prompt '...and do it in a witty style' it produces the the most bland witticisms imaginable.

It is producing the literal average of all it has seen.

Robusto

12:21 PM

🌎 Jul 2, 2023 🌍
🔥 17 | Avg. Guesses: 4.45
⬜🟥🟩 = 3

globle-game.com
#globle

What, again?

#Worldle #527 1/6 (100%)
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🎉
⭐⭐⭐
https://worldle.teuteuf.fr

jlliagre

12:42 PM

🌎 Jul 2, 2023 🌍
🔥 3 | Avg. Guesses: 6.28
⬜🟩 = 2

globle-game.com
#globle
Huh!?

Robusto

1:05 PM

inorite

Wordle 743 5/6

⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛
🟨⬛🟨⬛🟩
⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛
⬛🟨🟨⬛⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

Daily Quordle 524
7️⃣5️⃣
4️⃣3️⃣
m-w.com/games/quordle/

Daily Octordle #524
5️⃣6️⃣
🔟7️⃣
8️⃣🕚
9️⃣🕛
Score: 68

jlliagre

1:22 PM

#Worldle #527 1/6 (100%)
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🎉
⭐🪙
https://worldle.teuteuf.fr

Wordle 743 6/6

⬜🟩⬜⬜⬜
⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜
⬜⬜⬜⬜🟩
🟩🟩⬜⬜🟩
🟩🟩⬜⬜🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

Daily Quordle 524
6️⃣7️⃣
4️⃣5️⃣
m-w.com/games/quordle/

Daily Octordle #524
6️⃣3️⃣
4️⃣7️⃣
8️⃣🔟
5️⃣9️⃣
Score: 52

M.A.R.

3:05 PM

@MichaelRybkin Don't mention it

Vikas

3:42 PM

Michael Rybkin

4:53 PM

youtube.com/watch?v=BJxZM8y6CTI#t=1m46s Addiction is indeed the third prong. (What are they trying to say by that?)

tchrist

6:05 PM

> A little gurgling sound ascended to the young man’s window, and made him feel as if the fountain were an immortal spirit that sung its song unceasingly and without heeding the vicissitudes around it, while one century imbodied it in marble and another scattered the perishable garniture on the soil.

Robusto

@MichaelRybkin I would suppose it means prong in a figurative sense: third part, third leg, third factor, and so on.

tchrist

@Robusto ??

Robusto

What's puzzling about that?

tchrist

I don't recall Rappaccini’s Daughter’s having prung anyone.

I was reflecting upon his use of the third form of to sing for the past.

I see no prong, or I am blind.

Robusto

It says prong right there in the subtitles.

tchrist

6:12 PM

You answered the wrong person.

Robusto

Oh, FFS.

@tchrist Can you put it on Michael's question instead?

tchrist

I can.

Robusto

I would appreciate it.

This is what I get for trying to use the 32" monitor without my glasses. I just came in from my ride and had to look something up.

Merci mon ami.

tchrist

Mine is usually the tiny pointsize I'm using here on the giant monitor after coming in from the sun and sitting too far back from the 32" monitor and the bad Verdana keming screwing me over.

Vikas

@tchrist lol

4K?

Michael Rybkin

6:27 PM

@Robusto Thank you.

Robusto

7:44 PM

@tchrist Verdana ... yuk.

jlliagre

8:01 PM

M.A.R.

I used Verdana in a Google sheets file and never touched that file again

Robusto

@jlliagre So ... where is Mordor on that chart?

M.A.R.

Goes down not up

jlliagre

@Robusto Mordor... rire :-)

2

tchrist

8:17 PM

> Mordor is a Sindarin name. It means "Black Land". It is a compound of MOR- ("black, dark") and dôr ("land").

Any resemblance to murder notwithstanding

close scrutiny.

Robusto

It does have that association, though.

jlliagre

@tchrist mdr

alphabet

8:44 PM

OK, H&P is messing with me again. They claim that this is wrong:

> He didn’t like that she had brought the children.

H&P says that you need "like it that" instead of "like that."

I think it's fine. So does NYT ("he liked that he...")

So does WaPo

> Trump has shown in just about each case that he didn’t like that he had to get tough with Russia

So does USA today

> He didn’t like that he was told he couldn’t talk about a particular candidate.

Is this only in AmE? Or are my intuitions just wrong?

Robusto

9:13 PM

What is your problem?

alphabet

There's an ELU question about this apparently

The question is whether "He didn’t like that she had brought the children" is grammatically correct.

Or whether you need ""He didn’t like it that she had brought the children"

It seems like the first form only became popular in BrE recently, after H&P wrote the book

Robusto

9:32 PM

@alphabet I'm fine with the deletion of the dummy subject.

Or, to put it another way, I like that deletion of the dummy subject is available to streamline the syntax.

jlliagre

9:45 PM

@Robusto Off topic but in French Il n'a pas aimé ça qu'elle ait amené les enfants sounds colloquial while Il n'a pas aimé qu'elle ait amené les enfants is the usual form.

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