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12:10 AM

@tchrist now that you mention that, I'm really curious

@jlliagre well, to be frank, or rather honest, or maybe sincerity? Great candor? On the level? No cap?

I forgot, where was i?

Oh yeah, to be honest, whatever you call it, having a 'you know what', even if it is very dry, doesn't really make me think that those two countries are adjacent or next to each other.

@jlliagre Booboo!!!! That'll give it away!

The tunnel to ~~Andorra~~ that place!!!

Very dry

To Andorra, that's a port!

Port d'Envalira

Port d'Envalira (el. 2408 m.) is a mountain pass in the Pyrenees in Andorra, that connects El Pas de la Casa with the rest of the country. It is the highest paved road in the Pyrenees. The climb has been featured several times at the Tour de France and Vuelta a España cycling races. The construction of a toll tunnel to avoid the mountain pass started in 1999 and opened to traffic in 2002. The tunnel is located at an altitude of about 2000 meters and is nearly 3 kilometers long. == See also == List of highest paved roads in Europe Souvenir Henri Desgrange == External links == Port d'Enva...

Re border and frontier, there's also 'march'. They use that all the time in medieval European history.

@Mitch Well, they are more adjacent than say Portugal and Gibraltar or Portugal and Morroco, especially in the sense that technically, you can go directly from country1 to country2 walking on a sidewalk.

I never understood if it referred to a border between two populated areas, or a mostly uninhabited -area- like a buffer zone.

Marche -> Marquis

12:23 AM

@jlliagre -Is- there a sidewalk you can take?

In case of emergency, definitely.

The difficulty is that it goes from a not interesting place to another not interesting place

@jlliagre well I meant for like ... Like a walking vacation

For fun

I would bet there are lots of people who would do that

Hmm I'm sending saying something tasteless.... I will back off

And turn it around .. why would people... Oh

I need to wait another hour before I can say

Ok I waited. Is the hour up yet?

@Mitch I just found that a man managed to walk the whole stuff (50 km) in 2015 before being arrested, so he definitely crossed the border walking.

@jlliagre anyway it just never made sense. Is it a place or is it between two places?

If it is a place between two places, then it's a place. Full stop

You can put in the subtitle it's between two more important places

It's something between a line and a fractal.

12:33 AM

@jlliagre between an integral dimension and a fractional dimension

A 1D object, or 1.xxD object. By extension, it can be an area.

vaguely sweeps hand pointing in some direction

Can be a DMZ too.

Who would want to be Marquis de DMZ?

That's a title for the youngest son of the youngest son

Tout va très bien, Madame la Marquise :-)

Tout va très bien madame la marquise - Ray Ventura - 1935 - With English Subtitles.

12:54 AM

Всё хорошо, прекрасная маркиза [мультфильм]

The same but in Russian

Original story: Servus Maimundus intratext.com/IXT/LAT0745/_P1F.HTM

@jlliagre Ohhhhh....I mixed that up in my head with the weird little place not too far from Andorra (but not Andorra at all) where there was a road through French territory to connect up a little spot of Spain

1:09 AM

Llivia

@jlliagre If I say "Ich gehe an die Grenze" nobody in Germany thinks I'm going to a no-man's land. They think I'm going to the border with France, or Denmark, or what have you.

Sure, not all borders are no man's land.

@jlliagre That was dark

Poor mare

Is that a well known song?

@Mitch There is a small island in the Bidassoa river that is French for six month then Spanish for the next six month, and so on.

And if someone says 'Tout va très bien' always have that sardonic feel to it (even without invoking the marquise).?

1:15 AM

Pheasant Island

Pheasant Island (French: Île des Faisans/Île de la Conférence, Spanish: Isla de los Faisanes, Basque: Konpantzia, Faisaien Uhartea Konferentziako Uhartea) is an uninhabited river island in the Bidasoa river, located between France and Spain, whose administration alternates between the two nations. == Etymology == There are no pheasants on the island. It is proposed that the name could be a misinterpretation of some French word related to "passing" or "toll". The "Conference" name could come from the international meetings held there. == History == The most important historical event t...

@Mitch Not always, no. It can be sincere.

@jlliagre That's almost as bad as Daylight Saving Time

@jlliagre Yes, why not call it Pheasant Island, since there are no pheasants there.

:6282592 Too late. I'm no only going to ever use it or hear it as sarcastic.

@Mitch You hear what you want to here.

Sarcasm is in the ear of the listener.

@Robusto I here you.

1:17 AM

No, you there. I here.

Har har

@Mitch Very well know song in France.

And in Russia.

@jlliagre Are there any good trivia TV shows in French?

-not- 'Who wants to be a millionaire'

Let's talk about Pink Floyd, rainbows, and social media....

1:18 AM

I have standards

ZOMG

Qui veut gagner des millions ? Oh, I missed the "-not-"

People think Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" album cover art is too "woke" ...

Like, fifty fucking years later ...

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@Robusto "A triangle with a rainbow inside"

Whoa, dude, that's too gay!

1:20 AM

wow

@Robusto Newton was uber-woke then

You can really judge a person by the kinds of books they have on their bookshelf

@CowperKettle He's so woke he invented a new kind of purple!

@CowperKettle And gay! Don't forget gay! Pink Floyd infected Isaac Newton with the gay virus!

@Mitch Like what?

Similar to the American 'Jeopardy!' or British 'Only Connect'

1:24 AM

@Mitch I bet there's a French Jeopardy!

@Robusto Oh I rather think he was gay well before his pink phase.

@Mitch A good trivia TV show is Burger Quiz, probably hard to follow for non natives.

Burger Quiz is a French humorous game show created by Alain Chabat and Kader Aoun, first broadcast on Canal + from August 27, 2001, to July 5, 2002, before being replayed on Comédie! Channel from 2006.A new version of the show has started on April 25, 2018, on the French channel TMC.On April 26th, 2018, it has officially become the most watched entertainment show in the history of French digital TV with 2.3 million of viewers.The first version of the show was first produced by Chez Wam, the production company of Alain Chabat, then by R&G productions. Almost always hosted by Alain Chabat the show...

@tchrist Shhhh! We have to have someone to blame for that. It's modern liberals, of course.

@jlliagre Pretty certain that the etymological fallacy applies here.

@Robusto THere's a lot of missing context, like what he says in lots of other of his podcasts. After listening to the rest of that, he's not unaware of things. I don't think I could pigeonhole him as an uneducated redneck (which is what he superficially seems like)

1:29 AM

@Mitch He only looks like a redneck.

@jlliagre That sounds like in the direction of what I am looking for.

@Robusto Like that famous Kinsey study, the Adam one, Kinsey singer, probably does drag shows now that Sillinoids won't let him back in the House.

as to 'hard to follow', the British ones can be difficult sometimes too, just like the American ones for others

questions about the goalie in the 1997 French Football championship how has a brother who is in jail.

how the hell am I supposed to know that?

I'd have to be in the country -at the time- and attending the trial to remember.

BUt some of the questions in the American quiz shows are similarly 'you had to have been alive and aware for a couple of days around that time' to know the answer.

@Mitch I fail drastically on all the Jeopardy! pop-culture items.

@jlliagre Ne explétif!

1:35 AM

Right.

like who had the best selling album of 2013?

With one name?

Adele or Rihanna?

or Beyoncé

or Cher?

or Madonna?

What happened to the rest of the names? Pleon get them?]

or Shakira?

I can't stop

Ma Donna, you have two names.

Ke$ha?

That's the Russian cereal.

1:37 AM

Tiffany?

OK...tending towards the bottom of the barrel.

Did I ever tell you I went to a Debbie Gibson concert?

One egg already.

@Mitch Before they were outlawed?

The fab one from Tiffies.

@Robusto no comment

I went willingly

Whoa, dude.

1:38 AM

I did not pay for the tickets

Not in cash

Burger quiz questions are often absurd but require some local cultural background anyway.

Le "Sel ou Poivre" de Burger Quiz - Neymar, un Homard ou les deux ?

@Mitch That one spells her name wrong.

@Mitch Tell me you were taking a date because she wanted to go. Please.

"si vous baisez avant le fin de la question..."

I think I misheard something there

@tchrist What? Is it with -two- h's?

@Robusto deflated

Yes. Mostly.

I was the date. She won them calling in to some radio show.

We were just out of college.

It's still a crime.

1:43 AM

Too expensive to pay for

We were the -oldest- people there who chose to be there.

Except for some mom's of some preteens.

@Mitch Si vous buzzez avant la fin de la question. :-)

@Mitch Should be Adelle or Adèle or Adélie.

@Robusto The folly of youth

@jlliagre !!

@jlliagre hon hon hon!1

1:44 AM

Penguins.

@tchrist Tell that to her mom.

My laddie, you cannae speller.

@tchrist That's not the correct spelling of lady, you know.

Here hear her name is not like a deal from Monty Hall.

@Robusto I was addressing M. Itch y Scratchy.

@jlliagre Also super fast and talking over each other. Who the hell is Neymar? I can't be bothered with some football guy.

snort

1:48 AM

@tchrist I understand that.

@Robusto I don't think you understand that he understands that. If I understand correctly.

@Mitch Nobody understands anything. Not really.

Overstood

très peu de gras

both

1:52 AM

@Mitch Wanking soccer pin-up doll.

Neymar?

:)

At least their shot of him was. Gosh.

I think an homard is a bogovante kind of lobster and a langouste is a langosta kind of lobster. I didn't even realize you had the big ones.

We have the idiom "make nice." I wonder where that came from. Reflecting on it, it feels like it's on some grammatical edge somewhere.

Langouste rouge

La langouste rouge ou langouste commune, Palinurus elephas, est une espèce de crustacés marins de la famille des Palinuridae (langoustes). Elle est également connue sous les noms de P. vulgaris (Latreille, 1803) et P. quadricornis (Grube, 1861). == Identification == Ce grand décapode, dépourvu de pinces, mesure jusqu’à 50 cm et pèse jusqu'à 4 kg. Le corps, segmenté, est recouvert d'une carapace chitineuse, rougeâtre à brunâtre, avec deux taches jaunâtres sur chaque segment abdominal. Les pattes et les antennes sont rayées de brun et de jaune. La tête est couverte de fortes épines et porte deux...

Les homards (Homarus) forment un genre de crustacés décapodes vivant dans la mer. Ce genre comprend deux espèces : le homard européen (appelé en France homard breton) — Homarus gammarus (Linnaeus, 1758) ; le homard américain (appelé aussi homard canadien) — Homarus americanus (H. Milne Edwards, 1837).Le homard se distingue facilement de la langouste par la présence de pinces imposantes et par une carapace moins épineuse. Les écrevisses, vivant dans les eaux douces, sont les espèces qui lui ressemblent le plus, mais plus petites (bien qu'il existe en zone tropicale des écrevisses assez grandes...

Dendrobranchiata

Los langostinos o lancostadae son una categoría comercial de crustáceos decápodos del suborden Dendrobranchiata. Son nadadores, de color rosado con vetas amarronadas y caparazón semiduro. Su longitud es de entre 12 y 15 centímetros. Se los encuentra en los mares de todo el mundo.[1] == Alimentación == Los langostinos en su vida silvestre consumen materia vegetal y materia vegetal en descomposición (algas). Se alimentan además de productos animales como crustáceos microscópicos, restos de animales, restos de peces y carroña. Algunas especies llegan a consumir peces y gusanos. En España se considera…

> Le homard se distingue facilement de la langouste

Sure, sure.

But when they're chopped and strained from a bisque, nobody will know.

> Germany won’t object if Poland sends tanks to Ukraine, foreign minister says.

@tchrist Isn't that just a Red Lobster franchise in France?

2:03 AM

@Robusto Collocated with qq Moulin Rouge.

A red mill?

I didn't know that was a restaurant chain.

> Laquelle de ces infos sur Gerard Depardieu est vraie ?
a) Il a été la voix française de Mel Gibson.

b) Il a été la voix française de Kevin Costner.

c) Il a été la voix française de John Travolta.

d) Il a été la voix française de Vladimir Poutine.

Uncle Bob's Red Mill.

@jlliagre Costner.

Can he disco?

2:05 AM

Le disco d'enfer.

@Robusto Nope, Poutine.

Wow.

I totally thought that one was an outlier.

I mean, it is.

It's a joke, but there is some truth.

SATAN!

Guerre en Ukraine: Vladimir Poutine perd le soutien de Gérard Depardieu

2:08 AM

@jlliagre Is that how you spell Putin in French, or are they mocking him?

Regular spelling.

Whoa.

Putin would be risky, if a French word, would be pronounced like putain.

Poutine is matching the Russian pronounciation, or at least is close.

Yeah, but he is a whore.

> David Crosby published a memoir in 1988 saying Cass Elliot and he used opiates, cocaine, and heroin together, preferring to use heroin in London because of its availability there.

2:15 AM

@Robusto Sure he is. We also write Lénine, Staline, Pouchkine, Potemkine, Bakounine,...

Mousseline

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2:38 AM

Cute, your cat?

@Cerberus Yes, Бегемот

He loves to lie on his back

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Named after the character in Bulgakov's novel

2:53 AM

> Behemot: (by extension) Any great and mighty monster.

Spot on!

As a child, I read this novel several times, and gave several friends to read, because the book was impossible to obtain.

3:23 AM

Australian phrase of the day: to give a gobful

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3:34 AM

> In computer simulations of possible universes, researchers have discovered that a neural network can infer the amount of matter in a whole universe by studying just one of its galaxies. quantamagazine.org/…

3:46 AM

> Selon la légende, pourquoi la ligne ferroviaire Moscou - St Petersbourg fait-elle un détour de 17km ?
a) Parce que les ouvriers étaient bourrés.
b) Parce que le froid a tordu les rails.
c) Parce que le Tsar avait laissé un doigt dépasser de sa règle.
d) Parce qu’avant il y avait un village qui a disparu depuis.

C, but this is just a legend

Our data problems are solved, our compute problems are mostly solved; it’s now mostly a matter of software, and of rethinking how we build AI. Why be so sure we can’t do that in the next 75 years? - discussion between Gary Markus, who is highly skeptical of the recent ChatGPT and similar networks, and Grady Booch, who's even more skeptical.

@CowperKettle Yes, the question says it is a legend.

I like the fact that the Russian Railways converted large swaths of the track to ribbon rail, and the train glides along without sound for longer periods

4:39 AM

Head of RT dreams of Russia once again becoming an empire

5:01 AM

> If every division commander relieved people like DePuy, I'd soon be out of lieutenant colonels and majors. He just eats them up like peanuts.

Google translates this "people like DePuy" in the wrong way (implying "relieved people who resembled DePuy" instead of "relieved people like DePuy relieves them")

A good test for an AI translation system.

5:53 AM

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Q: Why do South Asians often use "lakhs" and "crores" instead of "millions"? What is the historical origin of this system?

I noticed that South Asians often write 10,00,000 instead of 1,000,000. My questions are: What is the origin of this special numbering system? Was there a more practical reason for having a special numbering system for South Asia? Why hasn't modern South Asia reformed this redundancy, just using "...

ancient-india numbers

@M.A.R.

What a coincidence. It was answered on January 23, 2022.

6:15 AM

@Vikas I like the use of the word "redundancy". If it's not something used by Europeans, then clearly it's redundant.

I think it's just a number system somehow originated.

I use crore only to vet an idea of India's population. Around 142 crores.

1.42 in Billions.

6:39 AM

get*

@CowperKettle What's the original? So we can try it in Chat GPT.

7:40 AM

@Cerberus It's the original, from the Wiki article about DePuy. I tried translating it into Russian, and Google Translate made this logical mistake, because it's ambiguous if you don't take the subsequent sentence into account, which makes it clear.

1 hour later…

8:49 AM

@M.A.R. Also one billion is called Arab.

We have Arab people in India 🤔

1 hour later…

10:11 AM

> Frogs don't swallow water; they get all the moisture they need through their skin

2 hours later…

11:48 AM

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World's largest pizza.

12:34 PM

@CowperKettle To be baked where, in a volcano?

@Vikas You should not use crore in English when speaking outside your community. It will merely confuse us.

@tchrist I don't know how they baked it, but this is a photo from Los Angeles

12:55 PM

@CowperKettle Oh they made it on the floor of an indoor convention center. I bet that way you don't get bird poop decorating it.

Not sure that they cooked it at all.

It's almost a third of an acre.

14 kilofeetfeet.

If the area = 14001 square feet, then the square of the radius is 4456.66 square feet so the radius is 66 feet which is one chain.

So that means they attached one end of the chain to a stake in the ground and the other end to an ox who walked around in a perfect circle to create the edge of the pizza. Q.E.D.

> Pizza Hut with YouTube star Airrack’s help made the 14,001-square-foot pizza in hopes of breaking the Guinness Book of World Records title. To complete this herculean task, the company had workers lay out sheets of dough, paint on layers of tomato sauce and then, add the toppings.

The gargantuan pie had a total of 13,653 pounds of dough, 4,948 pounds of pizza sauce, more than 8,800 pounds of cheese and about 630,496 slices of pepperoni, according to CNN.

Pizza Hut’s CEO told Reuters that once the pizza is certified by the Guinness Book of World Records, it

I think this is how they make crop circles.

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Except for those elliptical ones. Those need two staked foci for your ox, not just one.

1:23 PM

@tchrist Of course.

2:08 PM

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2:27 PM

Interesting name of the country.

Couldn't guess.

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Yes, interesting country. I know someone in chat who will instantly recognize it.

Let's wait here.

Oh I know who that would be.

3:12 PM

@CowperKettle I think it's next door to the one he'll recognize.

But these clues are going to help him anyway.

🤞

> Extension of Ukraine conflict may result in new anti-US military alliance, says ex-Russian president Dmitry Medvedev

@Vikas What alliance? Russia and ... Russia?

Russia and North Korea? That's not new. It's 70 years old.

@Robusto I was thinking of name 😀

3:29 PM

I don't understand your response.

I mean I was thinking what would they name their alliance.

People of the Lie

First published in 1983, People of the Lie: The Hope For Healing Human Evil (ISBN 0 7126 1857 0) followed on from Peck's first book. Peck describes the stories of several people who came to him whom he found particularly resistant to any form of help. He came to think of them as evil and goes on to describe the characteristics of evil in psychological terms, proposing that it could become a psychiatric diagnosis. Peck points to narcissism as a type of evil in this context.

Isn't their a movie named like Bodies of Lies?

googles

Body of Lies

Could be based on it.

Body of Lies (film)

Body of Lies is a 2008 American spy thriller film directed and produced by Ridley Scott, written by William Monahan, and starring Leonardo DiCaprio and Russell Crowe in the lead roles. Set in the Middle East, it follows the attempts of the CIA and the GID of Jordan to catch "al-Saleem", a terrorist. Frustrated by their target's elusiveness, differences in their approaches strain relations between a CIA operative, his superior, and the head of Jordanian Intelligence. The supporting cast features Mark Strong, Oscar Isaac, and Golshifteh Farahani. The screenplay, based on the 2007 novel of the same...

M. Scott Peck was a psychiatrist, and his book is not a thriller.

Different things then.

3:56 PM

@Vikas It's me!

I don't think so.

@Mitch Down, boy.

@Robusto haha maybe you don't know!

Some things in chat are obvioius.

I have to throw off the stats. Maybe it's that guy, or that other guy. Add one more in so that...

Yeah, it's pretty obvious

I figured it out without even playing the game.

I can't even say what it's not because that would give up the game.

I could say it's not Antarctica.

calculates

No if I said that, even that would give enough info to disambiguate, and we'd be done here.

OK hold on.

I know what you think I'm thinking

Oh. No Not that.

The other thing

Yeah. That.

Haha pretty clever huh.

4:10 PM

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4:31 PM

@Mitch hence proved it wasn't you.

@Vikas As @Robusto said, some things in chat are obvious (once you've been here a bit). And if anything is obvious, it's that I am not a reliable narrator.

@Mitch There's no such thing as a reliable narrator.

You can rely on that.

@FaheemMitha ok... -really- unreliable.

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4:47 PM

@Mitch Like, super-duper-hyper unreliable.

in your face unreliable. Like you can really depend on it.

5:07 PM

First electric scooter from Honda Motorcycle and Scooter India will launch in March 2024.

5:23 PM

@Mitch It's always possible to improve.

To be clear, improvement would mean more reliable.

5:36 PM

@FaheemMitha To be clear, 'reliabililty' in the classic narrator means not that they are not biased or not wrong but that they follow their own rules they've set up, that they are giving a consistent view from the outside, whether it is a god-like view or a person telling you their point of view. The 'word' as written as law.

So in the Harry Potter books there is a reliable narrator... it talks about unreal things, but within that world that is created, it follows rules and you can trust that what the narrator says is the case in that world.

An unreliable narrator is one where the reader realizes that the narrator is not always telling you the truth about the world they are creating. Like in the Agatha Christie's The Murder of Roger Ackroyd, the narrator... er no spoilers... as in a classic detective story presents a number of suspects but leaves out a suspect on purpose.

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@Mitch I thought this was in the context of the real world, rather than fiction.

5:52 PM

@FaheemMitha Oh

Well, yeah. Everybody is a liar.

@Mitch "House" expressed that more compactly.

But the term 'unreliable narrator' is usually understood as from literary criticism.

"Everybody lies."

@FaheemMitha OK now do it one word.

@Mitch Oh. Well, you were talking about yourself. And you're not a fictional character (I assume) so I took it in a literal sense.

@Mitch That is left as an exercise for the reader.

5:55 PM

@Mitch Kremlin.

@FaheemMitha I'm working on it.

@Vikas :)

LOL

@FaheemMitha well, that would be -very- unreliable if you found out, thinking all along that I was a bot, but it turned out I am a real person.

@Vikas The kremlin doesn't have a monopoly on lying.

@Mitch Well, you are a real person.

But they're really really good at it.

5:57 PM

At least, that's my working assumption. So I don't think you're a bot.

@FaheemMitha That's arguable.

We've established fairly reliably that I'm a time traveler.

It's not clear exactly which time or how I got here

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