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12:01 AM
Probably my PC cannot visualize some Bash hats
 
Sometimes foreigners see doors labelled tirar or empujar and get confused about the pushing and pulling bit. I think there's somewhere from South America that reverses the normal sense of tirar, leading to confusion.
 
It's tirer au HTML
 
@CowperKettle Oh it can: that's what it's supposed to do.
 
It's the Not Found hat. You have to go to some page that brings up Alice in Wonderland on ELU.
> tirador, ra
1. m. y f. Persona que tira.

2. m. y f. Persona que tira con cierta destreza y habilidad. Tirador de escopeta, de barra.

3. m. y f. Persona que practica la esgrima.

4. m. y f. Persona que estira.

5. m. Instrumento con que se estira.

6. m. Asidero del cual se tira para abrir o cerrar una puerta, un cajón, una gaveta, etc.

7. m. Cordón, cinta, cadenilla o alambre del que se tira para hacer sonar la campanilla o el timbre.

8. m. Regla de hierro que usan los picapedreros.

9. m. Pluma metálica que sirve de tiralíneas.
Notwithstanding the agent noun I just showed, the verb tirar in Spanish, like the verb tirer in French, has LOTS AND LOTS of different possible uses.
 
12:06 AM
> 2. ÉQUIT., CAVALERIE. [Le suj. désigne le cheval]
− Tirer à la main. Résister à la bride. (Ds Lar. 19e-GDEL).
− Tirer au renard. S'arc-bouter pour tirer violemment sur la longe en vue de se libérer (d'apr. St-Riquier-Delp. 1975). Le cheval, un instant, tire au renard... s'écarte... (Vialar, Éperon arg., 1952, p. 53).
− Tirer au vent. Relever la tête et par conséquent ne plus répondre/obéir à la main du cavalier (d'apr. Rigaud, Dict. arg. mod., 1881, p. 366).
− Argot
♦ Tirer au cul. Reculer (dans les brancards); refuser d'avancer. Au fig., pop., vulg. V. cul I A 1 f δ fig.
 
Very much so.
Some are ... "colorful".
> 38. prnl. coloq. Poseer sexualmente a alguien.
 
> From Middle French tirer (“to draw, draw a sword”), from Old French tirer (“to draw, pull out with great effort, snatch violently, tear away”)
 
See, this is the push/pull directional thing.
 
Same connotations in French: tirer un coup. Tirer au flanc means, for a horse, to go sideways while tirer au cul is to go backward, to refuse to move.
 
You pull the door open but you throw yourself on the bed. It's weird that those should be the same verb.
> 37. prnl. Echarse, tenderse en el suelo o encima de algo. Tirarse en la cama.
> 2. tr. Arrojar, lanzar en dirección determinada. Juan tiraba piedras a Diego.
"Juan was throwing stones at Diego."
Tossing them at him.
Oh this is the problem one:
> 17. tr. Cuba, R. Dom. y Ven. Cerrar con fuerza algo, especialmente una puerta.
So in those places it's for slamming a door shut, not for opening it. No wonder they get confused. :)
Do they shout Tirez to mean Fire! in French?
 
12:15 AM
They say Feu !
 
Ah.
I'm talking about projectile weapons, you did realize, right?
 
Yes, Tirez ! is also possible.
 
Whether for your archers to launch a volley of arrows, or your fusiliers their fusillade.
It's a common use in Spanish.
 
You would probably only say Tirez ! if there are no firearms.
 
> 6. tr. Disparar la carga de un arma de fuego, o un artificio explosivo. Tirar un cañonazo, un cohete. U. t. c. intr. Tirar al alto, al blanco, a un venado.
@jlliagre Interesting.
Cohetes are rockets.
Well, like for fireworks.
 
12:20 AM
Roquettes (weapons) or fusées (space, fireworks)
 
Word of the day: kissing bugs
> During the Beagle survey voyage, Charles Darwin noted in his journal for 26 March 1835 having "experienced an attack, & it deserves no less a name, of the Benchuca, the great black bug of the Pampas. It is most disgusting to feel soft wingless insects, about an inch long, crawling over ones body; before sucking they are quite thin, but afterwards round & bloated with blood, & in this state they are easily squashed." ... Darwin is speculated to have died from chronic Chagas disease.
 
Saturn V, dit Saturn 5, est un lanceur spatial super lourd de la famille Saturn, développé dans les années 1960 par l'agence spatiale américaine, la NASA, pour le programme lunaire Apollo. Utilisé entre 1967 et 1973, il a placé en orbite terrestre, sans aucun échec, les vaisseaux qui ont déposé les astronautes américains sur le sol lunaire. Cette énorme fusée d'un peu plus de 3 000 tonnes — détenant toujours, en 2022, les records de masse et de capacité d'emport — est capable de placer jusqu'à 140 tonnes en orbite basse terrestre pour les dernières missions Apollo. Elle est développée dans ...
"un lanceur spatial" well ok sure
 
For much of his adult life, Charles Darwin's health was repeatedly compromised by an uncommon combination of symptoms, leaving him severely debilitated for long periods of time. However, in some ways this may have helped his work, and Charles Darwin wrote "Even ill-health, though it has annihilated several years of my life, has saved me from the distractions of society and amusement."He consulted numerous doctors, but, with the medical science of the time, the cause remained undiagnosed. He tried all available treatments, but, at best, they had only temporary success. More recently, there has been...
Whoa, a huge article.
 
He was forever traipsing around in exotic locales full of things that bite you, both tiny and large.
> For over forty years Darwin suffered intermittently from various combinations of symptoms such as: malaise, vertigo, dizziness, muscle spasms and tremors, vomiting, cramps and colics, bloating and nocturnal intestinal gas, headaches, alterations of vision, severe tiredness, nervous exhaustion, dyspnea, skin problems such as blisters all over the scalp and eczema, crying, anxiety, sensation of impending death and loss of consciousness, fainting, tachycardia, insomnia, tinnitus, and depression.
And who among us has not suffered those? :)
 
> By far the best way to solve the longstanding enigma of Darwin’s illness would be to exhume the corpse from his grave at Westminster Abbey and to perform immunological analyses and/or look for DNA traces of the protozoan. (Botto & Medel, 2021) revchilhistnat.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/…
 
12:27 AM
Protists are ubiquitous.
I think I read this week that they just found a huge whole lot of them that they didn't even know existed.
> Scientists discover a new supergroup of rare single-celled predators
Rare microbes form two branches of a supergroup, a classification above kingdoms.
> In nomenclature worthy of Dr. Seuss, their discoverers named the two groups Nebulidia and Nibbleridia, respectively. They share parts of their body plan with distant relatives, indicating that their lineage is an ancient one.
Provora is a proposed supergroup of eukaryotes made up of predatory microbes, "devouring voracious protists". It was reported that ten strains were isolated and cultured in 2022. They are predators of other microorganisms. Their discovery was very delayed, compared to other microorganisms in their environments, due to their rarity. Their 18S is very different from that of other eukaryotes, thus they were taxonomically placed in a separate supergroup. == Phylogeny == === External relationships === The supergroup Provora is composed of eukaryotic strains that form an ancient lineage withi...
Sounds like some drug name.
> Amoebae do not form a single taxonomic group; instead, they are found in every major lineage of eukaryotic organisms. Amoeboid cells occur not only among the protozoa, but also in fungi, algae, and animals.
Weird, I'd thought them all protists.
 
> so in June he went "geologising" in Scotland and felt fully recuperated
It must be great to walk in Scotland in June.
 
Yes. Just like anywhere with high meadows in the full flush of spring, I bet.
> The first description of the species was provided by French botanist Jean Marchant in 1727, who referred to it as "fleur de tan" (bark flower); Marchant also classified it as "des éponges" (one of the sponges).[3] Carl Linnaeus called it Mucor septicus in his 1763 Species Plantarum. [4] The species was transferred to the genus Fuligo by German botanist Friedrich Heinrich Wiggers in 1780.
That's like Gene Wolfe's fuligin for a color that's "blacker than black". It's from soot, but the dog-vomit slime mold species Fuligo septicus is bright yellow.
And indeed, Wolfe had a character named Mucor in his works. A rather odd girl, possibly dead.
> Mucor: a strange girl who has little interaction with other humans, but who has an amazing ability - she can remotely project her consciousness into other people, and speak with their voices, and gain information from them, while inhabiting them. She is mentally ill and anorexic, partly due to a botched brain surgery attempting to remove her power. Like Chenille, she was also a frozen embryo chosen for special genetic traits (i.e. this ability to possess others).
Oh that's right.
The Book of the Long Sun (1993–1996) is a series of four science fantasy novels or one four-volume novel by the American author Gene Wolfe. It is set in the same universe as The Book of the New Sun series that Wolfe inaugurated in 1980, and the Internet Science Fiction Database catalogs them both as sub-series of the "Solar Cycle", along with other writings.The Long Sun story is continued in The Book of the Short Sun (1999–2001), a series of three novels or one in three volumes. In Short Sun the relation to the original New Sun is made clear. The Mythopoeic Society considered The Book of the Sun...
It's from there.
I did find those middle volumes slower reads than those of The Book of the New Sun that preceded them or those of The Book of the Short Sun that followed them.
 
12:55 AM
@CowperKettle I read that even if they do, it would be months before they could be set up and the soldiers trained on their use.
 
@CowperKettle I believe it has already been set in motion.
I do not know whether training of Ukrainians already began before approval.
 
@Robusto Kind of. One theory is that those months of training are already en train.
Jinx.
 
Although comments from the Ukrainian high commander suggest otherwise.
 
Of course they do. :)
 
But he may have been instructed not to tell.
 
1:00 AM
Yep.
> The Army said it currently has 16 Patriot battalions. A 2018 International Institute for Strategic Studies report found those battalions operate 50 batteries, which have more than 1,200 missile interceptors. The U.S. batteries are regularly deployed around the world.
 
In addition, other weapons that Ukrainians were said to need a long time to train for were used by them successfully in a much shorter time, so we shall see.
 
No, indeed.
One thing that could be interesting is if Biden should send Americans with a Patriot battery to Kiev.
There would be no risk of close confrontation with Russian troops.
And the Americans wouldn't be hitting any Russian troops.
Though what would happen if the Russians should manage to hit the Americans?
 
I don't think he would dare that.
 
@tchrist You have a broken image link on your name.
 
1:11 AM
@Robusto hee hee
 
What is more, I believe a group of Patriot operators will be hundreds of men.
Yeah, I don't think he would.
 
It's one thing to supply weapons, but there would be an outcry if Americans were dying in that fight.
 
Yeah.
Then again, couldn't Biden manage that?
Declare his outrage, and continued support for Ukraine?
 
@Cerberus Yes, they may number as many as a quarter-Legion.
 
A thousand?
 
1:13 AM
Yes.
 
@Cerberus Faux News would be screaming bloody murder.
 
Or which century are we speaking of...
@Robusto Which would force Republicans to return to strong support for Ukraine.
 
Maybe. I doubt it, though.
 
American battalions have a wide range of numbers of personnel, varying by type of battalion. I don't know what those manning the Patriot launchers and all their support crew number.
 
I read it was hundreds.
 
1:15 AM
I think battalion strength ranges from 300 to 1200
Gosh that's a lot of people.
 
How many?
> Yet the U.N. migration agency said more than 5 million people who were displaced within or outside Ukraine since Russia invaded have returned.
> The International Organization for Migration said a Nov. 25-Dec. 5 phone survey of 2,002 respondents in Ukraine found that only 7% were considering leaving.
 
I can't find the total battalion head counts. It takes about 90 troops just to man the batteries proper.
 
So few?
 
That's just the launchers. Not any of the rest of it, like radar etc.
Like I said, a US battalion's head count will be 300 to 1200. I don't know where these would fall along that line.
Putting them in Kiev makes sense. I'm convinced Putin will continue to try to take the capital.
 
Right.
The Ukrainians seem to think he will, too.
 
1:23 AM
And I believe he will keep trying as long as he lives, or stays in power, whichever comes first.
It's the only way he can continue both those things.
 
Or as long as he sees any possibility.
I suspect he might be a bit more cautious next time.
And I don't think taking Kiev will have become any easier.
 
Than a year ago? Certainly he will be less ill informed. But he will be more determined than ever.
 
Than in February: Ukraine is now better armed and better prepared.
 
He has revealed his true colors to the world: those of a murderous autocrat bent on flouting the new world order that was established post WW2 and proving that it cannot contain his compulsive territorial hunger trying to rewrite other nations' borders.
 
Indeed.
 
1:30 AM
I don't see any way he can ever accept a worldview where that is no longer possible for him.
But I have little imagination.
 
Perhaps he cannot; but that does not mean he will try to take Kiev again if he knows he cannot.
 
I'm pretty sure he's perfectly fine with annihilating Kiev if he cannot have it for his own.
Putting the lie to his earlier claims that it was the cultural heart of the Rus.
 
I don't know.
He has shown that he is fine with destroying Mariupol.
But the result was indeed a conquest of what was left of the city.
Would he destroy Kiev using atomics if he knew he could not capture it after?
 
He's been so demonized that it's hard for us, for me, to envision any atrocity as beyond him.
I don't think he is an irrational actor in his own mind.
 
No, indeed.
He just wants to conquer Ukraine.
 
1:37 AM
He does things for deliberate reasons, and also chooses not to do certain other things again for reasons.
 
Which desire may be irrational, but he tries to use rational means to fulfil it.
 
Yes.
 
So I think a plainly futile attempt on Kiev, he will not make.
On or upon?
 
Either.
 
Right.
 
1:39 AM
He cannot be seen to have failed. No supreme Russian leader has ever held on to power after a great loss.
 
I'm still amazed at the failure of their attempt upon Charkov when the war began.
@tchrist He could spin it in some way.
 
He could try.
 
Who ever expected that Charkov could hold against a full Russian invasion, so close to the border?
 
For decades, if not centuries, Russia has used sleight-of-mind-and-hand tricks to make the world believe its military power to be of the very highest calibre. This unthinkably botched adventure has shown everyone that it was largely bluster. I don't know how much of this he himself even understood at the start, but it must eat at him now.
 
He must understand much of it now.
 
1:46 AM
Another marvel is that Ukraine didn't just curl up and die when the paper tiger attacked. Somehow they either knew how flimsy Russia was, or else so fervently desired that it were so just long enough to hold out until proven true.
 
Probably the latter, in addition to four years of Western training and equipment.
 
Remember when during the would-be Blitzkrieg Zelensky was offered asylum by the West and he replied that he needed ammo not a ride? That was so long ago now.
 
Yes.
 
A lightning war whose armor column ran out of food and fuel.
 
Feb 25 at 15:30, by Cerberus
So they will capture him eventually, or soon.
Nope.
 
1:54 AM
Even the wise cannot see all ends.
 
Neither Denethor nor Saruman can.
But this was probably something said by Elrond or Gandalf?
 
2:06 AM
> Deserves death! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give that to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends.
That was Frodo remembering Gandalf's earlier advice.
Or perhaps a mental message from Gandalf in real time. He did do that at times.
> 'I daresay,' said Frodo. `But what he means to do is another matter.' He paused for a while in thought. Gollum lay still, but stopped whimpering. Sam stood glowering over him.

It seemed to Frodo then that he heard, quite plainly but far off, voices out of the past:

What a pity Bilbo did not stub the vile creature, when he had a chance!

Pity? It was Pity that stayed his hand. Pity, and Mercy: not to strike without need.

I do not feel any pity for Gollum. He deserves death.

Deserves death! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give tha
That was in the Two Towers. Earlier in the Fellowship we find the original.
> ‘But this is terrible!’ cried Frodo. ‘Far worse than the worst that I imagined from your hints and warnings. O Gandalf, best of friends, what am I to do? For now I am really afraid. What am I to do? What a pity that Bilbo did not stab that vile creature, when he had a chance!’

‘Pity? It was Pity that stayed his hand. Pity, and Mercy: not to strike without need. And he has been well rewarded, Frodo. Be sure that he took so little hurt from the evil, and escaped in the end, because he began his ownership of the Ring so. With Pity.’
 
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You can go insane from too much reading in Schoenersville, Pennsylvania
I wonder how one can cut one's own head. Self-made guillotine?
 
2:26 AM
> State of Pennsylvania. Fearing that his illness was incurable, Morgan Ott, of Schoenersville,
committed suicide by almost severing his head with a razor. The act was committed in sight of
his sister. Ott was thirty-three years old.
From Volume 29, Number 22, Friday, September 14, 1906.
Not a pretty sight, I'm sure, for such a pretty burgh.
 
> "A grunt was all reply he got; he shaved the bushman's chin,
Then made the water boiling hot and dipped the razor in.
He raised his hand, his brow grew black, he paused awhile to gloat,
Then slashed the red-hot razor-back across his victim's throat"
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> He was known to record songs in the legacy of Australia, particularly of bush life and renowned Australian bush poets Henry Lawson and Banjo Paterson that represented the lifestyle.
> David Gordon Kirkpatrick was born on 13 June 1927 in Nulla Nulla Creek west of Kempsey, New South Wales, the son of a cattle farmer.
A nice rendition.
 
 
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3:51 AM
More dead people.
> As the coronavirus pandemic approaches its third full winter, two studies reveal an uncomfortable truth: The toxicity of partisan politics is fueling an overall increase in mortality rates for working-age Americans.

In one study, researchers concluded that people living in more-conservative parts of the United States disproportionately bore the burden of illness and death linked to covid-19. The other, which looked at health outcomes more broadly, found that the more conservative a state’s policies, the shorter the lives of working-age people.
The "Tote that barge, lift that bale" mentality is neverending there.
From here.
 
4:08 AM
@Mitch 👍🏽
 
5:07 AM
@tchrist Mentality that lays the brunt of the problem on the poorest citizens?
I first thought that this was an idiom, and googled for "tote that barge", but turns out that it's a quote from a well-known song.
 
 
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6:59 AM
@tchrist In the real world, normally the best approach is to kill someone who might pose a threat. It worked well for the man who eventually became Augustus Caesar.
It's worked well for many other people too.
 
7:59 AM
@tchrist Here, too, poor people suffered more from it.
Generally because they are less healthy, and less well informed, and less able to distance themselves from other at work and/or at home.
 
8:23 AM
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A catholic nun who developed a kernel implementing BASIC.
> You know how us Catholic girls can be
We make up for so much time a little too late
I never forgot it, confusing as it was
No fun with no guilt feelings
The sinners, the saviors, the lover-less priests
I'll see you next Sunday
 
 
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10:31 AM
Word of the day: chugger
> Blend of charity +‎ mugger
Moon Base Xmas display, instead of Nativity display, at a London children's hospital
 
 
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2:32 PM
> Which celebrity is always ready for cereal?
Reese. With her spoon.
 
3:14 PM
 
@tchrist Did you take that?
 
Roads taken by Dutch motorists during a holiday season.
 
@Robusto Nope. From here.
But I've had a bear in my yard that looked quite like that one before.
 
3:29 PM
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@tchrist Could you tell if it was black or grizz?
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@jlliagre I didn't do the worldle today. I'm not doing tiny islands while I'm sick.
 
@Robusto Yes. "By definition", it was a black bear because we have no brown bears left in Colorado for a century now. It's just that many of our black bears are brown.
 
I wouldn't want to bet my life on that definition.
 
Yes, we always wonder if they'll come crawling down from Wyoming as the wolves have done. I never know what people want to know when they ask me whether I saw a black bear. This is why you should capitalize common names of animals. "Was it a Black Bear?" has a clear answer. The other question does not.
Many warblers are yellow, but only one species is a Yellow Warbler.
Many jays are blue, but only one is a Blue Jay.
 
Haha: "If it's black, fight back. If it's brown, lie down. If it's white, say good-night." Yeah, you certainly don't want to run into a polar bear.
 
Many bears are black, and many bears are brown, but a Black Bear can be brown without being a Brown Bear.
 
3:37 PM
If it's rainbow colored?
 
That's an LSD Bear.
 
I was thinking it might be a Gay Bear.
 
A parti-colored bear is just a polar bear that the local fraternity spray-painted while it was sleeping.
People do this. It's very bad for the bears.
Because they stop being able to sneak up on seals.
 
@tchrist Seriously?
 
Yes.
They use only a single color, but the use it to write silly things on the bear.
 
3:41 PM
Why?
I don't understand that kind of behavior.
 
Stupid people.
 
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4:01 PM
> A record number of firearms was confiscated from US airport passengers in 2022, transport officials have said.
I wonder why the BBC used was there instead of were. @tchrist?
 
Because number is singular.
A number was confiscated.
 
Which number? Three? Thirty-seven thousand?
Board is singular, but Brits commonly will say "The board were interested in a different methodology."
Americans will singularize that.
 
> Surgeries are also performed in patients with very severe epilepsy, sometimes needing lobar or multilobar resections, even including spherectomy or disconnections
I thought there were only two lobes in the brain.
Oh, there's four.
There're four.
 
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4:18 PM
@Robusto Analphabetic philistines, the whole lot of them, that's why.
A number of BBC announcers is always wrong.
A number of people is here.
See?
There is no people here. It has to be are when people are involved. Preterminers don't matter. A lot of people *has been maltaught.
You might be able to say What number of people is better, two or twenty?, but it would give pause.
What's the most racist nursery rhyme of all?
> Baa, baa, black sheep,
Have you any wool?
Yes sir, yes sir,
Three bags full.
One for the master,
One for the dame,
And one for the little boy
Who lives down the lane.
MASTER!!!! BOY !!!!! BLACKKKKKKKKKK SHEEPLZ!!!!!!!!!!!
 
4:57 PM
Literally Hitler
 
5:24 PM
@tchrist Well, you can say The number was low, not The number were low. But it would sound wrong to me to say The number of people were low.
 
@Robusto Sometimes, yes. But hardly always.
Why are some people running around outside right now with short-shorts, but others in parkas?
 
5:55 PM
@tchrist True.
 
6:16 PM
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A: Why do police use the word "individual" instead of "person"?

RobustoWithout putting too fine a point on it, this is an example of officialese or bureaucratese: the language constraints adopted by governments and other organizations to make their communications more official-sounding. It is the next-of-kin to pomposity. According to Wikipedia: Officialese, bureau...

 
7:02 PM
@tchrist This is the very definition of "feet of clay" ...
 
7:19 PM
@Robusto Porque no se mezcla el hierro con el barro.
> ⁴¹ Tu as vu les pieds et les orteils en partie en argile de potier et en partie en fer. De même, ce royaume sera divisé, mais il y aura en lui quelque chose de la force du fer, parce que tu as vu le fer mélangé à l’argile.
⁴² Les doigts des pieds étaient en partie en fer et en partie en argile. De même, ce royaume sera en partie fort et en partie fragile.
⁴³ Tu as vu le fer mélangé à l’argile parce qu’ils feront des alliances tout humaines. Cependant, ils ne seront pas vraiment unis l’un à l’autre, de même qu’on ne peut allier le fer à l’argile.
> ⁴¹ Y lo que viste de los pies y los dedos, en parte de barro cocido de alfarero, y en parte de hierro, el reino será dividido; mas habrá en él algo de fortaleza de hierro, según que viste el hierro mezclado con el tiesto de barro.
⁴² Y por ser los dedos de los pies en parte de hierro, y en parte de barro cocido, en parte será el reino fuerte, y en parte será frágil.
⁴³ Cuanto á aquello que viste, el hierro mezclado con tiesto de barro, mezclaránse con simiente humana, mas no se pegarán el uno con el otro, como el hierro no se mistura con el tiesto.
> 41 Los pies y los dedos que viste, mitad de barro de alfarero y mitad de hierro, significan que habrá un reino dividido: será sólido como el hierro, pues viste cómo el barro estaba mezclado con hierro.
42 Los dedos de los pies, mitad de hierro y mitad de barro, significan que el reino será al mismo tiempo sólido y frágil.
43 Los linajes se mezclarán, del mismo modo que viste mezclados hierro y barro, pero no se fundirán, pues hierro y barro no pueden fundirse.
> ⁴¹ Porro quia vidisti pedum, et digitorum partem testae figuli, et partem ferream, regnum divisum erit: quod tamen de plantario ferri orietur, secundum quod vidisti ferrum mistum testae ex luto. ⁴² Et digitos pedum ex parte ferreos, et ex parte fictiles: ex parte regnum erit solidum, et ex parte contritum. ⁴³ Quod autem vidisti ferrum mistum testae ex luto, commiscebuntur quidem humano semine, sed non adhaerebunt sibi, sicut ferrum misceri non potest testae.
The Latin actually fits within the permissible line length here. The Spanish and French do not.
English isn't even close to fitting, no matter the translation.
> 41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
> 41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. 42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. 43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.
Oh that one fit.
The KJV did not.
I blame the sawests.
Her joke about "nata" is because of the tasty sweet confectionary cream of that name.
Like in "cream"-filled pastries.
Chantilly cream, so sweetened whipped cream with some vanilla added.
La crème chantilly (ou simplement appelée la chantilly) est une crème fouettée, souvent sucrée et parfois aromatisée. == Description == La crème chantilly et la crème fouettée sont des crèmes foisonnées (incorporation d'air par fouettage). La crème chantilly est réalisée avec de la crème fraîche liquide, crème fleurette ou crème à fouetter UHT ou stérilisée,. La crème fouettée contient 75 % de crème ou de crème légère, elle peut être sucrée et contenir des ferments lactiques, des arômes naturels ou artificiels, des stabilisants et des protéines de lait. La véritable crème chantilly, elle, est un...
 
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Also known as simply whipped cream.
 
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Noun: Chantilly cream (uncountable)
  1. Whipped cream sweetened and flavoured with vanilla.
 
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@Cerberus Yes, I guess most (and perhaps all?) whipped scream is sweetened, isn't it?
A profiterole (French: [pʁɔfitʁɔl]), cream puff (US), or chou à la crème (French: [ʃu a la kʁɛm]) is a filled French and Italian choux pastry ball with a typically sweet and moist filling of whipped cream, custard, pastry cream, or ice cream. The puffs may be decorated or left plain or garnished with chocolate sauce, caramel, or a dusting of powdered sugar. Savory profiterole are also made, filled with pureed meats, cheese, and so on. These were formerly common garnishes for soups.The various names may be associated with particular variants of filling or sauce in different places. == Preparation... ==
Oh right, "pastry cream" isn't identical to "whipped cream" in all contexts.
 
> profit +‎ -erole This etymology is incomplete. You can help Wiktionary by elaborating on the origins of this term.
A moorkop is a pastry consisting of a profiterole (cream puff) filled with whipped cream. The top of the profiterole is glazed with white or dark chocolate. Often there is whipped cream on the top, with a slice of tangerine or a piece of pineapple. == See also == List of choux pastry dishes List of pastries food portal == External links ==
The Dutch Upgrade
 
Even my neighborhood pâtisserie just calls them cream puffs here, not "profiteroles".
> Pronunciation: Brit. /prəˈfɪtərəʊl/, U.S. /prəˈfɪdəˌroʊl/, /ˈprɔfɪdəˌroʊl/, /ˈprɑfɪdəˌroʊl/
Forms: 1500s prophitrole, 1500s prophytrolle, 1700s profitrole, 1700s profitrolle, 1800s– profiterole, 1900s– profiterolle. (Show Less)
Origin: Apparently a borrowing from French. Etymon: French profiterole.
Etymology: Apparently < Middle French, French profiterole (although this is first attested later in the sense relevant to sense 1: 1549; 1881 in sense 2) < profit profit n. + -erole , diminutive suffix (extended form of -ole -ole suffix1).
> Pronunciation: Brit. /ˌkriːm ˈpʌf/, /ˈkriːm pʌf/, U.S. /ˈkrim ˌpəf/
Origin: Formed within English, by compounding. Etymons: cream n.2, puff n.
Etymology: < cream n.2 + puff n.
In sense 2 apparently so called with allusion to the appearance of an exploding shell. With sense 5 compare earlier puff n. 8d. In sense 6 rhyming slang for huff n.

1. A puff pastry case, typically round, and filled with cream.
 
The Philadelphia Inquirer, Pennsylvania, December 7, 1922
 
Heh.
 
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@Robusto Today's Worldle ;-)
 
@jlliagre Haha, nice.
 
@CowperKettle Notice the first will is deontic for volition/wanting/permission but the second will there is epistemic used for probability of outcome. This is terribly hard to explain to rank beginners first learning English, or at least terribly explained or perhaps terribly infrequently explained.
 
Maybe it should't be explained, they should just be forced to read a lot
 
YES!!!!!!!
That's the whole problem.
Nobody learns this crap by somebody else explaining it.
They learn it by experiencing it.
 
Neural networks are like this ))
 
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I know.
 
The worst pupils are always in the back benches, that's why the backpropagation doesn't reach them as well, and they study badly.
Simple neural net theory.
 
Here's another one of those that isn't often explained to beginners. I don't know where this person is from, but they may not be Indo-European. I looked pretty hard for a duplicate for the following, but just couldn't find it:
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A: How to use adverbial phrases with season/year?

tchristMeasure for Measure Measure phrases are a subtype of noun phrase that enjoy various special syntactic properties. One of these properties is that measure phrases of time, duration, and frequency can function as adjuncts all on their own, modifying other syntactic elements without needing any prep...

I ran for three hours yesterday.
I ran three hours yesterday.
I ran for three miles yesterday.
I ran three miles yesterday.
 
I wanted to ask on the main site about the meaning of over in get one's leg over.
 
It's NOT like three miles is the object of the verb. It's not transitive, after all. It's an adverbial adjunct, whether with a preposition or without it.
Like Get one's leg over the fence without scratching it?
Or just plain get it over, period?
 
Yes, I think it's "get it over, period"
 
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Oh.
 
Leg is an euphemism for erection here, I think.
 
That's when you're putting on pants.
And your knee is too big.
So you just can't get your leg over.
I dunno.
I'm not as well studied of erector sets as I clearly should be.
 
Verb: get one's leg over (third-person singular simple present gets one's leg over, present participle getting one's leg over, simple past got one's leg over, past participle (UK) got one's leg over or (US) gotten one's leg over)
  1. (intransitive, slang) To have sex
  2. Used other than figuratively or idiomatically: see get,‎ one's,‎ leg,‎ over.
 
WTF?
They make things up.
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I came across this phrase two days ago, and was wondering about hte meaning of "over".
 
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No fucking idea. It's someone's purple phantasy.
 
Noun: legover (plural legovers)
  1. (slang) An act of sexual intercourse.
  2. 2010, Paul Thomas, The Ihaka Trilogy (volume 1, page 201)
  3. “A legover?” she said. “How romantic.”
  4. 2012, George East, Death Duty
  5. What do you want me to do, exactly? Go in and ask him if he fancies a date with possibilities of a legover later?
Probably a phrase not used much.
 
Some sort of kidslang, or kitslenk even.
Bridder kits, apparently.
> Origin: Formed within English, by compounding. Etymons: leg n., over adv.
Etymology: < leg n. + over adv., after to get (also †lay, †lift, have, throw) one's leg over at leg n. Phrases 3e.

𝑩𝒓𝒊𝒕𝒊𝒔𝒉 𝒔𝒍𝒂𝒏𝒈.

1. An act of sexual intercourse. Cf. to get (also †lay, †lift, have, throw) one's leg over at leg n. Phrases 3e.

1975 Time Out 7 Mar. 25/4 Alan Price showing those M'mselles (‘Oooh, Alfee!’) what a British leg over is all about.
1992 Daily Star 2 July 9/2 Imagine how much easier life would be if every time they indulged in an extra-marital legover they got away with
Gives new meaning to a London layover.
Or to Foghorn Leghorn.
 
@CowperKettle If you're able to read this article, without saying too much, does it come off as either invented propaganda or as surprising (maybe unsurprising) revelations of how hard it is for those poor people dying there?
 
@tchrist I read a short (two paragraphs) retelling in Meduza, and I don't know.
 
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Maybe war is supposed to be terrible.
 
Whether it is supposed to be or not, surely it must always be so. No major conflict before this has had mass in situ real-time cell-phone reportage on social media. Before this it was much easier to block horrible imagery from leaking out.
 
> “This is a big burden for us,” Mr. Peskov said, depicting Russia as taking on all of NATO’s military might in Ukraine. “It was just very hard to believe in such cynicism and in such bloodthirstiness on the part of the collective West.”
 
Controlled domestic messaging.
It is surely true at some level that the burden is great.
"The White Man's Burden" (1899), by Rudyard Kipling, is a poem about the Philippine–American War (1899–1902) that exhorts the United States to assume colonial control of the Filipino people and their country. Originally written to celebrate the Diamond Jubilee of Queen Victoria (22 June 1897), the jingoistic poem was replaced with the sombre "Recessional" (1897), also a Kipling poem about empire. In "The White Man's Burden", Kipling encouraged the American annexation and colonisation of the Philippine Islands, a Pacific Ocean archipelago conquered in the three-month Spanish–American War (1898)...
 
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Jingo bells, Jingo bells, Jingo all the way.
I wonder what the Old English or Old Norse word for archipelago was.
 
@CowperKettle Uh... sorta but not the way you think. Probably better to just say no that's not how neural nets work.
What you call 'experience' is not what neural nets are usually given.
 
> Then, in 2012, that minister — in charge of dragging the military out of its post-Soviet dysfunction — became embroiled in a corruption scandal himself. Mr. Putin replaced him with Sergei K. Shoigu, who had no military experience but was seen as someone who could smooth ruffled feathers.
@Mitch Yes, I was just joking ))
 
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> How do you cut the ocean in half?
Use a sea saw.
 
@tchrist Merci.
> Down long corridors guarded by locks with facial detection, behind doors sealed with wax to detect intruders, teams of women tracked the Russian troops from small listening booths while their friends and relatives grabbed rifles to patrol the streets.
Lovely writing.
Except for the ungainly cliché team.
 
@CowperKettle Something of a balancing a act, yeah?
 
> The Ukrainians learned of the general’s plans anyway, putting the Americans in a bind. After checking with the White House, senior American officials asked the Ukrainians to call off the attack.
 
@tchrist Hmm not always, but, yes, whipped cream mostly has a bit of sugar added.
As to pastry cream, that is more like custard (or a horrid replacement with flour/starches in it).
 
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Who wore it better, @tchrist or @Community (on ELL)?
 
"A computer bug" by MidJourney net
The NY article says that Russians managed to infest Ukraine's satellite control network and shut it down. That's quite a feat. I didn't know it was at all possible.
The Ukrainians instantly switched on a backup, but still.
How many syllables are in caramel
 
Yeah too bad they didn't mention what happened, exactly, in more detail.
> Another magnate recalled realizing — too late — that Mr. Putin was parading them in front of the television cameras, for all the world to see, for a carefully planned purpose. The point was “specifically to tar everyone there,” he said, “to get everyone sanctioned.”

There was no going back. They, like the rest of Russia, were in this with Mr. Putin now.

Sure enough, Mr. Melnichenko and all the other businessmen who appeared with Mr. Putin that day were hit with sanctions by the West in the months that followed.
An interesting manoeuvre.
 
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> In practical terms, the “neural manifold” is a low-dimensional subspace within the higher-dimensional space of neural activity which explains the majority of the variance of the neural dynamics (Fig. 1).
Oh, that's easy.
 
How do we feel about the kerning?
 
@CowperKettle In French, caramel has three syllables but in Southern France, it might have four.
 
Understandable.
> Much of the modernization drive was “just pokazukha,” he said, using a Russian term for window-dressing.
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Lovely word.
 
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