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@Mitch So, squirrels are fully digital. I didn't know that!
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@CowperKettle We're just glad they don't have a fully opposable thumb. But squirrels and raccoons alike do have distressingly flexible fingers that allow them to do things we wish they would not.
02:57
@CowperKettle as @tchrist says, their thumbs aren't jointed like ours to literally oppose the other fingers, but that's not a necessary anatomy to be able to manipulate objects deftly.
So maybe they won't have clear penmanship having to move a clasped pencil via shoulder movements rather than the digits, but ...
Shoot, they could do fine finger movements -easily-.
They can climb trees.
We're screwed
They could totally pick locks
They're not like their lumbering idiot cousins the racoons who get stuck in a trash in when the top falls back closed.
In Yekaterinburg, the police started giving draft papers to men detained for minor demeanors (fist fights, domestic violence), and this has reportedly led to a decrease in crime e1.ru/text/criminal/2022/10/08/71711078
On the other hand I don't see the roads strewn with dead flattened racoons
@CowperKettle so things are looking up?
Unintended consequences
Our smaller local roads always have a flattened squirrel or chipmunk.
UK shipped criminals to Botany Bay, and Russia is shipping them to the shores of the Dniepr river
It worked out ok for Australians but I guess not as much for the aborígenes
@CowperKettle Interesting.
 
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The Crimean Bridge
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Thankfully, nobody died.
And I think that the rail link could be quickly restored.
06:26
I'll go ahead and say it. Out of all the feel-good "this thing will revolutionize how we do that thing", the AI ones are the most boring.
Thank you for saying that.
And now I'll go ahead and say, don't hold your breath.
Because it won't really revolutionize?
06:45
“the universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle”
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They have a very long way to go with AI.
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@CowperKettle because every year, we're coming up with new ways to do things, that's kinda how the whole thing is supposed to work. Replacing this model with that model that can do some extra things is not revolutionary
It has only desensitized us to the real revolutions that are happening to say every new thing in some hot fields like AI or telescopy is a revolution
CRISPR is probably the real stuf, if it bears fruit the way we think it will. If not, it's just another new thing, and we don't need to call it a revolution to realize its worth
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@M.A.R. I agree, but for some reason I still find it interesting, although I'm not in a condition to read up in-depth on the math that is used to build these AIs
And yes, news abour CRISPR and some new techniques are also very interesting.
09:52
Word of the day: steel guitar
I never knew they existed.
I haven't mastered the usual guitar. I only managed to train myself to play some simple melodies, but never mastered chords and singing to chords.
 
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The Treaty of the Danish West Indies, officially the Convention between the United States and Denmark for cession of the Danish West Indies, was a 1916 treaty transferring sovereignty of the Virgin Islands in the Danish West Indies from Denmark to the United States in exchange for a sum of US$25,000,000 in gold ($623 million in 2022). It is one of the most recent permanent expansions of United States territory. == History == === Background === Two of the islands had been in Danish possession since the 17th century and St. Croix since 1733. The glory days of the colony had been from aro...
The USA bought the Virgin Islands for an equivalent of today's $600 mn. Quite cheap.
 
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Word of the day: pissabed
Noun: pissabed (plural pissabeds)
  1. The dandelion, formerly much used for its diuretic properties. [from 16th c.]
  2. 2016, Alan Moore, Jerusalem, Liveright 2016, p. 139:
  3. The tufted hillock […] had no buildings on and only golden clumps of piss-the-bed that were not yet gone into misty balls of seed.
  4. (dialect) Any of various other wild plants with diuretic properties; bluet, oxeye daisy, etc.
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (252): What's the English equivalent for the French academia-related expression "hors sujet"?‭ by Fabrigas Anthonio‭ on english.SE
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A police lock is a type of high-security door lock. There are two distinct kinds of police lock. == Overview == The first is floor-mounted. It consists of a steel bar running on at a roughly 45° angle from the center of the door to the floor, on the inside of the area to be secured. At each end of the bar are slots or fixtures (one in the door, one in the floor) into which the steel bar is secured. This was designed by Emiel Fox (born 1869 or 1870, died 1941). Patents relating to early versions of the lock go back to at least 1907. Fox set up the Fox Police Lock Company in New York City t...
Word of the hour: police lock, reportedly popular in New York in the 1970s
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@CowperKettle Proof against burglars, sure, but also employed by those who wished to protect their drug use from the possibility of police intervention.
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I can't tell how many layers of comment there are here. With the Onion, whether they're talking about reality or not, at least you know the Onion is the author.
funny either way
@Mitch Wait, mustn't "The Queen's English Society" change its name back to "The King's English Society" now?
And all the Royal Navy ships must now be referred (re-referred?) to as "His Majesty's Ship" ... ?
Or do we need to ask King Charles III for his preferred pronouns?
I suppose that would be the polite thing to do, but, since we are addressing royalty, might that not appear presumptuous? Tantamount to suggesting that he might prefer to "abdicate" his kingship in favor of something less definitive?
These are important questions, and one mustn't take them lightly.
Johann "Jack" Unterweger (16 August 1950 – 29 June 1994) was an Austrian serial killer who committed murder in several countries – Austria, West Germany, Czechoslovakia, and the United States. Initially convicted in 1974 of a single murder, Unterweger began to write extensively while in prison. His work gained the attention of the Austrian literary elite, who took it as evidence that he had been rehabilitated. After significant lobbying, Unterweger was released on parole in 1990. Upon his release, he became a minor celebrity and worked as a playwright and journalist, but within months he resumed...
Amazing story
Footnote: Is Queen going to change their name to King now?
Talented playwright and journalist, and killed 12 women.
Released from prison with help from literary circles. Like Jack Henry Abbott in the USA.
They write that he was a talented writer, the there's no list of his works in the article.
I wonder what makes talented people commit such horrible crime. What kind of pathology in the brain.
A writer's talent usually means that a person has good working memory and his frontal lobes are working well.
> Based on psychiatric examination, Austrian psychiatrist Dr. Reinhard Haller diagnosed Unterweger with narcissistic personality disorder and presented his findings to the court on 20 June 1994.
I wonder if this "personality disorder" really exists.
It seems rooted in psychoanalysis, which is a pseudoscience.
10 year old schoolgirl in Moscow was taken to the police station for questioning after she used a yellow-and-blue avatar in the class chatroom. ovd.news/express-news/2022/10/08/…
She sure has some patriotic classmates
 
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@Robusto Meaning the band Queen? I wasn't aware they were still active.
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18:03
Hello Guys,
Does all verbs after verb does are in present simple form please or just the first one please?
18:24
@FaheemMitha Yes, of course.
@Avv Do you mean as in "Does your bird chirp and tweet and jump around?"
If so, yes, but I would call that infinitival form (sans "to"). It is the bare, uninflected form of a verb.
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@Robusto. Thank you very much. Yes I mean all verbs after do/does/did (to do verb)
No problem.
18:39
@Robusto Thank you for the link. Or maybe insert would be more correct.
You can just Google "Queen tour dates" and get a bunch of hits.
18:52
@Robusto I don't think I've ever been to a live band concert. At least not a paid one.
You need to get out more.
I did watch a "Mass in B Minor" performance once.
@Robusto Agreed.
But that was a long time ago.
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@FaheemMitha Doesn't Najma come to India?
@Robusto for all royals it's always been 'we'
@Mitch Not in third person.
@Robusto I'm not sure who or what Najma is.
A singer apparently. Never heard of him or her.
19:13
Re the grammar Nazi stuff, there's now the backlash against the Great British Bake Off's Mexican week.
Probably a her.
@FaheemMitha Her.
@Robusto How is she relevant?
Look man the Brits have shitty food, let them have spices for just this once
@FaheemMitha Good music is always relevant.
19:14
Sounds like a typical playback singer. Like all the others. I can never tell them apart.
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OK, never mind. I see now why you don't get out much.
They blew it with India., The Queen is dead they just brexited.... All they have left is GBBO
@Robusto ?
Well, what sort of thing would you go out to see?
Live concerts are overrated
You come out with your ears ringing for a week and your new band t-shirt smelling like smoke and spilled beer
And that's for classical
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@Robusto As mentioned, I like Bach. Also, Sibelius, Mozart, Brahms, and Schubert. But I've only ever been to a few live concerts.
I know I shouldn't complain, but it's been raining all day again. I've only ridden my bike once this week. Sheesh. I hope my Sunday ride won't be a rainout too.
@Mitch Sometimes I think you free associate.
Opera is like sticking footlong rusty knitting needles through your ears
@CowperKettle English uses "dandelion" and forgot "pissabed" while French uses pissenlit and forgot dent-de-lion...
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@FaheemMitha We all pay a price for @Mitch's free association. ;)
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@Robusto It rained a lot yesterday. Climate change. Yay.
@FaheemMitha there's a ferris wheel across the street
@Robusto I think it's OK to complain. And complaining about the weather is an international tradition.
@Mitch See, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about.
Everybody complains about the weather, only nobody does anything about it. Oh, wait ...
It's like having Family Guy in this chat.
19:21
We're doing something about it
Introduce wolves
@Mitch Hence my "Oh, wait ..."
@Robusto I think they are doing something about it. That's the problem.
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@Mitch Hence my "Oh, wait ..."
Geezis. You two knuckleheads ...
@Robusto Sorry.
Or seed the sky with ...whatever they seed the sky with
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Seeds.
@Mitch I like some operas. But I've never been to an actual live one.
@Robusto they should do something about it
@Robusto no nope that's... Maybe. No that's not it
Seeds?
I tried to once in Cambridge, but it didn't happen. I think they were sold out. It was also very expensive.
There is so much money in the world. Why is none of it mine?
@Mitch If you can't seed the sky with seeds, what can you seed it with?
@FaheemMitha horrific screaming punctuated by boring overacting
@Robusto things you call seeds just to fool the authorities?
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I've offered a solution. Don't try to milk any more out of me.
Anyway only do this 'seeding' above the arctic (and below the antarctic) circles otherwise you'll start a chain reaction that makes a snowball earth
@Mitch For example I think "The Magic Flute" is quite good. Of course, the music helps.
Oh flutes? Don't get me started on flutes
Or the flautists
Those people
@Mitch What's wrong with flutes?
I mean
@FaheemMitha I told you to not get me started
What kind of person would blow -sidewsys- into a tube?
A flautist that's who
Tells you all you need to know
Now the triangle...that's musicality
One note
Complexity wrapped up in simplicity
It takes real talent to get those heavenly chords out of a triangle
-anybody- can do that with a piano
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@Mitch I'm surprised you have time for this. Americans tend to be quite busy, because they have to do everything themselves.
I'm working hard writing my own satire at this very moment
Or is it parody?
Self parody?
Doggerel?
That sounds like a slur against dogs
Now a tuba that's an instrument.
You blow into a tuna and get a sound that says 'I am here'
Also draws elephants near
But you have to suffer for your art
@jlliagre wait what does pissenlit mean again?
@Mitch Maybe you do this instead of drinking. Or while drinking.
@Mitch Literally "Piss-in-bed".
or "Pee", the verb is milder in French.
19:51
@jlliagre but what is the context in which you use that? Do you call a kid that? (Too close to actual experience) or do you call someone who is not courageous or what?
@jlliagre yeah piss is strong in English and pee is the minced version
@FaheemMitha I should start drinking. Then people wouldn't have to wonder about me anymore
@Mitch Pissenlit is just the name of the flower.
@Mitch I don't recommend it.
People think drugs help, but they don't, really.
@jlliagre oh
But
Is it a sickly yellow colored flower?
Nothing to do with its color, that's its diuretic properties.
@FaheemMitha I think it can take your mind off of what's really troubling you. But it brings its own troubles I suppose. But then you're not thinking about those troubles either
@jlliagre ok there we go. I was wondering what the motivation for the name was
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Pissenlit means dandelion, and dandelion used to be named pissabed, a calque of the French.
Dents-de-lion seems transparent, it's yellow, the petals look like sharp teeth boom they're the teeth of a lion
@Mitch Well, possibly. But it doesn't change those troubles and adds additional troubles. Not having actually tried such options, I don't have first hand experience of this. But the numbers don't look good.
Who I've been told are not exactly yellow but that's the best word we've got
Dandelion Wine is a 1957 novel by Ray Bradbury set in the summer of 1928 in the fictional town of Green Town, Illinois, based upon Bradbury's childhood home of Waukegan, Illinois. The novel developed from the short story "Dandelion Wine", which appeared in the June 1953 issue of Gourmet magazine. The title refers to a wine made with dandelion petals and other ingredients, commonly citrus fruit. In the story, dandelion wine, as made by the protagonist's grandfather, serves as a metaphor for packing all of the joys of summer into a single bottle. The main character of the story is Douglas Spaulding...
A French idiom is manger les pissenlits par la racine (eating dandelions by the roots) as a metaphor for "being dead and buried". It's close to "to be pushing up daisies".
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@tchrist that was required reading for the grade ahead of me at school...but for my year it was The Martian Chronicles
But don't ask me about that either, I can't remember
@jlliagre got it.
@Mitch By the way, dandelion leaves look like lion teeth, not petals.
@jlliagre oh. Hmm. Ill have to rethink my entire childhood now
Also look closer at dandelions
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Nice kitty
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@jlliagre Where I used to live and work till I retired.
 
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@jlliagre Yes, indeed, I event went to the French Wikipedia and read the article there ))
@tchrist A great book, and there's a Russian movie based on it.
> 1983 M. O'Donoghue Jedder's Land (1984) 31 ‘Dirty-arsed hog! Filthy, wart-nosed trash! Pissabed varmint!’ She screeched all the wickedest words she knew.
Fuck all this talk about dandelions. Marigolds are where my heart lies.
Nobody ever asked me to pull marigolds.
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Verb: manger les pissenlits par la racine
  1. (informal, figuratively) to push up daisies
"To eat dandelions with their roots" = to push up daisies
Lenin's Tomb: The Last Days of the Soviet Empire is a book by American author David Remnick. Often cited as an example of New Journalism, it won the Pulitzer Prize for General Non-Fiction in 1994.The book is equal parts history and eyewitness account, covering the collapse of the Soviet Union. Opening with the excavation of the corpses of Poles killed in the Katyn massacre, Lenin's Tomb begins by describing the structural flaws present from the country's early days, and then uses individual accounts from a wide variety of contemporary individuals to display the modern consequences of these...
I downloaded this audiobook, and it's nice.
@Robusto Potherb or pericón?
A bit over the top here and there, but nice.
I can feel that the author is not a lifetime scholar of the Russian/Soviet history, but given what time he had, he did a good job.
@tchrist Whatever the kind is that we had in our flower beds when I was small.
@CowperKettle Remnick is the Editor in Chief of the New Yorker Magazine.
@Robusto Those are Tagetes, not Calendula. I had no idea we used to call the latter by what we today call the former. They go by trade names like African marigold vs Mexican marigold vs French marigolds.
I like Remnick, not least because he is on record as saying he is the only one who is required to read every word in The New Yorker every week.
@tchrist Pics or it didn't happen.
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I had a strange childhood. I never learned anything but Calendula for Calendula.
Calendula officinalis, the pot marigold, common marigold, ruddles, Mary's gold or Scotch marigold, is a flowering plant in the daisy family Asteraceae. It is probably native to southern Europe, though its long history of cultivation makes its precise origin unknown, and it may possibly be of garden origin. It is also widely naturalised farther north in Europe (as far as southern England) and elsewhere in warm temperate regions of the world.The Latin specific epithet officinalis refers to the plant's medicinal and herbal uses. == Description == Calendula officinalis is a short-lived aromat...
Never ever heard it called anything but Calendula.
Tagetes patula, the French marigold, is a species of flowering plant in the family Asteraceae, native to Mexico and Guatemala with several naturalised populations in many other countries. It is widely cultivated as an easily grown bedding plant, with thousands of different cultivars in brilliant shades of yellow and orange. Some authorities regard Tagetes patula as a synonym of Tagetes erecta, the Mexican marigold. == Name == The Latin specific epithet patula means “with a spreading habit”. == Description == Tagetes patula is an annual, occasionally reaching 0.5 m (1.6 ft) tall by 0.3 m (1.0 ft...
Ours were darker red with yellow interiors.
But similarly fluffy.
Tagetes look nothing like Calendula. They're both in the Aster family, but that's about all. Look at the leaves.
@tchrist These colors are right, but the petals were smaller and more numerous.
These all have a zillion cultivars each.
My parents called them marigolds and I had no basis from which to argue the point.
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Tagetes erecta, the Aztec marigold, Mexican marigold, big marigold, cempazúchitl or cempasúchil, is a species of flowering plant in the genus Tagetes native to Mexico. Despite its being native to the Americas, it is often called African marigold. In Mexico, this plant is found in the wild in the states of México, Michoacán, Puebla, and Veracruz. This plant reaches heights of between 20 and 90 cm (7.9 and 35.4 in). The Aztecs gathered the wild plant as well as cultivating it for medicinal, ceremonial and decorative purposes. It is widely cultivated commercially with many cultivars in use as ornamental...
@Robusto Ah! A nice magazine, I used to read it sometimes.
@tchrist Nope.
@CowperKettle Not sure if "with their roots" is right. Par la racine means the roots are what is eaten first, i.e. dandelions are eaten from underneath.
@tchrist I couldn't look at the leaves. I was mesmerized by the blooms.
@jlliagre Ah! I was just using Google's translation
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Tagetes lucida is a perennial plant native to Mexico and Central America. It is used as a medicinal plant and as a culinary herb. The leaves have a tarragon-like scent, with hints of anise, and it has entered the nursery trade in North America as a tarragon substitute. Common names include sweetscented marigold, Mexican marigold, Mexican mint marigold, Mexican tarragon, sweet mace, Texas tarragon, pericón, yerbaniz, and hierbanís. == Description == Tagetes lucida grows 45–75 cm (18–30 in) tall and requires full sun to light shade. Depending on the variety or landrace, the plant may be fairly...
Again, you're almost certainly talking about "French" marigolds.
But they weren't thin spiky leaves. More like the calendula ones.
> Remnick completed a 122-page long senior thesis titled "The Sympathetic Thread: 'Leaves of Grass' 1855-1865."
A nice poem collection. I memorized one poem from it.
That's more like the ones I remember.
Many, many, many cultivars.
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@tchrist Very close.
Leaves of Grass feels it it was written in the 20th century, not in 1855.
@CowperKettle All Whitman, I presume.
Marigolds are popular in the Urals because they last well into the fall, even surviving the first snows.
@CowperKettle No. Too much enthusiasm for life to be 20th century.
@Robusto Yes, probably
23:57
@CowperKettle Jack Kerouac?
French marigolds are called Œillets d'Inde in French, i.e. "Indian carnation" where Indian means from the Americas.
In Russian, marigolds are barkhatsy, "made of velvet"
@jlliagre Is d'Inde pronounced like dandy?
Just a joke.

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