morning

morning

morning

🌙

A new development appears

We got so many of these cases, like people, it's not supported. You want us to support you using something not supported. No. Stop it.

That's fair, but people don't always have the option. They won't get Microsoft support, but I suppose they're willing to make that trade-off.

I get that, "it works most of the time", so then be happy about that?

Don't expect 100% everything all the things all the times

Yep, guess so.

I am 99% sure the dumps are from the drivers as well

It's possible to read that answer as saying moving the drivers back to out-of-process resolved the dumping issue too.

I mean, it's not the way I'd want my SQL Servers to be running, but there it is.

It should

it'll crash the host process spawned

so I'm waiting for the question about sometimes linked server queries return errors are don't run

Luckily questions about OS dumps and error messages would go to a different site

Aww, I like that stuff

You should get on the Windows support team

I've been thinking about it

@SeanGallardy-MostlyRetired Only slightly related, what's the direction these days - ODBC or OLEDB?

Or neither?

@PaulWhite That's a really long answer

@SeanGallardy-MostlyRetired Ah well feel free to skip it then

I'll stick with 32-bit ODBC and UDL

1 paragraph answer: SNAC is being removed, specifically OLEDB and the overall message is use ODBC

Yet so many of the internals are built on OLEDB

DB-Library might be the way to go

Though what we really need is one standard

It's a shame about SNAC. It had the best acronym.

They keep killing OLEDB and then bringing it back

I wouldn't hold my breath

You joke about DBLibrary but there are a ton of DirectWire drivers and stuff out there

@SeanGallardy-MostlyRetired I guess people use whatever option they have. If MS doesn't provide anything else then that's what they'll do. SQL Server has poor bulk-loading tools, so people will use whatever hack they can.

@Charlieface I get it, but it is supported for SSIS or import/export. You can also use it to write your own apps to do bulk loading. People don't want that, they want linked server stuff and then complain when it isn't as fast as bulk load/app/etc or that it crashes/doesn't work for every possible feature.

So could MS put something out that does it? Sure. Will they? No.

No money to be made there and tons of other options in that space.

@ErikDarling I thought it was just me, I was trying to paste some screenshots into chat and couldn't. I blamed it on MS Edge.

"No money to be made there" meaning SSIS doesn't have an Express or a Web licence.... Sorry, just being cynical, everyone needs to make money I suppose.

There are also a ton of 3rd party products

Yup, and I'm primarily a developer so I also wouldn't use ACE, I would just write my own automation system. I do understand people who do use it though.

It's not like there aren't a ton of other undocumented procs and quirky update thingys that people do.

My whole point was, while using 90 proof alcohol to run your car might work for a little bit, don't complain when it kills your engine and expect it not to when it's not supported

@SeanGallardy-MostlyRetired You might be remembering that it works on Top Answers chat. It also works in posts on the main site here.

@JoshDarnell Most likely, I confuse easily

In my old age

Microsoft don't have money to just throw around you know

Also investing in PowerBI is a huge drain on available resources

You have to see things from their point of view

@SeanGallardy-MostlyRetired 👴

@PaulWhite Exactly. You don't just buy activision-blizzard for 69 billion dollars and expect to have any money left for these other items

Quite so

quite quite

🚬

@PaulWhite > Wow is it that time again already

Yeah I know, busy

what's everyone busy with

invoicing i hope

I've been having fever for the past few days, kids as well. Fun times

boring unpaid moderator stuff as usual

i would never make it as a moderator

for many reasons

moderation in all things?

clearly you've never been out drinking with me

I doubt I'd remember

scars, loose or missing teeth, bad tattoos

lots of markers

I have at least one of those.

an of ystery

han of hystery?

we need an ystery olver

did lamak make that

don't recall

seems vaguely like I made it

another ystery

v. high quality

checked, I made it with snagit

30 July 2018

czeched

you're slipping

sue me

maybe when nz currency is worth something

ha!

great time to be an exporter

missed your calling

second youngest, J Darneli, created that

hah

one of yours

Lamak classic

me

ha ha ha

mop

That joke's been running longer than I thought

what have I started?

then the joke runs out the rev begins

@PaulWhite Hahaha

😀

hah

oh yeah, on the way to bits

i wonder if that clown painting is still there

strange airport art

anyway, that's what I originally went looking for

2018

banner year

more precisely, that rendering

as it appeared on-site

i recalled it being "olved ysteries" but maybe i'm dumb and wrong

as far as I can tell, people's brains filled in the "ys"

see i.stack.imgur.com/MhGPP.jpg?s=128&g=1

the original was i.stack.imgur.com/iomLG.jpg

so many pictures of Sean eating steak in the archives

that's how i recalled it

but hey

let's not fight

I'm just going from the saved links in Sean's profile image history

That's the square rendering of yours

Anyway, that's probably quite enough Sean for now

hm

dunno, the sean pictures are sort of like gentrifying chat

He's always reminded me of David Duchovny

I'm losing it, this is amazing!

<3 you all

Yeah I'm in the market for a new profile pic

Having said that, the amount of MS people that ping me and say, "Is this really you?" and I say it is, tell me how much they laugh at the picture and think it's great and hilarious.

🤣

"Every time I see your picture in an answer it makes me laugh"

Full size for those that want it

Everyone wants it, it's a masterpiece

We should start selling these

NFT that

So this is the little mermaid controversy I've been hearing about?

Very likely Sean was involved in whatever you've heard yeah

sean is the patron saint of little mermaid drama

don't let him fool you

they stole my subdomain

bastards

Reminds me of the supermarkets rearranging products every couple of months so the customers spend more time in there searching for the things they want.

Yeah I didn't want to say anything but they've been in the works for the Docs rename for a little bit. It's so effing stupid.

Hey, I wasn't able to be famous, so I settled for infamous.

heh twitter.com/docsmsft

Lol

Not much synergy to this effort eh

at least they got the redirection right.

Must have DNS experts

Is the empire in decline

ask caesar