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tchrist

00:40

It's a hundred in Paris.

And soon, also in Paris.

Healthrow should hit triple digits on Monday, too.

I should only have 98 on Monday, which will feel incredibly less impactful than the 100 that London may see on that same day.

Robusto

@tchrist The Tour de France is suffering mightily in the heat.

tchrist

Not surprised.

You want it cool, you need to Ride the Rockies.

No warning for Amsterdam, though. Maybe because they're at a negative elevation.

Robusto

You know, I realized just the other day that several decades ago when I spent two weeks shooting a commercial in the Dordogne, I could have visited the cave art at Lascaux. It was a mere 30 or so km away. I was busy, but I would have extended the trip a day just go to see that.

tchrist

"High disruption due to extreme temperatures" is weird when it's only 100.

Robusto

We're going to be near or at 100 (though not over) for the next few days, but then the monsoon comes back and cools things off by 10 or so degrees. All pretty normal for August here.

tchrist

00:52

@Robusto We've had the blessing of the monsoon like three afternoons running now. But it's still almost 80 when I go to bed.

Robusto

@tchrist That's extreme for London. In fact, it's probably downright lethal.

tchrist

At least now the Brits don't have to migrate to Benidorm for their heat this year.

Robusto

I notice that above I said the temps were normal for August. I'm getting ahead of myself. I meant for July.

But July she will fly.

And is doing so already.

tchrist

I wonder what the "we don't need no stinkin aircon to destroy the world" austerity stoics will say now.

People will die without it.

It didn't get down to 66 this morning until 6:35am. That's really too late to go to bed for anybody with only one head.

Robusto

01:07

It will only get down to 70 tonight. But tomorrow will be drier than it's been.

Robusto

01:23

By that I mean less humid.

Mitch

01:48

@Cerberus it's ok.

@Cerberus it's very much like TOS, similar plots, similar issues.

Cerberus

@Mitch Hmm.

I've never watched that.

Mitch

Yes not hysterical like Picard or Discovery

Cerberus

Is it much different from the Next Generation?

Not hysterical is a big plus.

Mitch

@Cerberus classic sci Fi plots and themes

I really don't know TNG very well

Cerberus

That's cool, that's what they should always have stuck with.

Voyager?

Deep Space Nine?

Mitch

01:52

I only saw a few DS9. Also middling for me (though I've heard the in general it is considered the best

Cerberus

Star Trek is Star Trek.

It's usually quite superficial and predictable.

But that is as good as it gets.

Mitch

I liked Voyager and also even though it was a but boring Enterprise (it tended to explore the development of technology that was taken for granted in TOS.

Like transporters and universal translators

Cerberus

Right.

I liked Voyager except some super annoying characters.

Mitch

@Cerberus that said it is quite a bit more deep than Star Wars

Cerberus

Neelix, and the couple Tom and Belanna, and...the endless holodeck episodes.

Mitch

01:55

@Cerberus haha yes. Neelix

Cerberus

@Mitch I do not know Star Wars.

Mitch

Almost intentionally annoying

Cerberus

Yeah.

And boring.

Mitch

@Cerberus despite the problem of being uncultured for not having seen that...you're not missing much

Except the first one

That one is pretty good

Cerberus

The bad thing about the Next Generation and Voyager, which is lacking from DS9 and Enterprise and Discovery, is the large number of holodeck episodes. Those always sucked.

Does the newest series have holodeck episodes?

Mitch

01:57

The Holodek is just a poor crutch for bad writers

Cerberus

Yes.

Mitch

@Cerberus no. It precedes in the timeline TOS

Cerberus

And they are cheap, because they just use some décor they happen to have lying around from some other series or film.

Mitch

Wait they had it in Discovery?

Oh no

Cerberus

"Lacking from".

Mitch

01:59

Voyager you said

Got it

Cerberus

Yes.

Mitch

I don't remember that

I don't remember a lot

Makes rewatching a movie interesting

Cerberus

Tom Paris has some uninteresting programme from the 20th century; something happens and the safety protocols are off; they have to flee from some self-aware hologram.

Mitch

I know something bad is going to happen, well the music is telling me that, but not to who

@Cerberus haha that's stupid

Cerberus

It was that every time, with minor variations.

Mitch

02:01

I liked the idea of the Maquis and 'sharing' the ship, but nothing much came of that

Cerberus

Yeah.

Something came of it, but they lost that thread fairly soon.

Mitch

With the latest pictures from the Webb telescope, visiting a limitless number of 'nearby' planets almost seems plausible

Nearby -inhabitable- planets

One annoying thing about that in scifi is that all these planets...each one seems to have one climate for the entire planet

All ice

Or all desert

Or all tropical forest

None of the planets have multiple biomes

CowperKettle

02:35

> In 1966, Franca Viola became the first Italian woman to refuse a “rehabilitating marriage” (“matrimonio riparatore” in Italian) with her rapist.

> The article of law whereby a rapist could vacate his crime by marrying his victim was not abolished until 1981.

> After Viola's refusal to marry her rapist, her family members were reportedly menaced, ostracised, and persecuted by most townspeople. Their vineyard and barn were torched.

CowperKettle

02:55

There’s a reproducibility crisis brewing in almost every scientific field that has adopted machine learning. /.../ In most cases, when the errors are corrected, the scientific claims being made don’t hold up.

Cerberus

03:08

@Mitch Hmm are you sure? That would be odd.

As well, the Code also declared that rape could be recompensed through marriage only if the woman who was raped agreed to marry her rapist, and even if she did the Code declared that the rapist still had to either pay a large fine to the Senate or have his foot cut off (his choice).[12]
If she did not agree to marry him, he had to give her a dowry that suited her social status, so that she could marry someone else, and he still had to either pay a large fine to the Senate or have his foot cut off (his choice).[12] As well, these punishments were not affected by whether or not the woman in q…

> Eleanor died of plague in 1404, and Arborea slowly fell into decline due to her death.

CowperKettle

So initially these laws there better than nothing.

Estonia announced the purchase of six HIMARS units and some rockets, at a cost of $500 million.

Cerberus

So Sardinia already had the same law in 1400.

CowperKettle

Carta de Logu

The Carta de Logu was a legal code of the Judicate of Arborea, written in the Sardinian language and promulgated by the juighissa ("Lady Judge") Eleanor of Arborea in 1392. It was in force in Sardinia until it was superseded by the Savoyard code of Charles Felix in April 1827. The Carta was a work of great importance in Sardinian history and in European Juridic history as a whole. It was an organic, coherent, and systematic work of legislation encompassing the civil and penal law. The history of the drafting of the Carta is unknown, but the Carta itself provides an excellent glimpse into th...

tchrist

03:27

I wonder what "Logu" means in that context.

I also wonder why I hear choppers at night.

I'd read "Carta" more as charter than letter, but I wonder about Logu. I'm guessing it's from locus/loci for place etc.

CowperKettle

Oh, this Eleanor was not merely a judge. She ruled her part of Sardinia. Rulers were called "judges".

tchrist

Oh that.

They do that in Texas. The executive ruler of county government there goes by the title of "judge".

CowperKettle

@tchrist "Crown de Logu of the Judged (an assembly of notables, prelates, and officials of the towns and villages)"

Eleanor of Arborea

Eleanora or Eleanor of Arborea (Sardinian: Elianora de Arbaree, Italian: Eleonora d'Arborea, &c.; 1347—1404) was one of the most powerful and important, and one of the last, judges of the Judicate of Arborea in Sardinia, and Sardinia's most famous heroine. == Biography == When Judge Pietro III of Arborea died without descendants in 1347, the Crown de Logu of the Judged (an assembly of notables, prelates, and officials of the towns and villages) elected the father of Eleanor (Marianus IV of Arborea, brother of the deceased), who held his brother’s old post from 1347 to 1376.Eleanor was born at...

tchrist

"La Corona de X" is not uncommon. I just wonder about the Logu.

> La Corona de Logu offre le pouvoir de juge à Guillaume II de Narbonne, un petit-fils de Béatrice d'Arborée, fille du juge Mariano IV, et épouse du vicomte Aymeri VI de Narbonne.

Vikas

tchrist

03:37

@Vikas Why in the name of all the rulers in hottest hell are they heating their fricking houses in JULY????

Vikas

How exactly they are "heated"? Do you use some appliance like we use AC for cooling? Like some heater which runs on gas?

@tchrist No idea I just saw it.

tchrist

> Quando nel 1347 morì il giudice Pietro III di Arborea senza discendenti, la Corona de Logu del giudicato (un'assemblea dei notabili, prelati, funzionari delle città e dei villaggi) elesse il padre di Eleonora Mariano IV, fratello dello scomparso, che resse il giudicato dal 1347 al 1376.

> Pasó sus primeros años de su juventud en Oristán. Cuando en 1347 murió el juez Pedro III de Arborea sin descendientes, la Corona de Logu del juzgado (una asamblea de los nobles, prelados, funcionarios de la ciudad y de las villas) eligió juez al padre de Leonor: Mariano IV, hermano del muerto, que gobernó el juzgado de 1347 a 1376.

Vikas

I mean how heating houses is dependent on Russian gas?

tchrist

None of these have a blue link for the Corona de Logu, only red links.

Vikas

Is it direct or indirect?

tchrist

03:40

@Vikas Anybody who is heating their house now is insane.

You don't want your house hotter in July. You want it colder.

> Como não dera descendência ao marido, a sucessão recaía em Mariano, que foi eleito pela Coroa de Logu do julgado, isto é, uma assembleia de prelados e funcionários da cidade, pelo que este partiu da Catalunha e regressou à capital de Arborea, Oristano.

Vikas

@tchrist Yes, Frankfurt temperatures are not too cold right now. I don't know I read it on Aljazeera.

tchrist

> De vier jaren na Eleonora's troonsbestijging werden gekenmerkt door een oorlog met de Kroon van Aragón.

Crown of the Realm

The Crown of the Realm (Sardinian: Corona de Logu) was a political institution in Sardinia that acted as legislature during Sardinia's Judicates era.It was made up of the majorales (or "wise men") of each region, including the curadores and the majores (or "aldermen") as well as the local píscamos (who acted more like high prelates), and existed to advise the judiches. The majorales were usually either relatives of the judiche or belonged to reliable local families. In essence, it was more-or-less identical to the witenagemot of Anglo-Saxon England in both its composition of officials and its...

CowperKettle

They are not heated now. They just have gas-fired heaters installed for times of cold weather.

tchrist

@CowperKettle As do we all, as do we all.

CowperKettle

They are doing the absolutely insane thing. They are shutting down several nuclear power plants in Germany, and are relying on foreign gas.

tchrist

03:47

> The Sardinian word logu literally means "place", but when capitalised it refers to a judicadu. It is derived from Latin locus (originally "stlocus" in Old Latin) from Proto-Indo-European *stel- ("to place", "to locate").

Found it.

CowperKettle

Instead of building more nuclear plants, they are shutting them down. The degree of insanity is insane.

There are heavy-water nuclear reactor designs that allow nuclear fuel to be used much more sparingly, yet the whole humanity knew of these designs, and did nothing for decades, relying instead on fossil fuels. Billions of $ should have been spent on improving and commercializing these designs.

tchrist

> As of March 2020, of the 54 nuclear reactors in Japan, there were 42 operable reactors but only 9 reactors in 5 power plants were actually operating.[5] A total of 24 reactors are scheduled for decommissioning or are in the process of being decommissioned.

CowperKettle

Fast-neutron reactor

A fast-neutron reactor (FNR) or fast-spectrum reactor or simply a fast reactor is a category of nuclear reactor in which the fission chain reaction is sustained by fast neutrons (carrying energies above 1 MeV or greater, on average), as opposed to slow thermal neutrons used in thermal-neutron reactors. Such a fast reactor needs no neutron moderator, but requires fuel that is relatively rich in fissile material when compared to that required for a thermal-neutron reactor. Around 20 land based fast reactors have been built, accumulating over 400 reactor years of operation globally. The largest of...

I made a mistake. It's not "heavy water reactor". It's "fast neutron reactor".

I read that this type is very promising.

Vikas

@CowperKettle Is it installed in each room?

CowperKettle

Industrial-scale fast neutron reactors only exist in Russia, if I recall correctly.

@Vikas In Russia, every room has a heating radiator filled with water.

> BN-800 - a sodium-cooled fast breeder reactor at the Beloyarsk Nuclear Power Station. It generates 880 MW of electrical power and started producing electricity in October, 2014.

The Beloyarsk plant is relatively close to Yekaterinburg.

> According to Russian business journal Kommersant, the BN-800 project cost 140.6 billion rubles (roughly 2.17 billion dollars).

It's only a couple billion $, for a country like Germany it's peanuts. Yet they willingly got themselves addicted to the cocaine of natural gas.

And with an industry as advanced as Germany's, it's much easier to mass-produce such nuclear reactors. They would be much more advanced than in Russia. Yet they've been duped.

Drug dealer delivers the first dose of drug to willing addicts.

The launch of NordStream in 2011.

Vikas

04:02

@CowperKettle OK.

Cerberus

@tchrist No doubt law!

tchrist

@Cerberus What, for Carta?

As in the Magna one?

17 mins ago, by tchrist

> The Sardinian word logu literally means "place", but when capitalised it refers to a judicadu. It is derived from Latin locus (originally "stlocus" in Old Latin) from Proto-Indo-European *stel- ("to place", "to locate").

The old Latins had a TL cluster?

I mean, they could say that like we say STR, apparently. No extra syllables needed.

CowperKettle

@Vikas All radiators are connected to a central heating station that serves many buildings.

tchrist

I'm not very good at starting words with STL myself.

No wonder they dropped it. :)

Cerberus

@tchrist Oh, funny I did not expect locus.

Yes, stlocus sounds familiar.

Archaic.

tchrist

04:07

I knew it would be. Because that's how you hear it still said in the countryside.

Cerberus

I see.

@Vikas How is a photo supposed to prove that people are heating their houses? I do not believe that people in Frankfort would be heating their houses right now, especially not an entire neighbourhood.

CowperKettle

They say stlocate instead of locate?

tchrist

@Cerberus Portuguese logo would have /u/ for that final vowel.

Cerberus

Well, locate is not Latin, let alone archaic Latin.

@tchrist And it means locus, not logos?

tchrist

@Cerberus Yes, that's right. The Portuguese use logo pretty much like the Spanish do luego.

Cerberus

04:14

Noted.

tchrist

And those two are pronounced a lot more like each other in many places in Iberia than you might imagine from their spelling. In Madrid fuego, luego tend to come out in casual speech without a diphthong, just an open o like the Portuguese version or the THOUGHT vowel.

So I'm at least in theory used to HEARING logu, just not seeing it spelled that way.

Crown of Place didn't really make sense to me.

Well, or Charter of Place = Local Charter.

Cerberus

So the pronunciation changed from -o- to -ue- to -o-?

Usually vowels move in a circle, not back and forth.

Vikas

05:03

@Cerberus I read it here: aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2022/7/14/… (You'll need to scroll down at least 85% and then search "frankfurt", you'll find it)

I think it's just a random photo. It's shared at many places but all have different stories.

tchrist

05:18

@Cerberus No, it just didn't finish in all speakers.

CowperKettle

> The best means to stimulate the skin is, first, to have the patient well washed with warm water and soap; then, to anoint it all over in oil, and to slap the oil in with a broad leather strap; then to put the patient to some hard kind of work in the sunshine.

tchrist

@Cerberus Luego/logo is more often adverb than noun. I forgot to mention that the normal word corresponding to English place is not usually one derived directly from locus. The most common choice for that would be lugar from localis, whether Spanish, Asturian, Galician, or Portuguese. (Although usually sitio is fine, too.) Apparently only Catalan regularly uses lloc for that.

CowperKettle

Word of the day: hebetude

tchrist

@CowperKettle teenagerness?

CowperKettle

Dysaesthesia aethiopica

In psychiatry, dysaesthesia aethiopica ("Black (Ethiopian) bad feeling) was an alleged mental illness described by American physician Samuel A. Cartwright in 1851, which proposed a theory for the cause of laziness among slaves. Today, dysaesthesia aethiopica is not recognized as a disease, but instead considered an example of pseudoscience, and part of the edifice of scientific racism. == History == Found exclusively among African Americans, dysaesthesia aethiopica – called rascality by the overseers – was characterized by partial insensitivity of the skin and "so great a hebetude of the...

I picked it here.

tchrist

05:22

Ah, one of those old vices.

CowperKettle

> indeed, according to Cartwright, "nearly all [free negroes] are more or less afflicted with it, that have not got some white person to direct and to take care of them."

tchrist

My goodness!

I was thinking of acedia for laziness.

> superbia (pride), avaritia (greed), luxuria (extravagance, later lust), invidia (envy), gula (gluttony), ira (wrath), and acedia (sloth)

Or for hanging upside down. :)

CowperKettle

05:51

New Study in Children With Language Deficits Highlights Importance of Voluntary Imagination in Language Evolution

CowperKettle

06:02

> In that three-year study, published in 2021, the scientists concluded that children who were engaged with the voluntary imagination intervention showed 2.2-fold improvement in combinatorial language comprehension compared to children with similar language deficiencies.

Xanne

07:58

@tchrist Why not just laze

laze (lāz)
Share:
v. lazed, laz·ing, laz·es
v.intr.
To be idle; loaf: laze around the house.
v.tr.
To spend (time) loafing: lazed the afternoon away in a hammock.
[Back-formation from LAZY.]

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I use Google Earth to locate these countries, thus presumably improving my knowledge of geography ;)

CowperKettle

08:48

> Russian Duma deputy Mr. Vasserman "If we cease to acknowlegde the existence of a Ukranian people, that will remove the basis for conflicts".

He considers Ukraine an artificial state, and the Ukrainian people an artificial construct.

Back in the early 2000s he was among my favorite TV personas. He was a participant in knowledge game shows. He used to beat others easily. It felt like he knew everything.

His flat is packed with books. He has been constantly reading encyclopedias and books for decades.

I was amazed at how much he knew.

There were numerous memes with him.

Однажды в офисе...

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There was even this song about him.

I loved this song.

It's humoristic. First the singer recites some paranormal phenomena and crank theories, and the refrain is "Onotole's getting mad" (Anatoly is his name).

Then the singer recites some branches of science, and the refrain is "Onotole approves"

jlliagre

10:05

@tchrist Locus gave the Vulgar luoco that gave the French lieu which possibly gave the English "loo" :-) In Corsican, Latin locus gave locu which is pronounced logu like in Sardinian.

CowperKettle

11:09

Over the last several months, Germany deported six Azerbaijani oppositional activists back to Azerbaijan, where they were promptly arrested. Boggles my mind. Sending people to their doom. Something is rotten in Germany.

Robusto

11:52

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CowperKettle

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I never knew it had this shape.

Robusto

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CowperKettle

> Changing 100 people from an ACE inhibitor or angiotensin II receptor antagonist to sacubitril/valsartan for 2.3 years would prevent three deaths, five hospitalizations for heart failure, and eleven hospitalizations overall.

Wow. Great progress. A drug first approved in 2015.

> Wisdom enough to leech us of our ill is daily spun

jlliagre

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@CowperKettle Your comment "I never knew it had this shape" helped me! Not that it's the only one I had no clue about the shape though.

CowperKettle

12:13

Yes, I thought it was more horizontal. Now I'll know.

> Bloom supports 46 languages and 13 programming languages, BigScience researchers wrote in a blog post today. The AI can answer questions, summarize text, extract snippets of information from documents and perform a variety of other tasks.

siliconangle.com/2022/07/12/…

Mitch

12:39

@Cerberus pretty sure

Not absolutely totally sure

More than somewhat sure but less than absolutely sure

Robusto

@CowperKettle Not surprisingly, that's a very old joke. I heard it first as: "Q. My wife is having a baby! Can you call me a cab? A. OK, you're a cab."

@Mitch Can't you assign a numerical range to it?

Mitch

If there were a counter.example I would be surprised. Not terribly surprised. Somewhat surprised.

@Robusto yes, I could do that.

Robusto

OK, but could you do it without making a joke about it? That's the real question here.

I have a 9.5% level of confidence that you could do that.

Mitch

One could use a Likert scale of confidence (1 - totally unsure... 5 totally sure), or a continuous scale from 0 to 1 where it is probability or (more controversially) 'credibility'

@Robusto done

Credibility is controversial because it follows the same mathematical axioms as probability but the interpretation is ... different

Don't ask me how different

Robusto

@Mitch OK, I won't. Different how, though?

That's not the same as "how different" ...

Mitch

12:47

Dammt

sigh

Go ask some philosopher of probability

Probably a .... sputs ... Bayesian

Assigning probabilities to confidence, by a human about their internal thoughts is not particularly reliable.

Robusto

But I don't know any philosophers of probability. Not anymore. The last one ghosted me just last year, probably because I kept asking too many questions.

Mitch

For a prediction model, it's just the probability that pops out of the calculations, 'confudence' is almost anthropomorphism here.

@Robusto good move

On their part

Robusto

Meanie.

Mitch

There are no emojis for the emotion I feel

Is there one for 'i could eat a donut now but frankly it would be too much'?

Robusto

@Mitch Then how can it be a valid emotion? Emojis encompass all human emotions, I thought.

Mitch

12:59

Yes

That deserves another sigh

There's one for Schadenfreude

There's one for saudade

There's one for Hakuna my tatas

But not one for 'near donut ambivalence'

When the revolution comes...

Robusto

@Mitch Can you assign a probability to the "near donut ambivalence" emoji being available soon? I'm starting to suspect I feel such an emotion, but don't have an emoji to express it.

Mitch

You'll

Have

To figure that one out on your own

Robusto

In my own what?

Mitch

Also, have a donut, then you'll know

Robusto

But what if I make a mistake?

Analysis paralysis.

Mitch

13:08

Pleonasm neoplasm

CowperKettle

Word of the day: phthisis bulbi

Mitch

Inoperable

Robusto

We need a pleonasm reticulum.

Mitch

@CowperKettle that's a good one

Sounds gross

Like maybe surgery is neccessary

Robusto

You'll find it in the dictionary under "Eeeeuuuwwwww!"

Mitch

13:10

Haha like an entire 'Atlas of skin diseases'

Not only is one picture worse than the last

But the lighting is not very good

Robusto

Or perhaps the "New Modern Atlas of Skin Diseases and Other Things To Make You Puke."

@CowperKettle You should keep an eye on that one.

Mitch

One page is ear wax pustules, the next is malignant bumblebee eyeball

Robusto

I suppose we now need an emoji for all these things.

There isn't a lot you can do with 16² pixels.

CowperKettle

13:32

Two days ago, I had my fifth shot of the anti-covid vaccine.

Just in case. Six months after the previous one.

I wonder if it works at all against the newer strains, though.

I'm not sure.

tchrist

13:53

@CowperKettle I don't know that any of the original vaccines, unmodified, generate much in the way of sterilizing antibodies effective against the Omicron BA.4 and BA.5 strains. But all of these appear to bolster T-cell efficacy against serious outcomes.

CowperKettle

Paxlovid is still unavailable in Russia, a criminal delay that costs lives.

With the oil and gas money, Putin could have bought a boatload of it.

Robusto

@CowperKettle You can be sure the nomenclatura have it.

CowperKettle

Word of the day: blood meal (a dry, inert powder made from blood, used as a high-nitrogen organic fertilizer and a high protein animal feed)

Robusto

Opinion BA.5 should not change how Americans think about living with covid

CowperKettle

14:12

Google Translate does a good job, only I would use subjected instead of subject

Dmitry Medvedev is rattling his nuclear saber again.

I wonder what age veterans are now. If a person was 20 in 1945, then in 2022 he should be 97 years old.

Oh, those Europe-hating Americans.

CowperKettle

14:34

> A phenomenological analysis of double bookkeeping suggests an instability in the affective (“auto-affection”) articulation of selfhood.

Daring Dimon: The Judgement Day

Dimon is the name Dmitry, informally.

CowperKettle

14:56

M.A.R.

16:33

@CowperKettle laughter heals all wounds they say

Imagine the guy's been stabbed in the belly, and with every pang of laughter blood is pumped out by the muscles

You only live once

SmokeDetector

19:27

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected (78): Where does the pejorative meaning of "shower" come from?‭ by Max Roberts‭ on english.SE

Robusto

20:48

We left our bikes in the sun when we went in for coffee. When we came out ... 115.7 °F (~46 °C). I had to go in the shade to take that picture, since it was too damn hot in the sun.

tchrist

21:24

@Robusto I cannot overstress how dangerous vigorous exercise in that temperature, altitude, and latitude under direct sun is.

Mine said 99, so I averted my eyes and turned on the AC.

Cerberus

Yuck.

Do you use sunscreen?

tchrist

@Cerberus Sunscreen has nothing to do with temperature. :)

Cerberus

My parents are going to pick up a table across the country tomorrow.

It will be 33 degrees.

@tchrist No, indeed.

tchrist

Are they carrying it all the way home cross country with their bare hands, or are they putting it in a vehicle and driving?

Cerberus

@CowperKettle Haha is that real?

tchrist

21:30

Unless they're hawling it on a human-powered sledge, it doesn't matter.

Cerberus

Better use a cat sled.

Robusto

@Cerberus Of course. You must use sunscreen or clothing protection (sun sleeves, etc.) at this altitude.

@tchrist Yeah, I know, but I have to exercise.

tchrist

@Robusto I'm thinking of taking my quick 2-mile daily jaunt even though it's a 100, but I really need to bring water even on so short an excursion under these conditions.

Robusto

Water is critical.

On a bike at least you have wind, which does cool you off. And the humidity was not bad today.

tchrist

There are signs in the "hot" national parks at pullovers warning dumb tourists never to step away from their vehicle without water. Too many dead Europeans.

Arches and Death Valley definitely have those warning signs.

Not just Europeans who die of thirst out here, of course. Anybody from the wetlands of the east is just as much at risk.

> At Grand Canyon National Park, where temperatures are routinely exceeding 110 degrees on sun-baked paths, rangers issue strong warnings and advise people to take precautions, such as avoiding hiking during the middle of the day, staying hydrated and eating salty foods, and carrying a spray bottle of water to cool off.

Visitors still succumb to the heat on the trails. Last week, a 44-year-old man from Louisiana died while hiking up arduous switchbacks out of the canyon during the hot afternoon. A 53-year-old woman from Ohio died June 20 on a different Grand Canyon trail after experiencing…

They like to go on 3 or 4 hour hikes in the screaming hot desert carrying maybe an entire liter of water. So they die.

Or they think that it takes 3 days to die of thirst, so it will be ok.

They're dead in just a couple of hours.

Robusto

21:49

I always carry lots of water in my car when I drive to LA. And I would never get out of the car in the Mojave desert to hike for help. Let help come to me. That's what cell phones are for.

tchrist

Always assume you will not have cell coverage.

Robusto

23:44

@tchrist Yeah, but if you're on an interstate you are most likely going to have that. And if you don't, there will be enough traffic that eventually a cop will come by.

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