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14:00
Not bosom here, higgs.
Group hig.
Unless the bosoms get in the way.
You higsters. shakes fist
@tchrist stop it, you're giving me a hadron.
Everybody’s had Ron. He gets around.
When higs collide, like you and I, no shadows block the Sun.
Only rocketmen.
14:03
Get back, honky cat.
Whoa, who are you calling honkey?
Mr Honkey, the Christmas tonk.
If you take out the k it's honey. If you take out the n it's hokey. Take your pick.
A key to a ho?
I think the pick is obvious.
You don't need a key. Money will open that door.
Goddamn Acrobat updating and making me restart my computer! Don't they know how I hate to reboot?
14:09
Never make me reboot, but I have a real computer.
My real computer needed rebooting this very morning.
@tchrist I have Unix at home. Here I have to use Windows, with Cygwin as my token Unix interface.
@Robusto Not acrobat reader??
Get rid of that shit!
It's not a real computer if you've got you buntu on it.
Hey Cerb, do you remember what Rob does for a living?
14:12
@Cerberus Part of Adobe CS, which I need for my work.
Mmm token rings.
No token in chat. This place is high enough already.
@ЯegDwight What's wrong with that?
Oh, really? That sucks.
Blue ones, and pink. And cute little purple ones that go scootering around the moon.
14:12
See you on the flip side.
@KitFox stuff.
flips Rob
ribs Flop
He wasn’t done enough on this side.
@ЯegDwight turns in cool kid card
14:29
@KitFox things
Stupid weird errors.
try developing a phoneGap application using Jquery mobile on Android sometime. Then you'll learn about stupid weird errors.
You have my sympathies.
not that your errors aren't important to you.
Well, naturally.
Mtg. Later!
14:32
But like, on the Samsung Galaxy 551, if you touch a SELECT box, it pops up, then immediately disappears. But only on pages that have a position:fixed element.
And only if that fixed element contains a position:absolute element with a child element that is also positioned absolutely.
How is your GN doing?
Do you ever have to force-close applications?
And that's just one phone. And not even representative of Android 2.2, which it runs: Samsung has modified the Browser and WebView in their flavour of Android, so some things that work on other Android phones just fail on Samsung.
@Cerberus Nope
My browser sometimes dies in the background.
Then it force-closes every time I try to start it again.
On my Transformer TF101 I have to force-close a certain game which crashes randomly... the crash is a multi-part process, so if I press HOME then force-close that app, the game doesn't lose its progress.
Doesn't happen often.
But then my camera and flashlight applications do often do this.
My browser sometimes just closes, presumably due to a crash. But I found the Chrome crashes MORE.
If I put them in the background, then try to recall them, it often says "camera already in use".
odd
well, the flashlight app uses the camera
The only thing that helps is rebooting, or killing the camera/flashlight application.
Yes.
14:36
so it could theoretically hog the camera in the background
what camera app do you use?
But it even happens when I'm only using one application.
The default camera.
hm, odd
what flashlight app, then?
maybe your camera hardware is defective, that could also explain it
Search Light.
I use TeslaLED. It requires no permissions, aside from Camera.
But I think I've only seen it happen once with the camera application.
With Search Light, however, it is common.
Though not always predictable.
14:39
Oiwai...
So there's probably something wrong with Search Light.
Because your TeslaLED never does this? Do you like it? Is it free?
@GraceNote Hello!
14:39
Hi Shiny
@Cerberus It's free, and it works.
Hi Grace!
See, this is the only useful purpose of trademarks: to avoid confusion for the public. And here they are not enforced.
@Cerberus oh neat, it also lets you use the camera in flashlight mode. Not that I've ever needed that...
Downloading...
TeslaLED can be combined with NotificationToggle so that it can be activated from the notification area. That's mainly how I launch it.
14:42
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I actually needed that today, when I wanted to take a picture of something in the dark, and the camera wouldn't focus properly (because it couldn't see anything up until the flash).
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Why do you like the notification area so much?
@Cerberus Keeps shortcuts out of sight
I find a simple widget easier to reach, plus it's always visible, in case it has an indicator, like Wifi on/off.
Like, turning wifi on and off. I want that to be convenient, but I rarely do it. so the notification area is a good compromise. easy to access, but out of sight most of the time.
@Cerberus NotificationToggle's toggles have indicators too
Yes, but you can only see them if you open the drawer.
Not nearly so easy as plain buttons on the home screen.
@Cerberus Sure, but I don't want to see them, that's the point.
14:45
By the way, does your top notification still expand properly?
The Jelly-Bean way.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hmm funny.
@Cerberus Not sure what you mean. Maybe not?
As in, when you make a screenshot, part of the picture you took is visible in the notification drawer if that is your top notification.
My top notification is Notification Toggle.
When I put widgetoid in my drawer, the way you have your notification toggles, the expansion didn't work any more.
Presumably because Widgetoid occupied the top notification slot, yes.
Let me turn off the "hog the top spot" feature and see what happens.
14:49
Okay, before I go crazy from trying to study 329 questions to prove something I already know, has anyone else gotten a result from code:the that does not have the word "the" in a code block?
Good idea.
@GraceNote Umm I have never search for code:the, but it did seem to work for other words, except that the index was not up to date, so recent questions didn't turn up.
"Newton thought of a way to explain the workings of the solar system." Does that sound like a cursory glance to you? — Robusto 44 secs ago
I get lots of code blocks when I search for that.
@Cerberus I'm just working off of this claim that kiamlaluno had that it didn't work, and so far it's looking peachy clean, working entirely as designed.
Or when that smile appeared on her face, I knew she was thinking of her lover and all the things he had said to her.
@GraceNote That's probably the delayed index, then.
I don't know how far it is behind, could be days.
14:52
Indexing works fine, I can get results from yesterday, which includes the very most recent instance of "the" in code formatting
Perhaps it is only delayed for Meta, then?
Isn't delayed on meta, either, s'far as I can tell
Oh wait, perhaps it doesn't search comments?
It doesn't, but that is irrelevant to the claim
If he searched in comments, and couldn't find what he wanted...
That made me think the index was not up to date yesterday, because I couldn't find code:crappy from the question about Keywords, which was in the comments.
I don't know why I assumed a delay. Probably because I was trying to find the match in this recent comment I knew it had to be in.
Perhaps Kiam made the same error.
14:57
@Cerberus Hey, look at that! It WAS blocking the new expanded notifications. One more reason to switch to CM10 when it is released.
And when I rebooted my phone, the app updated itself to a newer version! Not much seems to have changed though.
@Cerberus Still is irrelevant, he's saying that the results do not contain the term at all when they very much do.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What does that have to do with CM10? Seems like a reason to switch to Widgetoid to me, hehe.
@Cerberus CM10 has the functionality of NotificationToggle built in
or, CM9 does, anyway
By the way, Widgetoid can also do exactly what Not. Toggle can, but so much more. You can also add programs as toggle buttons (they are just regular shortcuts).
You can do that with NotificationToggle too, but it costs $1
15:01
Widgetoid is free. And you can make it transparent too!
I also like the toggle that lets me switch screen turn-off delay between whichever period I set.
@GraceNote Hmm that's weird?
@GraceNote I just searched for code:at and this is the top result. There is exactly one piece of code on that page, and it does not contain an at.
@ЯegDwight Search for code:"at"
Mkay. So what does "code:at" search for, then?
Huh.
@ЯegDwight The same thing that code:++, code:is, and code:a all return : everything, because it's an empty search term. That it returns everything is actually kinda bad, but this is resulting from the fact that the stuff is being clipped out
15:04
I see.
I already reported internally that this is returning results instead of, well, not.
Okay, so code: always needs quotation marks?
Yes, you're searching for entities that are not normally searchable (especially symbols, recall the original intent) - explicit identification is a must.
@GraceNote do you know why, for example code:it return different results to code:at? I expect everything to be the same each time
It seems to break less if the word has at least 3 letters, but it's better to just always use quotation marks
15:05
I don't understand that, but OK, noted.
@MattЭллен I got the same results each time I did that on every search input, and I just did both it and at now and I have identical search pages
@GraceNote oh. so did I. I'm sure it was different a moment ago
oh well.
@MattЭллен That would probably be because a new post changed the organization of relevance
New posts should be forbidden.
They always mess things up.
15:07
I know!!
They're duplicates of something anyway.
If not in letter, then in spirit.
Actually, how's that for an idea. Each SE site is allowed to have exactly X questions. If you have reached the threshold, then to add another question you have to ditch an older one.
Yay!
Same for new users.
the threshold should be 5
That would be convenient.
@MattЭллен get out of my head. I had just that number in there.
15:09
Not 7?
I am the number thief!
Evil, thy name is Matt.
Oval, thy name is egg
It said "Say, 1000. Or five". But I dropped it. Because ambiguous and also brevity.
Not that ambiguous?
15:10
One thousand. Or five. Five what? Five thousand? Or just five?
Or say it five times.
Anyway. I think this idea should apply to the entire Internet as a whole.
Yes!
You want to add shit to the Internet? Remove some other shit first.
5 websites at any one time?
15:11
Except I should get to decide what to drop!
Because I don't want any stupid Kardashian shit.
Pushing out my beautiful NASA photos.
I figure you're no big fan of NBC, then.
yeah, Bajor forever!
15:12
What's NBC?
@ЯegDwight Oh, in that vein. That didn't even occur to me, but I suppose I'm Different.
Non-breaking Cats
@KitFox dunno, but reddit said they skipped 9/11 Moment Of Silence for Kardashian interview.
Somebody should purge Wikipedia too.
I think the majority of articles is about sports or celebrities or television shows.
@Cerberus Wikipedia purges itself just fine. You can't add new stuff at this point. OVER 9000 admins will delete it faster than you click submit.
15:14
@ЯegDwight That is true, but the sports wall was broken long ago.
They can't stop any sports articles now, nor do they even try.
Not to mention those articles are of low quality.
When I want to know more about what the lyrics of a song mean, the article only mentions 9000 little media scandals about the song, and 9000 stats of when the song was performed, and where.
No info at all about the song itself.
@ЯegDwight I think it's a great idea. It's not like knowledge is growing or anything.
/rant
a vs an: which is higher quality?
Clearly an.
@Cerberus It's okay. By adding more of them, you gradually lower the average quality, so those articles actually get better as time passes. Maths to the rescue!
15:16
@Cerberus /rant
They sliced off the n at some point.
@ЯegDwight Ehm 1000 x 0 is still 0.
@Cerberus "perfection comes not when you can add no more, but when there is nothing left to remove" - that guy
@Cerberus see? It's rising!
@ΜετάEd Umm yes?
Other people rant too?
@ΜετάEd every person can keep like seven things in their mind. Eight tops. And with the advent of the Internet all eight are "google.com".
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15:18
@MattЭллен Right, true.
@Cerberus You obviously did a search for rant.
Um, did it?
@ЯegDwight Google makes you smarter. And dumber.
scratches heads
@ΜετάEd Ayup.
15:19
does not get it
I think I must google for "commute" now.
I must Google for "barber" now.
$ oed /rant
aberrant
aberrantly
acid-tolerant
A. currant
administrant
adorant
adulterant
adumbrant
et hoc genus omne
15:19
Code:"bye"!
@Cerberus v.s.
@ЯegDwight kthnksbai
code:"cerberus smells"
Vs nothing, haha, I am laughing.
apparently that's not in code
15:20
Code:"shut up you balrog"
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@Cerberus v.s. = vide supra, ≠ versus
A slash searches for things.
@Cerberus code:"I can't hear you over that smell"
I know how Cerberus smells.
Cerberus smells like a dog.
With his nose.
Or noses.
@tchrist Ah, I thought your dots looked weird.
Seeing spots before your eyes.
15:26
This search produces no results when it should land on this one.
@MattЭллен Hmm true.
I copy-pasted it, but it still didn't work.
the magical mystery search is beyond me
(You didn't have the asterisks.)
Oh. how odd. I had it when I tried it, maybe it got removed?
or I accidentally deleted it
it seems to only work for stopwords
no, it works for Shortage
puzzled
15:35
but not arrive
Hello hot turkey sandwich on rustic bread. Today, ima gonna eat you.
Wow.
You're so nice to us.
That sandwich won't give up without a fight!
@KitFox Stupid sandwich, letting itself be caught like that.
mumbles something with mouth full
15:41
victory is yours!
The concept is excellent, but the execution leaves something to be desired. Unlike the pulled pork I had on Monday, which was exquisite.
The sandwich doesn't care. It has lost its last battle.
16:05
Anyone have an OED handy? If so, can you look up dasky for me? I'm at work and can't do that.
OK.
@Robusto No hits!
Damn.
Be the voice of the night and Florida in my ear.
Use dasky words and dusky images.
Darken your speech.
From "Two Figures in Dense Violet Light" by Wallace Stevens.
I only have dascon/dascan/daskan "to ponder".
I suppose I should take it as a made-up word that gives the line alliteration and assonance.
That would be a bit disappointing.
16:13
Yeah. I've found Stevens' vocabulary to go beyond the reach of most dictionaries at times. But usually I can track the meanings down.
@Cerberus I wouldn't put it beyond possible that he might mean that.
Could be.
"Pondering words".
Yes.
But it is an old word: most recent quotation is from the 17th century.
ponderous words.
Could be...
16:15
That makes no difference. Stevens gave the vocabulary a lot of exercise.
I like "pondering" words better. "Ponderous" means something different.
The meaning is "to ponder, consider", so the weighty element is perhaps not present.
I know, but it feels heavy.
He may have thought of ponderous and come up with a word that could theoretically mean something similar.
But "dasky" has a light feel to it.
Anything's possible...
16:17
A lighter way of saying "heavy."
:-)
Heh.
I'm pretty sure he doesn't mean heavy there.
From the poem, it seems like some serious discussion going on.
Maybe that's just...what's that stupid word? transference? projection.
@Robusto But in the presence of "darken your speech"?
@Cerberus Dark is not necessarily heavy.
16:19
> If it be bruised, these places will look more dasky or blackish than the rest
> Under side fuscous; all wings have a dasky line beyond the middle.
Yeah, "darken your speech" sounds more like "talk sexy."
You might want to read the whole poem.
I think dasky means just darkish.
Or perhaps later writers have interpreted Wallace's word that way, and started using it themselves.
> Very much branched, flbrous, fleshy, a little tough; pileoli very numerous, recurved and imbricate, fibrous-tomentose, dasky-gray.
Yeah, that's probably it.
@Robusto That's a bad scan of "dusky."
16:21
@Cerberus The way physicists got the name quark from Joyce, as in "three quarks for muster mark"?
Actually, those are all bad scans of "dusky" from the look of it.
Hmm, could be that too.
@KitFox Oh!
Good point.
I was thinking the difference compared to dusky seemed slight.
Yeah, Kit is right.
I can't find a scholarly treatment of the poem anywhere. Damn. Why don't I have EBSCO host?
Oh, well ... off to my sardine repast.
A repast is just like deja vu all over again.
@Robusto Oh! I do! I do!
16:25
Can you look for any articles that analyze that poem and come up with a gloss for dasky?
Meanwhile, AFK.
I'll see.
This version has dusky both times.
My link is to one of his books.
"dusky" both times.
Well, there you have it.
16:31
It seems very common around here to consider misspelling as the last possible resort. I've been on several questions like that.
I suppose I figure people are copying from a printed source rather than an OCR.
Ahhh.
That explains it.
@ΜετάEd Yeah, one wants to explore all other possibilities first.
You'll note that in this book, the title is "Two Figures in Dense Violet Night"
So it is possible that he changed it somewhere at some point.
16:33
Ah, hmm.
Could be.
Writers should just add a commentary to their own work, Jeesh.
Yeah. Frigging artists just wanting their expression to stand on its own without belaboring the beauty with banal explanations.
They are so inconsiderate of my needs.
@Cerberus And furthermore when you suggest a typo it's like you offended the author or something.
"You're asking why somebody used a word that's a typo." "Just answer the f------ing question."
@ЯegDwight Somebody flagged this as Not An Answer:
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A: CSS Push Div to bottom of page

RegDwightSee CSS Sticky Footer or New CSS Sticky Footer.

Maybe you might want to add some words. I think people are just being lame and flagging short things.
@KitFox I know, they just don't understand art.
@ΜετάEd Yeah, a typo is a bit sloppy; but then it may very well be the publisher, not the author.
@ΜετάEd Yeah, that's got to be it. Thanks. Had me going. I would have looked in my printed copy of his complete works had I been home.
16:46
Maybe I'll get my husband that for his birthday.
@Cerberus I remember a professor commenting how a proofreader had changed Yeats's "solider Aristotle" to "soldier Aristotle" in the poem "Among School Children".
art you say?
W. T. F.
that's in Oslo
I think
Yeah, Vigeland Park
It's called something like "Man attacked by babies"
anyway, it made me laugh a lot yesterday, so I thought I'd share :D
17:04
Oh hey, want to see my nano idea?
I posted it over in The Overlook.
17:17
I HATE DATEPICKERS! I HATE VALIDATION! I WANT TO GO HOME AND TAKE A NAP!
Napping is good for programmers. it helps us think. It should be in our contracts that we're allowed to nap when we feel it's necessary
I can't figure out how to handle undefined dates.
in JS or in the server?
javascript.
I can't think about it right.
I have two problems and I keep confusing them.
if the date is undefined then you stop and tell the user they need to pick a date
17:25
No, it's not that simple. It's a hidden field. Sometimes it will have a value and sometimes not.
So I need to know when there is no value, so I can put one in if I need to.
so start it with a value of "" and fill it if it === that?
bbl, eetins
Well, it seems I can only get it to work properly if I use datelimit == "", but my boss says it doesn't work in IE if I do that. I will check again though.
Well, it works fine for me. I've looked at this stuff so much, I can't be sure I have any clue now though.
17:56
@Robusto Wow. Stupid proofreader. I mean, I can understand that you would find that "solider" suspicious, but you would certainly want to ask first, if the text is artistic.
@MattЭллен Love it!

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