The Nineteenth Byte

Neil

16:00

@Mayube yeah I only mentioned that because of the Temtem with that name

Mayube

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm obtuse "point zero five"

in fact I'd probably be even more obtuse than that "zero point zero five"

Radvylf Programs

Opinions on my new practical language idea's current comment syntax?:

{}: line comment

{: nestable block comment :}

Mayube

:} reminds me of flowey

PyGamer0

:{

@RadvylfPrograms weird....

DLosc

I prounounce "Obi-Wan Kenobi" the way they pronounce it in the movies... 🤔

Radvylf Programs

16:02

I also have {-: and :-}, non-nestable raw block comments

PyGamer0

obi-wan is from Star wars right?

Mayube

yes

DLosc

@RadvylfPrograms The line comment syntax doesn't feel like comment syntax to me.

Mayube

@DLosc in my head princess leia pronounces it the same way I do, but she probably doesn't actually. It's been a long time

Radvylf Programs

Maybe ; since I'm not using it

PyGamer0

16:03

i never watched star wars ...

Mayube

I don't tend to rewatch movies I didn't love :P

DLosc

To be fair, I've probably only seen the actual movie twice. But one sees clips everywhere, and also this is on my "favorite songs" playlist X^D

Ginger

do you like my art:

mathcat

woah

blender?

Adám

@RadvylfPrograms The line comment syntax doesn't really add anything, does it?

// line comment
/: nestable block comment :/

might be better.

Radvylf Programs

16:11

I'm already using //

I like the symmetry of {:, too

I'm thinking ; for line comments

That way you can still end lines with them, out of habit if you're a JS programmer, without harming anything. Plus, it's used by other languages I like.

Ginger

@mathcat Paint 3D

mathcat

wait wat?

how?

Mayube

@DLosc I was expecting seagulls

att

@Adám Great, an excuse to learn APL :)

Radvylf Programs

Some code in an unfinished prototype of the practical language I'm working on: gist.github.com/Radvylf/0fed1487c8eeb62e27392091780f2236

Mayube

16:25

> rws
RedwolfScript? :P

Radvylf Programs

Possibly :p

Adám

16:38

@att That's the idea, yes.

PyGamer0

@Adám phase 1 is easy, i got 3 of them rn ...

pxeger

@lyxal looks like Gru's girlfriend

or Madeline from Celeste

Ginger

@RadvylfPrograms that looks like an unholy union of C and JS

Radvylf Programs

Really? To me it feels more like taking JS, putting RWS next to it, tying them together with a rubber band, pulling RWS over to C, then letting go. RWS lands directly opposite to C relative to JS

Ginger

exactly

it's also in many ways the polar opposite of Etch

Radvylf Programs

16:49

I made this helpful diagram

Ginger

@Ginger ~~for example, lots of people will use it~~

Radvylf Programs

I'm thinking I'll make it transpile to JS for now

Mayube

@RadvylfPrograms I love that your brain explains things with weird analogies like this. I do the same

Ginger

my brain explains things very simply

Etch would be a lot better if I could be bothered to work on it

pxeger

@Mayube I think it's done for comedic value

Ginger

16:52

there are like 50 tiny things that would take me like 60 seconds to add but would vastly improve it, but I just never get around to adding them

@pxeger Radvylf's explanations are part analogy and part star bait

Radvylf Programs

@pxeger No, I just think like that. (I do do weird analogies for humor quite often though)

Mayube

@Ginger Everything in TNB is star bait

Ginger

this message is star bait

imma go add dictionaries to Etch, wml

mathcat

This message has been sponsored by the starboard. Please consider starring if you want to help this channel grow further.

Ginger

21 secs ago, by mathcat

This message has been sponsored by the starboard. Please star if you want to help this channel grow.

mathcat

16:56

more star-baity now

@Ginger no

wait

it says "by mathcat"

Ginger

Mar 3 at 13:54, by mathcat

yes

mathcat

Feb 27 at 22:41, by lyxal

@user no u

Ginger

19 secs ago, by mathcat

Feb 27 at 22:41, by lyxal

@user no u

Mayube

@mathcat If everyone gave just one star, we could reach our goal in 3ms. Starrers like you help keep our project afloat.

mathcat

exactly!

Ginger

16:59

don't forget to SMASH that star button

Mayube

Sincerely, Jimmy Beluga, founder of Starboards Inc.

Ginger

~~downgrade~~ etadpu

Radvylf Programs

I have another KotH idea

Ginger

oh no

ophact

Yes please, not enough KotHs these days

mathcat

17:03

Starboard Inc. will sponsor you if you'll sell the challenge idea to them.

ophact

What about Port Inc.?

Radvylf Programs

You control a bunch of soldiers. They're basically points on a map. They move in tiny increments, and the time it takes for you to calculate which direction to make the next movement determines how many ticks you have to wait before you can move again

ophact

and then?

Radvylf Programs

They shoot at each other and stuff

Mayube

The amount of times I've come up with a koth idea then realised it's just asking people to write Starcraft bots...

ophact

17:04

@RadvylfPrograms But then soldiers can just shoot from arbitrary places without the need to move.

Would be interesting though

Mayube

presumably the soldiers have a maximum range

ophact

@mathcat If I sell the challenge idea to you, can I get 100 stars?

on the above message

mathcat

hmm

@Starboard Inc. onions?

Mayube

Counter offer: 3 stars and a firm handshake

ophact

@mathcat You should change your username to Starboard Inc. and partner with Ginger Industries

mathcat

17:06

lol

Radvylf Programs

@ophact There'd be lots of obstacles and things they can do (like running to pick up more ammo or better weapons)

DLosc

@Mayube That's on the playlist too. ^_^ (But it doesn't have a pronunciation of "Obi-Wan" in it.)

ophact

@RadvylfPrograms Sounds fun. Post please!

but sandbox first

(obligatory comment)

Radvylf Programs

Yeah I've learned my lesson about not sandboxing koths :p

Mayube

@DLosc it does, however, have a pronunciation of "hmm hah hoo hmm hmm hah hmm"

Radvylf Programs

17:08

Oops I just stepped on more inspiration to work on Hunter-Gatherer

ophact

You can also allow soldiers to star messages posted by other soldiers. The soldier whose message was starred will admire his message and stop walking, allowing other soldiers to kill him.

seeing as you're sponsored by Starboard Inc

you must advertise their product

Mayube

As founder and CEO of Starboard Inc. I am pleased to announce that today we will be minting 250,000 stars as NFTs on the Startherium blockchain. This is an exciting new time for Starboard Inc. and I hope you'll all join us for the ride.
Sincerely, Jimmy Beluga.

ophact

Jimmy Beluga?

Mayube

The joke is that the early messages about starring to support the channel were parodies of the donation messages on Wikipedia, which always come from Jimmy Wales. Beluga is a type of Whale, therefore Jimmy Beluga is a parody of Jimmy Wales

Ginger

presenting: the Ginger Technologies BrowniePoints blockchain

Radvylf Programs

17:15

That's a much more in-depth joke than I thought :p

DLosc

@ophact Simple: arm the soldiers with throwing stars.

4

Mayube

I actually thought he went by James Wales, If I'd know he went by Jimmy Wales I would've gone with James Beluga

@Ginger don't use vantablack, use Black 3.0

Radvylf Programs

Hunter-Gatherer's gonna be interesting. The post itself will only have a short description of each aspect of the game, and there will be an "almanac" with much more in-depth information on every aspect of it. Sort of like Catan's rules.

The preferred way to access the almanac will be through github, but I'll have a stack snippet that displays it for anyone who can't access GH

ophact

Develop it into an open-world game where soldiers can kill bigger beasts to earn powers, visit the shop to buy stuff, buy tech from research labs, go to villages to meet with other soldiers, etc.

or allow alliances

this will be good

Mayube

welcome to scope creep, population: 13,000,000,001

ophact

17:20

Soldiers can also build shelters and fortresses to defend against attacks from other soldiers, and detonate bombs or set things on fire

Sorry, got carried away

how will you even build the controller?

Radvylf Programs

Note we're talking about two different KotHs

Hunter-Gatherer and the soldiers one

ophact

Yeah, was referring to your soldier idea

Radvylf Programs

I'll use performance

ophact

And what is performance? (I know what performance is, but not performance)

hopefully you know what I mean.

Radvylf Programs

It gives you really accurate timing information

For Chrome, it's down to 10ths of a millisecond, but it used to be microsecond or even nanosecond level

ophact

17:22

I've been wanting to make my own KotH for some time, but I'm too lazy to build a controller

Bgil Midol

^

Mayube

I've been wanting to make my own language for some time, but I'm too lazy to build a interpreter

Radvylf Programs

Just do what I did for my first KotH: Not know you're supposed to make a controller before posting it, then have different people in the community who all make their own, and let competition narrow it down to the best one

ophact

I actually did build my own language. It sucks, frankly.

Mayube

I've built several, but I have many more ideas I haven't touched

Bgil Midol

17:23

@ophact what is it called?

ophact

It's called "PPL", primitive programming language. Some of you might remember it

It is very primitive

and I've abandoned it

Mayube

@ophact and it's a programming language?

ophact

perhaps

it can add, loop, do ifs, functions etc

not sure about turing completeness, though

Mayube

computational class is overrated

ophact

I definitely wouldn't be ready to nominate it for LoTM or LYOL

oops

it's called LYAL

Mayube

17:25

Learn You Our Language >:)

Radvylf Programs

Mayube

it's called Comrade and it has no concept of scope or variable ownership. All memory is shared, all variables are global.

ophact

what a fitting name...

"Variable ownership?"

as in variable names?

Mayube

@ophact See: Rust

DLosc

@ophact Speaking of which, can we get some more votes (and nominations) on the LYAL thread? Right now, the highest-voted language we haven't done yet has a score of 4.

6

Radvylf Programs

17:29

I once made a language where all of the commands involved different kinds of communists

4

ophact

It would be helpful to delete the answers whose language has already been learned for great good

(or big bad)

Radvylf Programs

E.g., it had event-based stuff. A Posadist was an event listener, and you'd trigger it by nuking the country it lives in.

Recursion used a Marxist, to run the function again you'd do a revolution

DLosc

@ophact I think the idea was that we might repeat languages at some point, which is why those weren't deleted. But we haven't repeated any so far, and maybe we should discuss whether we want to start doing that or just delete the already-learned nominations like you said.

Mayube

I voted for tinylisp

I imagine more people might vote for LMBM if I set up an up-to-date online parser for it

ophact

voted for Piet

pxeger

17:40

VTD?

Bgil Midol

what was the consensus for gibberish?

ophact

The consensus for gibberish is that gibberish is gibberish which must be deleted because gibberish is complete and utter gibberish.

Worst part of that answer: "O_O=nutearl"

> nutearl

DLosc

Wait, you mean to tell me you don't pronounce "neutral" as "nute-arl"? /s

Mayube

todd haunts my dreams OOO_OOO

ophact

@DLosc No, I pronounce it as noy-trall

of course, who doesn't?

DLosc

17:45

@ophact Ah, Deutsch! Sehr gut.

Neil

@RadvylfPrograms I sea what you did there

Mayube

newch-rull

Bgil Midol

^

ophact

@DLosc Another possible pronunciation is noot-ralllllllllllll

or of course, noo-tral, like a normal person.

DLosc

> new-troll

Radvylf Programs

17:48

nude-trail

mathcat

~~I pronounce neutral as "ne-u-tral"~~

Radvylf Programs

I'm about to post a challenge-writing question. Are those still on-topic?

Ginger

@DLosc neh-chyol

Mayube

@Ginger careful, you might summon something

Ginger

cool

mathcat

17:59

*Satan enters the chat*

Ginger

~~I don't see lyxal~~

mathcat

off

Bgil Midol

@RadvylfPrograms not sure

Ginger

on

Sandbox Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

I've been hanging out on this site for a while now and answering a number of challenges, and I came up with a possibly good, if kinda meta idea for a challenge, would love any input on this. Output this string from the kolmogorov-complexity tag info page kolmogorov-complexity is one of the tags ...

Ginger

18:06

@SandboxPosts iiinterestig

ophact

but it is a nice idea

interestig?

mathcat

^^^

Ginger

ѭ◮﹪

(if you know what i mean)

SegFaultPlus4

let's sing a song in chat

mathcat

We've know each other for so long

SegFaultPlus4

18:11

your heart's been aching b

ut

you're too shy to say it

mathcat

okay that's a bad idea

SegFaultPlus4

ok, i have a better idea

we sing jump in the caac

sing with me

Ginger

h

SegFaultPlus4

or i will find some method of suing you for $2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,001

each

Ginger

I have reached 8k views

only 2k more for gold medal

SegFaultPlus4

18:30

@emanresuA what do i do after this

@ophact i voted for Python 3.7.1

Ginger

press the red button

SegFaultPlus4

@Ginger you said something about an ascii spam room

where is it

Ginger

ͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩ…

unicode is weird ͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩ...

SegFaultPlus4

k

ok but sing with me now ( a song of my choice ) or i will sue you for $444,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,004 (444 quattorquadragintillion and 4 dollars

Sandbox Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Draw an envelope You want to send an ASCII letter to someone, but you need an envelope to put it in. Your task is to output an envelope given a size as input. Rules: Given positive integer input i, your envelope will be i characters tall (not counting the top row), and i*2 characters wide (not c...

DLosc

18:37

@SegFaultPlus4 Relevant XKCD

Ginger

> two octillion gigadollars

SegFaultPlus4

@DLosc that's the intention

DLosc

I realized after posting it. :P "Wait, is that actually the same number plus 1? Oh..."

SegFaultPlus4

so don't make me bust out the quadragintaquattorquadragintillon

^ upvote this, it'll be funny out of context

emanresu A

Wordle 277 4/6

⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛
⬛⬛⬛🟨🟨
🟩🟨🟨⬛🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

DLosc

18:42

@SegFaultPlus4 What if I don't know the words to the song of your choice?

SegFaultPlus4

@DLosc it's jump in the caac, lyrics here

DLosc

@SegFaultPlus4 ~~that's a funny way of spelling Never Gonna Give You Up~~

SegFaultPlus4

ok actual link

Ginger

@DLosc hyh

SegFaultPlus4

had to at least try

@DLosc and @Ginger r u ready

mathcat

18:50

Why can't we sing the google song?

Ginger

no

SegFaultPlus4

@mathcat what is the google song

mathcat

utube it

wait no

googol song

Googol Song - Numberphile

►

SegFaultPlus4

@mathcat we'll do that first

10 tredecillion

ok now jump in the caac time

@mathcat refer to this link for the lyrics

mathcat

nah

just click "Captions"

> Matt, I thought you liked maths

emanresu A

18:55

@mathcat ... how do you make a song out of that

mathcat

@emanresuA It's Helen Arney

@mathcat Greatest insult matt ever received

SegFaultPlus4

@emanresuA why don't we sing the output of the python program print("4"*1337)

mathcat

But it doesn't have a cool name like Googol

and Googolplex

SegFaultPlus4

yes it does

it's the 13364th repdigit

of course, we could always go for the 13370th one (replace 4 with 0

Wordle 276 4/6

⬛⬛🟧🟧⬛
⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛
⬛⬛⬛⬛🟧
🟧🟧🟧🟧🟧

ez

i had a 1 in 11 guess and just first tried it

i'm the 9.090909090909090909090909090909090909090909090909090909090909%

emanresu A

@SegFaultPlus4 Different ones...

SegFaultPlus4

19:10

@emanresuA how even, 277 isn't out yet

emanresu A

Timezones

It's 8:10 AM Wed 23 March for me

SegFaultPlus4

also @emanresuA wanna sing jump in the caac with me and @DLosc and @Ginger

mathcat

~~emanresu A lives in australia~~

Ginger

@SegFaultPlus4 I do not want to

emanresu A

Wrong country

mathcat

19:11

@emanresuA woah

it's 8:11 PM here

SegFaultPlus4

@emanresuA that puts u 13 hours ahead of me

there is no place 13 hours ahead of the UK

Unrelated String

pretty sure there is

i think offsets can go as far as like
15

SegFaultPlus4

@UnrelatedString no, it's 12 either way, the UK has the greenwich meridian

Unrelated String

i'm serious

SegFaultPlus4

@Ginger where is the red button

@UnrelatedString where is ur timezone

Unrelated String

19:19

okay it's 14

UTC+14:00

UTC+14:00 is an identifier for a time offset from UTC of +14:00. This is the earliest time zone on Earth, meaning that areas in this zone are the first to see a new day, and therefore the first to celebrate a New Year. It is also referred to as the "latest time zone" on Earth, as clocks in it always show the 'latest' (i.e., most advanced) time of all time zones. UTC+14:00 stretches as far as 30° east of the 180° longitude line and creates a large fold in the International Date Line around the Pacific nation of Kiribati. == As standard time (year-round) == === Oceania === Kiribati Line Islands �...

@SegFaultPlus4 i think this time of year it's -4?

yeah est is -5 edt is -4

SegFaultPlus4

@UnrelatedString so the US

i think

Unrelated String

the eastern us

there's like
four time zones here

SegFaultPlus4

the US is 5 hours behind the UK

Unrelated String

excluding hawaii and alaska

SegFaultPlus4

so we get to the 23rd 1st

so i don't know how you are 13 hours ahead when you literally cannot be from all the evidence

Unrelated String

19:24

new zealand daylight savings time is utc+13

SegFaultPlus4

@UnrelatedString qué

so you are in new zealand

Unrelated String

standard time is utc+12

no

SegFaultPlus4

then where are u

that you are 13 hours ahead of the UK

Unrelated String

i don't even know if they actually have daylight savings time on at the moment since the page says summer

i'm pretty sure emanresu is from nz

SegFaultPlus4

r u on lyxal's acc

Unrelated String

19:25

lyxal is from australia

SegFaultPlus4

@UnrelatedString aren't u emanresu A

Unrelated String

nsw is +10 or +11

Ginger

Why are you golfing your english?

mathcat

^

SegFaultPlus4

bc i can

mathcat

19:26

@Ginger you ... you just golfed a ? out.

nice.

SegFaultPlus4

@mathcat where is the (lack of) a ?

?

mathcat

(the message got edited).

SegFaultPlus4

@mathcat oh yeah

you almost joined the dark side

emanresu A

19:55

o/

I see what y'all mean about the bottom of my pfp having rendering ussues

Ginger

yea

New Posts

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Q: Arrange a Haft-Sin table

It's Nowrouze and you want to set up a Haft-Sin table by words. This means find seven words that start with letter s. The Challenge Write a program wich its input is a list of words separated by space, and output at most first 7 words which starts by letter s. If the s is before letter h it doesn...

code-golf

Radvylf Programs

20:10

Chat Mega Steganography Challenge:

> fuvii paa vimuu daaop bi nukudgyd dupooirooiku

"Hi! I am Radvylf."

> kuufuu giipmuuvut muni dao curugi gig gidyyd girimo, goopaadid rutdygtuk. tiimucu padaodoig gipmuu dimutu. dagpuunu goodog gipri kid goo tiimunup bimudub suusgypmu dooi kimunu doigpuu dii lubirucoi

"This is a long string. It consists of lots of characters. Cats are fuzzy and adorable."

And the challenge:

> wunuu doopmutgoog dopmuk fubupdop giipmuru mupdad. kucuwi, di vurunup viimufu giidoop paot maitaodok!

Ginger

ಠ_ಠ

Radvylf Programs

This is the 1st chapter of Moby Dick if you need more text to work with

Ginger

ಠ___ಠ

> padooi cukdydyd gimumdag

that sounds like an insult in Martian

DLosc

20:28

@RadvylfPrograms None of your examples have an exclamation point in them. Is that significant?

Radvylf Programs

I'll just reveal what it is, since it's not that important. A trailing comma is converted to an exclamation point.

DLosc

No e in the output, why am I not surprised ^_^

Radvylf Programs

I was going to but I had one vowel too many, so I really had no choice :p

Ginger

@RadvylfPrograms I've been meaning to ask, do you perceive any difference between e and ɘ?

Radvylf Programs

Synesthesia-wise?

Ginger

20:35

yup

Radvylf Programs

I don't really have much phoneme synesthesia. I've only really noticed it today.

So can't say for certain.

Ginger

hm

Unrelated String

what about the glyphs themselves

Ginger

that's what I meant

Radvylf Programs

ɘ doesn't really have a color but if it'd did it'd be a sort of reddish yellow. Like honey, I guess

Unrelated String

20:39

interesting

Ginger

TIL

soon I will have access to all review queues *rubs hands together*

@Adám did you just retake your PFP photo but with the Ukrainian flag bg?

One of my cats got into a bottle of soap or smth and now smells like lavender

Radvylf Programs

foka moment

Ginger

interesting how that phrase is one of the only things that we still use from Katlani

Radvylf Programs

> Received request to connect to chunnel

@Ginger I mostly avoid using katlani here due to our english-only policy and because I shouldn't be promoting breaking the rules as an RO :p

Ginger

Error 13312: This connection is in use by Great Britain.

well, at least I have coined a TNB slang term

two, actually

Unrelated String

20:56

the blue half has the same texture as the original (blue) background so i'm guessing he photoshopped the yellow half in
which seems like it might be hard with the beard but you might just be able to key the blue out by color instead of trimming around a border

Ginger

that was what I was wondering

Out of context MOTD:

Jan 24 at 22:39, by Ginger Industries

new homepage made by the same committee that made Windows 8

Adám

22:10

@Ginger hue-rotated using paint.net

allxy

22:34

Is still doings BMG?

DialFrost

23:21

Hi is this ready codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2140/…

Radvylf Programs

Looks good to me

I think you need to clarify that the spaceships are only 3 tall, though

DialFrost

Ah ok

Edited @RadvylfPrograms

Radvylf Programs

Who said you could edit me? :p

4

DialFrost

XD

New Posts

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Q: recreate Minecraft's lighting

Minecraft has a fairly unique lighting system. Each block's light value is either one less than the brightest one surrounding it, or it is a light source itself. Your task is to write a method that takes in a 2D array of light source values, and then returns a 2D array with spread out lighting, w...

code-golf array physics

DialFrost

23:27

Ill give 1 star for that

@RadvylfPrograms issit ok now?

Radvylf Programs

I think you should clarify bullets are -s

It's clear from the test cases but it's nice to have it in the spec itself

allxy

Hi, I'm Lyxal's sock

DialFrost

Okey

Done @RadvylfPrograms

Noooo u stole my edit @RadvylfPrograms

I was gna add the matrix tag :(

caird coinheringaahing

23:44

@NewPosts This feels like a dupe

Similar

Also related: like, 15 other matrix challenges around spread via a von Neumann neighbourhood, none of which seem to be exact dupes

allxy

Is doings BMG?

ͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩ…

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