The Nineteenth Byte

Radvylf Programs

16:02

+C is my new least favorite pair of characters

mathcat

um why?

Radvylf Programs

Getting answers wrong on integration-related assignments

user

Looks sad

Oh, i thought because empticon

@lyxal your welcome

Now cookie 🍪 is gully automated

Ginger Industries

> gully automated

user

F

Radvylf Programs

16:36

>:|

An automated grading system is trying to grade a drawing of a graph

mathcat

what

Radvylf Programs

Which works about as well as you'd think

mathcat

A drawing

Radvylf Programs

Pretty close, right? Well, it was counted wrong because the relative minimum was off by like a space

And you have to draw the whole graph in one go so I'm trying to visualize the derivative of a function as I do this

mathcat

Have you tried hacking your online classes?

Because I did.

tried*

Ginger Industries

16:47

@RadvylfPrograms ಠ_ಠ

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Q: Hello Shue! (Cops)

Robbers thread In this cops-and-robbers challenge, your task is to write a program h that outputs "Hello Shue!". Next, you have to choose a string i and also write a Shue program p, so that p(i)=h. Your score is len(p)+len(i). Your answer will contain the language of h, i and your score (please w...

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Q: Hello Shue! (Robbers)

Cops thread (read first) Robbers, your task is to find a Shue program p that when given the cops input i, outputs a program h, which outputs "Hello Shue!". The length of your p has to be less than or equal to the length of the cop's p. The robber with the most cracks wins.

cops-and-robbers hello-world

Ginger Industries

???

i'm seeing double

overdosed on code golf

PyGamer0

cops and robbers lol

Ginger Industries

17:03

oh

I am stupid

Ginger Industries

17:20

replit ded

;-;

I depend on replit like 9 year olds on tiktok depend on roblox

Radvylf Programs

Working on a super spicy new golfing language prototype

Ginger Industries

oh boy

Radvylf Programs

And it...might actually be golfy this time!

Lookin' at you Risky

Ginger Industries

idea: Minimal Etch
it's etch but the keywords are replaced with Unicode characters for more golfiness

nah

etch is not a golflang

Radvylf Programs

Here's a preview of my planning:

That's all you get

Ginger Industries

17:29

._.

looks like BASIC with numbers

Radvylf Programs

(These are tables of relevant data not code in the language)

As with Risky this language will use a rather novel approach for parsing

Ginger Industries

what kind of a preview is that

Radvylf Programs

A very mysterious one

Ginger Industries

i'd make a mysterious preview of Etch but you already know everything about it

...or so you think

Radvylf Programs

Idea: A programming language that takes its code as photos of stone tablets containing the code

Ginger Industries

17:32

@RadvylfPrograms call it Rosetta Code

Radvylf Programs

Almost as old-fashioned of a model as Java

Ginger Industries

ouch

Radvylf Programs

@GingerIndustries +1

Ginger Industries

programming language that uses only the Box Drawings unicode section

Radvylf Programs

String literals in this language are gonna...oh boy they're gonna be some spicy bois

Ginger Industries

17:34

@RadvylfPrograms (・_・;)

replit be like

Radvylf Programs

@GingerIndustries ooh is that a thumbs up emoticon?

Ginger Industries

update:

someone at replit pushed to production

@RadvylfPrograms @RadvylfPrograms call the lang Spicy Yarn

Radvylf Programs

I already have a name for it

Where does the "Yarn" come from btw?

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Gambling with an Alien You met a 4-th dimensional being who challenged you to a game of dice. The rules are simple: each player rolls 3 6-sided dice and takes the sum of each combination of 2 dice. The player with the highest sum wins. If the first-highest sum is a tie, consider the second-highes...

Ginger Industries

@RadvylfPrograms string

Radvylf Programs

17:48

Strings aren't really a major part of the language, I should add

Ginger Industries

then what are

Unrelated String

what's wrong with the name being unrelated ;)

Radvylf Programs

@GingerIndustries it's a secret

But the name's already decided so don't spend too much time on it

Ginger Industries

@UnrelatedString 👏

@RadvylfPrograms is it capable of precognition?

what the hell is this

why have 35300 people run it

DLosc

If I ever start a death metal band, I'm gonna name it Surprise Whole-Body Necrolysis

8

Ginger Industries

18:00

._.

DLosc

(Don't worry, that statement is only vacuously true)

Ginger Industries

you could also call it Turbo-Leukemia

Radvylf Programs

Okay, I'm going to have to scale this down a lot

Like Risky, it can do adicity overloading

And no way I'm gonna take the time to come up with and implement 960 operators

Ginger Industries

ok replit back

mystery parse error go brr

SegFaultPlus4

18:15

@DLosc worldbuilding is a house of horrors

Radvylf Programs

Someday I'm going to make a comic book about an ordinary scientist who's exposed to a powerful mutagen one day, and slowly dies of cancer while supervillains take over the city

DLosc

@SegFaultPlus4 So is the real world... at least at Worldbuilding, it's mostly horrors we're unlikely to experience [citation needed].

Last call for tinylisp LotM submissions!

SegFaultPlus4

18:31

@DLosc what is a tinylisp

is it a lisp but only 30% of the time

DLosc

It is a Lisp that is tiny

SegFaultPlus4

@DLosc why is tail "all but the first element"

DLosc

@SegFaultPlus4 Head/tail is one common terminology for the first element and remaining elements, respectively, of a linked list. I figured it was more understandable than the traditional Lisp terminology of car/cdr.

(Also easier to abbreviate to one letter each.)

SegFaultPlus4

@DLosc ok

but why not have tail be just the last element

DLosc

18:46

@SegFaultPlus4 Because

SegFaultPlus4

@DLosc "" is not a valid parameter for because

DLosc

Actually, now that I think about it, there are a couple of good reasons: 1) "First" and "all-but-first" together allow you to build any list operation you need to, including "last," so it's not necessary to have a "last" builtin. 2) In a singly linked list, "first" and "all-but-first" are O(1) operations, whereas "last" is O(N).

SegFaultPlus4

ok now i understand

DLosc

Often, coding in tinylisp involves writing a function that does something with the head of a list and then recurses over its tail. The same goes for some other languages with similar data structures--other than Lisp, Haskell and Prolog come to mind.

Ginger Industries

I am in awe at how stupid my parser is

Input:
counter = 0;
do
    if not counter % 3 then
        out "Fizz";
    else if not counter % 5 then
        out "Buzz";
    else if not counter % 15 then
        out "FizzBuzz";
    else
        out counter;
    done
forever
Output:
["do"]

5

ಠ_ಠ

DLosc

18:59

~_~

emanresu A

@NewPosts This really feels like a dupe as most of the work's in the date processing. Thoughts?

ophact

@GingerIndustries What language is this?

Ginger Industries

@ophact Etch, my upcoming ~~golfing~~ language

ophact

Maybe the outputting of "do" is simply a result of implicit output? If so, then I'd say your parser isn't that stupid and just can't deal with indentation yet

SegFaultPlus4

@emanresuA keep it - it's more than just a simple date challenge (even though it's not the most original)

Ginger Industries

19:02

I've fixed it, it was a problem with how the parser extracted the commands inside the loop

emanresu A

Except... it's basically the same problem, but with s/ascii art/unicode

Radvylf Programs

Russia closing its airspace to other countries after they did the same to Russia feels sooo childish lol

emanresu A

oof

Ginger Industries

imagine russia being childish, never seen that before

Radvylf Programs

Oh yeah? You wanna sanction us? Well...well...we'll sanction you too! Yeah, that'll show you all!

emanresu A

19:04

Because everyone definitely wants to go to russia lol

DLosc

@emanresuA I don't think the new challenge is a dupe of that one--maybe the one Digital Trauma linked

emanresu A

Yeah, that's closer.

Should I hammer it?

DLosc

Ehh... I'd want to see close-votes from other users before hammering.

I haven't looked into it, but it's possible the Unicode aspect allows for some interesting shortcuts.

emanresu A

It does... but most of the task is still in the date processing.

(See the Jelly answer)

gtg now, o/

Ginger Industries

\o

SegFaultPlus4

19:10

Wordle 254 4/6
⬜⬜🟩⬜🟩
⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜
⬜⬜🟩🟩🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

this

Ginger Industries

@SegFaultPlus4 a snail

abstract syntax trees be like ]))]]]]))]]

ophact

@SegFaultPlus4 Did they change the colors of the tiles?

DLosc

@lyxal Programming languages and paradigms was my favorite university course ^_^

SegFaultPlus4

@ophact i got 0 yellows

ophact

no but usually the black tiles were... well, black. Now they're white

SegFaultPlus4

19:15

ok, but have you heard of this

it's wordle, but 6 letters

Ginger Industries

okay, I think I finally got the parser working!

:)

SegFaultPlus4

gg

@user when you're 4 parallel universes ahead:

Radvylf Programs

Hmm, no flights to Ukraine on Google Flights...

There are ones to Poland though I guess

Ginger Industries

now I just have to figure out how to turn the ast into usable code

Radvylf Programs

Moot point since I don't have a passport

SegFaultPlus4

19:23

has anyone clicked on the link to play some 6-letter wordle yet

Ginger Industries

@SegFaultPlus4 hey look another reason for me to work on Rickroll Defender

2

SegFaultPlus4

@GingerIndustries when you try you're best but you don't succeed

alright fine, you win

here's the actual link to 6-letter wordle

@GingerIndustries btw what is rickroll defender

mathcat

19:47

@RadvylfPrograms really?

Ginger Industries

20 mins ago, by Ginger Industries

@SegFaultPlus4 hey look another reason for me to work on Rickroll Defender

mathcat

Lucky I live right next to Ukraine, ~~I can go by walk~~

Radvylf Programs

You should go :p

Bring lots of molotovs

They've said multiple times they'll give weapons to foreigners if they volunteer to help

Unfortunately I am 16 and live in the US so I can't take them up on their offer

Ginger Industries

I might help but all portals out of the Far End have been closed due to instability issues

mathcat

@RadvylfPrograms will they give me nitro if i help?

Then I'm in

I'll do anything for discord nitro

If I start now

after 341 hr

it'll take 2 weeks

+ underage idiots probably can't play nerf with Russia

Radvylf Programs

19:59

The 2020s have been off to a great start

COVID-19, winter storm (well, not for y'all), and invasion of Ukraine

Ginger Industries

There were no catastrophic world-ending events in January, so February is making up for it with an ACTUAL WAR

mathcat

Well done february

keep it up

Ginger Industries

Hot take: observers are just Minecraft's ಠ_ಠ

Radvylf Programs

2023: Nuclear war
2024: Mutant black plague outbreak
2025: Mongol attacks
2026: Everyone instantly becomes allergic to nitrogen
2027: WiFi stops working
2028: Everyone is banished to an infinite desert full of rocks and still gets hungry and thirsty
2029: Nuclear winter ends and the clouds move aside to reveal a supernova where the sun used to be

Ginger Industries

2030: World War -1

Radvylf Programs

20:03

nah the 2030s cgonna be greet

mathcat

2041: Minecraft gets deleted

Ginger Industries

@RadvylfPrograms r/ihadastroke

Radvylf Programs

In the 2040s, angered by the restrictions from treaties after the Ukrainian invasion that have terms the Russians deem unfair, they come back for part two and nuke everyone

Ginger Industries

stop now before you doom us all

Radvylf Programs

mwahaha

Also I'm kinda annoyed user called someone a commie in the Tanks chat, since "tankie" is a way more ironic and thematically appropriate insult for communists in that situation :p

Ginger Industries

20:08

@RadvylfPrograms they had us in the first half, not gonna lie

mathcat

In 2050, Jon Skeet's dark twin will help Russland destroy Ukraine

Ginger Industries

rusayi

mathcat

20:24

Conspiracy Theory

Russia planed it for a long time

you see

Russia is an anagram of SUS AIR

Ginger Industries

ō_Ô

Radvylf Programs

Okay, radvylfprograms.com is the new domain for my website

radvylf.com and the old redwolfprograms.com redirect to it

That's right, I've got a seven letter .com domain name puts on sunglasses

Ginger Industries

you have 3 domains?

wow

I have none

Radvylf Programs

I have 6, actually :p

rto.run and amidst.dev for specific projects, and an undisclosed one for school stuff and proxying things

user

20:42

@RadvylfPrograms was not aware of that lol

Ginger Industries

20:59

@RadvylfPrograms undisclosed.one

soon I will have etchlang.dev

Radvylf Programs

Just make sure you've got certbot configured before buying it, you don't want to be stuck without a cert since .dev is an HSTS-preloaded TLD

Ginger Industries

I know

Radvylf Programs

(If you're using certbot/letsencrypt, that is, and not something like github pages)

Ginger Industries

@RadvylfPrograms I'm not sure what to host the site with actually

Radvylf Programs

I'd recommend a droplet with nginx, it gives you lots of freedom for future projects

Since you can add websockets, back-end stuff, databases, and anything else you might need at some point

Ginger Industries

21:07

@RadvylfPrograms I'd need a server for that, right?

because I don't currently have one that can host webpages

Radvylf Programs

Yeah. DigitalOcean's droplets seem pretty good in my experience

The cheapest tier is $5/mo, and it's all you'd need for a website or something like NP/SP

Ginger Industries

ah

but that would still be costing me 72 dollars per year

(counting domain costs)

Radvylf Programs

Alternatively you could use an old raspberry pi or something

Ginger Industries

I've got a pi that runs GB and OLIMAR, but I can't use it as a server due to personal reasons

Radvylf Programs

Port forwarding or something?

Ginger Industries

21:12

yup

Radvylf Programs

This would be very unconventional but you could set up a thing that forwards requests from a droplet I or someone else owns to your pi via a websocket

Ginger Industries

ಠ_ಠ

Radvylf Programs

Although...that'd definitely not be great from a latency perspective

And it adds another point of failure

Is it going to be a static site?

Ginger Industries

yes

Radvylf Programs

If is is, or doesn't have too many moving parts, I'd be glad to host it on my droplet

Although if it's fully static you could just use github pages IIRC

Ginger Industries

21:15

I could, but you can only have a limited number of those and I want a personal one as well

DLosc

21:31

@RadvylfPrograms I'd put the U.S. presidential election and attack on the capitol ahead of a winter storm :P

Radvylf Programs

Ooh good one yeah

The winter storm definitely had more of an impact on me than the capitol stuff did, but it obviously didn't affect much outside of Texas

DLosc

It was super cold where I live, too, but I think we're more used to it. I did lose power for about 30 minutes.

The 2000s got off to a similarly great start: the end of the dot-com bubble, another contentious presidential election, 9/11, and the war in Afghanistan.

Nothing quite like COVID-19, tho

Radvylf Programs

I've heard a fun little confirmationbiasism that bad events happen on a roughly 20 year cycle, I guess we can consider that proven then :p

Ugh my english teacher just totally butchered the phrase "when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail" and managed to go on a 10m tangent about things you could hit with a hammer but shouldn't without even bringing up the "everything looks like a nail" bit

DLosc

@RadvylfPrograms "Things you could hit with a hammer but shouldn't" sounds like a fun idea for a picture book ^_^

@RadvylfPrograms Yeah, that definitely requires a "no true Scotsman" definition of "bad events."

Radvylf Programs

I hate that this game exists because when I'm looking for GoL stuff this comes up and if for some reason I'm looking for this GoL comes up

What. Complete. Idiot. Came up with these

Lawn darts

Lawn darts (also known as Javelin darts, jarts, lawn jarts or yard darts) is a lawn game for two players or teams. A lawn dart set usually includes four large darts and two targets. The game play and objective are similar to those of both horseshoes and darts. The darts are typically 12 inches (30cm) in length with a weighted metal or plastic tip on one end and three plastic fins on a rod at the other end. The darts are intended to be tossed underhand toward a horizontal ground target, where the weighted end hits first and sticks into the ground. The target is typically a plastic ring, and landing...

user

22:38

@RadvylfPrograms What does this have to do with Conway's game of life?

Unrelated String

it's a joke edit
because he's been searching for conway's game of life stuff
but gets results for the game of life board game

user

Oh

I did not see that was edited lol

@DLosc Honestly surprised COVID's still going :(

lyxal

22:59

"Congratulations, you got $300!"

user

Totally not sus

btw you might want to crop out the top of that image

lyxal

"Uh, actually, no I didn't" clicks no

@user it's a fake name and fake winnings - it's an advertisement

The point is that there's a "no" option on the supposed PayPal notification

Which implies you can just reject the money and return it to whoever sent it

Meaning you can be extremely petty about who sends you money

user

It does not necessarily mean you can return it, it seems to me that pressing that button will alter the timeline so you never received $300

Radvylf Programs

It'll swap you with the you from the universe where the other person slipped and broke their neck before sending the money

Don't click the button

user

ngl I would love watching a murder mystery where the killer can manipulate the fabric of the universe

DLosc

23:15

Sounds like something Star Trek or Doctor Who might have done at some point

(but there have to be limits on the manipulation, or how would anybody even know a murder had taken place?)

lyxal

Okay so you know how github has special closing keywords that you can use to trigger the closing of issues upon the merging of PRs? I think it'd be funny to have merging keywords that merge other PRs upon the merging of another PR

DLosc

@GingerIndustries BTW you'll need to put the mod 15 test first, otherwise the code will never reach it

user

@DLosc Speaking of manipulation, there was a Hercule Poirot where the "murderer" basically just influences people into murdering others. Kinda wack

DLosc

@user Sounds vaguely familiar... though maybe I'm thinking of the one where the guy turns himself in because he thinks he's been committing murders and not remembering it afterwards, but it turns out he's actually being framed by the real murderer.

Radvylf Programs

23:33

@user Just change the fabric of the universe into asbestos fabric

Give everyone cancer

It's funny just how many questions on wb.se are just "asbestos"

The SE API must've changed...

My random questions script broke

Huh..."page above 25 requires auth token"

user

@DLosc Hmm, I don't want to spoil it for you, but the one I'm thinking of has a different plot

DLosc

@user Yeah, sounds different. Thanks for no spoiler. :) I haven't been reading a lot of Agatha Christie lately, but I'll pick one up from time to time.

user

It's called Curtain: Poirot's last mystery or something like that, I think

I'm just getting started with Agatha Christie myself, been meaning to read her books for a while

caird coinheringaahing

23:57

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