PSQ with 3 up votes

@ArcticChar All D's are gone.

@user21820 All D's are gone.

Why has this PSQ-like post been so abnormally upvoted?

One more vote needed: C1

For closure: C2, C3, C4, C5, C6, C7, C8, C9

For deletion: D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, D6, D7, D8, D9

@Saad I haven't upvoted it myself but I guess the question is too tough to solve (maybe I am not familiar with integrals) and like the question toughness so upvoted it as well as also even the question background hasn't been provided but attempt it

Anyway it should be closed imo

that "where f(1)=0, then what is e^e^f(2)-1 is equal to?" is like anti-context. makes it sound like even more of a PSQ than if they'd just given the integral

@Peter @ParamanandSingh @amWhy @Saad @XanderHenderson: This RH bunk has been undeleted. Time to delete and follow?

This ex-PSQ has been improved, but got deleted by community. Undelete and reopen? (By the way I followed it just to see how the undeletion notification would look like.) =)

Can we close my this question as duplicate of this. Already I have voted 1 close vote. Some more close' vote needed now

@JitendraSingh Wait, isn't the problem in your question quite different from the duplicate, and also the official solution you quoted wrong, which is why you asked for your solution to be verified? I don't have an issue with closing as an abstract duplicate, but I just want to confirm.

@MartinR @XanderHenderson: I did not get any notification on the improved post that I had followed before undeleting. =(

C10

@Saad: Can I ask you, since you've been using the following feature for some time, do you actually get notifications, and do you know why I didn't get it for the post I just mentioned?

@user21820 I do get notified, but every day there's an influx of notifications.

You don't get notification from any of the followed posts?

@Saad That's strange. Some other users also seem to have issues.

@Saad Not yet, and I specifically tried on that post that I mentioned above (I was the second undelete-voter, so it ought to notify me when the third vote comes), to test whether it worked. It didn't.

@user21820 actually the duplicate does answer my question and I wanted solution verification and I wanted to see a better solution and for future so that people get more information I am voting to close it. PS: Thanks to community it is closed now. Also thanks for taking interest in my request @user21820

May I ask what browser you're using and if there're any addons?

Also this just undeleted PSQ did not notify me (though I followed it yesterday).

Now can we vote to delete this

@Saad Why should it affect? Don't the notifications come in the stackexchange inbox?

chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/58657743#58657743 I can't delete this question attached in this message as the system isn't allowing so if someone with high rep can vote to delete then it is good

@JitendraSingh Oh I see. I think the community is just automatically closing your question based on your self-duplicate-vote. Though I'm not sure why it didn't do it immediately.

@user21820 Perhaps some addons block certain scripts (but this is only a guess).

Have you tried to clear cache?

@Saad Oh I enable scripts on SE, of course. And I just got a notification on that first question above, but only for Teresa's comment! So it means I am not getting notified on the undeletion but only on the new comment!

In other words, it really is broken. This is bad, @XanderHenderson

The most irrational thing I find among these undeleted PSQs is that answerers, as stakeholders, can cast undeletion and reopening votes.

Hello @Istiak

@Saad It would actually be fine if they obey the EOQS. A better solution might be to require 5 undelete-votes and make them age away, because there is already an asymmetry: Authors of deleted posts make a lot of noise, but authors of undeleted posts don't, so we need to require more votes to undelete.

@JitendraSingh Someone flagged your innocent message, for no apparent reason. (My first time seeing a "Hello" message flagged...)

@user21820 Oh that's quite funny. Btw how do you someone flagged my comment

@JitendraSingh Because everyone with ≥10k rep who is currently in chat over the entire network gets notified and must vote on the flag as "valid" or "invalid" or "unsure". Of course I picked the second one.

@user21820 okay I wasn't aware of that. I am not aware of some features of site. I still will need to learn some :)

@JitendraSingh No problem, you'll definitely see more. I'm still not aware of many features either.

@Saad: I also got the reopening notification. So the only thing not working is the undeletion notification. Have you ever gotten any before?

@user21820 I used to unfollow PSQs right after they're deleted, so I don't know.

@Saad Ah I see. Alright thanks, let's see what Xander and Martin say. Maybe they know.

@Saad Yes, the basic problem with this being that their intentions are clearly selfish, right? Then again, a counterargument to that could be that they answered the question in the first place because they thought it was safe, so they are stakeholders due to having played a part in judging the on-site nature of the question (whether that judgement was sound or not). Of course, our problem is that we can't make out who is acting out of selfish interest , and who actually has arguments...

against deletion/closure.

Can't find the question in this meta post, but it just came here The main post is here which got undeleted, the OP is asking for clarification.

D (Solving the remaining 6 clay math open problems....)

New meta question Please do not judge this question based on who has asked it. In my opinion it has very great merit, and a potential to be really revealing..

@user21820 Without moderator help, we won't be able to prevent that this is undeleted over and over again. Too many users absolutely want to keep this post on this site.

@TeresaLisbon In fact, this question is interesting in principle, but unfortunately without any context or effort. Improving and undeleting it would probably be considered as fake context. I have no idea what we can do.

@TeresaLisbon I am aware of that they are surely more important things moderators have to do in their daily life. But to make a good job, 1 hour per day is probably a minimum , 2-3 hours is probably already more than enough. But the statement of one moderator indicates far less than an hour per day. If this is representive, this would be a reason to be concerned.

@Peter I think so too. We shall see.

This seems a little lacking in effort. What do you all think?

PSQ up for deletion.

@user21820 The only statement (trace $0$) has not even been worked out. Definitely too few context.

Mabye I miss something, but for me it is not obvious that $Tr(AB-BA)=0$ , if $Tr(B)=0$. Maybe there is some theorem guaranteeing that.

@Peter It's a well-known property, since trace is linear and preserved by transposition.

OK, I was not aware of that. But nevertheless, I think the context is insufficient.

@Saad I don't get the close votes as there's evidence of an attempt at manipulating the log terms.

@Peter I am leaving it as it is, since I have already expressed an opinion on it. I see you have voted to delete it(and it got deleted), but I see nothing wrong in that because it wasn't improved. The message we need to send to such a user is that getting your questions closed means you have to improve them, not abandon them.

@TheSimpliFire I also didn't close-vote, for the same reason, but I understand if people want to close as there is no motivation for why anyone should care about that integral.

@user21820 The revision history showed that the question was part of an online exercise.

(i.stack.imgur.com/Se7hY.png)

@Saad I think, the upvotes come from the surprise that such a hopeless comlicated seeming integral can be solved. However, this can barely be known in advance unless an exercise implies it (it would not make much sense otherwise). This source has not been mentioned, but apart from that not a bad question with a reasonable effort.

@Peter Also +1 to the answerer for figuring out the likely typo from the question.

@TeresaLisbon So what do you suggest ? Undeleting it and then informing the author that he should improve the post ?

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@Peter Teresa says "nothing wrong in [the deletion]". I wouldn't agree with the undeletion because it severely lacks effort. As commented already, there is no reason not to try simple cases like "linear" first.

@Peter Actually I don't know if the user is aware that their question is deleted, or if they want to do anything about it. I gave them general tips on the meta page for their question.

@TeresaLisbon The question asker is always notified of a deletion.

@user21820 Oh, thanks. In that case, the information for improving the post was given by me

in the meta post associated to the question, and these were general pointers, so we have got the message through.

D

@Peter New spam.

@user21820 closed, for deletion one downvote needed.

C

C1

This question is evidently a duplicate of this question and don't know why but I am not able to flag it as a duplicate.

@NikhilKumarSingh A message occurs that it has no upvoted or accepted answer. Apparently this is necessary for a duplicate.

@NikhilKumarSingh Answered by a high-rep user

I have first time flagged this and this as spam. I want to know whether it is dealt by community or moderator?

@Peter Yes, seems violation of EOQS.

@NikhilKumarSingh I experienced some strange "declined" - results, so I cannot promise that moderators will step in in the suitable way. But those posts will probably soon vanish anyway.

For me it is 100% spam , but apparently moderators tend to doubt that the only purpose of such a post is promotion. I often flagged such posts without success.

@Peter The high-rep user seems to have deleted his answer after my comment.

@NikhilKumarSingh Good to see that some high rep users respect this new rule.

answered although the first two comments tell the complete story.

@Peter This time it succeeded.

User's question got closed, so they self deleted and reposted: math.stackexchange.com/q/4202025/29335

Are users engaging in self-delete verbatim reposts worth flagging? Maybe not for a first detected offense, but maybe for a pattern of behavior?

@rschwieb I think this should be flagged.

at least if this happens repeatedly by the same user.

@Peter For all I know it's a first offense, so i guess I'll forget about it for now

Which one to be marked duplicate of which one? math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/33878/… or math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/33894/…

PS: Note that I have given quite same answer in both so I hope I haven't done done any wrong thing because EOQs restriction was in main not meta. Am I right or not?

@JitendraSingh I'm not sure they are duplicates, per say. They have the same underlying bug, but that doesn't mean they are duplicates.

Please consider closing this

Why do the users in the last three meta posts constitute such a large percentage of questions asked of users, of late, on math.meta.SE???

In the last year, does the presence of math.meta.se, and lack of moderator action on poor posts there, actually encourage its abuse by such users (frequent complainers?)

@rschwieb I believe so, yes. That is a blatant circumventing the need to edit the closed post, by instead self-deletion and reasking.

AGAIN: Can we please refrain from starring every message that pleases us? Please reserve the right bar for only substantive messages we might want to keep around. This chat is not face book, and indicating mere "likes" has become far too frequent. So much so as to become a distraction.

I really hate it when questions that are terrible go into the hot network queue. The one that went today had to be removed by a moderator from there (it was that unworthy of attention), and had accrued nine positive votes despite being a shade more than a PSQ. I wonder what decides which questions go there. The question I'm talking about is this which even had an on-site duplicate.

It doesn't send the right message when people across SE read the question that's been viewed the most as the "best" the site can offer, when as a question it isn't even appropriate. I cannot imagine what would have happened if the question wasn't spotted by the moderator.

It was deleted, undeleted, then deleted again.

Please close this question.

Potentially duplicate question

Please close this question

One more downvote, then deletion.

@TeresaLisbon Asaf has been typically handling such cases. Also know that immediate removal will occur when mathjax is used in the title (i.e., edit to include mathjax, when possible.)

@amWhy That's good to know, I'll keep it in mind. Thanks.

@TeresaLisbon Thanks for the added downvote/first deletion vote, wrt my last link.

@amWhy Sure. It's now gone!

@TeresaLisbon Did you notice my new prime project ? You can again doublecheck and extend the search limit.

@TeresaLisbon Thanks! And thanks to the third delete voter!

@Peter I will do so, thanks.

@amWhy The third is Peter. I'm not sure what order we voted in, although I believe I voted last!

@TeresaLisbon first to third: Peter, Me, YOU. I assumed the first was you, because you were here! Thanks to all: Peter, and Teresa.

Ironically, a comment like "it is ridiculous to close this question" would provocate close-votes even if the question would be fine.

@NikhilKumarSingh open for deletion

@Peter I know!?

@Peter It's a similar problem, in many offensive questions/answers, also, offensive defensive responses, and also on meta. And it is rarely met with the result they hope to achieve.

D

@Peter Closed; we need more downvotes to delete.

@amWhy Why? It has no answers. Roomba will take care of it.

@JoséCarlosSantos If you want to stop a car, do you then drive until you run out of fuel ?

@Peter If you want to downvote it and then to delete it, go ahead. I just see no purpose in that.

@JoséCarlosSantos That's always any user's choice in this chat. I personally do not want to reward the user of that question, who was rude in his post in an attempt to "edit", where I first discovered it in the Reopen queue, when they should have taken advise to actually edit to improve, not to rant. So I would not at all mind it being deleted.

I'm just not into the "coddling mode" (let's pretend that naughty user was so devastated upon closure that they lashed out: let's given them at least ten more chances, they must not have meant it.....)

@JoséCarlosSantos Roomba will not delete that question. It was closed as a duplicate, and duplicate questions are not automatically deleted.

o/ @Xander! Does anyone else, in chat occasionally write, for example, at Xander, when attempting to ping???? Just a curiosity.

@Peter This one is gone.

@Xander I flagged this post as a dupe, because the asker edited their closed post, but reposted it separately. I emphasized editing the closed post, rather than posting again. Or am I wrong on that.

@amWhy Yes, if a question is closed (for any reason), and the user posts it again, flag it as a duplicate.

Unfortunately, this will make it harder to delete later (as it won't be automatically deleted), but this is the preferred action.

And yes, if the original dupe target doesn't get the job done, then the user should edit their original post.

Thanks, @Xander. Just wanted to confirm what I've trusted for awhile.

The OP seems to understand, @Xander. (But still thinks they could do what they did). In truth, the problem was merely that the OP failed to give sufficient context wrt their question. Anyway, thanks for the assist.

@XanderHenderson Thank you. I did not know that.

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@Peter This ____ again?

@user21820 ?? That OP looks very familiar.

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