The Nineteenth Byte

according to mathworld.wolfram.com/MatrixNorm.html, the common meaning of "the" matrix norm (even though there isn't just one definition, but spectral norm is most common) is sqrt of the max eigenvalue of $A^HA$ where $A^H$ is the conjugate transpose

Wasif

you just first parse the if statement, then split on the pipes from right

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they're more font names than esolang names but same thing

PyGamer0

@UnrelatedString what is gpt3

hyper-neutrino

and of course since we are only working with integers (and therefore reals) $A^H=A^T$

Wasif

@PyGamer0 artifical intelligence

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6:29 AM

so the conjugate transpose is just the
conjugate
transpose

hyper-neutrino

so it did have some really concise linear algebra relation...

@UnrelatedString yep lol. $\overline{A}^T$

or $\overline{A^T}$ same thing

Bubbler

And of course "computing eigenvalue" part is wack

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yep

hyper-neutrino

unless jelly has eigenval builtins this isn't portable to jelly unfortunately

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i don't think it does

it should

but it duesn't

Bubbler

6:38 AM

Anyway, we have so may 9-byters in Jelly that someone should have found a 8-byter by now

A username

6:55 AM

Python is a pain as a langauge to compile into, because indenting

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then don't

hyper-neutrino

imagine needing to indent

just oneline everything, ez

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...unironically if you are going to transpile to python you do not want to be in the position of needing to indent anything

not so you don't have to deal with indentation

but because you don't want to use anything that requires it

hyper-neutrino

just have a crap ton of helper functions in a header and use those, tbh

that looks like how vyxal does it? i think

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a disadvantage of transpiling is that it becomes hard to keep track of what's where and how

or at least it did in brachylog

probably doesn't help that i tried to work on the transpiler without being the guy who wrote it

PyGamer0

7:02 AM

@hyper-neutrino now i am going to do a poll

hyper-neutrino

unless you dislike your name you could just keep it :p

PyGamer0

so give some options for the name of the esolang

@hyper-neutrino i dislike the name

hyper-neutrino

mm okay

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I Dislike the Name wouldn't be a bad name tbh

hyper-neutrino

lol

PyGamer0

7:06 AM

@UnrelatedString lol its very long

how about Laxyv (Reverse of Vyxal)

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you could give it an acronym, like the Compiler Language With No Pronounceable Acronym

that would invite thoughts of laxatives

wait wait wait
Prune Juice
that would also be a good name

PyGamer0

@UnrelatedString DEDNUI (Dumb Esolang Do Not Use It)

Prune Juice? ok

this is the poll: linkto.run/p/3RGDDOM9

hmm i kinda like 51AC8

Adám

@PyGamer0 "SEB"

PyGamer0

@Adám SEB?

Adám

push Stack, push Esolang, pop 2 and Base

PyGamer0

7:21 AM

who chose Laxyv?

hmm it is a tie between Prune Juice / Laxyv and 51AC8

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@PyGamer0 Mark Giraffe

PyGamer0

@UnrelatedString i kinda like 51AC8 / Laxyv

lets see 51AC8 looks like a sightly modified version of 05AB1E

StackMeter

what's 51AC8

PyGamer0

a choice for the name of my esolanf

Recursive Co.

Does 371486 have any special meaning?

(mini puzzle)

PyGamer0

7:35 AM

@StackMeter it means STACK

hyper-neutrino

the name laxyv reminds me of laxative tbch

Recursive Co.

So 05AB1E means osabie? What's an osabie

Razetime

there's no great meaning to it

some people say "usable"

Recursive Co.

When I see 05ab1e I think of the exact opposite of "usable".

PyGamer0

well looks like Laxyv won

Razetime

7:38 AM

@RecursiveCo. haha, try stax if you want usable

@PyGamer0 this is giving off real Flogscript vibes

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every time I hear flogscript I realize I knew it existed and then I immediately forget within like ten minutes

lyxal

@PyGamer0 how about Allyx?

chunes

Are there other popular stack golfing langs besides Vyxal, 05AB1E, and Stax? I want to learn one, but not sure which.

I used to like CJam back in the day, but it seems to have fallen out of favor.

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CJam is definitely not up to the standards of modern golflangs but

Razetime

@chunes github.com/razetime/code-golf/blob/master/golflang-list.md

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7:40 AM

did you just call J a stack language

PyGamer0

@lyxal Allyx....good option

Razetime

the top ones are the more golfy ones

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and GolfScript popular

StackMeter

@RecursiveCo. it's 51

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I would also assume that someone with CJam experience is familiar with GolfScript

Recursive Co.

7:41 AM

@StackMeter No

Hint: convert it to another base

chunes

Thank you Razetime, that's exactly what I was hoping for

Razetime

I should move gaia further up there

and paradoc

paradoc is suprisingly unused for how good it is

chunes

Are they sorted by how golfy they tend to be?

Razetime

the top 5-ish are sorted

@chunes the good ones outside top 5 are pyke, Gaia, Ohm, Mathgolf, paradoc, Neim

I'll get to sorting them correctly today

lyxal

Whatever you do, just don't learn Keg.

4

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7:45 AM

neim's condepage has some very ugly alignment issues i will say

Razetime

do check out the other categories, they get really interesting

StackMeter

@lyxal k why

PyGamer0

ok here is the final time linkto.run/p/H2HO6TJB

lyxal

@StackMeter it's a really bad idea

StackMeter

@lyxal for what reasons

lyxal

7:49 AM

@StackMeter to quote razetime: "it's a trainwreck"

And I full-heartedly agree with the statement too

StackMeter

just send me the github and I'll see

lyxal

don't say I didn't warn you

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Jyxal has some more stuff.

lyxal

@Ausername good

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The problem is, JS's default number type is a float, so I have to use BigInts to mantain the use of large integers. Fortunately, it's only adding BigInts to Numbers (floats) that errors.

I also had several obvious bugs - for example, implicit input when readying a stack for a function call was failing because it was trying to tak input from the stack it was building for the function.

Adám

7:58 AM

@Razetime Approx. 21000 lines of C for the editor, but it's hard to be precise.

Razetime

21kloc, not bad

Wasif

hello everyone

@lyxal why?

lyxal

20 mins ago, by lyxal

@StackMeter to quote razetime: "it's a trainwreck"

19 mins ago, by lyxal