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12:00 PM
good morning, chat
 
12:13 PM
my analysis book claims that for $u \in U \subset E$, $E$ is a normed space of finite dimension, then the claims $u \to 0$ and $r(u)/||u|| \to 0$ are independent of the norm (I suppose this means that if this holds for an specific norm, then it holds for every norm on $E$). I know that every two norms on $E$ are equivalent, but how does that imply that the convergences are the same? the first one is clear to me (since we're taking limits in a hausdorff space without changing the topology)
but the second one is not that clear for me
 
spell out what equivalence means when you look at $r(u)/\lVert u\rVert$ for different norms
 
context: the book is claiming that the notion of differentiability at a point holds beyond $\mathbb{R}^n$ and $\mathbb{R}^m$. it says that we can change that by any finitie-dimensional, normed vector spaces $E$ and $F$ in such a way that $f:E \to F$ is differentiable at $u\in E$ if there's an open set $U\ni u$, a linear mapping $T:E \to F$ and a continuous function $r: E \to F$ s.t. $f(u+h) = f(u) + T(h) + r(h)$ with $r(h)/||u|| \to 0$ as $u \to 0$
@Thorgott equivalence of norms? like $\alpha||u||_1 \le ||u||_2 \le \beta ||u||_1$?
 
right, so apply that to the quotient
 
ok, that's what I thought first
I was expecting to have some deeper topological fact, but there isn't (I think?)
 
@Silent bu... but it got no exercise. How will you retain it?
 
12:33 PM
Hi
i want to solve a logarithmic ecuation
but i cant understand
is log_2(x^2) + 3log_2(x) = 10
 
use log laws
 
i tried, but i dont think that 3log_2(x^3) = 10 works
 
get the coefficient out the front the same ( using log laws), then combine the log terms (using log laws)
 
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@robjohn Geometry Dash?
 
12:36 PM
@user2103480 How are you getting $\Bbb P( |\varepsilon X| \geq M) \geq \Bbb P( |X| \geq M)$, I don't see how that automatically follows?
 
Hello
 
@NicolásCastellanos pardon?
 
what is pardon?
is that your icon remembersme geometry dash
@Monty So it becomes 3 * log2(x^3) = 10?
 
@NicolásCastellanos I am not sure what your question is. Are you asking if I am someone else?
 
@robjohn No, i believed that you plays geometry dash
your icon is similar to a geometry dash icon
 
12:43 PM
Oh, no. Never played Geometry Dash
My avatar is 2 years older than Geometry Dash
 
Except the mask, which was added last year.
 
someone here has wolframalpha pro?
 
a request to a speaker to repeat something because one did not hear or understand it.
"“Pardon?” I said, cupping a hand to my ear"
 
mmmm
is Perdon but in english
is like sorry but sayed by a gringou
xddd
log_{2}(x^2)+3log_{2}(x)=10
-_-
log2(x^2) + (3 * log2(x)) = 10
someone helps me to solve it?
 
12:53 PM
@NicolásCastellanos Do you know what $\log_a\!\left(x^2\right)$ is?
 
if you hit the uparrow in the edit field, it should allow you to edit previous comments (up to 5 minutes or something)
 
how i can view latex?
oh alright
 
@NicolásCastellanos Install ChatJax. There is a link at the top right of the page
ChatJax is a Javascript bookmarklet for your browser
 
wehere is the bookmark
hahaha i believed that i had knowledges of computing but hahaha
 
12:57 PM
there is a link in the upper right of the page
 
ye i opened it
i must restart this page?
 
@NicolásCastellanos No, you need to run the bookmark
 
doesnt works
i made it
i clicked on start ChatJax
 
did you add it to your bookmark bar in your browser?
or did you use the mobile installation instructions?
 
where is the bookmar
wtf what am i doing with my life
xd
 
1:00 PM
what browser are you using?
 
chrome
when i click render Math Jax renders the math jax in the page but no in other pages
 
yes, that is exactly what should happen
that is why you need to add it as a bookmark
so you can call it from any page
 
ah ok
ah ya
 
$\log_a\!\left(x^2\right)$
is that better?
 
yed
that works
 
1:03 PM
great
 
i wasnt able to know what is bookmar
now i know it
i have an shitty english
a*
 
uparrow is your friend
 
jajaa
well, i know what is that
how i can use the mathjax?
 
put the latex between $...$
 
i dont know the latex format, in some time i will learn it
log_2(x^2) = ln(x)?
or what
 
1:05 PM
@NicolásCastellanos It is useful for doing math on this site
$\log_2\left(x^2\right)=\lg\left(x^2\right)$
 
lg is log base 2
 
but it is probably better to explicitly write log_2
 
lg(x^2) + 3lg(x) = 10
that ecuation
cant be become 3lg(x^3) = 10
 
1:08 PM
So what rules for logs do you know?
 
the sum rules
i am learning logarithms
 
yes
 
the education in Colombia is the baddest education
 
$\log(x)+\log(y)=\log(xy)$
 
so if i have ln(x) + ln(x) is the same that ln(x^2)
 
1:09 PM
yes
 
i know that
 
okay, use that in your equation
 
but if i convert "lg(x^2) + 3lg(x) = 10" into "3lg(x^3) = 10
" doesnt works
i use symbolab to know if i am doing the things right
 
no...
 
with the first form x = 4, with the second form is 2.xxxxxx
 
1:10 PM
$\lg(x^2)=2\lg(x)$, no?
 
2lg(x) + 3lg(x) = 10
5lg(x^2) = 19
 
2 mins ago, by Nicolás Castellanos
so if i have ln(x) + ln(x) is the same that ln(x^2)
 
@robjohn Thank you for your help.
 
@NicolásCastellanos 10 instead of 19
 
@user3733558 Thanks a lot.
 
1:11 PM
ah ye sorry
2lg(x) + 3lg(x) = 10
 
but that is right
 
then
ah ok
so is 5lg(x^2) = 10
 
where did the square come from?
 
i can turnit into 10lg(x) = 10?
 
1 min ago, by Nicolás Castellanos
2lg(x) + 3lg(x) = 10
what is the left side?
 
1:13 PM
2lg(x)
+ 3lg(x)
 
$2\lg(x)+3\lg(x)=?$
 
that is 5lg(x*x)
 
NO, where is the square coming from?
 
5lg(x^2)
:'(
6lg(x^2)
@robjohn i dont understood that
"where is the square coming from?"
 
$2a+3a=?$
 
1:15 PM
6a?
2a + 3a = 6a
 
NO
 
yes
$2\lg(x)+3\lg(x)=?$
 
you confused me
 
think of $\lg(x)$ as $a$
 
1:16 PM
5lg(x^2)
 
NO
 
yes!!
 
why the other x doesnt is multiplicated by the other x?
 
because you are adding 2 somethings to 3 somethings.
that gives 5 somethings
the somethings don't change
$\log(x)+\log(x)\ne2\log(x^2)$
its EITHER $2\log(x)$ or $\log(x^2)$
 
1:18 PM
ah ok
hey
how works the proof that 1 = 2?
 
make sense now?
 
yes
i understood
 
@NicolásCastellanos there are many
 
1=2, that proof has a trick
 
usually there is a division by $0$ that enters
 
1:20 PM
well, i have 5lg(x) = 10
so i can
wait, i dont know how say that in english
 
divide both sides by $5$
 
hahaah is exactly what i was trying to say
( 5lg(x) / 5) = 10/5
lg(x) = 2
 
@sonicboom $A \subseteq B \implies \Bbb P(A) \leq \Bbb P(B)$
 
@NicolásCastellanos yes
 
i like maths, but i hate school
that makes me hate maths
:(
i dont have any time to learn good
 
1:22 PM
if $|X| \geq M$ and $c \geq 1$, then $c|X| \geq M$
 
more than 20 workshops by month
pdf's with 20 pages
 
don't hate math because of school.
@NicolásCastellanos is that like 20 classes a month?
 
i only understand the topics when i ask here
@robjohn yes
but also are zoom meetings
that is 16 hours by day in school things
the other 8 hours sleeping and making my things
 
@NicolásCastellanos yeah, but hopefully that will change
 
yea
only two more years
this and 2022
i wont go to university
not here
 
1:25 PM
why?
 
is a bad university
i will be a programmer
but here other programmers told me that only are teached the basics
i have full domain of programming basics
the only school matter that i understand is english
in computing the teacher teaches powerpoint
 
that's not programming
 
i hate that
 
but some people only use computers to write email
 
yes
the teacher is from the 60's i think
she taught powerpoint 4 years ago
and 3 and 2 and 1 years ago...
the senior would change the computing teacher
sorry "should"
not would
 
1:30 PM
Do they only have that one computer course?
 
yes
Where do you recommend me to look for math topics that I don't understand?
 
It depends on what areas you are interested in.
 
all areas
hahaha
 
If you know an area, you can ask here, or if you ask properly, make a reference request on the main site
 
all basic math
 
1:32 PM
what have you learned so far?
 
I'll make a list
wait
 
algebra? calculus?
ok
 
algebra
all the baldor's book
and the basic math, you know, arithmetic, exponentiation, roots...
there is other ecuation, but allows me solve it
and in the end tells me what i do bad
log(x+4) = log(2x - 1)
 
So you are still in algebra... have you done any trigonometry?
geometry?
 
1:35 PM
ok
 
that are unknown topics
for that i say, here is a bad education system
 
so logs, have you done exponentiation ($2^x$, etc)?
 
i want to go to Danmark when i can do it
yes
that is basic
and roots
x+4 = 2x-1
 
have you done any limits? $\lim\limits_{n\to\infty}$
 
1:37 PM
ok
so they probably haven't mentioned anything about $e$
 
euler
the irrational constants
 
the number $\approx2.71828$
 
yes
and pi
and the gold number
 
how do they define $e$?
 
like a "number constant"
 
1:39 PM
nothing more than that?
 
for now, we only used it to the ln
 
"this is an important number, remember it"?
 
$\log_e=\ln$
 
yes
that is only i know about euler
 
1:40 PM
Though, when on a math site, $\log_e=\log$
$\log_{10}$ needs to be explicitly stated.
 
or people will become confused
 
how i can simplify log_10(x+4)?
cant be simplified
but can be expressed as root
 
there is no real easy simplification
 
1) log_10(x+4) = log(2x-1)
 
1:43 PM
$\log_{10}(x+4)=y$ means that $x+4=10^y$
 
yes
2) 10^log(2x-1) = x+ 4
 
yay for the uparrow!
 
10 = log(2x-1)√x+4
 
@NicolásCastellanos that depends on which base you are using for $\log$
 
wtf is impossible to simplify
"log(2x-1)√x+4" here "log(2x-1)" is the index of the root
mm
i dont know how to solve this
haha
is different to the other
log(x+4) = log(2x-1)
 
1:45 PM
what base is $\log(2x-1)$?
 
10
im sorry i forgot that
log_10(x+4) = log_10(2x-1)
 
ah. then $x+4=2x-1$
 
yes i made that
and then i couldn't make nothing
 
subtract $x$ from both sides...
 
i must to learn that think
 
1:47 PM
$4=x-1$
 
why the second side is x - 1?
 
$(x+4)-x=(2x-1)-x$
 
yes i made that
 
if you subtract something from one side of an equation you have to subtract the same thing from the other side
$(x+4)-x=(2x-1)-x$ becomes $4=x-1$
 
why 2x-1 isn't 2-1?
 
1:50 PM
$2x-x=x$
 
we are not just removing characters, we are doing math
 
but why?
why 2x - x = x?
 
2 somethings minus one something is one something
 
that logic
 
1:51 PM
if I have 2 apples and someone steals one apple, how many apples do I have?
 
you taught me a new form of think
 
This was heartwarming.
 
(I have 3 apples, because I was the one who stole the apple :-)
 
so the other 1 in 2x-1 isn't subtracted because haven't an x?
 
yes
 
1:54 PM
i discovered the reality of the universe
in a chat
hahaha
x=5
 
yes
 
next
3𝑙𝑛𝑥 − ln −𝑙𝑛9 = 0
 
$x+4=9$ and $2x-1=9$
 
3ln(x) - ln - ln9 = 0
x = 0
all zero multiplications are zero
nonono
there aren't multiplications
but
 
you have a lone "ln" there, what is that?
 
1:57 PM
why is there an ln without operations
exact
is a rare thing
but the pdf have that
final of fourth page
the second exercise
"Resuelve las siguientes ecuaciones
is the "d" point
 
that is definitely a typo
 
mistake in the page
error
 

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