The Bridge

Arda Xi

14:01

Of course @badpDr is too busy with his demo of Dungeons to do the right thing.

badp

actually I was talking with Stefano about the AskUbuntu favicons in the Steam answer

making sure no one would take that as a justification to start plastering the site with 16×16 image ads to wikis, faqs and other stuff

you're welcome

Grace Note

room topic changed to The Bridge: of Gaming's StackExchange™ AlienOverlord AskQuestion™ mothership, wherein we speculate upon Arda's phylum, gender, and hair coloration. The lazers are at maximum charge, and aimed squarely at the Stars next to everything Arda says.

Arda Xi

@GraceNote That is not better.

badp

It is, however, changed

Arda Xi

@badp I dunno, sounds neat.

Ronan Forman

14:06

can we spell lazers correctly please?

badp

sure, just corrected yours.

Arda Xi

Can we also spell 'colouration' properly please?

Bob

0

Q: Grid layout for lefties does not work with 'v' key

I cannot get my v key to work in sc2. I can assign a hotkey to it in settings, and it works in the chat, so it obviously "works", but it never works for unit command hotkeys. I have a bizarre setup I realize, but I cannot really live without it: I use Dvorak-International keyboard layout, beca...

0

Q: Does keyboard monitoring violate EULA of Starcraft 2?

I've read starcraft 2 EULA and wonder if application that collects info about user's keyboard/mouse activity (i.e. "how many times user clicks 1?") violates this. If I understand part 2 correctly - the answer is "no" but I want you to help me.

starcraft-2 legal

Grace Note

room topic changed to The Bridge: of Gaming's StackExchange™ AlienOverlord AskQuestion™ mothership, wherein we speculate upon Arda's phylum, sex, and hair colouration. The lasers are at maximum charge, and aimed squarely at the Stars next to everything Arda says. [†: Fixed again because I don't particularly care for just changing your gender. ♪]

LessPop_MoreFizz

@ArdaXi Wacky-brit-speak, GTFO

Ronan Forman

14:07

laser stands for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation not Light Amplification by Zimulated Emission of Radiation

Arda Xi

Light Amplification by Zombie Emission of Radiation

Ronan Forman

therefore S

FallenAngelEyes

@Ronan: It's a meme :)

Also, good afternoon all

badp

room topic changed to The Bridge: of Gaming's StackExchange™ AlienOverlord AskQuestion™ mothership, wherein we speculate upon Arda's phylum, sex, and hair colouration. The lazers are at maximum charge, and aimed squarely at the Stars next to everything Arda says.

Arda Xi

@FallenAngelEyes Wait... our room description is based on SE2?

badp

14:10

@RonanForman I see your backronym and raise you a real citation:

Gaming Lazers. Serious Business.™

Arda Xi

@GraceNote I think that 'gender' is the only debatable thing here.

badp

Yeah, I mean, we've settled on your mermaidness.

Ronan Forman

@badp at least put tm after lazer

then its a brand

Arda Xi

@badp I am not a mermaid!

badp

@RonanForman sadly we don't have the trademark for that

@ArdaXi I know you have to say that in public

Arda Xi

14:13

I am suddenly GLaD I don't have a Facebook profile anymore

Ronan Forman

@badp he's bound by law after the last indecent

FallenAngelEyes

@Arda The lady doth protest too much

badp

@RonanForman understandable.

Arda Xi

@RonanForman Oh, I get it. Very punny.

Ronan Forman

do planets even have genders?

FallenAngelEyes

14:14

Well, they're named after gendered gods/goddesses

Arda Xi

Mars is the male planet, Venus is the female one. Duh.

Ronan Forman

@ArdaXi depends on the mythology

Arda Xi

@RonanForman Looking at what sparked the mermaid reference, Nordic.

why do I always make such obscure references?

Ronan Forman

@ArdaXi because you were raised by philosophers

Arda Xi

Well, actually, the same obscure reference.

@RonanForman Self-taught, actually.

badp

14:17

@RonanForman not just philosophers, but mermaid philosophers.

Like, a totally different perspective.

Arda Xi

goes back to reading The Parmenides

Ronan Forman

@badp the best kind

Arda Xi

And yes, I'm serious. I'm writing an essay on this.

badp

I don't doubt you; I've been in high school too.

Yknow, way back in the days.

Arda Xi

Erm, nobody else in my class is doing something quite as difficult.

Also, the Italian education system is confusing

badp

14:20

It's okay, there's worse. cough UK cough

Ronan Forman

@badp I'm not arguing

Arda Xi

In the Netherlands there's three levels.

LessPop_MoreFizz

opwgkta.tumblr.com

Arda Xi

Dumb/lazy, medium and smart.

But even then I'm the only one crazy enough to try to read The Parmenides

badp

(you could drop out of a Liceo, but it'd be silly)

Ronan Forman

14:27

@badp which ones that?

badp

Italy

(as the Italian kinda gave out)

Ronan Forman

It's could have been any language execpt english, french, german or japanese as far as I knew

UK's isn't that bad unless your upper-class

badp

(There are multiple variations on the idea of Liceo's or Tecnico's and Universities, but only one of what's before that)

Ronan Forman

@ronan then you can start inventing levels if you child's thick

there needs to be a thing to say it continues from a previous post

Arda Xi

badp

14:33

You can link to .svg's just fine, just prepend the '!'

Arda Xi

This worked too, on my end

Just a tad too small to read

badp

It's an SVG, you can zoom indefinitely

Arda Xi

I know.

Well, not indefinitely.

badp

um, your browser may stop at some point...

Arda Xi

Quite soon. And even if it didn't, the farthest I'd get is a completely black/white/etc square. After that, zooming further accomplishes nothing.

badp

14:43

Just keep zooming on a curve

like the Y junction

Arda Xi

Oh great, snow. >.<

I hate snow.

FallenAngelEyes

@Arda Yeah, it was flurrying about an hour ago here, but it really started coming down about 15 minutes ago.

Arda Xi

Indeed. Luckily, just after I got home.

FallenAngelEyes

The ground seems too warm for it to stick, but the sloot in my street is beginning to freeze.

Arda Xi

Already? Hmm. Not a lot of water lying around in the centre I'm afraid, so I wouldn't know.

And for the hoofdvaart to freeze would take quite some time.

FallenAngelEyes

14:57

Yeah, it's about 2C here, but the surface is already solid enough for the ducks to walk on.

Mana

ugh, my head

and my thumbs :( DRUMMING SUCKS

Arda Xi

Maaaaaan you complain a lot.

Noctrine

lol

Mana

@Arda maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan you're right, I'll stop.

Arda Xi

@Mana Don't stop! Whatever will I complain about?

Mana

15:07

the fact that the only times people ping you are to complain about stuff

LessPop_MoreFizz

@ArdaXi Perhaps you can complain about how your mermaid tail is ill-adapted to transport on land?

Arda Xi

@LessPop_MoreFizz I can't, for obvious reasons.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@ArdaXi Oh, you have some sort of newfangled Amphibious tail? Nifty.

I've never seen an amphibious mermaid.

Arda Xi

@LessPop_MoreFizz No, I don't have...

Bob

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Q: Day9 casts list - where to see a FULL list that is updated daily?

Subj. I tried to find - but didn't find... Please help. I was one on teamliquid (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104154), but it doesn't seem like full. In particular, I am looking for cast where Sean is talking about macro during micro. Thanks a lot for any help

starcraft-2 video day9

badp

15:12

Maaan such a nice day here. Sun and sunlight and blue sky and maybe some clouds but oh well

awesome day to be outside

returns to Serious Sam

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp Speaking of being outside

I should probably get to Brooklyn, I guess. Later all.

Arda Xi

@badp Try snow. Snow everywhere.

Ronan Forman

@ArdaXi does your amphibious tail look like this

Arda Xi

No. It looks like this.

badp

@RonanForman With fair long hair

Arda Xi

15:26

badp

and Mars as head

Arda Xi

Get it?

Ronan Forman

@badp give me a minute

badp

@ArdaXi I see your problem now

You're an invisible mermaid

Arda Xi

NO

Bob

15:28

0

Q: GT5 Racing Daytona in Nascar

I'm currently racing the A-Spec Extreme series, and despite having won the Nascar Series with a gold, the last race, the best I can do is last. Last by about 15 seconds! I managed to start lapping about 43s a lap and then it seems to drop off to about 47-48s a lap. I noticed that I'm losing spe...

gran-turismo-5 playstation-3 gt5 nascar

badp

room topic changed to The Bridge: of Gaming's StackExchange™ AlienOverlord AskQuestion™ mothership, wherein we speculate upon Arda's phylum, sex, hair colouration and opacity. The lazers are at maximum charge, and aimed squarely at the Stars next to everything Arda says.

Makes sense, that explains why people don't normally see mermaids.

Yi Jiang

@badp The only unfortunate thing is that the length of that description is now pushing all those valuable stars off my screen :(

badp

In which Gaming express pleasure with the current verbosity of this room's description, indicating they would not have it any other way. Also, a great derail from yet another long winded discussion.

Jan 6 at 22:17, 3 minutes total – 36 messages, 9 users, 4 stars

Bookmarked Jan 6 at 22:24 by badp

Yi Jiang

Y'all have biggar screenz tahn meh! ;_;

badp

I'm currently at 5 lines of description

two lines of people

6 other room previews

6 stars

and a 'disable destkop notification' link too for good measure

Hey @Drake, benvenwelcome to chat.

Ronan Forman

15:36

fixed it!

badp

\o/

Ronan Forman

I vowed to use my art for good, but, I have failed :(

badp

I see Arda also has a dislocated ring finger :(

Drake

Hi all, just passed to show a small dark restyle I made for Gaming SE :)

badp

making him a war-scarred invisible female fair-haired arian mermaid

Ronan Forman

15:38

@badp no that's because the thumb covers the joint, it was done really quick

Arda Xi

sobs

Drake

badp

@RonanForman shh, I'm trying to dress it as a feature

Arda Xi

I hate you guys.

@Drake Add to that the Greasemonkey thing by @badp and that is beautiful

badp

@ArdaXi You wouldn't have it any other way.

Drake

15:39

if anyone interested and like black/dark sites stackapps.com/questions/2113/beta-gaming-se-black-edition

Ronan Forman

@ArdaXi I'm sorry, I'll stop now

Arda Xi

I HATE YOU ALL

badp

@ArdaXi no star for you :P

Arda Xi

GOOD, BECAUSE I HATE YOU ALL

2

badp

@Drake I think dark green on black isn't the greatest thing

@ArdaXi Now, now, we know it can't be easy being a war-scarred invisible female fair-haired arian mermaid

Ronan Forman

15:41

We should get some custom emoticons for this place

badp

so, @Drake, here's a couple of suggestions

Arda Xi

@badp Woah. Woah. Woah.

That's over the line.

Drake

@badp I know probably many ppl will not like dark sites, but I prefer them. So I decided to share

Ronan Forman

trying to change the subject

badp

@ArdaXi It is. Sorry.

Yi Jiang

15:42

@Drake Who turned off the lights?

badp

@Drake The background is okay, although I'd have gone for a dark gray with that awesome scanlines effect, not just black

Mana

@Drake Your skinning talents would be better put towards covering the front page with unicorns IMO

Ronan Forman

@YiJiang I think that was me, I was refilling the personification potion I knock over yesterday, and slipped

Yi Jiang

@Mana Cornify already does that ;)

Drake

@Mana unicorn would be too easy success

badp

15:43

the text, especially the top bar, though, is kinda too dark

Arda Xi

@Drake Why don't you have all the CSS rules in one string? This seems a bit inefficient.

Mana

Oh, true.

Arda Xi

You're modifying the DOM like 50 times to add 50 elements.

Drake

@Arda Xi yes it is, is only for test/beta. I will fix it when is almost finished. But I don't have performance problem in rendering

Yi Jiang

@ArdaXi Alternatively, use a fraking userstyle, not userscript

Arda Xi

15:44

@YiJiang No difference.

@Drake I have performance problems with the Javascript on SE anyway.

badp

Here's our designer's take on dark themes:

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Q: Design for Physics-SE

Hi all. I'm Jin, and I'll be working on the designs for the Stack Exchange sites as they graduate from the beta phase. Each site will have its own unique theme that will reflect its topic. However, all sites will share quite a bit of common elements so they feel like they're part of the Stack Exc...

discussion featured design

Mana

Oh man, Jin. What an artist.

Yi Jiang

@badp Frankly, that looks like a dark version of Programmers

badp

It's more "blackboard" than truly dark, but it can be useful for inspiration.

Arda Xi

Hmm, for some reason it seems like every design Jin makes is better than the previous.

badp

15:46

@YiJiang It does.

Ronan Forman

@ArdaXi It's called experience

Drake

Jin is great! Very talented designer

Arda Xi

We got ours too soon.

Yi Jiang

I'd say sworn Jin's getting lazier ;) He's just inverted the colors there :P

badp

at any rate, @Drake, you don't have to have our approval. No one else here really likes my pixelation mod, but I'm still very happy with it and I keep refining it

(Arda did try it, dunno if he's still using it.)

Mana

15:48

@badp I uh. I use your pixelation mod. :(

Yi Jiang

Honestly? Not a fan. The top tab font sizes are far too small and won't survive the ps -> css translation

badp

\o/

Arda Xi

@badp I'm not talking to you anymore.

Ronan Forman

@ArdaXi what about me?

Arda Xi

@RonanForman silence

Ronan Forman

15:49

@ArdaXi It still counts as talking!

Yi Jiang

Tags do not stand out. They just... don't. Dash in front of tags doesn't separate them out enough, esp. when used inline

Arda Xi

@RonanForman shakes head

Ronan Forman

The italics mean nothing!

badp

@YiJiang eh, Jin has been going minimal on tags in his design

still yeah, I don't foresee as much chalk effect in the final design

Gaming was meant to be full of pixelation

Yi Jiang

And really not a fan of using all squiggly fonts on the footer (though that probably won't survive the translation)

@badp At least enough to have markers on both side of the tag

Ronan Forman

15:50

does the writing in the background make sense I wonder?

Yi Jiang

How can you have inline tags when they have the same color and style as the surround text and are not enclosed in any way?

badp

@RonanForman Jin has listed the equations on the background in the meta post

@YiJiang it does match the chalkboard effect honestly

I don't know how that'll translate to on-hover effects etc.

still I'm afraid there's no CSS for freehanded circles :P

Yi Jiang

The tags have the same color as the action links below them as the action links below them, same size too.

FallenAngelEyes

later all, gotta go to bass lesson

Ronan Forman

@FallenAngelEyes have fun

Bob

15:58

0

Q: A first-person underwater maze game

It was a game where you were in a sort of old Windows 95 esque maze place. It was first person as you navigated through it. I distinctly remember an underwater theme to it where the walls were blue and watery and you could see a lot of paintings/pictures on the walls and interact with them. I t...

pc identify-this-game

Mana

kicks "edit committed while you were writing an edit" box Speak up next time.

Arda Xi

@Mana I thought you weren't editing. Ever.

Mana

That's an awkward thing to respond to. Do I take it you thought I was being serious, or is this another one of those joke things?

Ronan Forman

@Mana you said so yesterday

Mana

:(

Ronan Forman

16:00

yesterday, by Mana

I will never edit again. Ever. melodramatic face

Mana

The edit ruse was a...distaction?

Ronan Forman

@Mana to what purpose?

Mana

steals car, drives backwards into lake

Ronan Forman

@Mana that doesn't solve anything!

Mana

Ronan Forman

16:05

@Mana wtf

Oak

@badp did you graduate?

badp

@Oak I got a degree

Ronan Forman

@badp what in?

Oak

@badp congrats! How I envy you :(

badp

IT Engineering

it's a "bachelors" basically

Oak

16:09

oh

I thought it's a PhD, with the "Dr." and all

Ronan Forman

@badp You can now say "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

badp

we still call it "degree" and I still get to call myself "doctor"

@Oak I know it did confuse quite a few Germans :)

@RonanForman I prefer "Have you tried forcing an unexpected reboot?" myself

Oak

@badp me too, I'm used to BA -> MA -> PhD

with only the last being considered "Dr"

But hey, if you get to use "Dr.", it's good enough :)

badp

Italians need instant gratification I guess :)

I'm not currently planning to get a PhD btw.

...not in Italy.

Here PhDs are mainly only to get into an uni career.

Oak

►

badp

16:12

bingo

Oak

:)

Here's my current status:

badp

eh, at least your thesis got any comment at all :)

I basically worked solo on my work nobody cares about anyway

I don't care about it myself right now

Oak

Hold on, let me get a photo...

badp

+1 for TeX

Oak

No other option

badp

16:22

regardless

Still this kind of work is twice as hard in IT

changes to the thesis must reflect in the code too, and viceversa. Not easy to keep them in sync.

Oak

Oh I do have code

badp

I guess it's the same with all other Engineering fields tho

Yeah, I figured (I actually did read 4.1 :P)

Oak

It's a very early draft, please don't judge me!

badp

Nah

Why would I?

I don't know the first thing about code analysis

(yet)

Oak

lol @ tenfour's edit of his question

badp

16:27

so I see you're planning to take your flag score out of the roof Oak :)

Oak

Just doing my job

badp

(thank you)

Oak

Hmm, this looks bad

gaming.stackexchange.com/posts/17132/revisions

besides from my days as a mod I know there are other users who flag way more often

badp

Well you didn't flag because you consumed them

Mana

whistles

Oak

16:30

True, what I mean is that there was this user in particular who flagged a lot, way more than I do now (I think)

Mana

Hey Ivo!

Oak

Don't want to give his name away, though

badp

Let's just say he's got a 120 weight lead on you

Probably less than you'd expect

Noctrine thinks this would belong on Gamedev, so I ask you, does it belong on Gaming?

-2

Q: Starcraft II vs Warcraft III engine

If you take a look at the two games, they look the same. Okay, it got an overhaul, but nothing extraordinary (look at COD1 and COD7. Same Quake 3 engine with some fancy stuff). Same cartoon like unit graphics (though you can blame the models on this), same custom mode/map support, etc. Does anyo...

starcraft-2 warcraft-3 blizzard differences

I kinda think it doesn't

although it's more of an uninformed rant than anything else, all we can reasonably offer as gamers is more rants and unsubstantiated talk

imvho

(I think I've been proved wrong already)

thoughts?

Oak

I saw it and wondered about it myself

I ended up just downvoting it, since I don't consider it useful or interesting,

but I didn't vote to close

Since technically he can get a very good answer of "here are the similarities, here are the differences"

Noctrine

Buzzmack is a developer :p, there are people who would probably (or possibly) explain the differences in writing a fixed function graphics engine in relation to a shader based engine, I don't think it would help the asker much though since as @badp said it's mostly a rant.

badp

16:35

alright, I'll check later on close votes and make the call myself

Oak

Something objective

badp

@Oak Yes but is it about playing games?

Oak

@badp well it's sort of curiosity about games

badp

fair enough, @Oak

brb now

Oak

no it's a good question

Noctrine

16:36

He doesn't really talk about the games themselves and what makes them different, he is just pointing out that they look the same and have the same mod tools.

Mana

I feel like the people on Game Dev would be better suited for answering such a question but that it still works fine here.

Oak

If someone asks a comparison of unreal 3 and crytek engine... is that on- or off-topic? I don't know.

I'd say it is, but I'm not sure

@Noctrine yes the wording itself is very rantish

Mana

It might be worth a meta-topic.

Then again I think everything, every little minor thing, needs a meta-topic.

Oak

Yea

Mana

I just get lazy and don't make them. :(

Oak

16:38

Umm... NaNd ago?

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Noctrine

I think with different wording, like what impact the changes from WC3 to SC2 had on gameplay would make it a lot better suited for here.

Mana

@Oak I'm not seeing it

Noctrine

@Oak Me neither.

Mana

Which starred message are you talking about?

I only see three of the non-pins

Ivo Flipse

nice, I finally got HL2:Episode 2 for 1.79euro

Mana

16:40

chyea

Oak

Noctrine

@IvoFlipse Thinking about buying Portal 2, but if Portal is any indication I'll be able to acquire multiple free copies in no time.

Mana

Oh.

That...that's an interesting thing.

Noctrine

[status-no-repo]: Can never get this onebox to work.

Raven Dreamer

Here's a question for the room at large:

Would a question along the lines of "How do Aim-Bots work" be a good question for Gaming?

Ivo Flipse

16:41

yeah, I also want to buy the RB3 real guitar, so I probably can't afford both, so I'll wait with Portal 2

Oak

@RavenDreamer I'd say it is

Noctrine

@RavenDreamer Depends on what kind of answer they are looking for. How do they work? or how do they work?

Oak

Someone is playing a shooter and is being blamed to be using some aimbot, he has no idea what that is so he's searching online

Mana

@Oak That's more what is an aimbot though

Oak

As long as we do not provide instructions on where to get them or how to use them, seems OK to me

Mana

16:43

In terms of their design I feel like that question would be better suited for gamedev

Oak

@Mana OH right, I see your point

Raven Dreamer

Another question I was considering asking was, "Where does the concept of Mana come from?"

Oak

@RavenDreamer yes Raven I take it back, asking how they work is borderline

Raven Dreamer

But I'll admit that's much more subjective

Noctrine

@RavenDreamer The etymology of the word Mana? Or who used it first?

Raven Dreamer

16:44

Where does the modern definition of Mana, "a depletable resource used for spells or abilities" come from?

Mana

feels like English Language and Usage

Raven Dreamer

Neither DnD or Tolkien have "mana" so I'm curious as to how the term originated.

Well, I know the biblical definition of mana.

Noctrine

@RavenDreamer So that wouldn't be subjective, it'd be going back to who used the term first in that capacity and who followed.

Ivo Flipse

Mana is even used in the Bible

darn you @RavenDreamer :P

Mana

True. I'm everywhere these days.

Ivo Flipse

16:45

It's probably something like: Food for the spirit

Oak

@IvoFlipse wikipedia lists a different source than the bible, though

Noctrine

I'd consider asking it, seems like the kind of question that would make it high on the popularity thing (especially if gets decent answers) and would drive traffic to the site.

Ivo Flipse

But should you ask it on Gaming or English :P

Raven Dreamer

By the way, @Mana -- where does your avatar come from? I've seen a few users elsewhere with derivatively similar pictures.

Noctrine

Now if you said, "Why do games continue to include mana" that would be subjective.

Mana

16:47

@Raven Homestuck, a webstory comic thing on MSPaintAdventures.com

Raven Dreamer

If I were to ask the question, I'd want to use the word "eponymous".

So maybe I should be asking it on English.

:P

Mana

It starts off slow and gets really awesome; I definitely think it's worth catching up with.

Oak

@RavenDreamer I think it will be more interesting for gamers but more answerable but English experts

double-post it :)

Ivo Flipse

that's fine as long as you make sure the post fits the site @Oak

Raven Dreamer

I can't parse your penultimate setence, Oak.

Noctrine

16:50

Or ask the two separate forms individually and link between the two for extra google juice.

Oak

@Raven by -> but, fixed

damn typos.

Raven Dreamer

I think I fixed two instances of "Loose!= lose" within the past 24 hours.

Damn typos indeed.

In which Gaming express pleasure with the current verbosity of this room's description, indicating they would not have it any other way. Also, a great derail from yet another long winded discussion.

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