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@Robusto Yes. I think it must return an empty Date object, which is interpreted as today, right?

Yes.

cpx

@JSBձոգչ I think the same. I believe the answer sheet for the book that I have is wrong for the third time.

7:04 PM

It's actually returning "right this millisecond".

@KitFox You need to do more work to validate your text-inputted date, or else not permit dates to be entered by hand.

I just need to make sure that it can be converted to a date.

Or else show up as not valid.

cpx

I don't know if they purposely decided to write wrong answers :S

Well, new Date('12/12') does convert to a date.

If it converts to a date, then it should validate properly.

@Robusto What does it do if it doesn't?

But I would insist on a format (i.e., mm/dd/yyyy) and then use RegExp to check it before submitting it to your validation.

Open up a console and try it yourself. var d = new Date('23');

7:08 PM

If it really is an invalid date, d.valueOf() should return NaN (where d represents the date variable).

indeed it does!

console, console...hmm. I've not done that with javascript.

if you've firebug installed, it's the leftmost tab

If you're using chrome, hit F12.

Anyway, we're getting free ice cream out in the parking lot! Gotta run!

7:10 PM

left...left... holds up hands

BTW, check for NaN ONLY by using the isNaN() method. Careful about the spelling, too.

That I know. Thanks.

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Q: Colorado Shooting

Down withe colorado. the colorado mass shooting was awesome. that's how america should be cleaned up. james holmes is my hero. watching people at the theater running for cover was exciting.

grammar

how has this been up for 10 minutes already?

Because people don't realize they can flag it as offensive?

Aaand it's gone

I flagged it as "not welcome in the community", but I'm not really sure how that whole process works

does that put it in a queue for a mod to look at?

7:21 PM

@mmyers if it's deleted by community, does that mean it got 6 spam/unwelcome flags?

Is there a "firehose" feed of all new/edited questions, answers, and comments?

Or is the questions feed it.

@MattЭллен Yes.

@MattЭллен Seven?

Thanks

@Cameron Can you say "troll"?

7:25 PM

@MetaEd That's it as far as I know.

@Cameron I stuttered through the flags. I couldn't seem to find the "offensive" one. It was weird.

@Robusto I guess it worked on me. I was at a midnight showing of that movie in Denver, just shook up by the whole thing.

Well, thanks for bringing it to us so fast.

I know moderating is hard to do, especially in real time. That one just got to me, is all

effective trolling. I need to remember to put my Internet pants on.

Oh. That's why I had a hard time. The wording is different between questions and comment flags.

@Cameron Are you OK now? Do you need emergency kitteh pics?

It's not a kitteh, but a baby fox is almost as good.

awwwwww

7:35 PM

@KitFox Thanks, that's a good one

Looks like I need to stock up on emergency pics.

I have rainbows and glitter if you need them.

No thanks, baby foxes should be sufficient for this crisis

I wouldn't want to deplete your supply

phew

Now what cool thing was I about to do on the javascript console?

console.log("Hello world"); ?

Aww!

To clarify, spiders are not on-topic here. Ever

7:37 PM

@Cameron wow amazing!

@Robusto Nortonn S. Dollars to donuts.

@mmyers what about rabbit/kitten/spider hybrids?

Oh! I want to see!

I don't have any :(

@MattЭллен probably depends on the hybrid. Web spinning bunny: awesome. Super jumping spider with claws: terrifying.

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7:40 PM

lol

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus ^

You realized that you've summoned Vitaly from his slumber, don't you?

@JasperLoy the last one is funny, as there are kind of rules in place. It's not anyway as much a matter of opinion as the other two.

does he sleep? or does he just wait?

Let's find out. lol religion is great :)

7:42 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 it's missing the most crucial bit of information, namely WHO WAS PHONE.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwightАΑA Not was, IS

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I'll settle for anything that has who and phone in it.

A: Why should I use "ought to"?

t-roll?

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Use ought to when you wish to emphasize that: things aren't that way now. and, you wish things to be that way. I think ought to is slightly more formal but only in the very nature that adds emphasis without invoking vulgarity, and that's usually formal. Here is an example, I know the use...

@MattЭллен I thought it best to just ignore it.

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Q: Colorado Super Cleansing

ha ha ha ha ha the colorado mass shooting was awesome. that's how america should be cleaned up. james holmes is my hero. watching people at the theater running for cover was exciting. seeing people get shot and drown in their own blood was pure pleasure.

grammar

Kill it quick!

@MattЭллен isn't it wrong, actually?

I mean, mods are users, too.

7:45 PM

It's advertising for mod.

Yeah but I mean the example sentence before that.

First things first.

right, I'm not disputing the correctness of the answer

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@MattЭллен Jinx.

but, to me, advertising your candidacy in an answer is trollish

I think at best it will do him about as much harm as it will do him good.

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7:46 PM

@MattЭллен You know, I can always edit it out and see his reaction.

At worst he'll lose any and every support that he still had.

So I for one am leaving it alone.

@JasperLoy I'd rather not engage with him at all

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@MattЭллен I like to do a bit of trolling these days!

what do you catch?

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Hmm, actually I think I'll leave it there. It's quite funny and I like it.

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7:52 PM

@Robusto I call that "evil", not "troll". There is a difference.

@JasperLoy Not a spacious one.

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Someone edited out EC's ad, lol.

Damn it. Do not engage is the best policy.

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Haha, now EC commented on the edit...

@Cameron Yeah, it was a horrible calamity. And trolls look to those for their shock value. Dead babies, the Holocaust, all this stuff is their meat.

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7:55 PM

It's additional information. What's wrong with that, where is that against the rules? — Evan Carroll 2 mins ago

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Oh dear, now EC has edited his answer to include the ad in a less obvious manner.

user19161

And someone re-edited it out. An edit war has begun.

Lock it?

english.stackexchange.com/revisions/75909/4

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But I think it will end now. EC does not have NS's tenacity.

8:00 PM

Don't worry guys, we are having some fun in the Teachers' Lounge.

I.e. he's got an armada of mods looking at it now.

OK ima head out. later peeps

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@RegDwightАΑA Now we know where you get all your cookies from.

CU @Kit :)

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@KitFox CU

C @KitFox U

8:02 PM

Oh and @Robusto, thanks for your help with the datepicker.

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It is very interesting that C and F are the most vulgar words in English, and there are C U and F U.

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@KitFox Thanks for choosing 23, my favourite number.

@KitFox NP. That worked out foryou?

@JasperLoy so you're part of a giant conspiracy. I knew it.

Jasper is a giant?

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8:09 PM

@RegDwightАΑA Yeah, we talked about it 9000 years ago in this room.

@MattЭллен He's standing on the shoulders of a turtle.

All the way down

It's Jaspers all the way down.

jinx!

8:10 PM

lol

A very exJasperating situation.

Per Jaspera ad astra.

just merge me into a lol

It's not turtles all the way down. I've read the discworld books.

I won't vote for a lol.

Q: Why is the establishment allowed to stifle my ability to campaign?

8:12 PM

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In this question, the following verbiage was repeatedly removed -- this inhibited my ability to answer the question. We all know Evan Carroll isn't yet a moderator on English.StackOverflow, but he ought to be and he'll win the election if enough people vote for Evan Carroll next week! I'd l...

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Wait, can someone explain how I was able to view the flash video without installing flash? Has youtube moved to html if no flash is installed?

@JasperLoy I thought so

@Gigili what about a lollipop? Would you vote for a lollipop?

@RegDwightАΑA thanks!

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8:13 PM

@MetaEd We have made progress. Yay!

@JasperLoy yes, which is why I was having problems earlier this week.

Cerberus was around to hear me whine, not sure about you.

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But then it's only youtube and some other sites I think. A lot of sites are still flash only.

@mmyers Are we resolving this as "do not engage"?

@RegDwightАΑA I WO!

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@mmyers LOL.

8:15 PM

@mmyers he's a funny guy. In the now removed addendum, he complained that We The Users were not in charge here. When We The Users delete that, he complains about that.

@simchona Well, I was going to pick up more troll food at the store last evening but I clean forgot

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Now I know why EC is called weird.

@Gigili you're a Bavarian now?

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@mahnax Hello!

@JasperLoy Good day, sir Loy.

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8:18 PM

@Mahnax It should be sirloin!

@JasperLoy I was just thinking about how much "sir Loy" sounds like "sirloin," actually.

@RegDwightАΑA I am, delighted to make your acquaintance.

Grüß Gott!

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@Mahnax Yes of course, fools seldom differ.

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@Gigili That works with or without the comma, amazing.

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8:20 PM

@Mahnax I noticed you have used AmE conventions today by shifting the comma inside the quotes.

@JasperLoy Oh, I suppose I did! Look at that.

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@Mahnax Have you been reading some style guide?

@JasperLoy Nay.

I, unfortunately, don't have much time for reading at the moment.

Style guides or otherwise.

@RegDwightАΑA Get. Out. Of. My. Head.

@MetaEd no, that's Kylie Minogue.

8:24 PM

I can't fit you inside my head

although Kylie is quite small

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@RegDwightАΑA This one works without flash too, but it seems that most videos are still unavailable this way, I just tried.

@MattЭллен How big is Reg? On a scale from 1 to 10

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@Gigili As big as a bird.

@Gigili I feel that 7 is the most appropriate answer.

@Gigili I go to eleven!

8:27 PM

@Gigili over 9000

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1 might be the biggest.

@JasperLoy It's the most acidic, that's for sure.

I am but a sock puppet by comparison

I see you all agree on one number.

@Mahnax unless you're looking a pOH scale

because I'm pedantic like that

8:29 PM

@MattЭллен True.

:D

Well, OS X Mountain Lion is out now.

is that removes shades claws for celebration?

Oh gimme a break. My colleague with whom I share an office has been Mountain Lioning the whole frigging day.

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@Mahnax Yay! Are you going to upgrade?

8:32 PM

fine. I'll just imagine The Who then

@RegDwightАΑA Aww, poor you.

@JasperLoy At some point.

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@Mahnax How is the upgrade done?

@JasperLoy You purchase the OS from the Mac App Store, and install it.

@Mahnax the worst part, if I understood him correctly, is that they wouldn't let him buy it. So I guess the whining will go on tomorrow.

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@Mahnax Is it safe to upgrade this way instead of doing a fresh installation?

8:35 PM

@RegDwightАΑA I was actually completely serious, that doesn't sound pleasant at all.

That's my day in two seconds. Except it wasn't two seconds.

@JasperLoy Yeah, it's fine. This is their second round of doing it this way.

Anywoe.

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@Mahnax Debian can upgrade as well, more safely than other distros.

@JasperLoy Cool.

8:37 PM

@MetaEd Where does it say that if the content is relevant and if it answers the question the act is off-topic if it involves a moderator election? I think if I can help someone twice, first by answering their question and then by getting myself elected then it's a win-win-win. — Evan Carroll 11 mins ago

I want to buy a Raspberry Pi, that would be neat.

user19161

@Mahnax That has a Debian version as well.

@Mahnax a work colleague is using his as a media server. it seems to be going quite well.

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@simchona LOL

@MattЭллен Oh, that's cool!

8:39 PM

@Mahnax Yeah. Part of me wants one too. But I don't know what I would do with it :D

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I think it would be a miracle if EC wins.

@MattЭллен I would just have it for the novelty, I think. It's cheap and it's so cool.

@JasperLoy If that's a miracle, I want none of them.

@JasperLoy A miracle is good

@Mahnax the miserly part of me is saying "What? More junk? Where will we pile it eh?"

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@Mahnax I am not even sure what Raspberry is. Desktop, laptop, what?

8:40 PM

@simchona you don't want to see the list of mods who have seen that by now. The entire SE management.

@MattЭллен In your wallet, it's the size of a credit card.

@Mahnax true!

@JasperLoy A tiny little credit-card sized computer that plugs into your TV.

I thought my original comment on his answer would be enough. Instead he goes and shoots himself in the foot some more, and more, and more, and no end in sight.

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@RegDwightАΑA Maybe he is preparing for August Fool's Day.

8:43 PM

Preparing is for losers. Always Fool's Day in Winnerland.

Well, I'm off to work. Farewell.

Fun have you.

Danke.

see ya @Mahnax

I am go homing today night now.

8:46 PM

goodluck!

takio cario.

What's caries to do with this?

caries is having the situation under control.

Who now? Carries Fisher?

Caries the White.

9:08 PM

Hello @Paola, Ms Peters wrote a long explanation on this matter. — Carlo_R. 53 mins ago

9:28 PM

@Cerberus here's an idiot test for you. Note the third option.

Mir ist alles egal. Natürlich.

That one they include in every poll.

Natürlich.

@Evan Carroll. Could you expand your comment? I don't speak English, so I have some difficults to understanding that. — Carlo_R. 1 hour ago

Feb 18 '11 at 19:12, by RegDwight

But back to the Bonnie, er, vgv8 situation, as the Russian poet Yuri Lermontov once put it, "This all would be funny, if only if it weren't so sad".

OK, so if you don't speak English, WTF are you doing answering questions on ELU?

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9:38 PM

Collecting rep to run for mod, duh.

I mean, I really wanna know. Because if it's a mistake, maybe we can do something about it.

@Robusto I wouldn't call it an answer, so much as just quoting a passage from a book.

there's some people on the field out the back of my houses walking around with torches.

bloody mad.

@MattЭллен Well, but in what other field would someone with no knowledge be allowed to submit passages from books as answers to questions? Chemistry? Physics? Entomology? Economics? Well, maybe economics. But you get my point.

Is his entire answer just a quote from the book? I'm pretty sure that violates some rule somewhere.

9:44 PM

what?

@mmyers he's cited the book at the end

I'm not sure if it's all a quote

Q: Why is the establishment allowed to stifle my ability to campaign?

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In this question, the following verbiage was repeatedly removed -- this inhibited my ability to answer the question. We all know Evan Carroll isn't yet a moderator on English.StackOverflow, but he ought to be and he'll win the election if enough people vote for Evan Carroll next week! I'd l...

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I edited out part of it. Lets see how long it takes for it to come back.

@mmyers having had another read, yes that is all a quote from the book

Yeah, I would have a hard time believing someone who didn't know English wrote any of that.

9:48 PM

I would think that knowledge of a subject ought to be a prerequisite for offering answers from books on the subject. We can do random searches all by ourselves, thank you very much.

@simchona hahahahaha what is that guy smoking?

embedding campaign statements in answers

@simchona I think you could have left the campaign quote as it was, seeing as how that's the reason for the question

and it's not like he's going to get much positive publicity from a -14 question on meta

@mmyers -17

And the links were overkill on it all

@RegDwightАΑA Bold words.

Anyway, it falls under the general policy on signatures.

9:52 PM

@Robusto More bold words.

@mmyers I agree. In any case, it's not his work

> You may be aware that a certain user on EL&U has been suspended for voting abuse and that this user has repeatedly circumvented his/her suspension and continued to ask questions. In addition, this user has plagiarized content extensively, attacked the community, and committed other acts which are generally abusive to the community and site.

is that ham & bacon?

@MetaEd Aye.

@Jez Nortonn S

Nortonn was involved in voting abuse too?

9:54 PM

@mmyers That's how it all started. Well, that and plagiarism.

Oh damn. Ham and Bacon. Never dreamt of hearing that name again.

@RegDwightАΑA You're not eating good enough breakfasts

@mmyers I'm a vegetarian, sorry. That's how we roll.

Not in an English-speaking country, either.

And a communist to boot.

Life's hard! Life's hard...

@RegDwightАΑA ~~I'm so sorry~~ Oh, that's nice.

Oh haha now he's aiming my way.

Evan, that is.

He should make his mind up or something.

I can't quite keep up with this moving target.

10:02 PM

why does Evan's meta post not appear on the index page?

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@RegDwightАΑA This is new to me. I have a friend who used to be vegetarian but he's back to being omnivorous now.

@Jez go from active to newest posts

@Jez Score of less than -8 keeps it off the meta homepage.

@Jez stuff below -5 vanishes from sight on the main site, -8 on meta.

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@Jez Because it has too many negative votes. Click on questions.

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10:03 PM

Double Jinx.

ah

> I think if I can help someone twice, first by answering their question and then by getting myself elected...

Why do I even bother answering, we have mod overflow ATM.

@waiwai933 there should be no limit on meta

@Mitch that's what one of Evan's questions on the meta Meta was asking for.

The thresholds have been relaxed already.

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I am not sure if you are really serious about the election anymore. — Jasper Loy 31 secs ago

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10:06 PM

I commented on meta to EC.

the voting system is broken for meta sites anyway. there should be two votes; "good question", and "i agree/disagree"

That's what they keep asking for on Reddit.

@Mitch We have only ever had 13 questions on meta that ever got that low. It's not necessarily the most urgent of problems.

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@Jez I never really knew how to vote on meta.

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@RegDwightАΑA I did not know of the existence of Reddit until a few weeks ago when it was mentioned in this chat.

10:08 PM

@JasperLoy +1 = I agree with this bug/feature-request/discussion and support it being fixed/done/done. -1 = You're a bloody idiot.

@JasperLoy "anymore"? You're talking about the guy who said Urban Dictionary was a primary source?

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@mmyers Well, I have a high tolerance. If not, I'd be dead by now.

@RegDwightАΑA Where?

@simchona in the comments on the answer to his meta question.

Anyway I gotta go.

Night all.

good night

me too

byees

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10:15 PM

For once, there are three bolded messages on the star wall, fascinating.

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@RegDwightАΑA Good night.

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@MattЭллен Good night.

11:00 PM

@RegDwightАΑA Of course I picked Selber, but no idea what that "test" was about.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Congrats! Do you notice much of a difference?

11:17 PM

@mmyers Haha perfect! Yes, I wish to control the magical powers of the little people.

Don't we all, don't we all

11:34 PM

@Robusto How do you do that, get a link to a -comment- to embed here in chat?

@Mitch Copy the link given in the date stamp

@waiwai933 Take my statement to be not particularly serious. I am only greatly entertained by the behavior and to have it disappear and not allow further voting reduces the entertainment.

meta.english.stackexchange.com/posts/2851/revisions

@simchona gah! of course. my internet-fu is ... well quickly limiting itself to google-fu instead of just thinking.

but now to use it...

dude. get a room

@Mitch Jasper taught me last week

@Mitch This is why comment flags as "off topic" were created

11:38 PM

@simchona ?? non sequitur. how ..does..that... mental powers...fading... what?

@Mitch He's flirting without saying anything constructive. It's...sweet, but not on topic

but...what sorcery is this?

@Mitch Flagging?

where did my fun link to his comment go?

le gasp

11:40 PM

his comment there stil exists, right?

@Mitch Yup.

but my reference to his link went away.

the one here.

Umm. I think your anti-flirting mechanisms cleared it out

@Paola - Your style in writing is so sweet that it is impossible to not be affascinated from it. Congratulations. — Carlo_R. 9 mins ago

just trying it out again.

my anti-flirting mechanisms are...well...as powerful as they may be, I think it was bad keyboard technique...or something.

anyway, I have no opinion whatsoever of cats or his flirting (or general warmth) but I was just quoting because i thought it was hilarious. shirt on his sleeve so to speak. He says what he's thinking. hm...that -is- sort of an opinion I guess.

@Mitch What simchona said.

11:44 PM

yeah totally obvious after the fact.

@Cerberus You have to be Irish for that. And drunk. But I repeat myself.

I blame... well somebody else.

@mitch shirt on his sleeve?

@Robusto I can do part of that.

um... need I repeat the part about mental powers?

11:45 PM

@Cerberus Just remember. Leprechauns don't ride unicorns.

-heart on his sleeve. heart.

Q: Why Pam Peters answers are unwelcome in ELU

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As it is well known, Pam Peters' "The Cambridge Guide to English Usage is well-written and based on current linguistic research. So, today, I have posted two Pam Peters answers, hoping to give a quality contribute to the community. But the saint answer has gained 1 down vote, and the ought answ...

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read what I mean not what I say.

Look at the original.

@Robusto Why not?

11:46 PM

@Cerberus It just isn't done. I'm surprised you even have to ask.

@Mitch Funny. I'm sure we have a similar expression in Dutch, but I can only think of the English.

It has blocked out my Dutch.

@Robusto scribbles down note on leprechaun etiquette

@Cerberus I heard it from myself first.

So if anybody asks the question "Who first said X?" it was me. All me.

Also, the Dutch language? I invented it. (had a bad cold one day).

I mean the real expression.

@Mitch I know, I know.

Uh...yeah..that too.

@simchona hilarious. it's about Ms Peters, not about him.

@Cerberus what does English sound like? like Castilian lithpers?

The th, you mean?

Its warped vowels are perhaps the most striking.

Like someone who is so lower class he looped around and became upper class, then even further, down again.