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2:12 AM
do i need to provide a quote of something that is obvious and on Wikipedia?
 
 
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Q: Why are there differences in the copyright information in various books of the same publisher (Springer)?

BrahadeeshI happened to notice that different books published by Springer sometimes have slightly different names listed next to the copyright © symbol. For instance: Mirrors and Reflections by Borovik and Borovik says © Springer Science+ Business Media, LLC 2010 Combinatorics of Coxeter Groups by Bjorne...

 
 
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4:40 AM
@flowerbug It's always good to back up answers with something, whether that be quotes or links or just some solid reasoning. Sometimes it feels weird to be explaining something "obvious", but I always try to remember that it can't have been obvious to the OP, otherwise they wouldn't have asked the question!
A one-line answer which is correct and hits the nail on the head is often indistinguishable, for someone who doesn't already know the answer, from a one-line answer which is just a random internet user's opinion.
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By encouraging explained and evidence-based answers, we allow this site to be useful even for people who don't know our users and their expertise: you don't have to care who wrote an answer, or whether they know what they're talking about, if all the reasoning which leads to that answer is laid out right there.
 
5:03 AM
@Gallifreyan It looks on-topic to me, perhaps falling under something like . Why wouldn't it be?
 
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Q: Is Narayan really quoting a traditional proverb, and from which Indian language/culture?

Rand al'ThorIn the story "Fellow-Feeling" from R. K. Narayan's short story collection Malgudi Days (which I've been reading online), a proverb is mentioned in passing: Rajam Iyer leaned back in his seat, reminding himself of a proverb which said that if you threw a stone into a gutter it would only spurt...

 
@NapoleonWilson The most excitement you can get now is following this page as it updates. Can't see who's ahead, but at least you can see who's voting. It's the closest thing to new activity or scores to observe, if that's what you're after ;-)
 
 
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7:29 AM
The more I read of Bentley's 1732 edition of Milton's Paradise Lost, the more I realize that I recognize Bentley's approach to the text — it's exactly the kind of determinedly literal reading that we are all familiar with from scifi.se.
Take the question of the physical relation of Hell to the Abyss.
Bentley says, "Twas hard, if not impossible, in our Poet's Condition [referring to Milton's blindness], not sometimes to forget, and make his Fictions inconsistent, against the natural and establish'd Rule. We have here, The nethermost Abyss but He makes not that the nethermost, but all Hell below it, as Chaos tells Satan v. 1003 ... And Belzebub owns, that the Abyss was higher than Hell, v. 408 ... And Satan, when he first left Hell and took his flight into the Abyss, he aims upwards"
This is the high-culture version of wondering when Klingons gained their brow ridges.
 
7:53 AM
@NapoleonWilson It's still possible to ask questions to the candidates if you wish
 
 
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9:36 AM
@Gallifreyan As currently worded, I regard it as a history question, not as a literature question. Asking whether Nabokov drew any inspiration from juvenile sexual behaviour in New England during the 1940s would obviously be on topic.
@GarethRees Are you reading a version from Archive.org. The one I found also displays the hand of someone who's holding the book while the pages are being scanned or photographed.
 
10:17 AM
@Tsundoku Yes, that's the one. Quite a few books on archive.org are photographed with hands visible -- I guess because they won't stay open when placed in the book scanner.
There's another copy on Google Books. Both have handwritten annotations
 
I don't mind the handwritten notes, but the hands in the pictures make the scan look amateurish. It's better than nothing of course.
That "Easy Book Scanner" is great. My father has a number of old books that I would like to see scanned.
 
 
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12:30 PM
@flowerbug You're asking about your answer here where you write, "Frame is structure like the rib cage, bones, physical size", is that right? If so, I think that if someone has asked (as the OP does in this case), "What does he [Whitman] mean by frame?" then you need to assume that it's not obvious.
There could be various reasons for that -- perhaps the OP is not a native English speaker, or that sense of the word has fallen out of use in the OP's dialect, or they just forgot. Whatever the reason, it's worth showing how you know the answer, even if this is something that you think is straightforward like looking the word up in a dictionary -- it might not be straightforward for the OP.
Whenever there's a question about vocabulary, and especially in poetry, it's worth looking to see if there is more to say about the word than just its literal meaning. If someone has difficulty with a word, it's often a "tell" that there's some complexity there. In this case we might ask why Whitman chose "frame" here rather than a plainer synonym like "body". For example, is there some nuance or shading arising from the other senses of "frame"?
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1:22 PM
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Q: What does it mean for a person to be "up"?

MithicalI've just come across the short story "Do You Love Me?" by Peter Carey via a story-ID over at SFF. The basic premise of the story is that when something isn't loved, it disappears. Upon reading through the story, I came across a repeated phrase that I'm unfamiliar with: A Contradiction ...

 
2:07 PM
@Bookworm Interesting linguistic question. Who's up for it? -;)
 
2:31 PM
@Tsundoku Someone who's up themselves, apparently.
 
@Randal'Thor hey now
 
@Randal'Thor "their time on earth and literally vanishing up into thin air." That doesn't bode well...
 
Welp, didn't see someone had actually answered already.
Didn't mean that as a comment on the answerer.
 
Sure. Just teasing you ;-)
 
I know! Timing was just too good to pass on though.
 
2:34 PM
Hey @Skooba - as an American, did you know the phrase "up themselves" with the meaning I mentioned?
 
yes, but we typically say "they have have their head up their own ass"
 
Maybe that one's more international then.
 
and also say people suffer from "head-in-ass syndrome"
 
Brit insults are sometimes a bit subtler, not using words like arse directly ;-)
 
@Skooba I assume that doesn't refer to people who are training to become a proctologist.
 
2:36 PM
I recall overhearing a snatch of conversation from a passerby saying "he's got his head stuck up his bum".
Not sure if she was deliberately bowdlerising herself or if that was an even more-British British insult.
 
Americans not subtle? Preposterous! runs to go light a firework, wave a flag, and play loud music
my children are not allowed to say "butt" they must use "bottom" or "bum" as per wife's rules
 
@Skooba Is "semprini" allowed?
 
@Tsundoku no, that's typically just a finger. If they have to get their head up there something is amiss!
 
@Skooba I forget how old your kids are, but wonder if your wife would agree to giving them this book to read ;-)
@Skooba An elephant proctologist?
 
8 and 6 now. I think my son would love that book judging by the title alone
although I must admit your "semprini" reference is falling on unaware eyes.
 
2:41 PM
Oh right, you have a son and daughter. I was mixing you up with CreationEdge/WebHead and thought it was two sons.
 
in North America the term "butt" is used instead, and the book is published there under the title The Day My Butt Went Psycho.
we would have to get the Australian version!
 
ah, that was cute. no connection to pianist then I assume.
 
So the UK title of that book is The Day My Semprini Went Psycho?
 
Who knows where Python got their inspirations from, or if some of their jokes really are as completely off-the-wall random as they seem.
> The. Larch.
 
2:47 PM
Or should that be The Day My S*mpr*n* Went Psycho*?
 
(\ before the * will escape it)
escaping is hard
 
So I have a backtick before the first two asterisks and a backslash before the last one.
 
The Day My S*mpr*n* Went Psycho
 
@Mithical Did Deus put you in a room again?
Watching those two messages change repeatedly was quite funny :-)
 
Deus? I'm the one who runs (well, before the pandemic in any case) an escape room. ;) Deus should still be in his honeypot...
 
2:50 PM
It's a good thing you can edit your own messages.
 
@Mithical But the joke wouldn't work so well if it was your own.
Make sure he pays his dues then.
 
*rolls eyes* I can't type today, apparently.
 
@Mithical We must be the only two people who can share in-jokes from SFF and Puzzling and Literature.
No wonder people thought we were socks.
 
That reminds me of that German joke: "Komisch, wie ein einziger Tippfehler eine Nachricht urinieren kann". Literally: "Funny how one typo can urinate a mesage". When you switch the first two letters of ruinieren (to ruin) it becomes urinieren (to urinate).
I suppose that's enough scatological humour for one day.
 
> enough scatological humour
 
3:04 PM
I could unleash a whole scat pack if needed.
 
Well, Skooba already mentioned "head-in-semprini syndrome" and added that 'his children are not allowed to say "semprini" they must use "bottom" or "bum" as per wife's rules"
 
3:39 PM
i'm a gardener, scatology is part of the mix. :)
and recently someone told me that fanny is not really the butt so what do i know of idioms?
 
Yeah, in European English, that f-word is something quite different.
 
3:53 PM
People in Flanders are unfamiliar with this meaning, so there is a comic strip series called De Kiekeboes where one of the characters is an attractive young girl called Fanny. The series has never been translated into English.
 
@GarethRees i was speaking of another answer (about the chaucer poem and the hair style), but that is ok as your answer tells me what i asked.
 
Fanny is also a name in English. Or was - I guess it's become less popular.
I recall one April 1st some years ago when Fanny knocking was the featured article on the English Wikipedia.
 
isn't it a variation on Francine? at least that is how i've heard it.
 
Yes, I always wondered why people commonly wore a fanny pack on the front if the fanny was supposed to be the rear.... I found out when my wife told me fanny was indeed not a rear appendage outside the US
 
@flowerbug Or Frances, or Francesca.
One of my great-great-great-great-great-grandmothers was a Fanny :-)
 
4:00 PM
mine too! lol (just punning as i really don't know)...
 
4:12 PM
@Randal'Thor For questions which get no action for a few years it seems strange to say that what has been provided is not enough. it is a start. work from there if you want. don't mod it away. :(
it makes it less likely that i would work harder to have negative marks.
 
Votes can be reversed if an answer is edited. And I think none of your answers have been deleted yet.
You did a great job improving your first Tolkien answer from a short unsupported paragraph to a nice answer with links and quotes.
(I might put a 50-point bounty there at some point.)
 
yes, but that answer did not get negatives, i was encouraged and i responded positively.
i don't always have time to repond promptly. i may not get back to an item or question right away.
it may be a day or a week. in the case of the Roark question that isn't a quick reply.
 
That's fair. But again, votes can easily be reversed when a post is edited.
 
I'm not sure the argument that a bad answer is better than none is a fruitful one to pursue.
 
If you post an answer that gets downvoted at first, and then you come back to improve it later, those votes can quickly turn to upvotes.
 
4:18 PM
i'm neg two on the hair one.
my toupe is about to blow off!
 
4:53 PM
@NapoleonWilson i'm not sure i can agree as i consider iterative answers as a natural progression from nothing. please edit and expand if you wish, don't be so quickly negative. thanks
 
5:12 PM
Editing someone else's answer to improve it is certainly an advantage of the Stack Exchange system, but only within limits.
Editing an answer to improve formatting, add links to where a cited book can be read, add quotes from already-cited links - all that is great.
But editing a one-line answer to include links, quotes, reasoning, and interpretation? At that point it's better to write your own answer if you can, or of course encourage the original answerer to do that editing.
 
6:00 PM
I like how we've got our second question in a day in HNQ and one (both?) of them is part of the current challenge
 
6:19 PM
So the question about the proverb in Narayan reached HNQ. What was the other one?
 
Another one coming tomorrow about the same story.
 
That's excellent. Two HNQs from the same reading challenge. Keep them coming :-)
 
I'm now a quarter of the way through Malgudi Days (read 8 of the 32 short stories).
 
I still want to read The Painter of Signs but I still haven't gotten through three other books that I'm reading in parallel...
 
6:37 PM
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Q: Secondary literature on "The Warden of the Tomb"

Noah SchweberThe Warden of the Tomb is an expressionist play fragment by Kafka. Although incomplete, possibly extremely so, it's still decently long - about fourteen pages. Sadly (to me at least), as far as I can tell it has received little attention: basically the only writing I can find on it are a paper of...

 
7:13 PM
@Bookworm @Randal'Thor Are we going to keep the tag after all?
 
7:40 PM
The growth in the list of users who have voted in the election has been slowing down. It would be nice if we reached at least 100; we are currently at 96.
 
Why are you checking that page for the number of people who voted when there's a counter on the election page itself?
 
@Gallifreyan Well, uh, because I can't see a counter on that page.
 
yea that's only available to mods afaik
 
Oh
Probably shouldn't post that around then
 
Fortunately, those data are anonymous.
 
7:50 PM
Yeah, tbh the badge page seems more revealing than this
But anyway
~16% of eligible voters already cast their vote
And given it's almost 100 people I'd say we're doing well for now
 
I don't know whether this is related to the election: our QPD has gone up slightly since the start of the voting. We're currently at 3.1.
 
8:29 PM
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Q: In 1984, how did people think their thoughtcrime would be discovered?

daisyIn the novel 1984, Winston Smith writes: Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime IS death. How exactly does Smith, or anyone else, think that Big Brother will discover their thoughtcrimes? Do they think Big Brother can read their minds?

 
@Tsundoku Forgot about that. Now fixed.
 
OK. Thanks :-)
 
:54164102 Yeah, that becomes visible to everyone only after the election is finished. You're the only person in the world not employed by SE who can see it now ;-)
It's expected to get a big surge at the beginning, again because everyone gets a notification reminding them to vote when the election starts. It'll probably just be a very slow trickle of new voters from now on.
I wonder what happens if someone reaches 150 rep during the election? I think we've had a couple of new askers do that in the last few days. Do they get a notification to vote as soon as they pass the 150 mark?
 
8:48 PM
And when someone deletes their account between casting a vote and the end of the election period, does their vote still count?
Or if they are banned after casting their vote?
 
That's an interesting one.
If they're banned but the account still exists, I guess the vote still counts (unless it gets manually removed by CMs, e.g. if they were using socks to vote twice or something).
If they delete their account, I wonder if the votes get attributed to Community (user -1)? That happens with other kinds of votes.
Time to check if Community has Constituent badges on any sites ...
 
9:04 PM
I didn't find any Constituent badges, but I did find this. Ironic that the one user which IS a robot has a badge saying it's not!
 
I couldn't find that badge on our site. So how does SO know I'm not a robot?
 
Captchas.
 
It's only awarded to people who show up at an official SO-run real life event, so
 
The CAPTCHA in the Rye?
 
@Tsundoku That would be just like SE ;-)
 
9:23 PM
@Bookworm This also just went HNQ.
 
@Mithical Congrats.
Looks like Skooba will break the 3k mark during the election then.
Wonder if @heather will also break 4k. They were both just below round thousand-marks last week.
 
I wonder why we suddenly have so many HNQs. Less activity elsewhere?
 
More people around to vote?
A quick answer and a few quick votes are enough to send something to HNQ.
In the case of the Narayan questions, it probably helps that I pinged Journeyman Geek when posting them ;-) because I suspected he'd know the answers
 
9:39 PM
That time of day has come again:
> O magic sleep! O comfortable bird
 
Sleep. The small taste of the endless void that is the fate of all of us.
 
> Is all that we see or seem
But a dream within a dream?
 

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