@HironobuYAMASHITA the plan is to move it to a full release at start of feb but there would still be time for another release before tl2020 if that is needed. I'll ping Frank with your github list thanks.

@HironobuYAMASHITA google seems to be pretty good at translating this kind of technical language, all of translate.googleusercontent.com/… is quite readable (and so I'm reasonably confident with that and understanding the basic tex issues, it will fine:-)

Informal poll. I was wondering how many people here use cv styles/packages for writing their CVs. Those that do actually write CVs, that is.

I was just dusting off my old CV, which really isn't very good at all.

It was using something called currvita, which seems quite limited.

I've decided to try rewriting it from scratch, and I'm leaning away from using a template.

In this case, it doesn't actually very useful, and seems like it could be quite constraining. Thoughts?

Should TeX be considered as a computer language or typesetting software, from the pov of CV categorization? Opinions?

@JosephWright Could you please register a named catcodetable for expl3 catcodes in LuaTeX, such that we can do things like \directlua{tex.sprint(expl3.catcodes, "\string\tl_show:n {foo}")} without surrounding everything by \ExplSyntaxOn...Off?

@FaheemMitha it's a computer language for typesettiing

@DavidCarlisle So both?

@FaheemMitha no idea. I don't understand the question. Why do you need to force it in to pre-existing list of categories

@DavidCarlisle Well, it seems easier than creating a separate list just for TeX.

@FaheemMitha as I say I don't understand the question or where the existing list came from or how it would be used.

@JosephWright As it turns out PLK just added something like this to biblatex: github.com/plk/biblatex/commit/…

@DavidCarlisle I'm have a list for software. A separate list for computer languages. It's for my CV, as I said above.

@JosephWright But if a translation mapping is added to the LaTeX core, then that would of course be nicer so all kinds of packages can avoid rolling their own mapping.

@UlrikeFischer wow, skiing... Good runs to you! Just did a bit of it but there is little snow here this year, global warming is ruining my preferred sport...

Is anyone here able to use keyval2e? I get an undefined control sequence error from it while defining keys:

\documentclass[]{article}

\usepackage{keyval2e}
\makeatletter
\kve@definekeys{kv2e}[my]{height,}
\makeatother

\begin{document}
<++>
\end{document}

@Skillmon I get

! Undefined control sequence.
\kve@parse@a ...erved@e \kve@parse \pushfunctions

@moewe same for me.

It's the same for the only keyval2e example I could find on this page

@Skillmon keyval2e.sty calls \pushfunctions but doesn't define it. Maybe it used to be defined somewhere else, but isn't any more?

@moewe I guess so.

@Skillmon I think it might come from catoptions by the same author. It defines \cptpushfunctions. maybe the command was renamed?

What is the path associated with \@fontdir? I added awesome-cv.cls and fontawesome.sty to /usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/local. I have put the fonts in every directory as well; plus, it is default in the installation as well but I always get the spec error font cannot be found. The line it points to is using \@fontdir

As a note, with MacTex 2018, this worked without issue.

@moewe would be strange, imho. One would think the author should be aware that his other package uses that macro...

@moewe ok, after using an altered package which got \pushfunctions replaced by \cptpushfunctions I get an ! Incomplete iffalse error. Seems this package is seriously broken.

@Skillmon It wouldn't surprise me too much. If I had out many packages I certainly couldn't remember all the places where I used one particular macro. And I can also imagine forgetting to grep for a renamed macro when I check if it was used somewhere.

@Skillmon Given that there are almost no hits for keyval2e except for the documentation and lists of packages included in some bundle and given that catoptions was last updated in 2014 (so that is the latest date keyval2e could have been broken) I guess no one uses the package.

@moewe that might be the case, still having some potentially broken software lying around which might be used by some bloke comparing different key-val parsers doesn't seem right.

@moewe I'll try reporting this via mail, lets see whether he's still maintaining it.

@Skillmon Sure. But that's just how things go. Sometimes maintainers abandon packages. And if they are virtually unused and no one steps up to maintain them what can you do?

@moewe nothing, I won't claim maintainership of that package, it's way too convoluted to be worth the hassle.

@TeXnician ooh a secret

@PauloCereda rabbits are curious.

@Skillmon ooh

@PauloCereda /curious rabbit sounds

@Skillmon email sent. :)

Oh no

Mail failure

@PauloCereda oh no

@PauloCereda on my end or on yours?

Oh my bad, hold on

@Skillmon typo on my end :)

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@Skillmon I understand. The "what can you do" was rhetorical and not a suggestion that you should start maintaining a package that appears to be virtually unused.

@moewe catoptions breaks quite a lot iof stuff if I remember correctlty (@Skillmon)

@DavidCarlisle hm, then its good that it isn't really used.

@DavidCarlisle Oh yes, I remember now: tex.stackexchange.com/q/461783/35864

@Skillmon the package documentation basically starts "I think latex internals are wrong, I'll change them...." so it is leading the way to an incompatible fork, but no one followed....

@DavidCarlisle do you have any experience with the options package?

@Skillmon er I don't think so but it looks familiar is that one of the ones @JosephWright surveyed when looking at early l3keys stuff... yes seems like I was discussing it here:

@DavidCarlisle it's quite fast (but has the same brace stripping bug keyval has, not sure whether just as unpredictable or only on first level).

@FaheemMitha Mine is just done with article and a bunch of (mainly) longtable environments + biblatex for bib items. This is a one-off document, so from my perspective having a class isn't very useful.

@AlanMunn longtable? and you expect to get a job out of it? I'm glad you have so much faith.

@AlanMunn Yes, I agree. And a class (or style/package) isn't very useful, because there isn't a set format, anyway.

@DavidCarlisle Weill it worked at least once, which may have been pure luck.

@DavidCarlisle I think he already has a job.

TeX error messages really are extremely annoying.

Just saying.

@FaheemMitha Simple solution: don't make any. :)

@AlanMunn Does that work for you?

@FaheemMitha I don't see them often.

@DavidCarlisle I thought you don't use TeX.

@FaheemMitha that helps to avoid errors

@FaheemMitha actually they are pretty good once you learn how to read them

@FaheemMitha Yes, my documents are always error free. :)

@FaheemMitha But more seriously, I agree with @DavidCarlisle. I don't think the error messages themselves are so difficult. Sometimes finding the actual source of the error can be tricky, because of the way TeX works. I find that compiling fairly frequently helps since it narrows down errors to the most recent stuff you added to the document. (Of course for a large document this is a bit less practical, or at least more time-consuming.)

@FaheemMitha I think that typically they are a lot clearer than errors you would get from C or C# compilers or even Lua or JavaScript

@DavidCarlisle error, keyboard not found. :)

@Skillmon I've looked at it and had some discussions with the author; he wanted performance but didn't want to use raw keyval

Any pandoc users here? Does anyone know how to determine which LaTeX packages are supported relative to a particular writer, i.e. other than PDF?

@JosephWright well, he's done a pretty solid job, performance wise. At least for a single key defining a custom macro, his code is "only" 2.5 times slower than keyval.

@Skillmon Sure: for l3keys, if you disable the things we need for consistency (brace management, space trimming) we also get into that ballpark

@Skillmon I revised quite a bit of l3keys after some discussion with him to make sure I was squeezing a decent amount out of the code: we might gain a little more if we really have to ...

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@PauloCereda, pois é, sempre gostamos de chat, desde os tempos do IRC...

@Sigur Conheci um cidadão que tinha IRC com 6 dígitos!

Aliás, ICQ. Sorry.

IRC é outra coisa. :)

@PauloCereda, quer dizer que era um número antigo?

Irc: interjeição de asco. :)

Nem lembro qual era meu número

@Sigur Um dos primeiros.

será que ainda consigo usa-lo?

vou tentar recuperr, sei lá.

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@PauloCereda, how is your Russian lessons?

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:)

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