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12:02 AM
@DavidCarlisle How can i carry my work with using \begin{itemize} twice?
 
@Student404Mus you haven't shown any code so hard for anyone to help you. Alan has shown how to carry an enumerate over to a new slide, is the problem that you have a second level list that you want to carry over?
@Student404Mus at a guess \begin{itemize}\item[]\begin{itemize} \setcounter{enumii}{4} \item resumed list starts here....
 
I use \begin{itemize} NOT enumerate. i have two slides that refer to the same frametitle

\begin{frame}
\frametitle
\begin{itemize}
\item
\begin{itemize}
\item

here, i have three items. the third has to be in a seperate slide. that's my work
 
@Student404Mus so probably what I posted will work, but that isn't a real test file so I haven't tested...
@Student404Mus oh so same as I put but you can skip the setcounter. (your audience would probably prefer a simpler structure:-)
 
i see
 
Hi every one. In the recent time, I notice that the responsiveness of TeX.SE has slowed down considerably. It acts from time to time as if it is frozen, so I need to restart my browser (Chrome). I also have problems with loading images. This often takes a few minutes. Does anyone else have any similar experiences?
 
12:11 AM
@Zarko loading images can be slow but the site itself is normally OK for me, I assumed that was imgur's server rather than stackexchange being slow
 
@DavidCarlisle It worked fine.
 
@Student404Mus :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle, hm. I don't know what was going wrong. Now I try to remember what was happen recently to my PC. My Internet provider still provide the same access time (4 ms) and data transfer speed (80/80 Mbit/s) as before. However, meantime i have some automatic upgrade of Windows 10. Slow down not happen always but at least ones per day. I have open TeX.SE site permanently. Can this be cause of my problems?
 
@Zarko no idea:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle, thank you for information. For beginning to found out, what is going on, I will start to shut down my PC before I will go to slip (here is now 02:23h). By!
 
12:23 AM
night it's late here as well:-)
 
 
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4:09 AM
@Zarko No problem to me: Crome, Windows 10
 
 
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6:59 AM
@barbarabeeton also @egreg hi. what is ushyphex.tex and why are you guys talking about adding polymers to it? I do work in polymers atm and might be able to contribute if you are looking for contributors
 
@thymaro it is a list of hyphenation corrections for English words that do not get hyphenated well by the standard US English hyphenation patterns, @barbarabeeton maintains it will be on your system somewhere like /usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/generic/hyphenex/ushyphex.tex
@thymaro (@barbarabeeton) I'm somewhat dubious about adding too many technical chemical names as the list may be endless but I suppose some are in common enough use.
 
@DavidCarlisle ah I see. Only thing I could add, then, is a list of the most common polymers, but that doesn't seem extremely necessary. Nevermind then, thanks for the explanation.
 
7:48 AM
@Zarko dependent on browser and OS. For me leaving my Firefox open for a week or so with 100+ tabs open, sometimes Firefox goes crazy and allocates memory for apparently no reason. If that happens Firefox fills my 7.7Gi RAM and 8Gi swap and makes my whole OS freeze while the swapping takes place. Sometimes I can then kill and restart Firefox, sometimes my GUI crashes.
 
 
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9:16 AM
@DavidCarlisle I finally got to meet Morten (and family) :)
 
9:27 AM
@JosephWright I never met (I think)
@JosephWright did you manage to assign any tasks to him?
 
9:37 AM
@DavidCarlisle I only met for for like ten minutes ...
 
 
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10:44 AM
@DavidCarlisle ooh
@DavidCarlisle a cunning plan
> After a temporary ban, the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, commonly known as the IEEE, announced on Monday it has lifted curbs on editors and peer-reviewers that work for Huawei and the Chinese firm’s affiliates.
In other wacky news:
> Doctors Had to Put Out a Fire in Patient's Chest During Open Heart Surgery
 
@PauloCereda probably that iron man thing
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh Pepper Pots
 
 
2 hours later…
12:51 PM
@DavidCarlisle regarding tex.stackexchange.com/q/493938/3929, I wanted for fun to bench mark it. Have you tried the comment package lately? I cannot make it exclude the equation env
 
@daleif I don't think I have ever tried it:-)
 
yo'
@daleif the order of the pacakges could matter
 
@DavidCarlisle I wanted to benckmark it against using environ.
@yo' in this mwe I'm only using article, the comment package and the equation env.
And almost 20k equation envs ;-)
 
yo'
@daleif ouch.
 
@yo' I'm trying to make an argument that the comment package should not be used as each commented env is instead written to a temp file on disk. IO is slow, and wanted to test against environ instead
@DavidCarlisle is it just me or is \excludecomment not redefining \end{env}?
 
yo'
12:58 PM
@daleif that's possible :)
 
@daleif sorry would need to look this evening
 
@DavidCarlisle Seems to be that this needs to be sent to Victor.
I just let \endequation be \relax then \excludecomment worked fine
Hmm, seems I'm mistaken, \excludecomment does not seem to be writing to disk.
 
1:30 PM
@daleif that looks really curious, it executes the \end command. One wonder why this doesn't lead to more problems.
 
1:52 PM
@UlrikeFischer presumably because not that many people use it?
 
yo'
@UlrikeFischer well, aren't the contents simply collected in some way, including \endenv, relying on grouping to do the job?
 
@yo' well you can get surprising effects:
\documentclass[]{article}
\usepackage{comment}
\newenvironment{test}{\begingroup}{\endgroup}
\begin{document}
\excludecomment{test}{}{}

\begin{test}
bbbb
\end{test}

blblb
\end{document}
 
yo'
@UlrikeFischer ... not saying you can't :)
 
@UlrikeFischer Expense receipt hopefully with you
 
2:07 PM
@JosephWright yes got it, just writing a mail.
 
@UlrikeFischer Cool
 
@JosephWright I was just thinking about the \batchmode thingy... The \end that follows will have no effect when executed inside a box or something like that (of course, no further error will be printed, but) TeX will still try to process the rest of the file. Wouldn't it be better to make something to end all active groups and only then \end?
 
@PhelypeOleinik Er, you mean something like using e-TeX's group info to get to group level 0?
 
@JosephWright Exactly! :-)
 
@PhelypeOleinik I've re-opened the issue: comment there?
 
2:18 PM
@JosephWright Sure :-) I did something like that a while ago. I'll find it and post it there.
 
2:34 PM
@JosephWright ah I saw that before seeing this comment here:-) can't you do \batchmode\something that forces a stop? \input " missing file " for example (dont like that much though)
 
@DavidCarlisle do you think that there is an interface in unicode-math missing here tex.stackexchange.com/a/493892/2388 ?
 
@UlrikeFischer yes I wondered about that when I saw the answer last night, but was too tired to check if unicode-math had a wrapper for the U variants but it seems not?
@PauloCereda just proving that windows is the operating system of choice?
 
@DavidCarlisle we could sell patches. :)
 
2:55 PM
@DavidCarlisle I didn't see anything in unicode-math about it. But I didn't find questions about it either, so I'm not sure if there is a need.
 
cis
Hello, is it possible to change a length declared by \th@mbwidthxtoc?
\makeatletter
\addtolength{\th@mbwidthxtoc}{-3cm}
\makeatother
Does not work
 
@UlrikeFischer ideally the delimiters would be "known" from uniocde-table so not need declaring but that font seems to have delimiters in the private use area...
@cis er help if you said where that came from, but I guess it's a macro so \renewcommand not \setlength if setlength does not work
 
@cis it does work, but thumbs resets the length in the code.
 
@UlrikeFischer presumably your guess is better than mine here:(
 
cis
@DavidCarlisle It comes form thumbs.sty

I will test...
 
3:03 PM
I saw the question at texwelt and took a quick look in the code which contains \setlength{\th@mbwidthxtoc}{\paperwidth}%
\advance\th@mbwidthxtoc-1in%
 
@UlrikeFischer ah German: unfair advantage:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle why? as you can read german perfectly you could look at texwelt questions too.
 
@UlrikeFischer Ich könnte, aber ich nicht
 
@DavidCarlisle there is a verb missing (and not at the end ...).
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh Deutsche
 
cis
3:07 PM
@UlrikeFischer @DavidCarlisle Ah ahm, ok... so what have I to do?
 
@cis do whatever @UlrikeFischer says of course:-)
 
@cis Ask the author - he (hopefully) understand what the code is supposed to do.
 
cis
@UlrikeFischer E-Mail has been sent...
It works if I write in the thumbs.sty-file, but I ask myself if I can change the \th@mbwidthxtoc in the document.....
 
@cis you could use etoolbox \patchcmd and patch whatever changes you made in the package
 
cis
@DavidCarlisle Mmmh, I will try.
 
3:14 PM
@PauloCereda ooh heartburn
 
I see babel's adding harftex experiments....
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen :)
 
3:32 PM
@DavidCarlisle ;-). Let's look if we get error messages. And I think one should look if the code can be loaded like the luaotfload-code in a harflatex.ini.
 
cis
@DavidCarlisle
\usepackage{etoolbox}
\makeatletter
% \patchcmd[prefix]{command}{search}{replace}{success}{failure}
\patchcmd[]{\th@mbwidthx}{}{\th@mbwidthx-3cm}{}{}
\makeatother
Nonono.... :()
This is from
\begin{picture}(0,0)%
  \def\th@mbstest{rule}%
  \ifx\thumbs@thumblink\th@mbstest%
    \ifx\th@mb@tmp@column\pagesLTS@zero%
     {\color{\th@mb@tmp@backgroundcolour}\hyperref[\th@mb@tmp@label]{\rule{\th@mbwidthxtoc}{\th@mbheighty}}}%
    \else%
      {\color{\th@mb@tmp@backgroundcolour}\rule{\th@mbwidthxtoc}{\th@mbheighty}}%
    \fi%
  \else%
    {\hskip \textwidth \hskip 1in \hskip-\th@mbwidthx% NEU!!!
     \color{\th@mb@tmp@backgroundcolour}\rule{\th@mbwidthx+20pt}{\th@mbheighty}}%  NEW (good): \th@mbwidthx+20pt  OLD:  \th@mbwidthxtoc
....
NEW (good): \th@mbwidthx+20pt OLD: \th@mbwidthxtoc
 
@UlrikeFischer seems unlikely, I had an infallible source for the translation.
 
3:47 PM
@DavidCarlisle So you started with "I could, but me not"? English has its mysteries ;-)
 
4:10 PM
@UlrikeFischer that was the back translation which I hoped was near enough, I started with I could but I don't
 
4:35 PM
@DavidCarlisle "I could but I won't" would have worked, but "I don't" seems to confuse the translator.
 
4:50 PM
@UlrikeFischer wrong tense though:-)
 
Oct 6 '18 at 21:11, by David Carlisle
Who invited a linguist to this chat room?
@DavidCarlisle where's @AlanMunn when we need him? :)
 
@UlrikeFischer although I suppose to use the past form in both it should have been "I could have but I didn't " I have no idea about English Grammar
 
Apr 29 '14 at 8:59, by David Carlisle
@PauloCereda Never learn grammar from an Englishman.
 
@PauloCereda a wise statement
 
@UlrikeFischer @DavidCarlisle I'm more confused that the translator...
 
4:54 PM
@AlanMunn ooh
 
@AlanMunn I was answering a statement that I could have read texwelt as I am fluent in German, with the (translated) answer "I could but I don't" which apparently had no verb in the German which is some grievous sin, but I'm not sure if the English I started with actually parses, now I've been challenged:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle quack
 
no grammatical problems here
Apr 17 at 16:28, by David Carlisle
@PauloCereda dinner!
 
@DavidCarlisle Ellipsis is a tricky thing. And people have different thresholds for how identical elided material can be. But it's certainly fine to say "I could, but I don't" to mean "I could <read texwelt> but I don't <read texwelt>" since the ellipsis is identical.
 
And French ducks say coin coin
@DavidCarlisle oh no
 
5:00 PM
@DavidCarlisle Trickier is whether you can say "I could <have read texwelt> but I don't <read texwelt>". For me, this is ok too.
 
@DavidCarlisle in Spanish there would be an upside down exclamation mark: ¡cena!
Oh wait...
@AlanMunn @David might argue this is invalid XML. :)
 
@AlanMunn yes but when Ulrike suggested "I could but I wont" (which google can translate) I got worried about the implied past thingy in "I don't" and the implied future thingy in "I could" I wanted a (present and past) sense in both halves of the phrase.
 
ooh thingies
 
@PauloCereda technical terms we linguists use, you won't understand
 
@DavidCarlisle So I think that's my first example, which is perfectly fine, surely?
 
5:02 PM
@DavidCarlisle oh
 
@AlanMunn which only leaves the possibility of mistranslation by google (which I discounted on the grounds of faith)
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, I was getting to that. You're just left with the Pope then.
 
@AlanMunn I'm doomed
 
@DavidCarlisle Yeah, but that's more to do with the PM than the Pope I think.
 
5:05 PM
@AlanMunn you have sent a great leader to save us from ourselves.
 
@DavidCarlisle That's a very loose interpretation of 'you'. I can't even vote.
 
Boris Johnson?
 
@PauloCereda coin coin
 
@mickep ooh <3
@mickep That's very cute. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle ouch
> Messages now gets Memoji avatars and other images. Makeup, accessories and a bunch more coming to Memoji. Lipstick, eyeshadow, piercings. Braces, earrings, gap tooth, gold tooth, a ton more hair and hat options.
APPLE, WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU
 
cis
6:07 PM
Hello!

Who likes to like thumb registers and could send me a good example?
 
@cis Oh, I thought heavy stuff like thumb registers were traded in private channels. Just kidding. Did you try to use fancyhdr for it?
 
cis
@mickep `fancyhdr` is old, I think.
If so, KOMAs scrlayer-scrpage or chapterthumb. But the best results are probably with thumbs.sty

With a special focus on a thumbnail table of contents.
 
6:42 PM
@JosephWright ` Undefined control sequence. __pdf_postscript_header:n` when one use latex.
 
@AlanMunn GASP
Hm I need an iPhone
 
@UlrikeFischer ooops
 
@PauloCereda Just wait until they come out with duck avatars.
 
@AlanMunn I might need to start saving right now. :) You probably know how much an Apple product costs around here. :)
 
6:47 PM
@PauloCereda C. just bought an iPhone Xs. It cost more than a mac Mini.
 
@JosephWright I found it because I tried this sesamanuel class which define \ifpdftex, \ifluatex, and so on ... and wants dvi mode.
 
@AlanMunn Wow! Let me check our prices.
 
@UlrikeFischer Fixed in Git repo
 
@AlanMunn ^^ same here!
It's more expensive than me visiting @JosephWright and @DavidCarlisle. :)
 
@PauloCereda Goodness
 
6:53 PM
@PauloCereda That's a little less than twice the US base price ($999.00)
 
@PauloCereda but at least you don't get eaten
 
@AlanMunn Ouch.
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
@PauloCereda ^^^ I think you have your reactions reversed.
 
@AlanMunn oh
I... am confused :)
Speaking of ducks:
 
@PauloCereda Although considering that the cardinality of the set of meanings for 'ooh' is infinite, maybe not.
 
6:58 PM
@JosephWright is featured in the duck of the day. :)
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@AlanMunn ooh
ooh there's a fox in here now
 
@PauloCereda Ooooh foxes are dangerous to ducklings
 
@CarLaTeX I use Firefox :)
 
@PauloCereda Virtual foxes excluded
 
@CarLaTeX ooh volpes
 
@JosephWright now I get ! LaTeX3 Error: Control sequence __pdf_backend_link_end: already defined (again with latex)
 
7:06 PM
@PauloCereda Ohh volpi
 
@UlrikeFischer L3 Russian roulette? :)
 
@PauloCereda we changed lots of stuff and now have to clean up ;-(.
 
@UlrikeFischer oh
 
@UlrikeFischer Fixed
@PauloCereda Big plans
 
@JosephWright looks good, I'm now trying to sort out the pdfresources.dtx and then merge it back.
 
7:18 PM
@JosephWright weren't you sorting out form properties on rotated pages the other day?
 
@DavidCarlisle Did look at some stuff, yes, but for destinations
 
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Q: Can i combine TextField (on a landscape page) with "long table"

Steve63my problem is as follows: I want to create a document in PDF format that contains checkboxes and Textfield that should be filled out by users. The Textfiles appear in tables in landscape mode. This means: 1. I want to have tables (using "longtables", because the tables stretch over several pages...

@JosephWright not trying to distract you from sorting out the l3 stuff, unless there is a "load expl3 and it'll all work" answer:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I can look, but will have first to convince the op to make the example smaller ...
@DavidCarlisle but my guess is that pdflscape is the wrong way.
 
@UlrikeFischer well i convinced the OP to add something smaller than the character limit, so it could have been worse:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle it is worse enough ;-)
 
8:18 PM
@DavidCarlisle "Ulrike is the winner here" ;-)
 
@UlrikeFischer duplicate or post an answer and pick up a tick?
 
@DavidCarlisle sounds like duplicate.
 
@UlrikeFischer that's why you are so far behind @egreg.
 
8:35 PM
@DavidCarlisle “actaully”, github.com/tectonic-typesetting/tectonic people did just that, they took the Web2C output of xetex.web and are directly working on it. Which is a really horrible idea, but apparently they are not the first, some TeX for iOS app did just the same with XeTeX as well.
 
@KhaledHosny eek:-)
@KhaledHosny actually I'd seem that before but forgotten about it. Do you know anything of their plans? are they going to need latex back end support at some time (different to xetex/xdvipdfmx) ? (@JosephWright) We'd rather hoped that harftex would see a unification of unicode based tex engines, not new ones springing up:-)
 
@KhaledHosny Oh goody, Tectonic
 
@DavidCarlisle no idea, but my feeling is that they have not much experience with TeX the engine or the text ecosystem in general. In one instance they added a dummy \pdfsomething primitive just because some pdftex-only document shocked on it.
@DavidCarlisle So I’d not worry much about it, they are living in their own little niche.
 
@KhaledHosny sounds like a plan, thanks:-)
 
8:45 PM
@KhaledHosny Oh for pities sake
 
@KhaledHosny er if they wanted to fake it why not \newcount\pdfoutput (but not faking it would be better:-)
 
What I said above, little experience with TeX*
 
@KhaledHosny This is like discovering some dark corner of the internet you never knew existed. :)
 
Then they got this github.com/tectonic-typesetting/tectonic/commit/…, but I like how my advice against faking \pdfoutput was brushed off
 
cis
8:51 PM
Good evening!

A question: Is there a pure LaTeX-Faculty at an university, somewhere in the world?
 
@cis Doubt it
 
@KhaledHosny I think I'll stop looking best to stay in ignorance I suspect
 
@KhaledHosny Although the main dev says on his web site I have spent more time in the guts of TeX than any person really ought to. :)
 
“Some things are not meant to be found” — Lara Croft
 
@cis What do you mean by this?
 
8:58 PM
@AlanMunn Of course, no one is ought to be there for more than 5 minutes.
 
@KhaledHosny :)
 
cis
@JosephWright What a pity... :()

@AlanMunn So, there are faculties like math, physics,.... so I wonder: are there faculties for LaTeX.
 
@cis that would be very odd.
 
@cis Ok. Then definitely no. It's like asking whether there are faculties of Python, C or FORTRAN (added for @DavidCarlisle).
 
9:15 PM
@AlanMunn the idea of a faculty for comparing languages is strange, don't you think?
 
@DavidCarlisle Very. There is only one language. Human. You just need to work at the right level of abstraction.
@DavidCarlisle Says the guy who as we speak is working on a paper comparing Brazilian Portuguese, Russian and English. :)
 
@AlanMunn I think that is insulting to Klingons
 
@KhaledHosny What is \pdfoutput for, exactly?
To detect whether it's PDFTeX?
 
@FaheemMitha it is the difference between pdftex (where it is 1) and tex (where it is 0) (more or less)
 
@DavidCarlisle And what about xetex and luatex? Are they 0 too?
 
9:19 PM
@FaheemMitha xetex has no pdf backend so it os not defined at all luatex (since luatex 0.85) has the same thing but it is called \outputmode
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh. So what are these used for? To detect which TeX engine is running, or something else?
 
@FaheemMitha no, take a pdflatex document and set \pdfoutput=0 and you will get dvi output instead of pdf
 
@DavidCarlisle Ok. So, what is it used for?
 
@FaheemMitha as I say you set it to 1 to get pdf or 0 to get dvi. (see the pdftex manual, although that is the full story about that command)
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh, that's what it's used for? Ok.
 
9:22 PM
@FaheemMitha it is the only difference between pdflatex and latex
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh.
I thought there would be more to it than that.
You mean all the differences are in the "backend" (namely TeX), and the "frontend" (LaTeX) stays basically the same?
 
@FaheemMitha they use the same binary that has both back ends built in, so it is just a matter of saying which you want, if you put \pdfoutput=1 as the first line of your file, pdflatex and latex will be identical in behaviour on the document
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh. I remember that being mentioned sometime earlier.
 
@FaheemMitha not just "basically". in actual fact the only difference is that pdflatex.ini has the line \pdfoutput=1 and latex.ini does not (so it has value 0)
 
@DavidCarlisle Ok.
Those files are copyright Thomas Esser, for some reason.
That would be the author of tetex, I suppose.
 
9:30 PM
@FaheemMitha yes
 
Ironically the pdfTeX manual is typeset using ConTeXt.
 
@FaheemMitha .ini files were his idea and he wrote the first ones (although the idea is the main thing, the actual files are pretty simple)
 
@DavidCarlisle I see.
 
@DavidCarlisle Does my sesamanuel answer seem polemical?
 
@AlanMunn Why? ConTeXt MkII is equally valid as a format using pdfTeX as plain TeX or LaTeX are
 
9:39 PM
@egreg not really, it's lacking some z's and you could add a diatribe against loading etex.sty
 
@JosephWright I forgot about that. It's later ConTeXt that is luatex dependent then?
 
@DavidCarlisle Added. ;-) Not the z's, though.
 
@egreg yes I just looked. Fortunately there are plenty in my "increment section counter" answer.
 
@JosephWright Regarding this mail: tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/2018-May/041599.html... Was the banner primitive added to XeTeX?
 
@PhelypeOleinik No
 
9:50 PM
@JosephWright Are there plans to add it or the idea was discarded?
 
@PhelypeOleinik Decided it probably isn't worth it, at least without a clear use case
 
@JosephWright Do you use any patch system that is supported by your version control system?
 
@JosephWright Oh, okay. Thanks :-)
 
@FaheemMitha telling that of the three links for git based ones, 2 are 404 and the third says it is a stale project page and the project has moved. I suspect that the github Ui over the standard git pull requests is more than enough for most projects based at github
 
10:01 PM
@FaheemMitha Huh?
 
@DavidCarlisle Those kind of patch management systems are actually quite useful. I've used MQ for years. It's basically quilt on VC steroids. I suppose the Git ones are similar.
@JosephWright For managing patches. Was I unclear?
@DavidCarlisle Also, Github isn't version control. People seem to lose sight of that. It's a web site running on proprietary code.
 
@FaheemMitha I don't really get the idea. You have a history, occasionally you make branches, you merge them back in (hopefully). Er, that's it.
 
@FaheemMitha I can't see how they can be useful to us though, if people want to send us a patch they hit the "generate pull request" button in github, and if we want to accept it we press the "accept pull request", why do we need to make it more complicated?
 
@JosephWright Sometimes it's helpful to have some way to manage a stack of patches. Usually for third party projects.
 
@FaheemMitha git is version control, github is a website that helps manage a git workflow, what is your point?
 
10:03 PM
@DavidCarlisle If you are maintaining patches against third party projtects (i.e. a moving target you don't control), then such systems can be useful.
 
@FaheemMitha Perhaps for the Linux kernel, where there are 1000s of people involved ...
@FaheemMitha We have, er, mainly me
 
@DavidCarlisle My point is that a PR isn't part of Git.
Or any version control system, really.
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle well, git is not exactly a VCS. Optimally you have a versioning over git if you use it.
 
@FaheemMitha True, or rather the basic way is you send someone a mail and ask them to pull from their repo to yours (hence the name)
 
I'm not suggesting anyone use anything. Just asking.
 
10:06 PM
@FaheemMitha well yes it is, or at least git by design accepts diffs to be merged, the github wrapping makes that easier (and probably accounts for git being so popular)
 
iTunes is dead!
 
@DavidCarlisle git by design accepts diffs to be merged? I don't follow. You can always commit a diff, of course. But that isn't what a PR is.
@PauloCereda Is that good or bad.
Anyway I don't want to beat a dead horse. I was just asking.
 
@FaheemMitha I personally do not like it, so for me it's good news. :)
 
@FaheemMitha no I mean that git allows you to generate a diff in your fork and send it by email or whatever mechanism you like and have it applied in a different fork, a github pr is just that wrapped in a web interface around two forks that it has control over
 
10:10 PM
Cannot even upgrade to Mojave, let alone Catalina... /sigh
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, sure you can do that. But a patch management system will let you do a lot more than that.
 
Mac people: do you use Mojave?
 
@PauloCereda Not yet. I'm always about 2 versions behind on the Mac OS.
 
@FaheemMitha no doubt but as I say for the vast majority of github based projects I suspect that that is already more than enough.
@PauloCereda upgrade to win10?
 
@AlanMunn Interesting. I am with High Sierra and cannot go further due to hardware limitations. :)
@DavidCarlisle Bootcamp is actually considered. :)
 
10:12 PM
@DavidCarlisle Especially since it provides emoji support.
May 6 at 18:30, by Paulo Cereda
> Windows 10 is getting a new terminal for command-line users, Microsoft announced at its Build developer conference today. The new so-called "Windows Terminal" will launch in mid-June and promises to be a major update of the existing Windows Command Prompt and PowerShell experience. From a report: Indeed, it seems like the Terminal will essentially become the default environment for PowerShell, Command Prompt and Windows Subsystem for Linux users going forward. The new terminal will feature faster GPU-accelerated text rending and "emoji-rich" fonts, because everything these days needs to s
 
@AlanMunn OOH MEMOJI THINGIES
 
@PauloCereda I'm still running Sierra except for on the unused abomination which is the most recent MacBook Pro.
 
@PauloCereda, @AlanMunn, @egreg Talking of Macs, Frank's one is .. ill
@AlanMunn You don't like? Would you like to give it away? ;)
 
@AlanMunn Wow!
@JosephWright dibs on the coati/guaxinim/Brazilian raccoon thingy.
@JosephWright uh-oh
@AlanMunn My old MacBook stopped at Lion. :)
 
@JosephWright @PauloCereda Unfortunately not mine to give away, just mine to not use.
 
10:15 PM
How do you mac people ever remember the OS name sequence? I have difficulty ordering 3,7,xp,vista,8,10
 
@AlanMunn :)
 
@DavidCarlisle It got a lot harder when they moved from felines to California geography.
 
@DavidCarlisle You forgot several there ...
 
@JosephWright well personally I took an excursion via NT and windows 2000 but I simplified a bit
 
@DavidCarlisle Panther, Leopard, Snow Leopard, some big cat here, Lion, Mountain Lion, sea lion probably, then... Mavericks, some park name, Sierra, High Sierra, higher Sierra probably, then Mojave, Sahara... it's so very intuitive
 
10:17 PM
@DavidCarlisle Also, they do actually have numbers that are sequential.
 
@PauloCereda thanks, it's much clearer now
 
@DavidCarlisle Microsoft released Xbox, then Xbox 360, then Xbox One, the Xbox One X. Also very intuitive. :)
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@PauloCereda It's such a shame they never released Sea Lion. It would have been a perfect transition to Mavericks, which is a beach.
 
@AlanMunn ooh indeed! Never thought of it!
 
@DavidCarlisle Same here: wondered why people used 95/98/ME at all
 
10:19 PM
@AlanMunn I clearly remember Tim Cook (?) making fun of a possible Sea Lion release when showcasing Mavericks.
 
@JosephWright Don't forget all the Enterprise/Home/Basement versions.
 
@JosephWright they were cheaper and had games on instead of business stuff:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle They were also rubbish
@DavidCarlisle NT had minesweeper I think
 
@JosephWright well yes there is that.
 
@AlanMunn ^^ It was Craig. :)
 
10:22 PM
@PauloCereda :)
@JosephWright Since this answer is a CW big list, should we tell @canageek to split his subanswers into three? (Not sure if it's a great question, but I think people might find it useful) tex.stackexchange.com/q/494059/2693
 
@AlanMunn Sounds good
 
Today I worked on a LaTeX project that included a few PNGs, and the compilation took 5min 43s, after I converted all the PNGs to PDFs the compilation then took 8s, I reduced the compile time by more than 97% just by changing the images' format. I HATE PNGS!!!
 
@Skillmon what did you use to convert (a new library who's name i forget was discussed on tl list a few months back)
 
@DavidCarlisle sam2p
 
@Skillmon that's the one
 
10:32 PM
@DavidCarlisle except for one image where sam2p threw an error because of some colour models not correctly set or something like that, for this one image I used ImageMagick's convert.
 
@Skillmon to be fair it's not that surprising that pdfs are better optimised for including into pdf than a generic portable graphic format that tries to be usable for many purposes.
 
@DavidCarlisle and sam2p screwed up the sizes (images were included using the scale key, but after the conversion they were like 10 times bigger in size (not in file size, in dpi size))
@DavidCarlisle well, PNG can't be included into PDF but has to be rewrote entirely... a better comparison would be JPG or similar...
 
@Skillmon but that's not pngs fault, pdf could specify a png stream format if they chose to, just as they did for jpg, then the data could just be copied in.
@Skillmon but in general I agree pre-converting makes lots of sense (I can't understand why so many people want to use eps and have pdflatex shell out to ghostscript to convert compared to just converting to pdf first)
 
@DavidCarlisle I know that it's not PNGs fault. And I don't get why people don't preconvert either. Takes a minute once, but saves hours later...
@DavidCarlisle Just imagine debugging a LaTeX project containing 130 PNGs and everything in one file...
Do you guys think it is ok if I add Overleaf's rich text and comments to tex.stackexchange.com/a/494061/117050
?
 
@Skillmon don't see why not (probably best to mention your connection)
 
10:43 PM
@DavidCarlisle because I work for them, so I can't add it to the community wiki post, as I can't put a disclaimer there. I'll add another answer.
@DavidCarlisle added and tried to be really conservative with the statements...
Going to bed now. Good night, @DavidCarlisle
 
@Skillmon looks OK to me (someone sure to complain:-)
 
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11:15 PM
@Skillmon Mr. Skillmon...
Your MWE does not work with {\clearpage \tableofcontents \clearpage}
Oh, I see Mr. @marmot said something.
 
11:43 PM
@marmot I'm curious about your answer to the collaboration question. Have you done much collaborative writing with non-LaTeX users?
 
@AlanMunn Only for administration. (Did you know that NSF now requires one to upload papers in an accessible format.)
 
@marmot Proposals too?
@marmot I'm assuming for admin stuff though you just use Word?
 
@AlanMunn Dunno. I just wanted to submit the annual report but they didn't allow it because my papers was not in this format. As of last year the proposals did not have to be accessible (in any sense ;-).
 
@marmot Wow. So I assume this is PDF/A or something. But for math-heavy papers this must be quite a difficult standard to meet. So what did you end up doing?
 
@AlanMunn No, I don't. I really communicate via emails. The worst thing I was involved in was a grant proposal written in open office (but we got the grant and it was big).
@AlanMunn I do not yet know if that works. The secretaries kindly used acrobat pro to convert it (since word, unsurprisingly, did not work even though it is the main thing advertized by NSF: research.gov/common/attachment/Desktop/… ). Of course, this defeats the purpose, at least to some extent.
 
11:56 PM
@marmot I see. Well as someone who's done quite a bit of it, getting people to learn LaTeX isn't really practical. We use Google docs for initial drafting or Word. In the later stages some people are happy enough to edit LaTeX source without knowing any LaTeX, others I just tell them to give me Word and I convert. But teaching long time Word users LaTeX isn't really an option in my experience.
@marmot Wow, you have secretaries that actually work for you...
 
@AlanMunn Yes, I was always well-behaved and never forced them to use word, on the long run this pays off. ;-)
@AlanMunn I am assuming that your joint projects do not have tons of equations that refer to each other?
 
@marmot Although I guess in a physics department everyone must know some basic LaTeX.
@marmot Tons of examples that refer to each other; they're just not math, but they're numbered like equations.
 
@AlanMunn Not necessarily. Experimental biophysicists may not be too familiar with it.
 
@marmot As long as the Word users don't try to do anything automatic, it's fine.
 

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