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1:14 AM
@RegDwigнt Wasn't my question. All my questions are unloaded.
@Cerberus I don't recognize the English version.
 
 
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6:28 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer (79): What is the right preposition after "skeptical"? by Anuska Jain on english.SE
 
 
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9:10 AM
@Robusto I am very sorry to hear that. Call up the NRA, they will help no problem.
@Robusto those soup bowls are like 70% milk.
A rookie mistake.
The only place they serve soup bowls of coffee with no milk is Costa Rica. And it tastes like soup alright.
 
 
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1:17 PM
@RegDwigнt Not when I drank them they weren't.
@RegDwigнt They don't know whether to shit shoot or go blind.
 
1:57 PM
Some people use no sooner with when.
> I had no sooner opened the door when the children clutched at my pants.
Not very felicitous, is it?
 
@Færd To me it sounded awkward at first but I got used to it on the second read. It's not that bad.
Like a penicillin injection.
 
2:43 PM
@Færd Totally felicitous.
What would sound better to you?
 
@Mitch Hmm. Than, of course.
 
It has the same meaning as "Just as I opened the door, the children clutched at me pants."
@Færd ??
Where would that go?
'I had than opened the door'?
 
> I had no sooner opened the door than the children clutched at my pants.
@Mitch "Let go of me pants!"
 
Yeah. What's wrong with those kids.
 
@Mitch 'the children clutched at Dan's pants'
 
2:46 PM
'than' sounds weird to me.
 
Interesting.
 
It doesn't sound weird to me.
In fact, why don't we put a cheeseburger emoji there.
 
Is that what's in his pockets? Are the children starving wolves?
'than' I suppose is OK.
Argh. repeating things now I don't know.
 
@Mitch cheeseburger magic is not selective.
 
I'm just not going to refer to opening doors or pants from now on.
 
2:48 PM
Logically speaking, it has to be sooner than. Sooner when, if acceptable, would be an anomaly.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, offensive answer detected, potentially bad keyword in answer, repeating words in answer, toxic answer detected (335): What word describes someone who isn't exactly optimistic, but has a positive outlook? by JAI gOSWAMI on english.SE
 
@Færd That doesn't follow for me because you're not comparing things saying : 'The cheeseburgers were free of the pants no sooner than I could call child pest control.'
 
@Robusto well if you drunk actual soup bowls full of coffee back then with no milk, no wonder you're so agitated still. Actually, scratch that. You are a wonder. You should've long dropped dead from that.
 
@Mitch I understand it as a hyperbolic comparison of order: my opening the door didn't happen sooner than their clutching at my pants, but at the same time.
 
2:52 PM
@Mitch your wall of text is the wallest of textest.
Sum it up or GTFO.
 
@Færd It's more like "As soon as I opened the door, the children attacked me with knives",
 
Or fangs.
 
Or "Almost immediately upon opening the door, the children slashed me with sabers"
 
The Exorcist 3. Or 4. I have no idea.
 
Well, those bear out my interpretation.
 
2:55 PM
"Within a split second of opening the door, the children chewed off my kneecaps with their filed down incisors"
 
@RegDwigнt Farmer eat ze pig.
 
@RegDwigнt It's not my responsibility to read things for you. Get some glasses.
 
3:25 PM
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6:50 PM
La la la laaa
 
Meta'd.
 
ha ha
You still haven't given me the title of any nonsense poetry in Persian.
I'm holding you to all the promises you've made to me in my imagination.
Oh...
Wow.
You really owe me now.
 
No I didn't promise that.
I swear!
Wait. Does this plea imply I did promise it?
I dunno, parent logic is weird.
 
My imagination makes no guarantees
Wait...who's the parent here?
 
Can't you imagine one?
 
6:53 PM
Is it the imaginary parent sitting on our shoulder?
 
Anyway what does nonsense poetry mean?
@Mitch No that's little, dwarfish angels.
 
You hear your name being yelled out from another room, but no one is there?
 
Sometimes
 
A door slams.
A window is thrown open.
water splashes on the pavement.
Did someone call me?
But still... any kind of nonsense poetry in Persian?
 
3 mins ago, by M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ
Anyway what does nonsense poetry mean?
 
7:02 PM
Nonsense verse is a form of nonsense literature usually employing strong prosodic elements like rhythm and rhyme. It is whimsical and humorous in tone and employs some of the techniques of nonsense literature. Limericks are probably the best known form of nonsense verse, although they tend nowadays to be used for straightforward humour, rather than having a nonsensical effect. Among writers in English noted for nonsense verse are Edward Lear, Lewis Carroll, Mervyn Peake, Sukumar Ray, Edward Gorey, Colin West, Dr. Seuss, and Spike Milligan. The Martian Poets and Ivor Cutler are considered by some...
> Among writers in English noted for nonsense verse are Edward Lear, Lewis Carroll, Mervyn Peake, Sukumar Ray, Edward Gorey, Colin West, Dr. Seuss, and Spike Milligan.
> 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
 
Yeah. THere's been translations of that into a whole bunch of languages. @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Where is Jabberwocky in Farsi?
جاذبه
? سخن نامفهوم
 
@Mitch Wat, that's "gravity" or "attraction"
 
jazbeh?
 
Jazebeh
What does it have to do with anything?
 
jabber? oh duh for jabber wocky
 
7:09 PM
جَفَنگیات به اشعار یا گفته‌هایی می‌گویند که معنی درستی نداشته باشند و معمولاً عمداً معنی مهمل و عجیبی دارند که بیشتر برای خنداندن و جالب بودن سر هم شده‌است. نمونه‌هایی از شعرهای جفنگ معروف: در زبان انگلیسی برخی از نوشته‌های دادائیستی را از جمله جفنگیات بشمار میآورند. از شاعران معروف اروپایی که در سبک جفنگ هم شعر گفته‌اند می‌توان از لوئیس کرول و ادوارد لیر انگلیسی و آلکسی تولستوی روسی و کریستیان مورگنشترن آلمانی نام برد. == منابع == ویکی‌پدیای انگلیسی. == جستارهای وابسته == شعر بندتنبانی...
 
مزخرف, مهمل, یاوه, خارج از منطق, حرف پوچ
 
This is really just something I've never given much thought to. And the very helpful Wikipedia page ^ just summaries the first paragraph of the English version
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ nice
The cage fell from the sky and did not break The carriage beeps and the frog faint
The cage fell from the sky and did not break Otherwise I am the same as mine
Such was Yusuf Ender Zulikha Allah, or Allah, Allah, Allah, and Allah
 
AFAIK many poets wrote a couple of verses every now and then, nobody made a profession out of it
It sounds plausible that the more recent literature does contain some جفنگیات
 
سخن نامفهوم
 
7:13 PM
They're usually more educated academics, no doubt under at least some western influence
@Mitch This sounds wordy. I'd like مهمل better
Mohmal
 
The type/fontsize is so much smaller in Farsi. Very hard to tell what's what (especially when I already don't know)
 
میرزا حسین مشرف اصفهانی از شاعران دوره صفویه بود. او مباشر معاملات دیوانی بوده و گفته می‌شود طبع شوخی داشته‌است و به گفتن اشعار مهمل و بی‌معنی شهرت یافته بود.مشرف اصفهانی مدعی شد که می‌تواند پنج مثنوی به وزن خمسه نظامی و خمسهٔامیرخسرو دهلوی به نظم درآورد به‌گونه‌ای که حتی یک بیت آن معنی نداشته باشد. مقرر شد که اگر از عهدهٔ این کار بربیاید به ازای هر بیت مثقالی سیم ناب دریافت کند و اگر بیتی معنی داشت برای هر بیتی یک دندان از او بکنند و بر مغزش بکوبند. پس از اتمام مثنوی‌ها به سه بیت او معنی بستند و سه تا از دندانهایش را کندند و بر سرش کوفتند و بقیه را به وعده وفا کردند.برخی از آن ابیات بر این ترتیب...
Professional nonsenser, it seems ^
@Mitch Arial. I fucking hate Arial.
 
and wordhippo is pronouncing all the Farsi as though it is converting to English characters then reading the English characters in an American accent.
 
What the.
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ But all the fonts are like that. I have to bump up to 24 pt to get it what 12 pt Roman looks like.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I know.
سخن تند و ناشمرده
 
7:18 PM
No
GAA get me out of that site.
It was full of مهمل
@Mitch The real verses are less BS than those translations.
@Mitch سخن تند is more like libel
 
autotranslate adds a level of weirdness to everything
 
I dunno what the technical English term for such poems is
@Mitch The sixth verse was not Allah Allah Allah
It was the beginning of Saadi's Boostan
It's Arabic, as opposed to the first verse. The beginning, I mean
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Google translate is a work in progress.
Oh. That's different.
 
@Mitch It can't translate from multiple languages, can it?
 
'The bottom of the calf ran and drank'
which is much better nonsense
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ anything to anything, at least in its list, which is long.
 
7:23 PM
LOL which verse is that
 
The Arabic 'الا یا ایها الساقی ادر کاسا وناولها '
 
@Mitch Saadi composed the verses in his book's preamble in a mixture of Arabic and Persian
And I got it backwards, it's 'الا یا ایها الساقی ادر کاسا وناولها ' that's the first verse, in Arabic, but the second is in Persian
که عشق آسان نمود اول ولی افتاد مشکل ها
Also WTH is wrong with me. Scratch the whole Saadi thing.
It's Hafez's preamble
Maybe discussing this stuff in English is what weirds me out.
 
Every language is weird in its own way.
 
7:50 PM
@Mitch It means something like "hey, bartender, gimme some wine." In a much more profound way of course.
 
in Arabic?
 
@Mitch Yeah but wine is a symbol for "true love/gnosticism" in only Persian
Next verse is "since love seems easy at first but you encounter problems"
I feel so awkward trying to explain this in Anglisc.
 
It's awkward explain sex to your kids.
 
And it's not nonsense BTW O.O
@Mitch Yeah it already does feel like that for some reason
It's probably one of the most famous verses of all time. And one of the most beautiful.
 
@Mitch So, then, what? Show, don't tell?
 
8:00 PM
@Cerberus Only less awkward if they wear a blindfold and noise canceller
Wait, no.
Kids these days. We always peek
 
Oh, how prudish of you.
Have you ever caught your parents?
 
Ha, no, I'm not evil
 
@Cerberus No. You just have a book about it hidden slipped in between the biography of the British prime ministers of the 18th century and a picture book of door knobs of Venice.
That book won't stay there longer than a day.
 
There was a suicidal moth in my room. I went to the bathroom and came back. Now I'm going all Sherlock on where it is
I don't wanna get jumped
@Mitch A Venus day?
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ wait, which verse, the one about Allah Allah Allah and Allah, the one about 'The bottom of the calf ran and drank'', or the that one about the bartender and wine which is really about sex?
 
8:04 PM
I'm so smart, I remembered Venice days are long.
Wait, they're supposed to be longer, Google.
 
I'm pretty sure days in Venice are roughly the same as ours.
 
@Mitch Allah Allah Allah and Allah is 'The bottom of the calf ran and drank' which is the one about wine. And not sex.
 
Days on Venus are short because of the nitric acid air
 
@Mitch I suppose that may work!
 
And it is a non-nonsense verse, employed by a nonsenser
It was so famous he quoted it
 
8:07 PM
He quoted his own stuff? That's pretty confident of himself.
 
Oh hey T.o.n.e.p.o.e.t. Long see no time.
Wait, huh. The nonsense has brained my affection.
@Mitch No, Hafez is not a nonsenser
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ You should effort harder.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Few are.
How about puns?
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Long time no see here too. Been thinkin' about you lately since I've seen a bunch of E.L.L. topics on Meta. I'm mostly hanging out at the maid cafe chatroom these days.
 
I'm kinda intimidated by modding ELL now. I keep going to the CV queue and subsequently regretting it.
@Mitch Ugh, you're making me Google literary devices in English
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I didn't know you were a mod there. I just remember that we discussed it years ago. Anyway, I hate working the queues for the mostpart, other than the editing queue. They seem designed to make you a slave to the system. I just vote to close as I deem fit while looking at questions I normally encounter.
 
8:15 PM
Now that's a new one
Slave to the system o.o
@Tonepoet I meant modding in the general sense, not the shit shoveling, account suspending sense
That's too hardcore forme
Where is the bloody moth, ugh.
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Oh, I see. I probably should've noticed your username is still black come to think of it. Anyway, yeah, Stack Exchange is rather weird in that respect. I've never seen another website where users are simply granted moderation powers for participation.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Yeah, that's kind of how I'm starting to feel about some things, and it's not just the queues, but I'd rather not complain too much right now.
 
@Tonepoet Oh, you mean the general change in SE's philosophy?
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ More or less I suppose.
 
 
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10:15 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ There was a change? Or rather, what change did you feel happened (what was 'before' and what do you think is 'now'?
 

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