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12:00 AM
Odd.
 
@Robusto good. we agree then! :D
I am going to bed. sweet dreams y'all
 
Good night!
 
Night!
 
So. Tea or beer?
 
Usually, I'd vote tea, but I'll say beer since it's Friday.
 
12:02 AM
Bai!
 
Are you leaving, Cerby, or are you just Baiing at Matt?
 
Beer it is.
Gah! Damn baby!
He's hollering at me and crying from the other room.
He should have been asleep an hour ago.
I'm trying to work here!
bangs on wall
 
Wow, I have accumulated some stars today.
 
"Mommy! Mommy! wahhhh Mommy! Mine! Mine! waahhh ahahahhh Mommy!"
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I'm trying to drink and watch porn! Please be considerate!
 
Hmm〟this is an odd piece of punctuation.
Oh, @HaLaBi! You're here.
Have you looked into the link I showed you?
Yechh, my brothers are listening to ACDC.
 
12:08 AM
@KitFox He's only going to learn his lesson if you keep ignoring him, right?
 
shakes fist at obnoxious youngsters
 
@Mahnax ACDC isn't that bad?
So can you make out what this woman says?
 
@Cerberus I don't enjoy them at all.
 
It sounds like "I love this song".
@Mahnax OK noted.
 
@Cerberus It does, actually.
 
12:10 AM
But that would be odd.
 
Yes, it would be… Unless they are hypocrites… No, that can't be it…
 
Probably taken out of context.
 
Laters.
 
Bye @Rob.
 
Bai.
@KitFox Yeah could be.
 
12:11 AM
@Robusto Bye!
@Cerberus Or maybe she didn't realize it was a gay, gay song.
 
@KitFox The other protesters seemed to display a negative attitude towards the singers.
Could it be that they didn't tell her what was going on, and she was too stupid?
"Men loving men" and all that?
One of her cronies was shouting "fags!".
 
@MattЭллен -really-? So everything is related? The chat room storm of people from Ubuntu was because of flagging -here-? I thought flags only showed up within the chatroom. Anyway, some foreign stuff was written and someone flagged it, and now there's a meta.SE question, one of whose answers hits the nail on the head for me.
 
@Mitch Lequel?
 
Here I'm more for tolerance (it is a language chatroom after all), but I can understand being ... left out?
lequel 'lequel'?
 
I was asking which answer hit the nail on the head.
 
12:17 AM
oh..let me ..
oh yeah...shog9's.
 
Yes, I agree with his answer.
 
'a chat room is not for private conversations'
that sorta brushes away all the complications (maybe by explanation of the technology or by authority)
 
I think that other languages are OK if many people can understand them; the moderators should be able to understand them, especially.
 
I'd love to see people using all sorts of languages here....but that could be kinda weird if people are having private coversations.
actually that might be an abuse of power..
in this particular instance it's the moderator himself using the non-flagged uses of foreign language.
 
@Mitch I just told you there we wouldn't have a private conversation here when over a million people are watching us.
 
12:20 AM
I think the only issue is that it's impossible to moderate what you're saying, Gigi.
I totally trust you guys and everything, and I have no issue with you speaking Persian, personally.
 
@Gigili I personally welcome the alternate communication patterns (use of other languages) but I can see how that might seem secretive to others.
 
I think what matters most is that the conversation was short.
 
@Mahnax Uhum, you're right.
 
Oh, I believe that Duolingo is open to the public now.
 
@Mahnax really, you think moderation is the desideratum? (it may be, I just havent thought that through)
 
12:22 AM
Hey, do you have a link to that question about languages in chat?
It's not on Meta?
 
@Mahnax what? it was closed before? who could use it then?
 
@Mitch Well, I needed an invitation to start learning French.
 
it's on meta.SE, not here at meta.ELU
and now you don't?
 
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Q: What languages are allowed to speak in SE chat rooms?

MeysamIs there any restriction as to what languages are allowed in SE chat rooms? I have seen many people speak in German, Russian or French in the English Language & Usage chat room, but whenever I speak in Persian (to a friend who understands me), some people start nagging that I should only spea...

 
Ah thanks.
 
12:24 AM
Not sure. I just got an e-mail saying
"The wait is over. You've been selected for the Duolingo private beta.
There are a lot of people in line, but you're among the first."
 
I think it is less about moderation and more about someone getting knotted panties because they were left out.
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@Mahnax nice.
 
I was already part of Duolingo courtesy of Gigili, though.
@KitFox Probably.
 
@KitFox There is that side too.
tolerance...or ignoring stuff sometimes helps with the panty-knotting...so uncomfortable.
 
Anyway, the baby is hushed, so I might be able to rewrite this script now.
 
12:25 AM
But still, one could theoretically be discussing plans for murder and nobody would know.
 
I'm pushing you all to the back burner. Ping me if there's something interesting going on.
 
Alright, will do, Mrs. Kit.
 
@Mahnax that's where paranoia will get ya.
 
nods Carry on, Mr. Mahnax.
 
Oh no, I've said too much!
 
12:27 AM
I saw that.
 
That was the intention.
 
you said....
 
@Mahnax hi..
 
@HaLaBi Hello!
 
I have decided to delete my account in English.SE
things are getting weird here :)
 
12:27 AM
Who, us?
 
If you feel that is a necessary course of action, do what you must.
 
can you flag your own post?
 
It disappoints me that you find us unwelcoming, though.
@Mitch Ayup.
 
user19161
@HaLaBi No deleting your account!
 
i feel like i am with a punch of dictators. even comments were deleted.. and only your comments are left.. sorry but this is a bull shit.
 
12:28 AM
@HaLaBi what? they're calming down.
 
Especially considering how friendly and attractive you look in your photo.
 
@HaLaBi No, only one of my comments was left.
And it was the only constructive comment I had, to be honest.
 
I will try my best to spread the word around about the behaviors in here..
 
The others were just invitations to discuss in chat and calm self-defence and rationality.
 
What were your comments like?
 
12:29 AM
What happened with HaLaBi?
 
@HaLaBi Please listen to what I'm saying.
I'll tell you all what happened.
 
any way.. enjoy being dictators :) wish you the best..
 
-4
Q: Adding an "s" to some plural words they revert to a singular form: is it normal?

Régis RouxIf I add an "s" to some plural words they revert to a singular form. For instance: adventures --> adventuress bras --> brass cares --> caress deadlines --> deadliness millionaires --> millionairess ogres --> ogress princes --> princess Is there an historical reason?

 
I read it all..
 
See that question? Yes, I commented on it.
 
12:30 AM
its good that no downvote button in here.. or you would have down voted me in chat as well ;)
 
Then Régis and Halabi attacked me because I downvote more than I upvote.
 
Regis Roux seems to write ...
 
Apparently, I am incompetent.
 
I am not talkng about you. I am talking in general..
 
well..I haven't seen much...
but it looks in the direction of ... emotional?
 
user19161
12:30 AM
@HaLaBi What about me? Do you even know anything about me?
 
only Mods at English.SE would do that... delete all comments except comments that are not against them
wtf!
 
Hmm.
 
I have respect to all of you @JasperLoy
I am just talking about the way Mods moderate things in English.SE
 
@Kit, basically, Régis told me that since I downvote a lot, I am less competent than other high-rep users.
 
I am not talking about you or any one in person
 
12:31 AM
So there was more drama than just the Persian conflagration, eh?
 
not personal.
 
@Halabi: did you 'attack' mahnax because you thought he downvotes a lot?
 
@HaLaBi I generally agree with you that there is too much down-voting on this site. But that is apparently what the majority want. It is a valid approach, although it would not be my choice; but we have to accept what other people do if they use the system the way it is designed. And I have great respect for Mahnax's judiciousness in general.
 
user19161
@HaLaBi Ah the comments were deleted on the main site because mods don't want things to get out of hand.
 
@HaLaBi I disagree.
 
12:32 AM
I think the downvotes are from the Mods
 
I took your comments quite personally.
 
user19161
@KitFox There are the Regis Roux events.
 
most of them at least
I can't tell.. but I will tell you something and please think with me
 
@KitFox Yeah, but this is unrelated.
 
Who deleted the comments? Waiwai? Reg?
 
12:32 AM
At any rate, it's all over now.
Waiwai did (I think).
 
Lately, I have heard this many times, people are talking about English.SE in a bad way in few chat rooms around SE...
 
user19161
@KitFox Porbably Waiwai deleted some of them as they were not constructive.
 
@HaLaBi You can see who has voted to close a question.
 
@HaLaBi If you have a complaint about how I or another mod moderate, you're more than welcome to take that up on meta, but it simply doesn't belong in the comments on an unrelated question.
 
one even said something like "don't down vote, we are not in English.SE"
 
user19161
12:33 AM
@HaLaBi What did they say?
 
As for downvotes, I can assure you that no mod downvoted your post. I didn't, and the other two mods aren't really here this week.
 
@JasperLoy Yes, he is very dutiful like that.
 
user19161
@KitFox Exactly, @waiwai is the most professional mod on SE!
 
Oh, right. Of course not Reg, he's on holiday.
 
I have great respect for Waiwai and I think that it was right to delete the comments.
 
12:34 AM
@JasperLoy Indeed.
 
@KitFox Ah, that's where he is.
 
@waiwai933 can you please check the least voted questions on meta?? you will be suprised that all of them are about mods!!! so Mods simply will take any one against them as an enemy... downvote.. close.... its not a website for mature people.. it made me feel i am at website for playstation players or something like that..
 
@HaLaBi Oh please. That is just not true.
 
@HaLaBi Saying things like that almost offends me.
 
I am sure all mods are personally respectful people.. I am talking about way they moderate things here.. not about them in person..
 
12:35 AM
@HaLaBi The great majority of closures and down-votes were done by non-moderators.
 
What Cerberus just said is true, @HaLaBi.
 
@HaLaBi Really? Because you previous comment is in direct contradiction to this one.
 
Most closures are done by the community.
 
@HaLaBi I'm sorry to tell you this, but I'm looking at the most downvoted questions on meta.english, and only 2 out of the 10 are about moderation (there's a third about electing moderators, but it's entirely unrelated)
 
user19161
See @halabi I just upvoted your question as promised!
 
12:36 AM
OK, there is a possibilty that I am wrong.. but why me and many others got the feeling its mods?? only in english.se.. not in any other se site?
I am not talking about upvotes to my question..
 
I don't know. You tell me.
 
On most sites, the community doesn't have much power, I think.
 
Hey, I think I know what's happening here. You need this picture to calm down:
user image
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I've heard that the Cooking site has a belligerent moderator.
 
user19161
@halabi Users with 10k rep can vote to delete questions. Users with 3k rep can vote to close.
 
12:38 AM
And that there is always controversy in Maths.
 
@HaLaBi I have observed down-voting here, and it is usually everyone, not moderators.
 
@HaLaBi Well, perhaps I can help to figure it out if you can tell me what types of actions mods on other sites don't take.
 
I am calmed down :) seriously :) having a cigar with biiiiig coffee mug
 
I have observed downvoting here, but it's usually me… Hehehe. jokes
 
Hello my friends.
 
12:38 AM
@KitFox Not sure whether he is belligerent in closing questions, though.
 
Good evening, Carlo.
 
user19161
@halabi I can tell you you must stay here as the most awesome people in the world are here, eg me.
 
@Cerberus I'm just saying. I have no idea why this person would have heard rumors.
 
Hello Manhax
 
Hello @Carlo.
 
12:39 AM
@Carlo_R Mahnax*
 
@JasperLoy I am sure you are right
 
My friend. I feel your absence.
 
user19161
And hey don't you think that regis was too much with his comments @hal?
 
ok
 
@Carlo_R Who are you talking to?
 
user19161
12:40 AM
@carlo Hi! Remember not to piss people off!
 
wanna know one of the reasons why I am saying all what I said... and please be fair and tell me if its a valid point or not.. deal?
 
Sure.
 
Alright.
 
ok,, check this question:
130 people liked the question,,, but ONE moderator did not like it.. so he closed it!!
so, 130 people equals one moderator... :)
 
What question?
 
12:41 AM
that was example no. 1
 
user19161
Where?
 
or get 5 people with enough rep to reopen it ;p
 
waits for question link
 
130
Q: Can someone please explain this Dalai-Lama joke to me?

RoboShopI'm not sure if this question is on topic (maybe it just needs to be rephrased), but since this made global headlines due to the Dalai Lama not being able to understand it, I figure most non-native speakers would have trouble getting the joke too. This is the joke on YouTube. The Dalai Lama ...

 
Link or it didn't happen.
 
12:41 AM
@HaLaBi mods can't vote more than once, no more than regular users. So blame the people not the mods for votes about mods.
 
Well, @HaLaBi, you can take that right to Jeff Atwood, that son of a bitch.
 
user19161
@HaLaBi Do you know who Jeff Atwood is?
 
Hello kit, thank you for your nice words in my absence.
 
i put the link..
 
I actually laughed sooo hard.
 
12:42 AM
the owner or SE?
 
user19161
@KitFox That is too harsh.
 
he can f### himself!!!
 
@JasperLoy No, I restrained myself.
 
with all my respect ;)
 
He's not our mod.
 
12:42 AM
Anyhow, @HaLaBi, example 2?
 
user19161
@halabi There are reasons for many things but you may not know they exist now.
 
ok, do you want another example?
 
And the fallout from him closing that question, unilaterally, caused several people to leave this site.
 
@KitFox Ah OK.
 
@Vitaly that scars the crap out of me. like those spider pictures. I don't know which limb of mine they're deciding to rip off first.
 
12:43 AM
@KitFox: Well, technically he counts as having "VGP" "Vaguely Godlike Powers"
 
Am i valid for the first point or not?
 
@JourneymanGeek pfft (Directed at him, not you)
 
user19161
@halabi You must understand also that language is more subjective than say mathematics.
 
understood ;p
 
What's happened. I saw a lot of downvote. Yes, the question are became very difficult
 
12:44 AM
mmmmmmmm no answer yet.. so i guess its invalid point
 
@HaLaBi Many people here dislike Jeff. So don't blame the misdeeds of our enemy on us!
 
@HaLaBi Most of the EL&U community agrees with you, including our mods.
 
Then again, i stick to the techie site
I don't get why you guys can't just vote to reopen it ;p
 
ok example 2
103
Q: How many spaces should come after a period/full stop?

Lord TorgamusIn the past — or at least, when I was in elementary school — periods/full stops were followed by two spaces. Lately, it's become more and more common to see just one space. In the modern world, should we still use two spaces between sentences, or is just one okay? Does it depend on...

 
@Carlo_R Did I? You're welcome.
 
12:44 AM
this should be on writers.se...
 
@JourneymanGeek That is impossible.
 
but, mods like it!! so what the hell.. keep it..
 
Can't reopen mod-closed questions.
 
we've had cases where a mod or even 5 users VTC on SU, and it was reversed
o0
 
Hello Jasper, you are the best.
 
12:45 AM
@HaLaBi Um, well, there wasn't a Writers until a year after that question was asked.
 
Perhaps one of our mods could technically reopen a question closed by Jeff, but...then he would destroy us all.
 
user19161
@HaLaBi It's about ELU too!
 
darn, i wasn't aware of that
 
ok @KitFox thats a valid point.. i am wrong here
 
user19161
And sometimes it is not too clear where a question should go.
 
user19161
12:46 AM
There are grey areas.
 
user19161
Language is like life, not so clearcut.
 
@Cerberus I'm pretty sure you can reopen a mod-closed question; you just can't undelete something mod-deleted.
 
@waiwai933 Huh, wait, you're right.
 
@JourneymanGeek does it need more answers?
 
@Cerberus We reopened one that he closed.
 
12:47 AM
Yes, you can.
 
I have just voted to reopen the Dalai-Lama question!
I didn't think I had it in me!
 
Me too!
 
Reg is going to kill us.
 
YES. FIGHT THE POWER!
 
So it was just deletion.
 
user19161
12:47 AM
@Cerberus I voted to delete it because I see no subtlety in it.
 
@KitFox Not if he doesn't find out…
 
@KitFox Can't kill a dead body, if Jeff gets to us first.
 
any way guys.. it was nice chatting with you..
 
But. Reg isn't here, so what the hell.
 
@Cerberus what? really? that doesn't seem fair.
 
12:48 AM
Yeah!
 
Well, I hope we have convinced you to stay, @HaLaBi.
 
see you all later.. i am at work...
 
@Mitch No I was wrong.
We can't undelete mod-deleted questions, that's all.
 
@HaLaBi Give it some thought. Us chatters are nice once you get to know us.
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Bye!
 
12:49 AM
@Mahnax No i am not ;)
 
@Cerberus ok that makes sense.
 
I know all of you are nice... I am 100% sure
 
@HaLaBi Aww. Puh-lease?
 
you spend a lot of time just to help people.. you must be nice :)
 
@HaLaBi Woohoo!
 
12:49 AM
but the way you moderate things...
 
It's not us!
Jeff is not us!
 
Hello friends, I have to sleep. In Italy it is night. Thank you so mutc to everyone
 
who the hell is jeff?
is he the owner?
 
@HaLaBi My advice: sometimes we have to accept things that we would have done differently ourselves. I used to complain about close-happiness here all the time.
 
Good night @Carlo!
 
12:50 AM
Bye Carlo.
 
user19161
@Carlo_R Good night!
 
@HaLaBi Yes.
 
@HaLaBi Uh, yeah.
 
user19161
@HaLaBi Co-founder.
 
Jeff dislikes us.
 
12:50 AM
He came in, closed the question you posted as an example and told our mods they were a bunch of f-ckers.
 
Because we refused to close many questions that he wanted closed.
 
Put the whole community in an uproar.
 
@HaLaBi: he's one of the two people who founded the SE family of sites
 
@JeffAtwood FUCK YOU
 
he's quit from actively running the place tho
sigh.
 
12:51 AM
He even drove off one of our mods, whom we all liked.
 
@HaLaBi Too far.
 
guys. He
's a geeky sort. More passion than tact ;p
 
user19161
@HaLaBi That's too drastic.
 
I need to go.. I am at work..
 
no point getting all worked up and cussy
 
12:51 AM
see ya all some other time in other SE site..
good day/nigh/morning...etc
 
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I heard he was going to stop. So it has already happened?
Bye!
 
it happened a while back, actually
 
@Cerberus Yeah, months ago.
 
user19161
Let's be fair to JA too. He's not that bad.
 
@JourneymanGeek Well, it's one thing to know that, and another to forget someone being an asshole.
 
12:52 AM
@KitFox: god Its bloody hard being socially adept.
 
@Mahnax I never actually knew when the exact time was supposed to be, but OK.
 
You're talking to the guy who got dumped for excessive snarkiness ;p
 
@Cerberus Yeah.
 
I can forgive a lock of social graces. I have none myself.
But he tore apart this community without a shred of remorse.
I can't let "more passion than tact" stand as an excuse for that behavior.
 
@KitFox: and?
 
12:54 AM
It was beyond bluntness, beyond rudeness.
 
I donno, there's situations where i think he had been heavy handed
But it was hashed out, and resolved through the framework of the site
 
user19161
@jeff is very quiet!
 
I'm sure it could have been here as well, had he deigned to show respect for the mods.
 
Or the users.
 
The mods were the important ones.
 
12:55 AM
Or the site.
He called English.SE unworthy.
 
(note, i'm not defending his actions. I'm saying ragequitting cause of that...)
granted, SU lost a few people cause of the video card thing
 
You don't know.
 
@KitFox Yes, I was maddest at him for the way he behaved towards Kosmo.
 
but that was a mess.
 
@JourneymanGeek What's that?
 
12:57 AM
I don't mean that in a jerky way, but there was a whole lot of crap and it went on for a week or more.
You couldn't really understand the whole thing unless you were here.
 
@Cerberus: he basically has occational givaways of his old hardware. Usually its US only. Not enough americans applied, so he opened it up. two of the top three people who'd have gotten it weren't, but suddenly there were a bunch of americans at the last minute
so, he changed his mind and went americans only, and a few people quit
huge mess. His hardware, his choice, but oh, so damned messy
 
What a surprise. Americans only.
 
oh, his reasons were practical
shipping stuff overseas can be a pain
 
That is admittedly a very wrong thing to do, and a very basic mistake. But who cares about his junk?
 
(disclaimer, i applied, i stepped back cause i'd have gotten one other than being non american, and i felt other people needed it more) ;p
 
user19161
12:59 AM
This chat has been taxing. Over and out!
 
Bai.
 

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