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trogdor

12:00 AM

@BESW XD

V2Blast

@trogdor lol. that'd be quite an announcement to make over twitter

trogdor

Well that's the thing

V2Blast

also

@JeremyECrawford @bart_carroll I have MANY questions, but just in case I can’t make it: What’re the guidelines for what spells should be on its list? I’m hoping to add some XGtE spells to it.

Tweeted by jaa0109 on March 5, 2019 at 11:45 PM in reply to JeremyECrawford

@jaa0109 @bart_carroll That one's easy: I plan to include a list of those spells in a future UA. 😘

Tweeted by JeremyECrawford on March 5, 2019 at 11:48 PM in reply to jaa0109

GreySage

@Shalvenay I'd assume they don't. They copy texture and color. Like an octopus.

Shalvenay

for instance, if some mimic tried mimicking a ton cylinder (as in gas cylinder), what would happen if you filled the mimic up with some oxidizing gas?

trogdor

12:03 AM

It's Jeremy Crawford, he says a lot of things in tweets that I feel like should probably be handled somewhere else

Shalvenay

....I could see that turning a mimic into a fireball right quick :P

user15026

@Shalvenay I never wondered about this before but now I am wondering about this now

trogdor

@Shalvenay it would eat you before you finished because the trick worked XP

Shalvenay

@trogdor :P well, I think with some oxidizers, it'd be burned to ashes by the time it got the chance to :P

(or shortly thereafter)

BESW

@Shalvenay Demon Core mimic?

Shalvenay

12:10 AM

@BESW oh, LOL!

....I somehow doubt a mimic could accurately mimic fissile-ness. given the Demon Core's history, part of me would rather deal with the mimic version

KorvinStarmast

@trogdor it is a sloppy implementation. they DMG says ' be careful about attunement of more than three items' and artificer can attune six. Breaking their own rules with this UA. But at least it is a start.

Shalvenay

hey there @KorvinStarmast -- check the back room

MikeQ

12:29 AM

@KorvinStarmast The 2019 artificer can attune to 6 items at 20th level. By then everyone is superpowered.

trogdor

12:43 AM

@KorvinStarmast I wouldn't know but, what I mean is mostly all this "deciding rules via tweet" thing he seems to do

Shalvenay

12:55 AM

hey there @linksassin

linksassin

hey folks

Geoffrey Lim

1:07 AM

hello there

nitsua60

ahoy

V2Blast

1:37 AM

yello

trogdor

Arr Matey's

MikeQ

and my axe!

Miniman

1:54 AM

And my vuvuzela!

trogdor

2:06 AM

I'm extremely glad this spiraled out of control

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nitsua60

Like my conch!

trogdor

2:28 AM

Lol

MikeQ

I wouldn't say spiraled, but I appreciate there was a collaborative effort

Miniman

@nitsua60 You have a supercomputer brought to our world by a group of highly advanced human interdimensional invaders?

nitsua60

I... don't know?

Miniman

It seems like the sort of thing you'd know :P

Rubiksmoose

@nitsua60 Spiraled out of conchtrol?

trogdor

2:41 AM

Fantastic

Miniman

@Rubiksmoose Nice. I shell try to keep it going.

Rubiksmoose

@Miniman Let's sea what you can do

;)

MikeQ

I'm shore this running joke can continue

Miniman

@Rubiksmoose I'll try to put on a good face, but my facade is kraken.

Rubiksmoose

We're really dredging up the bottom of the nautical pun barrel here

nitsua60

2:49 AM

I believe we can belay this out a bit further.

Miniman

Just when it seems like we might have...dried up, nitsua sails in to save the day.

KorvinStarmast

@trogdor yeah, there is that

Shalvenay

hey there @KorvinStarmast

KorvinStarmast

@Shalvenay jusst got back from mardigras dinner ...

V2Blast

welcome back!

how was it

Shalvenay

2:51 AM

@KorvinStarmast got it :) check the back room btw :)

KorvinStarmast

will do, but in a bit ...

@V2Blast righteous.. ;)

linksassin

Guys, can we give it a break? I'm drowning in these puns.

Miniman

@linksassin Buoy am I glad to hear that.

nitsua60

@linksassin Just float another topic.

KorvinStarmast

not sure I can fathom that concept

Miniman

2:58 AM

Yeah, there's no need to make waves about it. Just wait for the puns to sink under normal conversation.

Rubiksmoose

We already sunk a lot of time into this pun thread, we can't abandon ship now!

KorvinStarmast

As to alternative mardigras, first have a friend like Crazy H

Go to his pizza place. BYOB

Miniman

I feel like everyone else's puns are leagues above mine.

KorvinStarmast

Consume yob, and meet two friend who were in a car wreck last year. Except they were in a restaurant that the car hit.

Nearly killing them .

But they are alive and well now ... so we got them a pizza in celebration.

Rubiksmoose

@KorvinStarmast Being able to eat pizza is a huge perk to being alive.

KorvinStarmast

3:00 AM

Heck yeah, it is. It has all food groups when you order the supreme.

Wait, is pizza its own food pyramid?

Rubiksmoose

It is for me!

KorvinStarmast

Each slice is perfectly triangular and rounded at the same time ...

linksassin

@KorvinStarmast Pizza is a vegatable.

KorvinStarmast

@linksassin Hmm, I will ponder upon that. The original margarita in Naples was dough, tomato sauce and basil and local cheese. Almost a vegetable ...

Rubiksmoose

@KorvinStarmast I usually use tequila in mine ;)

KorvinStarmast

3:02 AM

Made for the Empress Margerita (spelling?) on her visit to the Kingdom of Naples. And the rest, as they say, is history.

Rubiksmoose

(I can never resist)

KorvinStarmast

Ooh, tequila and pizza. Great combo

Miniman

I really want to make a joke about pizza being an octopiece, but I'm floundering.

V2Blast

RIP the ToA game I was in

Rubiksmoose

And the tides turn back to wet puns!

KorvinStarmast

3:03 AM

@Miniman Frutta di mare is a fine pizza in Naples that has squid, muscles, clams, and shrimp on it

and the rest of the usual goodness

Rubiksmoose

@V2Blast :( Acererak got your group?

KorvinStarmast

@V2Blast Aw. ,man, that's too bad. :(\

Rubiksmoose

@KorvinStarmast italian pizza is so good in a way different from how american pizza is good.

V2Blast

Half the players dropped - well, a few dropped early, and then 2 out of the remaining 4 dipped out within the last week to focus on school/classes. So the DM decided to call it quits there.

linksassin

I believe a state in the US officially classified pizza as a vegetable so that it could be served in schools.

Rubiksmoose

3:05 AM

@linksassin That sounds like something we'd do alright

KorvinStarmast

@linksassin guessing Chicago

@V2Blast sad to hear that. :(

V2Blast

@linksassin I think the internet kinda misunderstood that but I don't remember the true story

Rubiksmoose

@V2Blast yeah that really sucks though :-/ How long were you all going?

KorvinStarmast

@Rubiksmoose yes, that is so. each variation has its own goodness.

Rubiksmoose

@V2Blast yeah I want to say this is one of those urban legends that is kinda sorta based in truth but I'm too lazy to google it right now

V2Blast

3:07 AM

13 sessions, apparently

KorvinStarmast

@Rubiksmoose I think it grew from Reagan era "ketchup is a vegetable" school lunch meme

Rubiksmoose

I am in fact procrastinating studying for my exam for my entirely optional and voluntary Japanese class. sigh

Miniman

@KorvinStarmast Thanks for reminding me that no-one's flexed their pun mussels in a while :P

KorvinStarmast

@Miniman Groaning like a plank being walked....

... our pirate campaign on Monday night was called off due to nobody showing up.

Rubiksmoose

@V2Blast :(

KorvinStarmast

3:09 AM

@Miniman so I hit the rum. Now, tuesday's gone with the wind ..

Rubiksmoose

I've been on a rum kick lately. Good stuff.

KorvinStarmast

Cruzan my fave ...

goes with citrus that grows wild around here

Rubiksmoose

@KorvinStarmast I'm incredibly jealous. I would love to be able to grow citrus outdoors. I have about 6 citrus trees, 2 fig trees and a pomegranate tree right next to me in my office where we hope to eventually get some fruit from them lol

Miniman

@KorvinStarmast That'd make me pretty salty.

Ender Look

Hi. I just did this question and I got an answer from a user, but I just got another question and I want to edit it. I would like to know if I should edit it or make a new one: it is about if you can receive healing while petrified (either magic, long rest or hit dices on short rest).

Miniman

3:11 AM

@Rubiksmoose Especially with ginger beer!

KorvinStarmast

@Rubiksmoose Oooh, nice. Get what you can, pomegranate and vodka on ice ..mmmmmmmmm

Miniman

@EnderLook You should make a new one, as that's a different question.

KorvinStarmast

yeah

Ender Look

@Miniman Ok, thanks

Rubiksmoose

@EnderLook agree with miniman and korvin

@KorvinStarmast ooo that sounds really good.

KorvinStarmast

3:13 AM

yeah, I learned about it late in life

with a twist of lime or lemon, to taste

V2Blast

@KorvinStarmast: Pls bring enough to share. :P

Rubiksmoose

In the area I was born and lived the first significant part of my life in pomegranates grew wild. They were considered weeds and they would smash all over my street during fall. Now I have to pay up the bum at the gorcery store for them.

@Miniman Dark and stormy is so good.

and nautical! I'm counting it as a pun.

Shalvenay

@Rubiksmoose I'd have been pickin' them right off the trees if I were in your shoes

KorvinStarmast

Pomegranate juice has been lauded of late as the next great healthy fruit drink. Yeah, sure, but it is like cranberry juice in term of it going so well with ice, vodka, and a twist of either. great cocktail, not heavy

Rubiksmoose

@Shalvenay I was 10 and I actually did, but I had no idea how lucky I was (As it usually goes) until I had that taken away

KorvinStarmast

3:16 AM

Of course when one's daughter trips on a dog and spills a pitcher of pom juice on carpet, hard to get stain out. arrggh

Rubiksmoose

@KorvinStarmast Yeah this was years before they discovered that it was a "superfruit" I wonder if attitudes have changed in my old neighborhood lol

@KorvinStarmast pomengranate stains are incredibly devilish

KorvinStarmast

As a kid we rarely got them, but we loved picking the little bits out to eat them.

When mom could get them at the store

we lived temperate, not tropical ...

Rubiksmoose

I was in desert.

KorvinStarmast

hmm is it a mediterranean fruit?

Rubiksmoose

Still love me some prickly pear jam too.

@KorvinStarmast I'm not actually sure the climates it likes best. I was in Arizona desert so dry and hot most of the year.

KorvinStarmast

3:19 AM

legends ... persephone and hades, pomegranate seeds, and thus that many months before spring ... guessing mediterranean or north african origin

I tried to talk my thur night group into Mazes and Minotaurs .. nope, D&D it is. :( sad face

V2Blast

what's Mazes and Minotaurs? what's it like?

KorvinStarmast

OSR with a wry tribute to greek myth and legends. free download, but one needs to sort of embrace OSR approach for it to work.

BESW

@Rubiksmoose It originated in, like, Iran-to-northern-India.

Rubiksmoose

@BESW ah yeah and Persia\ maybe?

KorvinStarmast

For those not familiar with greek mythology/tropes it might not work ...

BESW

3:23 AM

@Rubiksmoose Iran is part of what was historically Persia.

Rubiksmoose

@BESW (I'm really good at history and geography as you can tell!)

BESW

[grin] Most of what I know about that area's history/culture is picked up via studies for cultural context of my faith.

KorvinStarmast

@V2Blast For your pondering ... mazesandminotaurs.free.fr/revised.html

Rubiksmoose

@BESW ah ok. Well I am honestly many times really appalled about how little I know of either of those especially for anything outside of the US.

KorvinStarmast

Aach, dogs need exercise, best wishes all and happy mardigras!!

Rubiksmoose

3:26 AM

You too!

V2Blast

@KorvinStarmast "Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"

have fun

Rubiksmoose

something something pond nautical pun

BESW

@Rubiksmoose It's definitely easy for Americans to develop an overly simple view of the world unless we make a deliberate effort.

Rubiksmoose

@BESW Sometimes I have a lack of view/understanding of the world at all :(

Speaking of world though I really should learn this Japanese and turn in.

So I'll wish you landlubbers a good evening.

V2Blast

3:50 AM

@Rubiksmoose Good night!

Joel Harmon

4:37 AM

@BESW I don't know why you'd limit this to any one group. It's very easy to settle into your own section of the world, be that geographic, religious (major), religious (sub-sect), political, social, ethnic, professional, hobbies, historical, digital, et cetera ad nauseam.

BESW

I didn't say only Americans. But it's been my observation as an American with a moderately international exposure that American schooling and culture is particularly inward-looking.

There are many groups which can't indulge in solipsism to any significant degree because of the power dynamics of interacting with groups around them. By contrast the United States has a whole slew of terms and catchphrases for its own inward-looking tendencies.

It's not the only group. Obviously. But I was talking to an American, as an American, about our experience.

I didn't think I'd need to add a caveat that the instance it makes sense to talk about isn't the only possible instance of the thing.

Shalvenay

hey there @JoelHarmon

Joel Harmon

@Shalvenay Hey there, Shalv.

Shalvenay

@JoelHarmon how're things going?

Joel Harmon

@Shalvenay Things ebb and flow, but I find myself coming out of another busy period. Overall, can't complain too much. Yourself?

Shalvenay

4:46 AM

@JoelHarmon alright here, was able to get the DW game going :)

MikeQ

@BESW In American school, we didn't learn the list of countries that use Celsius and the metric system

Shalvenay

@MikeQ some of us still shake our fists at how far Reagan set the USA back re: going to SI

MikeQ

(I was going to say "the list of countries that don't speak American English" but I thought that would be too on-the-nose)

V2Blast

@Shalvenay to be fair, I put measurement systems pretty far down the list in terms of my criticisms of Reagan's effect on the country

:P

Joel Harmon

@MikeQ I don't know that, either, but I do know most of the list of countries that use the "Standard" system. It's far, far shorter.

BESW

4:54 AM

@JoelHarmon In my experience, we don't know the distinction you just pointed out.

Joel Harmon

And even within the US, you'll find metric used in various places. Oddly enough, science and automotive maintenance come to mind.

BESW

5:15 AM

Anybody else use the DTRPG library client app?

user15026

6:03 AM

@BESW I figured that out the other week!

kviiri

6:18 AM

Metric in science makes a lot of sense, given how international the academic community is and how easy the metric units are to convert

Although I'm still a bit annoyed by the kilogram being the base unit of mass, against convention.

BESW

I think I've previously talked about the need for multiple units based on contextual usefulness.

Miniman

@kviiri Well, if you think about it, 1L of water = 1kg, so the standard units are literally 3 orders of magnitude apart.

Why, I have no idea.

BESW

Like, yeah, base ten units are awesome for a lot of sciency stuff but it's actually kinda lousy for small-scale commerce where you commonly need to divide things three or four ways. That's what dozens are good at: lots of different kinds of whole-unit division options!

user15026

@BESW I love 12 for how many ways it can go

user15026

32 is another good one for the many ways it can go

BESW

6:31 AM

Yes!

And I'm also fond of units that can be easily approximated without instrumentation.

trogdor

I like four things

user15026

@BESW I am not sure what you mean

trogdor

I can get three sets of four from twelve though, so that's something

@BESW yes what do you mean?

MikeQ

If only we had some quantity that was measured in groups of 60, it would be divisible by 2, 3, 4, and 5

BESW

Like if you know how tall you are, that's also roughly your arm span, and then you can measure things by arm spans.

user15026

6:33 AM

@trogdor I realized the other day that i need a lot of things in groups of 2 or three (like I eat foods in pairs, like I will have two tangelos, or two cookies, or what have you)

BESW

A lot of measurements can be taken off the human body, but human variation makes them unreliable.

user15026

@BESW whoaaaaaaa.

trogdor

ah

BESW

I'd like to see measurement science figure out more easy-to-eyeball units.

trogdor

@Ash oh, I don't tend to eat things in groups of four, or I would be even more horribly fat

BESW

6:35 AM

@Ash If you want to measure a very long thing, you can measure it with rope and then count spans of rope on your arms.

If you want to measure a very tall thing, you can compare its shadow to the shadow of a thing you know the height of (like yourself).

MikeQ

But where am I going to keep all that rope?

BESW

You don't have lengths of rope in your saddlebags?

MikeQ

I only have widths of rope

BESW

Oh, then you need to turn your rope sideways.

MikeQ

Ok, so I have a very long rope, and I can measure it with itself

The rope is 1 rope long

trogdor

6:43 AM

that's pretty long

kviiri

7:01 AM

I love some of these old-fashioned measuring units we have

Poronkusema is how long a reindeer can go before it has to relieve itself. It's quite a convenient way to roughly estimate distances when traveling with one.

Another oldskool unit of distance is "the distance you can hear the dog's bark from"

BESW

And the amount of land you can plough in a day, given a particular ploughing setup.

kviiri

Oh wow, my optical mouse at work suddenly decided that it won't work on the white desk it's always worked on before

What a blast from the past!

BESW

7:39 AM

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BESW

9:25 AM

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SmokeDetector

10:35 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer, pattern-matching email in answer (259): For a 1-action spell, do I need to take a turn to ready the spell before I can cast it, or can I cast it immediately? by Moriah Leslie on rpg.SE (@doppelgreener)

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BESW

Nicely done, people.

kviiri

10:49 AM

The people are the heroes now

SmokeDetector

11:19 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (batch report: post 1 out of 2) (94): Do you continue making death saving throws while petrified? by user61988 on rpg.SE

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kviiri

Wow, manually reported spam

trogdor

11:53 AM

huh

I can't remember the last time I saw that

Joel Harmon

12:10 PM

@Ash 12 is also convenient for counting on your fingers, if you use your thumb to point at the knuckle bones of your other fingers (assuming you have four other fingers with three bones each, that is)

BESW

I use finger-counting up to 95.

Joel Harmon

I'm curious how that system works

BESW

Using each of the five fingers on one hand, count each knuckle and tip of each finger on the other hand.

19 x 5 = 95

Joel Harmon

19, so I take it you don't count where the thumb meets the wrist as a knuckle for this?

BESW

It's very... handy... for my daily prayers.

No, the thumb's three.

kviiri

12:28 PM

You can also use two hands and binary to get up to 1023, but it requires a bit of dexterity

and 8, 128 and especially their sum 136 are rather rude

Joel Harmon

@kviiri Depending on your country, yes. 6 can be quite rude elsewhere.

kviiri

Another system I know goes up to 289 while requiring less dexterity, but is a bit more annoying to parse

And it, too, uses both hands (17 values per hand = 289 combinations)

Considering the tip, two joints and base of each non-thumb finger as positions, moving the thumb from "no position" (which marks zero) through the other sixteen positions. When one's done, increment the other hand and move the first hand back to zero position.

Too bad 17 is one of those numbers that's quite annoying to multiply.

Hmm... if we were to close each finger on top of the thumb, set on its final position on the base of the pinky, one'd get 21 positions per hand, for 441 in total.

Too complex for me though

goodguy5

12:59 PM

Good morning, everyone!

nitsua60

69

Q: Am I a Rude Number?

For a while now, I've been running into a problem when counting on my fingers, specifically, that I can only count to ten. My solution to that problem has been to count in binary on my fingers, putting up my thumb for one, my forefinger for two, both thumb and forefinger for three, etc. However...

kviiri

Huh, reading that I noticed that I was off by one power of two with 8 there

Rubiksmoose

1:52 PM

@nitsua60 how mature is it that I find it really funny that the Rude Number question has a score of 69?

@goodguy5 morning!

doppelgreener

@Rubiksmoose nice

Rubiksmoose

I'm just going to file that under "very mature" then ;)

goodguy5

3:37 PM

Well, team. I realized that I have an inherent distrust of any company/political official with a British accent. I assume that it's my wife's fault, as she's half-Irish.

StuperUser

3:56 PM

I've just added a tag for Matt Mercer's Blood Hunter class, happy to edit it to fill it in, but is this general or specific enough to have its own tag? There's a fair few (83) questions about it

goodguy5

seems fine

StuperUser

is there a quick way those 83 questions should be tagged?

goodguy5

meta?

nitsua60

17

Q: Is it irresponsible to bump numerous questions by adding tags?

Following the highly supported answer here: Why do we use [Published-Adventures] instead of more specific tags? I feel like adding specific tags to questions about specific adventures is a good idea. However, if I do so, I'll bump tons of old questions, which could drown out some of today's actua...

discussion tags

StuperUser

4:34 PM

Well, @oblivioussage has dropped the tag, so I guess it's not one for a tag, probably too specific for a tag and the thin end of the wedge, otherwise we'd end up with wizard, sorcerer warlock etc.

Nyakouai

@BESW You can use your hands to count up to 156

First hand, thumbs point at a finger section. Lower index section is one. Highest little finger section is twelve. Second hand, same order, each section is worth 12.

CTWind

Couldn't you do 1023 with binary?

GreySage

@Nyakouai I can use my hands to count up to any arbitrarily large number (by writing it down with a pen on paper).

Nyakouai

Learned that in engineering school while discussion ancient ways of counting

@GreySage True, true

StuperUser

Or binary, 2^10-1 gives you 1023

Nyakouai

4:42 PM

You could probably, but counting binary tends to give me headache. Base 12 is a "understandable" paradigm

Just talking about something that had been used and I found fun, never said it was optimal :P

CTWind

Realistically it's probably more like 255 with binary, I can't really effectively manipulate my ring finger separately from my pinkie.

Nyakouai

@CTWind That Sleight of Hand need practice

Colin Gross

@Nyakouai Isn't that arguement that was against switching to a decimal monetary system?

Xirema

@Nyakouai Humanity's biggest mistake was not commonly adopting a base-12 numeral system instead of base 10.

We've spent our entire lives living in the shadow of that fatal mistake.

Colin Gross

@Xirema I thought the old Brit system was parts of 12

Xirema

4:56 PM

@ColinGross It might very well have been.

Colin Gross

240 pennies to a pound

Nyakouai

Wow 1) I don't know 2) I heard that somewhere

It was a class a long time ago, and very anecdotic

kviiri

Some parts of France used to have a base 20 system, which has similar perks. Over time, it merged with the base-10 system and lives on in the weirder bits of French numerals: 70, 80 and 90.

Xirema

It would have been awesome if humans had the mental capacity to handle a base-30 system, but I suspect that would make things very difficult for younger learners, so if we're forced to compromise, base 6 or 12 would have been better than 10.

Colin Gross

@kviiri One of the lingering effects is the words for numbers. Still reflects the base 20 history.

kviiri

5:01 PM

The old English system used "score" in a similar manner, to refer to groups of 20.

Colin Gross

@Xirema 6 is too complicated. Probably just stick with 1 or 2

Xirema

(My condolences to the Sumarians, the Icarus of their time, with their base-60 system)

kviiri

It's not a matter of human limitation to any real degree, methinks

Xirema

(Truly, yours was a society that deserved immortality more than we do)

kviiri

That everyone (or young people) need to know numerals is a fairly new invention, too

Or at least symbols for numbers

Xirema

5:04 PM

@kviiri That's my general sense. Having a base-60 numeral system makes perfect sense when your society only needs to teach it to the spoiled rich kids being sent to Academy by their spoiled rich parents. Doesn't work so well when you're trying to, you know, teach the proletariat, educate all of society, make the world a better place, blah blah blah.

Colin Gross

@Xirema Well... the proletariat members aren't even CR 1/8.

kviiri

@Xirema Yeah

I think 12 or 20 would be a good compromise though!

I was going to say that Swedish has this weird thing where natural numbers up to 12 have their own names, and after that until 19 they're rather logically formed from the "ones" part and a suffix, and it gets more formulaic after 20... but then I realized it's exactly the same as in the related language of English :-)

Colin Gross

@kviiri twenty shillings to a pound. twelve pennies to a shilling. Then we can also have a guinea worth 21 shillings... because that just makes sense.

kviiri

What kind of a weird word is "eleven" anyway

Yuuki

@kviiri Well, "ten-and-oneses" doesn't quite roll off the tongue, does it?

kviiri

5:13 PM

@Yuuki I wouldn't have an issue with "oneteen"!

Or "onety one" :D

Blake Steel

What happened to blood-hunter? Did I miss something?

kviiri

My language has a fairly regular structure for numbers past ten, but there's a hidden twist. Numbers 11-19 are "ones"-part followed by a word indicating "of the second [ten]". "One of the second", "two of the second" etc.

Past 20, it's just "two-tens one, two-tens two"... but in more archaic use, they actually didn't switch the style, and instead 21 was "one of the third [ten]", 22 was "two of the third" etc.

GreySage

@ColinGross Who hasn't had to pay 1-and-a-bit pounds for stuff?

Colin Gross

@GreySage Or maybe a three and six.

nitsua60

Someone mentioned ACKS recently... why do I have a niggling feeling in the back of my head that it's got a bad creator issue or something?

Yuuki

5:19 PM

@kviiri Makes me happy with how simple Chinese numbering is.

Except there's slightly different breakpoints.

Colin Gross

@Yuuki Is that the system where one number follows the next?

Yuuki

@ColinGross Not sure what you mean.

Colin Gross

@Yuuki the first one comes first. Then the next one. Then the third and so on. Like, in order?

kviiri

@Yuuki I recently learned that Chinese numeral symbols were made more complicated intentionally to make tampering with records harder

It's an excellent idea

Yuuki

In Chinese, 1 = "one", 11 = "ten one", 21 = "two ten one", 100 = "one hundred", 111 = "one hundred one ten one", etc.

Colin Gross

5:22 PM

two ten one isn't 21 ?

Yuuki

Two tens and a one is 21, I'm pretty sure.

kviiri

@Yuuki Neat, how old is that system?

nitsua60

Oh, I found it. nvm.

GreySage

@kviiri Old enough for the Japanese to copy it.

Yuuki

@kviiri Not entirely sure, that's just how I've always known it.

It's basically an extension of how the Chinese language counts things.

kviiri

5:26 PM

Yeah, I was wondering if it's like hundred years or a millenium or more

Yuuki

When you count things in Chinese, you typically pair a number and a unit word.

Kind of like "one head of cattle".

The one thing weird about the Chinese counting system is that there isn't a word for "million".

The largest unit word for numbers in Chinese is 万 or "ten thousand".

So "1,000,000" is 一百万 or "one hundred ten thousand".

Huh, apparently I'm wrong.

Probably because it's such a high number so I've never come across it, but the largest unit word for numbers in Chinese is 亿 or "hundred million".

GreySage

@Yuuki hundred million (100000000) = ten thousand (10000) x ten thousand (10000)

Which makes sense

kviiri

I'm still torn, internally, whether I prefer long or short form versions of powers of ten past a hundred million

Yuuki

@Ben Sorta not really? Yes, you encounter Mephisto in the Temple of Zakarum but it's more like he corrupted and took over the priesthood rather than becoming their object of worship.

GreySage

If you are looking at the number of zeroes, you go 0 (1), 1 (10), 2 (100), 4 (10000), 8 (hundred million).

Yuuki

5:42 PM

The fun thing about Diablo lore is how the necromancers are the ones that best understand the cosmos and are probably the most well-intentioned faction.

Xirema

I prefer to express all my numbers as whole fractions of Graham's Number.

GreySage

@Yuuki Considering how many undead monsters you fight, it is a bit suprising you never meet a bad necromancer (as far as I remember).

Yuuki

Well, all the undead monsters you fight are raised by demons and demonic forces.

GreySage

@Yuuki Or sometimes angelic forces

Yuuki

Yeah, the Priests of Rathma (or Necromancers) intend for Sanctuary (the human world) to be completely separate from extra-planar influence. And given how the other planes (Heaven and Hell) behave, that's probably for the best.

kviiri

5:49 PM

@GreySage They must be quite good necromancers to raise that many undead

Practice makes perfect

convoliution

6:24 PM

@Yuuki Also—110 = "one hundred one", 101 = "one hundred zero one"

Zachiel

6:35 PM

Aaaaah, that moment when you have a +6/-11 answer and you still stand by it

Yuuki

@convoliution Actually, 110 would be 一百一十 or "one hundred one ten" and 101 would be 一百一 or "one hundred one".

convoliution

@Yuuki That's not the way I learned it growing up :) But to be fair, it could've also been a regional thing in Taiwan

Yuuki

Hmm, might be a Taiwanese thing yeah.

convoliution

Oh man if counting in Chinese varies by region, that must make commerce difficult haha

Yuuki

Apparently, Taiwanese has a word for 10^12 (兆) whereas mainland Chinese uses 万亿.

Also, it's so weird to use "word" to refer to Chinese.

ACuriousMind

6:50 PM

@convoliution The "varieties" or "dialects" of what is called "Chinese" as a catch-all term are sometimes as different from one another as e.g. the different Romance languages, yet the French and the Italians seem to have no issue doing commerce with each other ;P

Yuuki

@convoliution It helps that despite spoken differences, the written language is fairly unified.

GreySage

@Zachiel Just because other people don't agree, doesn't mean you're wrong

Yuuki

(Yes, I know Taiwan still uses Traditional script while mainland China has been moving to Simplified script)

convoliution

7:07 PM

@Yuuki Maybe the important question I should've asked first is if you're talking about Cantonese or Mandarin (or another Chinese language)

Yuuki

@convoliution Mandarin.

convoliution

@ACuriousMind I think what gets me is that spoken Taiwanese Mandarin and spoken Mainland Mandarin are almost completely mutually intelligible and identical, save for a handful of cultural/vocabulary gotchas that arose in the last few decades. If I travel from Taipei to Beijing and have a vendor tell me an item costs "one hundred one", I'd be absolutely shocked that it might be a different value than I expected.

But I wouldn't be surprised for French vs. Italian, since they've diverged enough...I guess?

On a similar note maybe, when I traveled to London once (from the U.S.), a resident asked me at a shop if I was "in queue" and my brain had to buffer for a while to translate it to "in line".

kviiri

@convoliution They aren't really mutually intelligible. The vocabulary is pretty similar, but then again, so is English <-> German. So one might recognize words here and there, but the pronunciation is all different

Yuuki

@convoliution Mainland Chinese occasionally use 一百零一 for 101 (I've definitely heard that before), but 一百一 is more common.

Or rather 一百一 is understood to mean 101 rather than 110.

convoliution

@kviiri I'm speaking from personal experience, but I'd assume you are as well (or at least from thorough research), so I'm not sure how to reconcile this haha

kviiri

7:17 PM

@convoliution I know a fair bit of French, and a much smaller bit of Italian, but of course my perspective might not reflect people who actually know either language natively

convoliution

7:27 PM

@kviiri Ah, maybe I wasn't clear—I meant that French and Italian are not mutually intelligible, but the divergence would be well-understood and expected by French and Italian merchants, so they could knowledgeably translate terms and concepts.

Whereas Taiwanese Mandarin and Mainland Mandarin are similar enough that I (as a layperson) would not have expected any difference in verbal counting systems, and would have probably been ripped off somehow at a night market.

kviiri

@convoliution Ah yes, I can accept that. That's probably the gist of how the Lingua Franca got started, after all.

@convoliution 'Tis the season (well, the day after) Shrove Tuesday, when people in Sweden enjoy a special kind of pastry called a semla --- a sweet bun filled with whipped cream and almond paste. Across the gulf of Bothnia, the Swedish-speaking Finns use the same word to refer to bread roll. Cue confusion

The Swedes even have an alignment chart for what constitutes a semla :D

goodguy5

so, a cream puff

Ender Look

8:44 PM

(D&D 5e) Monster Manual p.53, tile Orcus (Demon lord): "He surrounds himself with undead, and living creatures not under his control are anathema to him." What means that? I don't understand the part about anathema. I have understood anathema is when you are excommunicated and banished by a religious society, does he banished living creatures nor under his control? Or is just a fancy way to say he hates all living creatures not under his control.

Yuuki

@kviiri Ah, the sandwich alignment chart.

kviiri

@EnderLook It's often used figuratively to refer to something that's extensively disliked

Ender Look

Ohh, thanks

kviiri

Often to the extent that the "anathema" would, from the other guy's POV, be better off gone completely.

Yuuki

In this specific case, it means that Orcus has face-blindness and just calls all living creatures not under his control "Anathema".

Ender Look

8:51 PM

@kviiri Just to note, does POV means Point Of View?

kviiri

@EnderLook yea

Ender Look

Ok, thanks

Xirema

@Yuuki A̶̺͆̋͘ ̷̰̱̖͍̓̀̓͆ ̸̪̺͎͓̈̀͆P̷̺̬͉̫͌̇̏ ̸̉̾͊͜O̶̢̦̻̭̕ ̷̢̳͎̃̓P̵̦̟͎̽͊̉̚ ̷͎̖̦̀̽̏T̵͔̠̋́͘ ̸͔̝̏̀̀A̵̡͈̩͕͘ ̸̧͎̠̀͋̎́Ŗ̶̩̇̈́̈́̊ ̶̗̞̌T̴̳̅͆ ̸͇͎̳͖͋̎̓̕ ̵̹̰̇̔̑͝ͅI̴͇̫̘͛̃͒ ̶̡̬̺̓̄̽Ṣ̴̰̐ ̴̢̬͉̋͊̄ ̴̨͈̱̮͑̂̿̕Ä̴̢̛͚̲͚̋ ̷̮̣̥̐̒͊ ̴̛̞͔̥ͅS̶͚͓̞͈̆ ̷̡̲̫̻̈́̑̊A̴̱̮̭̲͋̍̽ ̴̯̖̾̊Ń̴͍̀ ̷̬̀͂̅͆D̴͓̝̞̆̀͜ ̸̞̟͕̤̈͌W̴̡̒̿̄̓ ̶̧̳̘̄̃͑́I̴̠̳̲͊̂̈ ̸̝͒̉C̵̠̪̆̃́̅ ̸͉̫̘̑͆̂H̸͉͍̚

GreySage

@Xirema The deep end of the (sandwich) alignment pool is a dark, mysterious place indeed.

Yuuki

@Xirema I'm incredible disappointed that the semlor chart doesn't include pop tarts.

Every other food chart I've seen uses pop tarts for one of the examples.

Like "A pop tart is a pizza" for example.

Xirema

9:02 PM

KorvinStarmast

9:20 PM

@goodguy5 just noticed last night that baby has arrived. Grats!!!

@EnderLook That's surely a strange word choice.

BESW

@Nyakouai Yeah, there's a lot of ways to count on oneself. But I need 95, specifically.

KorvinStarmast

@yuuki Has the pop tart replaced the twinkie in this regard, as a reference to 'not really food that people think is food' or is this something else?

BESW

KorvinStarmast

@GreySage When placed in a toaster on medium heat, it is a sweet and tasty place that goes nicely with a cup of coffee in the morning.

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