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12:00 AM
If we all know that in 30 years oil will be mostly value-less and wind/solar/hydrogen/whatever will be everywhere, we'll invest appropriately.
 
12:38 AM
@DanielSank It would be a better world.
 
1:19 AM
@DanielSank here’s an unconventional perspective: perimeterinstitute.ca/news/…. Mike Lazaridis provided seed money (the rumour is $50million) to fund the Perimeter Institute.
 
1:36 AM
Welp it arrived
This is gonna be fun...
 
 
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vzn
3:27 AM
@ZeroTheHero econophysics is much deeper than anyone realizes right now... it has very deep ties to statistical physics. suspect there will be (eg) a nobel prize in the area someday sooner or later.
 
@vzn I’m not an expert at all.
so you might be right...
 
vzn
@ZeroTheHero anyway its still a very young field only ~2 decades old at this pt. and a lot of already very substantial work that isnt widely recognized much. was gonna blog on it sometime... as for jobs though (was that the topic?) there probably arent a lot in it. it seems to be a lot of physicists "moonlighting" so to speak...
 
 
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5:44 AM
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Q: Constraints on the mass distribution within each body such that their mutual orbits are Keplerian?

uhohThe trajectories of two point masses with respect to their center of mass are conic sections or Kepler orbits. But what if the bodies have finite size with respect to their separation, and not necessarily uniform, or even spherically symmetric mass distributions? That though then led me to wond...

any suggestions if this question needs to be improved?
It seems straightforward and I think decades ago in mechanics class I could have answered this easily. Now I simply don't remember how to address this.
 
 
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Anonymous
6:52 AM
@SirCumference I've heard good things about it! (Never read it though.)
 
7:20 AM
Does Lyapunov time imply that Brownian motion is as unpredictable as a quantum beam splitter? Thinking about this in the context of random number generation from an information theory standpoint.
 
Anonymous
7:31 AM
I was thinking of designs for our chat room ad. Chemistry SE has a really nice one:
 
Anonymous
Something like that would be nice...except that we don't have any catchy phrases. :P
 
@forest Not quite, because Brownian motion is cumulative. In IT terms, if we have a function rand() that returns a uniform random float x, 0 <= x < 1, then the beam splitter is like if rand() <0.5 then left(); else right(). But 1D Brownian motion is like x=0; while True: x+=rand()-0.5
So while Brownian motion is certainly random, it exhibits strong auto-correlation.
 
@vzn Except that the invisible hand is not quite unchanging as what Laissez faire and neoliberalism thinks. Individuals being what made up the invisible hand, can shape it from within. That's what the ultrarich does
 
7:51 AM
@PM2Ring What if you only have access to the system in which the Brownian motion is occurring after a period of time? For example, if you get snapshots of the system every n seconds rather than continuously.
 
@Blue Eh, the reviews I've seen aren't too great :/ Mostly along the lines of "too many errors" or "too terse for self-studying; good professor is necessary"
 
Anonymous
@SirCumference Yeah, they do say it's terse (the focus is on rigor!). It might be better to start with Ted Shifrin's blue book instead.
 
I mean tbh all the material for the problem sets and exams are gonna be covered in the Spivak book, so I may not have much of a choice
 
Anonymous
@SirCumference I see. What math class are you taking BTW?
 
"Calculus on Manifolds"
 
Anonymous
8:01 AM
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A: Good introductory book on Calculus on Manifolds

Mathemagician1234What you're really asking for is a textbook giving a modern presentation of vector calculus/calculus of functions of several variables. Of necessity,there's going to be a lot of overlap between such textbooks and differential topology books. Indeed, I think eventually separate books on both subje...

 
Or maybe I'll take PDEs. Whichever works out better ¯_(ツ)_/¯
 
Anonymous
I had found this answer pretty helpful.
 
Anonymous
@SirCumference Ah, we never took that full course.
 
Anonymous
Blame it on the engineering syllabus!
 
@Blue You guys don't have a math major?
 
8:03 AM
@forest Then it will look more random, because you're effectively adding small increments of Brownian noise rather than pure white noise. Sorry I can't give a more quantitative answer, I haven't thought much about this topic for a decade or so, when I did lots of experiments with various kinds of noise to produce random image effects.
 
Anonymous
@SirCumference We don't have the dual major thing here.
 
Although I don't know of any other uni that has a course named Calc. on Manifolds. Looking it up on Wikipedia yields this
 
Anonymous
Engineering students only get some math classes i.e. as much as is required for engineering.
 
Anonymous
In the second semester, a lot of the focus was on Fourier analysis stuff...as that's essential for signal theory.
 
Anonymous
@SirCumference Well, it's basically some parts of analysis and some parts of differential geometry. Most unis jump to differential geometry directly. And they do analysis separately.
 
8:05 AM
@Blue Ah right. But you could probably do some as electives, no?
 
Anonymous
@SirCumference Electives start from the third year I think. There's one statistics and machine learning elective. But other than that, no other math-y electives as such.
 
Anonymous
Our electives are mostly "software engineering", "microwave engineering", "mobile communication", etc.
 
Anonymous
Oh, and there's an intro to Robotics thingy too. Probably some teeny-weeny new math in that.
 
@Blue Yeah, we have a separate diff geo course and separate analysis courses as well. Yet this class happens to be some weird blend. It's the only one that fits my schedule tho
 
Anonymous
@SirCumference Yep, it's a mixed intro type class. Would be helpful for the not-so-theoretical guys I guess. :P
 
Anonymous
8:10 AM
@SirCumference If you've already taken diff geo and analysis separately, why're you taking this class?
 
@Blue You never know, there might be some Inverse Kinematics.
 
Anonymous
I mean solving Spivak and writing proofs would be a good exercise in mathematical rigor. So maybe it will be useful. ;)
 
@Blue Oh, I only meant that they are offered (though conflict with some courses of mine). I haven't taken either :P
 
Morning
 
Anonymous
@PM2Ring Hah, looks cool! :D
 
8:13 AM
@Blue Wait, so you have to take specifically those electives?
 
Anonymous
@SirCumference Yeah, we have a set of 10-15 electives (options). We get to choose any 3-4 out of them.
 
@Blue Welp, doesn't feel that way :P I'm already spinning my head spending my break preparing. So far it's been trying to been a mess of different stuff. Basic topology, basic order theory, reviewing dual spaces, etc.
 
8:31 AM
@Blue Well, analysis and algebra are really the more fundamental math courses to take (at least that seems to be the philosophy of our math department), and they could be covered by 1-2 of the electives.
 
@SirCumference I just arrived!
 
frick im tired
 
Anonymous
@SirCumference We already had real analysis and linear algebra in the first year (at the undergrad level). :)
 
@Blue Wait ya got real analysis at first year? :O
For us it's 2-3 calc courses before you can take analysis (assuming you didn't take them all in high school)
 
Anonymous
@SirCumference Yeah, it's a condensed course. 6 months of real analysis and differential equations; and another 6 months of linear algebra and Fourier analysis.
 
Anonymous
8:35 AM
@SirCumference We had very thorough single-variable calculus courses in high school, so they didn't bother teaching those again.
 
Anonymous
They started with multivariable calculus and covered some parts of real analysis from John & Courant (Vol I & Vol II).
 
Anonymous
Definitely not Rudin level real analysis though (which the math majors take).
 
Anonymous
@SirCumference I see. They generally assume that we took them all in high school.
 
@Blue Man, my high school calc teacher didn't even know calc
 
Anonymous
Hah? American high schools are weird. :P
 
Anonymous
8:40 AM
The whole of 12 grade was mainly calculus for us. I became pretty good at solving weird integrals. Now I've forgotten most of it though. :P
 
@Blue lmao same. My first year at college was figuring out how to solve integrals a computer could do better than me
 
0
Q: Energy dissipation from a black hole by neutrinos

V. NayakCould the high gravitation field of a black hole cause neutrinos to form a Fermi gas or superfluid? Could these neutrinos from the neutrino background of the big bang whose temperature and deBroglie wavelength could cause neutrino wave functions to overlap form a Fermi gas or superfluid? Variou...

I am disappointed
For a moment I thought I would be able to use my knowledge of weird paper to answer
And cite that one paper about neutrino hawking radiation
 
8:57 AM
@Slereah Somehow, I don't think the Hawking neutrino flux would be sufficient to produce a Fermi gas... :D
 
@PM2Ring plus that paper proved that black holes can't radiate neutrinos
 
@Slereah Ok. I thought they might happen for really small BHs, ones that have already radiated away most of their mass (or the mythical primordial BHs).
 
Oh wait
I'm thinking of something else
The paper was that it didn't have a neutrino field
(this was when people thought the weak interaction was mediated by neutrinos)
 
Ah, ok.
 
though now the question is
Do classical black holes have a gluon field???
 
9:10 AM
A strange idea, since they're fermions. But back then, they thought neutrinos were massless, which is also weird for fermions. And let's face it, the huge masses of the W & Z bosons is pretty bizarre when you first encounter it, although it makes perfect sense in terms of the tiny range of the weak interaction.
 
oh yeah this was before the whole SU(2) gauge thing was popular
It was still the Fermi interaction
 
@Slereah No idea, although I expect they explode in a blaze of quark-gluon jets (plus all sorts of other stuff) in their final death throes.
 
the most alarming thing I've seen is that evaporated black holes may produce thunderbolts singularities
the kind that destroy the universe
Although that's using semiclassical approximations
 
I can confidently make that prediction in the knowledge that it'll be quite a while before any BHs actually start losing mass via Hawking radiation. ;)
 
Depends
there could be primordial black holes of smallish mass
 
9:16 AM
@Blue Hmm, coming up with a motto is surprisingly difficult.
Perhaps we need a mascot
 
@Slereah Who cares? All the stars will be long dead by then anyway. So it won't hurt anybody. It might even create something new & interesting.
 
Probably I'm not thinking straight at 4:17am
 
@PM2Ring Depends when the first black hole completely evaporates!
 
@Slereah Maybe, but so far there's zero evidence. But maybe they're too hard to find by us puny Earth-bound humans.
 
Although the benefit being that those singularities propagate at the speed of light
so we wouldn't notice the destruction of the universe
 
9:28 AM
Unlike in Greg Egan's novel Schild's Ladder, where false vacuum decay propagates at half lightspeed, so you can watch it messing up the known universe.
 
Half lightspeed is pretty sluggish for vacuum decay
 
True, but it's not unreasonable. And it makes for a decent story. IIRC, Egan avoids FTL in all his stories.
 
not in the orthogonal trilogy
But then again there's no speed limitation in that universe
 
Good point. I should have qualified my previous remark: there's no FTL in his stories set in universes with a Minkowski signature. :)
 
I don't think there's FTL in Dichronauts either
 
9:41 AM
I've read lots of Egan stuff, but I haven't yet gotten round to reading Orthogonal. Or Dichronauts, with a ++-- signature. But I've read the excerpts & some of the related physics material on his site.
 
10:02 AM
@SirCumference You might also want to try Federer's Geometric Measure Theory
 
@GodotMisogi Does that cover similar material?
 
@SirCumference the inverse function theorem proof in Spivak is pretty ugly
Think this
Is similar to it
 
@bolbteppa at some point this situation just needs to give me a break... ;-;
why is this textbook still used in classes
it's riddled with errors and bad explanations, from what i hear
 
I have no idea what's going on with Sard still
 
10:18 AM
oh @bolbteppa mind answering a basic topology question?
 
As long as it's very easy haha
 
shoot my dude
 
@Blue What kinda fancy math classes did you have, eh? The linear algebra I was taught in my first year was hackier than Hackerman hacking time
 
ok so my book says that a subset $E$ is dense in $X$ if every point in $X$ is a limit point of $E$, or a point in $E$. So by definition every set is dense in itself right, due to it satisfying the latter?
 
Anonymous
@GodotMisogi Our math teacher was very good. :)
 
Anonymous
10:20 AM
Linear algebra was mostly from Axler.
 
@SirCumference yes
 
So is this page using a different definition?
In mathematics, a subset A {\displaystyle A} of a topological space is said to be dense-in-itself if A {\displaystyle A} contains no isolated points. Every dense-in-itself closed set is perfect. Conversely, every perfect set is dense-in-itself. A simple example of a set which is dense-in-itself but not closed (and hence not a perfect set) is the subset of irrational numbers (considered as a subset of the real numbers). This set is dense-in-itself because every neighborhood of an irrational number ...
 
Hm
 
Right, the thinking behind dense sets is basically the rationals being used to define the real numbers as limits of sequences of rationals
 
Oh wait
i think I have a counterexample
 
10:24 AM
So you can get spooky sets from known sets
 
Trivial topology on a set
I don't think that set would be dense in itself
 
@bolbteppa i actually looked up "spooky set" to make sure you were kidding. after "clopen" i don't know what to expect anymore
 
In topology and related areas of mathematics, a subset A of a topological space X is called dense (in X) if every point x in X either belongs to A or is a limit point of A; that is, the closure of A is constituting the whole set X. Informally, for every point in X, the point is either in A or arbitrarily "close" to a member of A — for instance, the rational numbers are a dense subset of the real numbers because every real number either is a rational number or has a rational number arbitrarily close to it (see Diophantine approximation). Formally, a subset A of a topological space X is dense in...
"A subset without isolated points is said to be dense-in-itself"
 
@Slereah Well for the trivial topology we'd still have the latter condition satisfied right?
 
@bolbteppa Equivalently, every neighborhood of a point contains other points of the set
 
10:28 AM
oye it's 5:30am i need to put this book down
 
@SirCumference You don't know what you need. Keep reading
 
General topology is a just big game to define approximations with abstract sets
 
@bolbteppa yeah but it's somewhat neat. just the terminology is pretty confusing/unclear. maybe i just need to think about them more tho
 
@SirCumference Don't go too deep in topology
it gets so much worse
 
10:31 AM
I still have plans to write up things like Tychonoff's theorem or Urysohn's lemma :\
 
Well, homotopy groups are nice
 
Homotopy groups aren't point set topology tho
 
I can never understand what lies in what in mathematics
 
@Slereah honestly i started with Rudin but found his definitions regarding metric induced topologies more confusing than ones i found for general topologies
 
Probably why I recommended Federer's Geometric Measure Theory for a Calculus on Manifolds course
 
10:33 AM
 
i just want to be prepared enough for spivak tho
now i'm in the math rabbit hole
 
@Slereah I don't see Hopf algebras anywhere here, but that's probably enclosed in Topological QFT
 
IIRC that Geometric Measure Theory book doesn't look anything like a calculus book
 
@bolbteppa I was just playing a little prank, given the reviews I've read of the book
 
haha
Real analysis is below BRST cohomology in that list!
Axiomatic qft near the beginning, smh
 
10:37 AM
I don't think it's in order
 
10:59 AM
ugh
i guess there's no pleasant way of quickly seeing whether a set is a topology
 
@SirCumference Maybe not at 0600 after reading all night
 
11:22 AM
Christmas still coming
 
what does it really mean to be not a topology. What does failure to obey arbitrary union of open set is in the topology mean
does it mean the limit is undefined or something
 
It means you can't define a notion of approximation using that collection of subsets
i.e. you can't consistently set up the concept of a limit using those subsets etc
 
I see
 
You could find some other collection of subsets to do it, just not that collection
 
12:11 PM
Welp it's already sunny out...
 
1:08 PM
hey guys
so i wanted to ask this yesterday bit since the chat topic was different, I decided to ask today
what do you guys think are the chances of humanity reaching other stars withing the next 70-80 years
because thats pretty much my dream/goal
and sometimes, I feel kinda insecure about the near impossibility of my dream..
wheres john today? lol
 
Accounting for the nuclear war
I would say 200-300 years
 
if the war didn't happen?
 
I do not know
Baba Vanga has foretold only so much
 
@MartianCactus You look at the Uranium One deal and Manafort isn't even close to Trump and Papadapalous who? and just look at how unfairly the press is treating this administration and there is no Russia investigation of President Trump; we're looking at an historic overhaul of the tax system that puts more money in the pockets of the middle class bla bla bla bla..
 
1:18 PM
We don't really have any good reason or technology to reach nearby stars
it's unlikely to change in the near future
 
You'll be able to got to Mars
 
but not other stars huh..
well, I sure hope we do! Because im not changing my dream.
 
well you'd better eat healthy because it's not happening for a few centuries I think
there's a Thing where if a space mission takes more than 40 years, it's not worth doing
because 40 years after that, you can probably make a better engine that would arrive before that one
 
hmm...
yeah
well, what are the chances we could prolong out lives in the next 70-80 years by a couple of centuries?
this is sounding like science fiction..
 
Probably better really
 
1:27 PM
yeah..probably
well, I will still work towards my goal
 
are you training to jump higher
 
at least it could benefit future gens
nah
 
to get closer to the stars
 
but the thing is
I get distracted too much :(
 
There's no value to what comes easily and getting what one values isn't easy
 
1:29 PM
yeah
well, what do you guys think i read the book "Surely you are joking Mr. Feynman"
it seems like a good book and I have it, just gotta start
 
@MartianCactus So your telling me we’d be able to get something to another freaking star by around 2056....but yet we haven’t even gotten people ( I know we wouldn’t send people to Proxima Centauri just droids ) but haven’t even gotten people to mars yet when yet mars is like....a lot closer to earth than Proxima Centauri b is......so droid or robots or whatever those things are called can literally fly that much further than humans can go to
 
it's a fun book
having a ship going to another star in a reasonable amount of time would be a ridiculously expensive project
Due to the scaling of the rocket equation
 
hmm..yeah droids seem like a good idea
u know taht lazer sail project to get to alpha centuri
20% speed of light
 
@MartianCactus What's distracting you?
 
idk, internet?
 
1:33 PM
Laser sails are not that great either
 
and some things taha distract teens ;-;
 
It requires a fair amount of power over a long period of time
 
fairly expensive as well
not a good power to thrust ratio
 
i know its expensive
but we should do it
 
1:34 PM
@MartianCactus your age?
 
well, what do you guys suggest i do to make most progress in the field of space exploration in my life?
starting now, as a 17 year old
 
@MartianCactus keep your motivation high till you reach 2o , anything may happen between these years.(17-20)
 
yeah..
and academically?
i am about to get out of high school
 
forget it
 
1:37 PM
I'd say go for the Daedalus option
Steal a bunch of nuclear warheads
 
No one gives a shit about academics. keep going...
 
keep going where?
 
@Slereah lol
 
i cant just go into the field of space exploration if i dont know anything about space
what should i take? Engineering or physics?
or anythign else
 
physics i believe ...
 
1:39 PM
and why?
 
you,are 17 and i 'm 15 let's fly
 
ur 15? wth
oh well
anyone else?
 
if you join engineering , again you gotta focus on academics
 
1:57 PM
i gotta focus on academics if i join physics too?
 
Anonymous
Oops, I mistook you for someone else. :)
 
Anonymous
@AvnishKabaj Lol. Baba Vanga?
 
Anonymous
@MartianCactus Why exactly is reaching other stars your life goal? :P
 
@Blue She predicted that the 44th president would be black
And a couple of other things
According to her the president after Trump will be a Messiah of sorts and the states will go into decline after that
 
Anonymous
@AvnishKabaj Who's better: Baba Vanga or Paul the Octopus?
 
2:09 PM
Baba Vanga
 
Anonymous
Damn.
 
Paul was in 2012
 
@AvnishKabaj Not hard to predict
the second part at least
 
hey guys
can you tell me what i should study after school to go into the field of space exploration?
 
Aerospace engineering
 
2:10 PM
that isn't really available in india
not in any good colleges anyway..
 
Anonymous
@MartianCactus It is. IIST.
 
second best option?
 
@Slereah She's been dead since 1996
 
@AvnishKabaj The Simpsons also predicted the Trump presidency
 
Simpsons are an irrefutable source of prophecies
 
Simpsons> baba vanga > Paul the octopus
 
@Blue yeah thats reallyyyy far away from home
 
She predicted 9/11
Godamn
 
after aerospace engineering next best option?
 
Makes you wonder
Donald Trump will become ill in 2019
According to one of Baba Vanga’s prophecies, the 45th President of the United States will succumb to an unknown disease at some point in the near future.

The ailment will leave President Trump with hearing loss, tinnitus and brain trauma.
 
2:14 PM
Looks like brain trauma already happened
BOOM
Total hack joke
 
O ye of little faith
Mark her words
For they art the truth
 
@Blue
 
2:53 PM
@MartianCactus if you,are iitain , then there are lot many opportunites
@MartianCactus try to crack IIT (JEE) then you can get to any college you want even in other coutries with really less fee . i have got indian friend in my school he told me this
 
user351417
3:53 PM
Anyone thinks this one's a duplicate?
 
user351417
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Q: Can we divide a vector by another vector?

π times eMy physics teacher told us that we can’t divide vectors, that vector division has no physical meaning or significance. How about this : a = vdv/dx It says acceleration vector equals velocity (as a function of x) times dv ‘divided’ by dx. Here both dv and dx are vectors. How do I make sense of ...

 
user351417
I have a link to something with the exact same title in the comments there, but I'm wondering if the descriptions are a differentiating factor.
 
4:13 PM
@DiculSmerd okay
 
@DiculSmerd "lucid dreams" backwards (missing an a) ?
 
Question: does Physics Overflow defend itself effectively against spam? Answer: well, this has been around for three months.
(screenshot, in case they get their act together and clean it up.)
 
4:37 PM
I do love me some well-constructed conference spam
 
Would you rather get the fluffy variety of such emails?
*Diving into the details of your Research Interest on [my current work] and going through your Contribution reveals an impressive image of the genuine efforts made by Professor's to cater to the needs of the customers which best fits my nature of Performing Research at Scale.[My University] is a leading Giant in the global Research market...*
 
@ZeroTheHero I get some of those too
 
weez
 
@JohnRennie ohhhhh shit
 
@EmilioPisanty I never quite know if they are funny or sad.
 
4:44 PM
I'm particularly intrigued by the ones that mention a specific paper I've authored (to then go on to invite me to a conference on something completely different), and why those specific papers get selected and not others that I've penned
 
@EmilioPisanty These spam emails are a real annoyance.
 
@DiculSmerd it was a missing "a" then :-)
Oh well.
 
like, if you look at my publications list, I really doubt that you'll be able to pick out the one that gets cited the most in the spam emails
 
@JohnRennie you got me ,i'm felling bad right now
@JohnRennie i did it purposly
@JohnRennie i did not wanted it to be exposed , how the hell did you get that
 
@DiculSmerd when I see some apparently meaningless text one of the first things I do is spell it backwards just too if it is backwards text.
 
Anonymous
4:53 PM
@DiculSmerd You're not the first to write you name backwards. Yet, I almost mistook you for someone else (diobuceulb). :)
 
Anonymous
(Your previous profile name is clearly visible in your recent tab.)
 
whats a drem
signed my offer letter yesterday, so I guess now it's official :D
 
Anonymous
 
only the results of the background check left...I got no records or nothing tho so that should be ez
 
Anonymous
@enumaris Hah, nice. Which place is this?
 
4:58 PM
a word in serbo-croatian?
@Blue same company as ACM lol
 
Anonymous
SAP?
 
Anonymous
Noice!
 
yep
 
Anonymous
What's the job? Data science?
 
Senior Data Scientist baby :D
 
Anonymous
4:59 PM
@enumaris Yaaay! Cool stuff. :)
 
I get to have direct reports, that's gonna be a first...
 
Anonymous
So finally you're getting rid of the awful company that doesn't allow you to view images while in office. :P
 
lol
 
yeeah kartik is my school mate , believe me i'm the new guy
 
Anonymous
@DiculSmerd You two share an SE account? :P
 
5:02 PM
hmm , we both live in NA
 
Anonymous
Kk. ;)
 
@Blue what?
@Blue lemme understand you he used to talk shit right . honestly my name is dicule :P
damm you all , i'm feelin baad right now donno why?
 
@enumaris Nice! Lemme know in case you're in Walldorf and have some time to kill ;)
 
5:18 PM
@ACuriousMind haha will do :D
never know, maybe they will want to make me an exec in a few years and I'll have to spend time in Walldorf... :P
 
@Blue i joined on WED 5.06 pm (you can feel the sudden change in attitude :P)
 
5:58 PM
> You should use StringBuffer only when multiple threads are modifying it’s contents.
@Blue Can you please tell what this statement on the last line of this page means ^ ?
 
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